ptc integrated

MightyDucks

I was contacted recently by someone from PTC and was told they did have an integrated course. I was wondering if this course is the same that oxford are offering?

donkey balls

MightyDucks wrote: »

I was contacted recently by someone from PTC and was told they did have an integrated course. I was wondering if this course is the same that oxford are offering?

its modular dressed as intergrated they also do a degree in airline mgmt for an extra 30k bringing your total training bill to 130k.(why pay 30k for a degree when you can get one of the irish govt for nothing)
anyway you should never put all your eggs in the one basket you need a backup plan/skill if the piloting does not work out.
go on to pprne and do a search on PTC there is + - about them as diver myself&yaeger have said its cheaper to go modular there is no rush.
about four airlines went bust within the last year these guys&gals would have thousand of hours expereince on type which means they would more than likely get a job before someone with around 250hrs coming out of a flight school.
ask PTC how many people did they place in airlines over the last few months?

mighty ducks would you mind telling us how old you are? the reason being if your around 20ish you have loads of time to train dont rush into things

MightyDucks

donkey balls wrote: »

its modular dressed as intergrated they also do a degree in airline mgmt for an extra 30k bringing your total training bill to 130k.(why pay 30k for a degree when you can get one of the irish govt for nothing)
anyway you should never put all your eggs in the one basket you need a backup plan/skill if the piloting does not work out.
go on to pprne and do a search on PTC there is + - about them as diver myself&yaeger have said its cheaper to go modular there is no rush.
about four airlines went bust within the last year these guys&gals would have thousand of hours expereince on type which means they would more than likely get a job before someone with around 250hrs coming out of a flight school.
ask PTC how many people did they place in airlines over the last few months?

mighty ducks would you mind telling us how old you are? the reason being if your around 20ish you have loads of time to train dont rush into things

I'm 22.i aint rushing it i just want to be prepared and no which course and college i want to atten.i wont be starting training (if i can) until mid next year beccause i want to finish my apprenticship so i'm just planning ahead. i only asked because PTC rang me today and i asked if they do integrated course and she said they do.she also said that doing an integrated course would work out cheaper in the long run.i no that she is prob just selling me **** thats why im asking the questions.

donkey balls

finish your aprenticeship
next question how would the course be cheaper in the long run e.g pay PTC 100K to train intergrated(even though its modular)
or train at your own expense modular and do it for 65k while still working
thats a saving of 35k do the maths yourself also i think yeager/diver pionted out that by going intergrated you will end up having less hours than someone who goes modular.

and all of there training bar the IR is done in the USA i reckon on average there making about 50k profit per student.
also before you go and spend money on flight training get your class 1 medical done first

diverdriver

PTC at it again. You are being lied to. It's not an integrated course, even their own course breakdown makes that clear. It's a full time modular course. There are very specific requirements for a course to be called integrated. The most obvious is the lack of a PPL. Note their breakdown on the website, PPL followed by ground school. On an integrated course, it's ground school followed by exams followed by flight training, no PPL. Also integrated courses have reduced hours.

Why would anyone want to go to a flying school that tells a lie as blatant as that before you even go to them? Not everyone has the sense you have to research it thoroughly and one or two have been stung. For one thing, BA and Aer Lingus, know it's not an integrated course and are not fooled but if a potential candidate turned up at an inteview and said as much. They'd have been quietly shown the door. But they do, I remember a PTC student insisting it was an integrated course he was on. Nothing would talk him out of it.

Cessna_Pilot

Word on the street is that PTC recently got approval from the IAA to sell an integrated course. I still wouldn't go near it though, at €80000 euros plus the rest it's still seriously overpriced.

donkey balls

my mate met this lad who had just finished with PTC both of them have the same licence fATPL the PTC one cost 100k my mates 60k.
anyway the lad told him that once you hand over the 100k they have you by the short&curlies the lad wanted to take a week off training there was a family wedding he needed to attend.
the CFI told him he could have the week off if he was on good behaviour WTF your the customer and there treating you like a child.
i think i mentioned it on another post about there morketing/sales people wearing epilates feeding you bull and at the end of day Mighty Ducks pilots have to think for them selves& make decisions based on the info they have.

MightyDucks

donkey balls wrote: »

finish your aprenticeship
next question how would the course be cheaper in the long run e.g pay PTC 100K to train intergrated(even though its modular)
or train at your own expense modular and do it for 65k while still working
thats a saving of 35k do the maths yourself also i think yeager/diver pionted out that by going intergrated you will end up having less hours than someone who goes modular.

and all of there training bar the IR is done in the USA i reckon on average there making about 50k profit per student.
also before you go and spend money on flight training get your class 1 medical done first

The "integrated" course is 79000 or something near that so i was i told. The thing is i would rather do an integrated course because then i could concetrate on it for the 14 months and not have any distractions.Not with ptc now though.

diverdriver

There are plenty of full time modular courses too. If you have the discipline you can do it all full time yourself. I know someone who starting learning to fly in Ireland last year in September. He got his PPL in January. Yes right through the winter. What did he do? Just booked every single day and turned up every single day. His biggest delay was the PPL exams.

yaeger

So why wouldnt you concentrate as hard on a modular and finish it within the same time frame ????

Just to add, you can go to an FTO in the UK/US and do the modules back to back, you will be living on the field so in essense your full time.
Sure no doubt you know all this already and would prefer to throw thousands more at intergrated.
I am probably going get slated for pushing the modular over the intergrated, but there is a few people on here who are advising you ! those that have been through the system and those that think they know the system, take it onboard but dont make a decision before you have even visited these places instead of taking some sales pitch.

More so now the Intergrated V modular debate carries less as the only airlines that seemed to give a **** were maybe BA/lingus and one or two others. Now they just want qualified cheap labour to balance their books, when off course they decide to recruit.

You can forget lingus for a long time to come and BA's hold pool is in the hundreds of already type rated guys, Aer Lingus last intake took very very few cadet pilots, and some were booted despite having fantastic/expensive schools on their CV. The likes of Flybe and easy ran schemes with CTC/PTC but again you were selected from the start so really coming on the market as a free agent from intergrated course will leave you the guts of 30k less in pocket and a dazzled in headlights look on your face.

Just cast your mind to that day when you walk out the gates of the flight school with your license, and now to tackle the market. Intergrated MAY carry some weight, but that MAY cost you a fortune, As a free agent you need to be cash rich and able to get an FIC or fly some hours or keep your IR current or pay towards your jet rating, you will sacrifice that priviledge if you throw your money at intergrated, unless of course your loaded in which case, dont worry you will just a buy a job no doubt.

donkey balls

yaeger wrote: »

So why wouldnt you concentrate as hard on a modular and finish it within the same time frame ????

the problem with these integrated schools and ones that say they are is the time frame they use of 14 months is bull what if you have bad weather resit part of the ATPL or get a partial in the CPL.

mighty ducks get your class 1 medical done first.
The lad i was living with in America while training has since finished(he has a fATPL)it took him 18 months and that was modular including two exam resits having crap weather from the start of his ppl/ cpl meir.
he went to oxford just to do the ATPL full time.

MightyDucks

donkey balls wrote: »

the problem with these integrated schools and ones that say they are is the time frame they use of 14 months is bull what if you have bad weather resit part of the ATPL or get a partial in the CPL.

mighty ducks get your class 1 medical done first.
The lad i was living with in America while training has since finished(he has a fATPL)it took him 18 months and that was modular including two exam resits having crap weather from the start of his ppl/ cpl meir.
he went to oxford just to do the ATPL full time.

I do intend on getting my medical done before i hand over any money.I'm not saying that i'd rather do integrated. on first inspection it looks to be the better option for me. as for been loaded thats def not the case. As it stands i would like to train with oxford because from my research they do seem to have the best instructors and good facilities and having got a crap leaving cert, throught lazyness and no studying, i think i could do with having good instructors.As for doing modular or integrated it seems modular might work for me. Im going to be attening an advice session with oxford soon so hope to get more info on that

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Hmmm.....lots of anti-integrated sentiments here. :rolleyes:

Mightyducks there are lots of benefits for going down the integrated route. While many believe you are throwing away tens of thousands pointlessly doing such a course, well... that's their opinion and they're entitled to it.

I like many chose integrated because it was quicker/shorter. Most students pass the ground school and flight exams first time and so 14-15 months is a realistic time frame to get your CPL ME IR MCC.
The environment in these integrated schools is also excellent for aiding study and there are plenty of students and instructors there to help you if you are struggling at an aspect of the course.
If I was left to study at home (modular) then my results in ground school would be nowhere near as high or my understanding of the subjects as thorough as in the integrated school.

And not to ruffle any feathers here but in speaking to ex-pilots involved in the current pilot recruitment sector (not involved with any flight schools I might add) they have told me that overall the standard of pilot from integrated schools are better than modular pilots.
Of course there are excellent modular pilots also, I have friends who got their licences that way but unfortunately they are finding it harder to get interviews. Like the other lads mentioned earlier, this could be part of the old school ethos of Oxford/FTE cadets only please...!?

Go to the open day, do your research, talk to students and past pupils at these schools(hopefully line pilots now) and make an educated decision. It's going to be an expensive road either way!

Good luck!

diverdriver

they have told me that overall the standard of pilot from integrated schools are better than modular pilots.

But that's because they're cherry picked, view profile. Integrated schools deliberately eliminate anyone likely to let down the standard. It's a conscious effort to ensure the more expensive and probably more profitable integrated courses are sold to potential candidates and keeps the possibilty that an airline who wishes to sponsor pilots will use them. OAA do modular courses too. Are we to say that they train their modular students to a lower standard? Clearly not.

The point being that modular trainees are self selected, anybody with a pulse can go down that route. So you have barely capable pilots coming up through modular. Others simply get bad training, many don't even know it.

But it's all about training standards. A suitable candidate will thrive whether integrated or modular at a good training establishment. I would say to MightyDucks if you get a good result in the assessment. Then it doesn't matter whether you do an integrated course or a modular.

My personal belief is that a full time course, whether integrated or modular is the best way to get trained. You get consistent training, maintain currency and live, sleep, eat, breathe flying. The big difference is that you'll pay more for the privilege on an integrated course and the perceived notion that you're receiving the best training that money can buy.

I'm not anti integrated, but there is a lot of BS surrounding it. Not least a lot of marketing hype from the integrated schools. PTC even put the word integrated into their modular course quite blatantly.

Of course there are excellent modular pilots also, I have friends who got their licences that way but unfortunately they are finding it harder to get interviews.

Everyone's finding it harder to find interviews, I'm afraid. In fact, other than Ryanair. I doubt if anyone is taking on newly qualified pilots at the moment and they honestly don't care. Are you working view profile?

There will be long waits for jobs in the next couple of years, no matter which course you took.

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I hope to be come March.

donkey balls

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I hope to be come March.

can i be cheeky and guess that its FR that your going be doing your line training with:) best of luck who ever you end up with.
as for the mod V inter my mate did it this way.
1,got class1 medical
2,did ppl in the US
3,went to oxford to do full time ground school/ATPL
4,headed back to the US to do 100hrs building
5,did the CPL straight after hour building
6,did the ME in the US
7,headed to bristol for the IR
8, MCC/JOC Simtech
all done for around 65k compared to 90k+ for some so called intergrated schools.
also Oxford do there flight training bar the IR in Arizona