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More4 +1 and Gold +1

  • 26-11-2009 5:17pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 471 ✭✭


    have just been moved down to 152 and 153 on the EPG respectively. They have just freed up 119 and 121. I wonder what for.:confused:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 248 ✭✭Cupart


    Bodan wrote: »
    have just been moved down to 152 and 153 on the EPG repetitively. They have just freed up 119 and 121. I wonder what for.:confused:

    Notised myself.

    So, not all timeshift channels were moved, but only More4+1 and G.O.L.D.+1... How that makes sense will be a mystery, but I guess they must have an Einstein working in the channel listings department looking into it as we write :rolleyes:

    Oh, maybe getting us Smile+1 and/or Buzz+1 :eek:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,858 ✭✭✭paulm17781


    Great, now I have to notice Smile / Buzz TV exist before finding things I might actually watch... :rolleyes:

    Hopefully they're freeing up space for some real channels.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭Ranicand


    Ok just picking at straws so I won't get my hopes up.

    Two time shift channels moved up the guide.

    The space next to Gold would be perfect for Watch?

    The Space next to More 4 would be perfect for Channel Four HD?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,924 ✭✭✭✭BuffyBot


    Or the rest of the CBS (former Zone) channels?

    I always wondered why they all weren't on UPC, considering they share a parent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    BuffyBot wrote: »
    Or the rest of the CBS (former Zone) channels?

    I always wondered why they all weren't on UPC, considering they share a parent.

    Shows you how much you watch the other Digital channels when you don't notice that their names have changed. CBS sounds good pity Zone is/was never very good.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,769 ✭✭✭Infoanon


    paulm17781 wrote: »
    Great, now I have to notice Smile / Buzz TV exist before finding things I might actually watch... :rolleyes:

    Hopefully they're freeing up space for some real channels.

    Would not be beyond UPC to place the junk that is Buzz&Smile into those slots.
    Once again UPC shows its utter comtempt for its subscribers by shuffling the EPG without any notice.

    Bravo continues to be in the 500's wonder will that move...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 591 ✭✭✭Rosser


    Infoanon wrote: »
    Once again UPC shows its utter comtempt for its subscribers by shuffling the EPG without any notice.

    "utter contempt"? That's a bitt ott don't you think?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,769 ✭✭✭Infoanon


    Rosser wrote: »
    "utter contempt"? That's a bitt ott don't you think?

    Well what would you call its customer service ,its treatment of subscribers during the Setanta debacle ,dropping of Nicam, BBC2 reception on the southside, channels dropping ,epg faults etc etc


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,858 ✭✭✭paulm17781


    Rosser wrote: »
    "utter contempt"? That's a bitt ott don't you think?

    Not considering their customer service record...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 248 ✭✭Cupart


    I would love to see UK Food or the Food Network popping up :-)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3 cluggo


    Have picked up ITV 4 all of a sudden on a 2nd 411 (the other has horse racing), any idea what's going on?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 248 ✭✭Cupart


    Could imagine well see on Tuesday Dec 1st why UPC moved the two time shifters to a different position to free up some space higher up on the EPG...

    Contrary to SKY I couldn't imagine the UPC EPG is very valuable so they (UPC) can shuffle around as they please(?)...

    Cheerio


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Cupart wrote: »
    Could imagine well see on Tuesday Dec 1st why UPC moved the two time shifters to a different position to free up some space higher up on the EPG...

    Contrary to SKY I couldn't imagine the UPC EPG is very valuable so they (UPC) can shuffle around as they please(?)...

    Cheerio

    And why Dec 1st? UPC's EPG should be as valuable as Sky Ireland's EPG. ????


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,031 ✭✭✭patrickmooney


    Well nothing added today. It's all very strange. Having the +1 channels grouped together made sense for me. It's one of the reason I dislikes the Sky EPG so much, it's all over the place. Not saying the UPC one is perfect (far from). Wonder how long we will have to wait to make sense of this move?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 248 ✭✭Cupart


    Elmo wrote: »
    UPC's EPG should be as valuable as Sky Ireland's EPG. ????

    Erh, Sky has 9+ million subscribers and UPC in Ireland has 328,000 digital subscribers. A huge percentage of the channels on the Irish UPC EPG carry UK only adverts - non Irish, so basically worth nothing to the revenue pool geographically segmented so I see your point :rolleyes: You think the EPG is made up what ever way Sky finds it fit?

    Guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens with new channels joining the EPG. My guess was Dec 1st, Tuesdays (and Thursday) are usual the day that new channels are launched (at least on SKY) so maybe same for UPC. I don't know...

    patrickmooney, I actually like having the time shift channels right next to the actual mother channel. Yes, the SKY EPG is a bit of a mess, but this is because EPG placement is like a commodity. Some are very expensive I'm made believe :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Cupart wrote: »
    Erh, Sky has 9+ million subscribers and UPC in Ireland has 328,000 digital subscribers. A huge percentage of the channels on the Irish UPC EPG carry UK only adverts - non Irish, so basically worth nothing to the revenue pool geographically segmented so I see your point :rolleyes: You think the EPG is made up what ever way Sky finds it fit?

    No I was talking about the fact that the Sky EPG in Ireland is different to that of the +8million UK EPGs. And sky have specifically designed an EPG for the Irish audience which excludes (unless you mess around) many of the UK's PBS channels.

    The following channels carry Irish adverts on both Sky and UPCs EPGs

    Channel 4
    E4
    E4+1
    Nick
    Nick Jr
    3e
    Setanta Sports 1
    Sky 1
    Sky News
    Setanta Ireland
    Living
    Living +1
    Comedy Central
    Comedy Central +1
    MTV
    Discovery

    Not the majority at all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,769 ✭✭✭Infoanon


    Elmo wrote: »
    The following channels carry Irish adverts on both Sky and UPCs EPGs
    .

    Add E! to that list - from December'09
    G.O.L.D are/where also due to add Irish adverts

    Are you sure about E4+1 & Living+1 ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Infoanon wrote: »
    Add E! to that list - from December'09
    G.O.L.D are/where also due to add Irish adverts

    Are you sure about E4+1 & Living+1 ?

    **** Irish TV is dead in the water.

    If E! are going to be showing ads from Dec '09, I hazard a guess that it may be soon appearing between More 4 and Gold. :(

    Living +1 no they don't, don't know why I put them in that list. I know that TAM Ireland release viewing figures for the +1s so I just assume that the sell advertising.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Delta2113


    +1 channel's dont carry Irish adverts. It's nice to watch the u.k. ad's for a change and not the same Meteor ad yet again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Delta2113 wrote: »
    +1 channel's dont carry Irish adverts. It's nice to watch the u.k. ad's for a change and not the same Meteor ad yet again.

    Thanks. It is about 15 channels that are UK based currently selling Irish Advertising.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 567 ✭✭✭sdevine89


    1st of Dec has been and gone and positions still empty, any ideas now?

    unrelated point, anyone know how long it takes from when new wires go up outside to the services actually being available??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Delta2113


    They could do worse than add on RTE News Now. Probably be E +1, +2 knowing our luck. Maybe smile2 anyone?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Delta2113 wrote: »
    They could do worse than add on RTE News Now. Probably be E +1, +2 knowing our luck. Maybe smile2 anyone?

    Bravo and E!

    perhaps they are adding ITV or UKTV channels.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 567 ✭✭✭sdevine89


    Why move them if they werent going to add anything for so long, giving us false hope!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,769 ✭✭✭Infoanon


    sdevine89 wrote: »
    Why move them if they werent going to add anything for so long, giving us false hope!

    Its UPC ! they had LFC TV on black screen for 2+ months with their sales reps saying it was part of the Setanta pack....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 248 ✭✭Cupart


    Some one had picked up ITV2 and ITV3 on a stream but don't know if this is going to be the channels offered.

    Besides, ITV2 and ITV3 are not that interesting and what a surprise that UPC brings on channels that are FTA on Sat, which we pay for on cable through our subscription...

    I'm giving up on UPC!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 174 ✭✭surf board


    can anyone confirm any of the new channels & if they are definitely going to be added? i think they should add more hd channels in order to try push their hd service. why not add ch4 hd, fx hd, mtvn hd, living hd etc to their hd channel listing, adding some more to the basic line up?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    surf board wrote: »
    can anyone confirm any of the new channels & if they are definitely going to be added? i think they should add more hd channels in order to try push their hd service. why not add ch4 hd, fx hd, mtvn hd, living hd etc to their hd channel listing, adding some more to the basic line up?

    Living HD?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 248 ✭✭Cupart


    surf board wrote: »
    i think they should add more hd channels in order to try push their hd service. why not add ch4 hd, fx hd, mtvn hd, living hd etc to their hd channel listing, adding some more to the basic line up?

    Why should they when there is not even a 100% coverage of HD in Dublin as per todays date?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 174 ✭✭surf board


    I raised that point in a previous post. But will they actually make it available to most next year like they say? If they do, then why not add more channels?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,359 ✭✭✭dunworth1


    Cupart wrote: »
    Why should they when there is not even a 100% coverage of HD in Dublin as per todays date?

    theres more than just dublin in the country


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 500 ✭✭✭who is this


    Cupart wrote: »
    Why should they when there is not even a 100% coverage of HD in Dublin as per todays date?

    Oh yeah, and you know Vodafone, Meteor, O2 and 3 don't 100% national coverage, so why bother introducing new services?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 248 ✭✭Cupart


    dunworth1 wrote: »
    theres more than just dublin in the country

    And you don't think demographics had anything to do with my comment :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 248 ✭✭Cupart


    Oh yeah, and you know Vodafone, Meteor, O2 and 3 don't 100% national coverage, so why bother introducing new services?

    See my comment in post #34

    I believe that the Mobile Service Providers you mention above have a full 3G coverage in high density areas such as Dublin but not out in the sticks so how does that fit in with not having a 100% UPC service in Dublin?

    Your argument is divergent :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 500 ✭✭✭who is this


    Because it uses the lack of complete overall coverage as an analogy to not having complete Dublin coverage. I know they SHOULD have complete coverage, but they don't.

    And if, while they're still working on that, they're able to introduce new services, why shouldn't they? If they can, there's no point in not doing it.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 248 ✭✭Cupart


    I just find it odd that UPC seems to have a half finished or even half thought through product before they start releasing new products to a small part of the network.

    When you get out of the larger demographics, yes I can understand that there might not be a revenue sense in offering certain products (i.e. cost will be higher that the revenue gathered) so fine. But when you live in the middle of the city centre in a highly populated area and can't even get basic BB from UPC and/or HD then there is something wrong.

    Most if not all of these services are available in the newer satellite towns (like the outskirts of Dub 15) because UPC is afraid that many potential customers would turn to a sat dish pointing towards 28.2E and therefore they would loose rev. This leaves the rest of us behind :( Why, because many places in the cities you can't just put up a dish and UPC knows this!

    Too bad we don't have any other choices as UPC is running a monopoly :(

    Still I would love to see Sky Arts and either Good Food or The Food Network on the opening EPG slots...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    In 1985 the newly formed cablelink (now UPC's NTL market) would not launch satellite channels until they were able to do it fully.

    Now like Cablelink UPC could just decide not to role out products as they don't have 100% coverage. Instead they upgrade their network in patches and launch products in certain areas when upgrades are finished.
    Too bad we don't have any other choices as UPC is running a monopoly

    Still I would love to see Sky Arts and either Good Food or The Food Network on the opening EPG slots...

    Free Sat, Free Analogue, Free Digital (in some areas), Sky and a few smaller companies.

    I don't really know how 2 cable companies could provide competition. Remember prior to 1985 their were a number of companies providing cable but they were all in different areas, in effect they had monopolies in their area. Even prior to the merger of Chorus and NTL neither competed with each other.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 248 ✭✭Cupart


    Hi Elmo,
    Elmo wrote: »
    Free Sat, Free Analogue, Free Digital (in some areas), Sky and a few smaller companies.

    So how exactly does any of these providers help me, living in a densely populated area? I can only get piped TV as putting up a dish is not an option?

    Free Digital? Do you mean the massive choice of DTT which includes the 4 national channels and a channel showing print-boards being produced without sound?

    I'm unfortunately stuck with UPC :(

    Cheerio :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 174 ✭✭surf board


    I'm also stuck with UPC (in an apt). There is the option of Magnet, but I think they are worse than UPC. UPC also have decent broadband bundled into our package & theres no HD with Magnet. Mind you, the rest of us could be waiting a while for HD from UPC ourselves :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,007 ✭✭✭Moriarty


    Patchy city centre coverage is probably explained by civils works involved in upgrading the cable network being far more protracted, complicated and costly in the city centre compared to the suburbs.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 248 ✭✭Cupart


    Moriarty wrote: »
    Patchy city centre coverage is probably explained by civils works involved in upgrading the cable network being far more protracted, complicated and costly in the city centre compared to the suburbs.

    I think you have a very good point there Moriaty, but one would think that the city centres of larger communities would have the "pipes" to lay cables ready. I live just off mount street and there is a good mix of office buildings and residential areas so one would think all was ready for UPC, but no :(

    Don't know what the rev man looks like at UPC, and somehow it doesn't seem like they (i.e. UPC )know themselves :(

    Way off topic again...

    Anyway, I'm wondering what the point of UPC moving the timeshifters weeks (or even months) in advance and not even giving a reason for it? To me it makes sense to have the time shift slots right next to the main channel, but I know others thinks different...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Cupart wrote: »
    So how exactly does any of these providers help me, living in a densely populated area? I can only get piped TV as putting up a dish is not an option?

    Free Digital? Do you mean the massive choice of DTT which includes the 4 national channels and a channel showing print-boards being produced without sound?

    You don't need pay TV, you can reluctantly go with the 4 free to air channels or 4 and half including RTÉ News Now :)

    You seem to think everyone lives in apartments in Dublin, they don't.

    As I said even before the merger of all of the cable companies around Dublin, each had a monopoly in their specific areas.

    For Example
    In Waterford city UPC have a monopoly in cable while in Dungarvan Casey Cable have a monopoly in cable. If UPC bought Casey it would make no real difference to Casey customers or UPC customers. However casey customers would be bitterly disappointed especially with customer care, I am guessing that Casey is a small business with good quality friendly customer care, I could be wrong.

    Anyway, I'm wondering what the point of UPC moving the timeshifters weeks (or even months) in advance and not even giving a reason for it? To me it makes sense to have the time shift slots right next to the main channel, but I know others thinks different...

    Yeah I see the reason for the time shifts beside each other. Really the BAI should have an EPG policy for cable providers. As pointed out Bravo and E! are in the 500s and Smile and Buzz are in the 100s. (It really should be the other way around).

    I would rather the BAI forced UPC to have DCTV in the 100s and Smile and Buzz in the 800s.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,359 ✭✭✭dunworth1


    just noticed this on the upc site
    More 4+1 and G.O.L.D+1 channel numbers
    From 26 November More 4+1 will move from channel 119 to 152 and G.O.L.D+1 will more from channel 121 to 153. There will be no impact on your recordings and there is no need to retune your box.

    http://service.upc.ie/service/?cid=124&aid=206


    sadly it dosent say why.

    i wonder if this was on the website before the change


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,769 ✭✭✭Infoanon


    dunworth1 wrote: »
    i wonder if this was on the website before the change

    Nope - it appeared about a week later - probably after numerous phone calls from irate customers.

    As for an explanation - how can you explain taking away about the only advantage UPC had over sky ie the +1 where adjacent to the standard channel, why 152/153 makes no sense especially when you consider the junk on 131 & 132....

    Apparently there are monthly internal meetings to review the EPG.....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,858 ✭✭✭paulm17781


    Infoanon wrote: »
    Apparently there are monthly internal meetings to review the EPG.....

    Who do we contact to make our feelings known?


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