neighbours baby.......

Loopsie

Ok before anyone jumps down my throat that children will be children i suggest that any of you come and stay in my apt for a day!!!
Im very aware that we live in very close proximity to one another but my problem is my neighbours baby. This child SCREAMS and i mean SCREAMS whenever they are in the apt, walking up/down the corridor.
Now dont get me wrong i really dont have a problem with an acceptable level of noise, but this child is starting to make myself and my flatmates lives miserable. This can start anywhere from 5.30am and continue until well after midnight.
I have been on to the management co and tried to say it in the nicest way possible but she kind fluffed me off. She told me they rent the apt (am i wrong feeling hard done by seens as i bought mine?!!!)
Any one have any ideas? I dont know how the parents alone can stand this. Im sure i would have management company knocking down my door if i had people eminating this kind of noise disturbance from my apt!!! Its such a sensitive subject that im really lost in how to deal with it but i find myself now having to leave my own home just to get some peace

ash23

I have been on to the management co and tried to say it in the nicest way possible but she kind fluffed me off. She told me they rent the apt (am i wrong feeling hard done by seens as i bought mine?!!!)

Yes you are. They pay rent and are as entitled to be there as you are.

OP, I've the same situation, a baby who screams at all hours next door.
It is frustrating being woken at night but there isn't a muffler that can be put on the child. Some babies scream. All the time. Be glad you've at least a wall between you and the child. Think of what the poor parents must be feeling like.
You can't keep a baby quiet. Whatever about an older child, but a baby, no.
I'm sure the parents would love to be able to quiet the child but they have no magic tricks up their sleeves.

Might I suggest earplugs. This has been the only solution I've found.

Overheal

ash23 wrote: »

Yes you are. They pay rent and are as entitled to be there as you are.

OP, I've the same situation, a baby who screams at all hours next door.
It is frustrating being woken at night but there isn't a muffler that can be put on the child. Some babies scream. All the time. Be glad you've at least a wall between you and the child. Think of what the poor parents must be feeling like.
You can't keep a baby quiet. Whatever about an older child, but a baby, no.
I'm sure the parents would love to be able to quiet the child but they have no magic tricks up their sleeves.

Might I suggest earplugs. This has been the only solution I've found.

No but typically that High Pitched squealing can be brought down a peg or two with Noise Canceling Headphones (which have gotten very affordable) or old fashioned ear pluggery.

LegacyUser

Rubbish, if you were screaming OP there'd be hell to pay if you woke up their bundle of joy. Write them a letter detailing dates and times of the incidents and if nothing changes inform their landlord or the managment company. Paying rent does not mean you don't have to control your child, no matter how small he or she is.
When I was a baby, the neighbours complained to my parents about the noise I made (they were a couple who had to work shifts) and my mum's solution was a nip of whiskey in the bottle...worked a charm apparently.
Having a baby is not a licence to disturb others-I would never put up with it and neither should you.....if you don't put your foot down now where will it end? There is always a way to stop a child crying, these parents either don't know how to parent or don't care about their neighbours, not something you should have to put up with anyway.

ash23

How on earth do you propose they stop the child crying?
Assuming the child isn't being neglected (which would be a whole other thread) the parents are probably doing their best.
I'm a fantastic mother (if I do say so myself) and my little bundle of joy (older now) screamed for weeks at one point. Colic. Nothing I could do but pace the floor night and day with her. I was at my wits end. If the neighbours had decided to write me a letter detailing the crying and complaining then I have to say, I would have been devestated, embarrassed and upset.

The reason the manangement company are fobbing you off is because there is nothing they can do. Try the gardai if you like, put in a claim for noise pollution....I would love to see how far that would get you! :rolleyes:

Like I said, get some earplugs.
This is one of the beauts about living in an apartment or a house joining another.

I also hasten to add, my neighbours with the screaming child have had a few partied which I have complained about and the managment co have issued warnings to them about.
But I wouldn't imagine they would take a complaint about a crying baby too far.

OP, bear in mind the child won't be that small for that long. They cry less as they get older. In my case it used to be every night but now it's once or twice a week.
I also moved my bed away from the joining wall and that has helped too.

davyjose

What exactly was your goal, when ringing the management company? Were you actually attempting to have a baby evicted so you could get a good night sleep? Or did you just want them to shove a sock in it's mouth?You want to take a good look at what kind of a person you are, tbh.

These people would doubtless be living in a large, spacious, detached house, if they had the means. An apartment is obviously their only recourse right now. Cop on and have a bit of sympathy. It's a baby ffs, not 20 teenagers throwing parties.

davyjose

do something wrote: »

Rubbish, if you were screaming OP there'd be hell to pay if you woke up their bundle of joy. Write them a letter detailing dates and times of the incidents and if nothing changes inform their landlord or the managment company. Paying rent does not mean you don't have to control your child, no matter how small he or she is.
When I was a baby, the neighbours complained to my parents about the noise I made (they were a couple who had to work shifts) and my mum's solution was a nip of whiskey in the bottle...worked a charm apparently.
Having a baby is not a licence to disturb others-I would never put up with it and neither should you.....if you don't put your foot down now where will it end? There is always a way to stop a child crying, these parents either don't know how to parent or don't care about their neighbours, not something you should have to put up with anyway.

You clearly have never been around a baby for more than an hour, in your life. Babies don't have off buttons. And giving whiskey to a child is bad parenting.

Loopsie

Ash, i dont think you understand the level that this has come to, to a point where i have to leave my own home. telling me to buy earplugs is not helpful and honestly it is not a long term solution to this problem. This child is probably about 2 or 2 1/2. I know if i had behaved like that when i was a baby i would have got a swift smack on the bum and would of shut up, these people all they seem to do is ooooh and ahhhhh at the child. they have often left it screaming in the corridor for half an hour at a time.
It is affecting my general health as in im exhausted ALL the time and am finding my work a struggle.
Also pulling my bed away from the wall is not an option. Our complex is very well built and i have been there 4 years while these people are their about 6 months. I have never once had to complain about noise and i know my neighbours have had a fair few parties, so have i and i have never had a noise complaint.

LegacyUser

Don't agree, Ash23, noise is noise whether its from a crying baby or a frat house, I wouldn't put up with either.

OP-If they get embarassed, well they have to get over that and realise they can't allow their choices to dictate the sleep of others. Like I say, my mother ran a tight ship and NEVER allowed us to ruin other peoples' entitlement to a good nights sleep.

I don't see the difference between the choice to have a baby and have a loud party-both involve disturbing your neighbour who are fully entitled to enjoy their dwelling without disturbance from others. Write that letter and if it doesn't work, go further.

I don't see why other peoples' kids should impact on your life, nothing more to say really.

Loopsie

davyjose wrote: »

What exactly was your goal, when ringing the management company? Were you actually attempting to have a baby evicted so you could get a good night sleep? Or did you just want them to shove a sock in it's mouth?You want to take a good look at what kind of a person you are, tbh.

These people would doubtless be living in a large, spacious, detached house, if they had the means. An apartment is obviously their only recourse right now. Cop on and have a bit of sympathy. It's a baby ffs, not 20 teenagers throwing parties.

are you suggesting that i should feel sorry for them and basically just shut up, I DONT THINK SO. I work 6 days a week to pay for that place, it is not my fault that they are not in the financial situation to buy a house. I am very conscious of my neighbours living in proximity and as i stated in my first post i know it is an extremely sensitive subject, im well aware of that. Im looking for advice on how to deal with the situation, not looking for small minded people like yourself to get on your high horse. So if you have no ADVICE to give kindly butt out!!!

Loopsie

davyjose wrote: »

What exactly was your goal, when ringing the management company? Were you actually attempting to have a baby evicted so you could get a good night sleep? Or did you just want them to shove a sock in it's mouth?You want to take a good look at what kind of a person you are, tbh.

These people would doubtless be living in a large, spacious, detached house, if they had the means. An apartment is obviously their only recourse right now. Cop on and have a bit of sympathy. It's a baby ffs, not 20 teenagers throwing parties.

to note i would like to know how sympathetic you would be functioning on at max 5 hours sleep a night and not even a break at weekends due to be woken at 5.30am on my one day off and having it scream for the entire day.

ash23

Loopsie wrote: »

Ash, i dont think you understand the level that this has come to, to a point where i have to leave my own home. telling me to buy earplugs is not helpful and honestly it is not a long term solution to this problem. This child is probably about 2 or 2 1/2. I know if i had behaved like that when i was a baby i would have got a swift smack on the bum and would of shut up, these people all they seem to do is ooooh and ahhhhh at the child. they have often left it screaming in the corridor for half an hour at a time. It is affecting my general health as in im exhausted ALL the time and am finding my work a struggle.
Also pulling my bed away from the wall is not an option. Our complex is very well built and i have been there 4 years while these people are their about 6 months. I have never once had to complain about noise and i know my neighbours have had a fair few parties, so have i and i have never had a noise complaint.

That is neglect and is a totally different scenario to what you have said in your OP.
If they leave the child alone and you know this then report that to the gardai.

No small child should be left alone for long periods of time.
A baby is a child up to 1. This is an older toddler and toddlers don't scream for hours for no reason.
Contact the gardai or social services if the child is being neglected.

Taltos

Is the child being mistreated in any way?
If you fear for the child's safety then social services might be able to help.

However if it is just colic - then ear-plugs, radio, etc might be more in order.
Otherwise why not call round and see if all is actually ok there... Who know...

ash23

Also bear in mind that the child could be suffering from a medical condition or a learning difficulty of some sort. My autistic nephew screams and screams.

Just tread carefully and don't assume the childs parents are not dealing with it because they are oohing and awwing. Do you know them or know the child? (though the leaving the child in the corridor screaming kind of conflicts what was said about them oohing and awwing which would suggest the child is spoiled).

davyjose

Loopsie wrote: »

are you suggesting that i should feel sorry for them and basically just shut up, I DONT THINK SO.

Sounds like your looking for sympathy yourself

Loopsie wrote: »

I work 6 days a week to pay for that place, it is not my fault that they are not in the financial situation to buy a house.

Not their fault you bought an apartment

Loopsie wrote: »

Im looking for advice on how to deal with the situation, not looking for small minded people like yourself to get on your high horse.

I'm not the one who tried to evict a two year old.

LegacyUser

ash23 wrote: »

Also bear in mind that the child could be suffering from a medical condition or a learning difficulty of some sort. My autistic nephew screams and screams.

Just tread carefully and don't assume the childs parents are not dealing with it because they are oohing and awwing. Do you know them or know the child? (though the leaving the child in the corridor screaming kind of conflicts what was said about them oohing and awwing which would suggest the child is spoiled).

Yes Ash23, Id be sympathetic to a point, but an apartment is a communal dwelling and people cannot disturb others. If one person is allowed to get away with that kind of nonsense to the detriment of others, he or she should be advised of the situation and instructed to improve the situation or move if he or she is renting. One noisy child can't dictate everyone's life.

OP I feel for you=write that letter and do not give up. Ring the local health nurse and report the couple if they are bad parents and do not give up until they and their brat pipe down or go. Best of luck.

meditraitor

Sadly you have no choice but to stick it out. Is the baby young? It could be colic which goes away after a few weeks most of the time. Im sure you realise that if its hard for you it must be killing the parents.

Good luck

Edit, just seen it was a 2 year old, anyway as I said there is very little you can do..... The parents are trying their best(I hope).

Loopsie

davyjose wrote: »

Sounds like your looking for sympathy yourself Not their fault you bought an apartment

I'm not the one who tried to evict a two year old.

WHEN DID I ONCE SUGGEST EVICTING A TWO YEAR OLD. Cop on to yourself and butt out you have no advice to give

D rog

As another poster said babies/toddlers just don't have an off button.
Most best parenting practices these days don't involve whiskey, smacking or telling a child to shut up. Babies and toddlers just make a lot of noise unfortunately- and yes that can extend to screaming and crying for no understandable reason if they cannot communicate otherwise. Usually at the most difficult times- like when you're out in company or at 5am.

Whether they and you rent or own doesn't really matter here as for the time being it is also their home and having a child is not an unreasonable circumstance in an apartment.

I think when something like this is ongoing, the issue becomes something bigger than just noise as it's so irritating that it is now noise, lack of sleep and a loathing for the situation. Along with the thought of it going on without end, I can see how it would get to you. However, in all reality you are going to have to try to find your own method of dealing with this as very little can be done to force the baby to stop making noise.
As others suggested- earplugs and trying to stay as far as possible away from the source of noise. Maybe you could also approach the management company about the standard of noise insulation- isn't there regulations for that kind of thing in apartments? The MGM co may actually have to fix this. Hope it works out for you


Edit to add: even if they leave what if someone else noisy moves in? If you own and want to stay there, the noise is something to take up with the MGM co.

mood

If you don't want the family evicted what do you want them to do? Assuming they are decent parents they are probably doing all they can to keep the baby quite. I assume they don't want to be up all night either. However, leaving a baby in a hall way is not on.

Are you sure the baby is 2 or 2 and a half? If so it is unusual it is still crying all day and night. The poor kid could well have problems. It all sound a little strange.

nesbitt

[QUOTE=OP I feel for you=write that letter and do not give up. Ring the local health nurse and report the couple if they are bad parents and do not give up until they and their brat pipe down or go. Best of luck.[/QUOTE]


Perhaps this whiskey intake that this poster claims to have had as a baby has had negative effect. what a horrible set of posts.....:eek:

Loopsie

mood wrote: »

If you don't want the family evicted what do you want them to do? Assuming they are decent parents they are probably doing all they can to keep the baby quite. I assume they don't want to be up all night either. However, leaving a baby in a hall way is not on.

Are you sure the baby is 2 or 2 and a half? If so it is unusual it is still crying all day and night. The poor kid could well have problems. It all sound a little strange.

Im sorry for ranting and i appreciate what all of you with advice but i am constantly on the verge of tears due to the exhaustion. I dont for a second sugest evicting a young family but it is so frustrating. On numerous occassions they have left the child out in the corridor screaming, i know my other neighbour was considering calling social services but they dont seem to be affected as much as they are other side of corridor while one wall of my apt attached to noisy apt. Doing nothing is not an option for me, as i said my flatmate is considering leaving (i need the rent to cover the mortgage) and i cant function properly and my general health at the moment is in the toilet due to stress levels from this. Im making stupid errors in work cos im so tired and all round im unbelievably unhappy

ash23

Loopsie wrote: »

WHEN DID I ONCE SUGGEST EVICTING A TWO YEAR OLD. Cop on to yourself and butt out you have no advice to give

Do you have any experience with children at all? I know you are frustrated but really, short of having them evicted, what other outcome is there?

I hear no concern for the child in your posts. I have to say if I were living next to a child who was being left alone screaming and seemed to be screaming for hours on end, my concern would be first and foremost for the poor child and that would be what was distressing me not a lack of sleep.

Call the local health nurse, get them to check on things for fear the poor thing is being mistreated in some way. Even if it is just a case that the parents are struggling, the PHN may be able to offer some sort of support

http://findaddress.citizensinformation.ie/service_finder//query.py?category=Health+Centres&county=*&town=*&submit=FIND+ADDRESSES

mood

It sounds like a case of bad parents and/or the child has problems. This is worrying. I do think it should be reported to make sure the child is being care for properly and/or so the parents can get some support.

I really think ear plugs are you only option as you can't move.

dmy1001

OP what a nightmare!!

If i were you I would make a note of the screaming...when it starts, how long it goes on for etc etc. It is hard to advise really unless the screaming is totally excessive, which would be a social services call.

Good Luck!

Taltos

Leaving a child alone in a communal corridor to scream??....!!!

FGS - call social now.

Child screaming is not good.
But leaving a 2 yr old where it is not being supervised in an area where others are passing thru is negligent.

For the sake of the child call someone who can do something.

Lollipops23

Ok OP,I've been in this situation. My next door neighbours' baby went through a phase of screaming crying every single night. I was in final year at the time, and every minute of sleep counted. It started really really getting to me.

However, she was approx 10months old at the time. This ain't normal for a 2 year old. Fair enough, there's the terrible twos, but even then they don't screech 24/7.

And this issue of the child being left in the corridor on their own??!!holy crap!I know when my younger bro went through his tantrum phase we used to stick him in the utility room for 5mins (making sure there was nothing dangerous in reach). But I'd never advise leaving a kid on their own somewhere where they could hurt themselves, or get snatched!

Ring Social Services ASAP.

D rog

If you have genuine worries about the child being left alone to scream I would approach the parents face to face about using communal hallways like that and ring the PHN so they can have a look in on the little one.
I'd say the PHN would be more likely to drop in quickly as it's part of their remit.

davyjose

Loopsie wrote: »

WHEN DID I ONCE SUGGEST EVICTING A TWO YEAR OLD. Cop on to yourself and butt out you have no advice to give

Then why ring the management company? Listen, you might not like my opinion, but it's a public forum. I didn't exactly like the personal abuse you threw my way, but i realise we're not all gonna agree.

Sleipnir

Loopsie wrote: »

to note i would like to know how sympathetic you would be functioning on at max 5 hours sleep a night and not even a break at weekends due to be woken at 5.30am on my one day off and having it scream for the entire day.

The parents have all that and don't get a day off.

What do you want them to do? Sit it down and have a serious talk with it? Drug it?

Perhaps the child has a long-term illness?

deisemum

Ring the PHN, she can pop round and check things out. Leaving a 2 or 2.5 year old crying for half an hour at a time is neglect. If the PHN thinks there's something wrong going on she can refer it on to social services. They can provide help for the parents if need be.

dudara

Posters - calm down a little bit here. It's getting heated.

dudara

Freddie59

ash23 wrote: »

Like I said, get some earplugs.

Alternatively, rent some disco gear for when their 'quiet times' occur.;)

Nevyn

Freddie59
Unhelpful and off-topic posting will get you banned from this forum.
Do take time to read the charter which contains the rules and abide by them.
Have a nice day.
Thaedydal

metrovelvet

Loopsie wrote: »

Im sorry for ranting and i appreciate what all of you with advice but i am constantly on the verge of tears due to the exhaustion. I dont for a second sugest evicting a young family but it is so frustrating. On numerous occassions they have left the child out in the corridor screaming, i know my other neighbour was considering calling social services but they dont seem to be affected as much as they are other side of corridor while one wall of my apt attached to noisy apt. Doing nothing is not an option for me, as i said my flatmate is considering leaving (i need the rent to cover the mortgage) and i cant function properly and my general health at the moment is in the toilet due to stress levels from this. Im making stupid errors in work cos im so tired and all round im unbelievably unhappy

Ok if you feel ****, just imagine how exasperated the parents are.

Now, Im not one to believe in the let them cry it out for a half an hour, but I have certainly received advice that I should. So who knows what kind of advice they are getting.

The Big Red Button

ash23 wrote: »

Be glad you've at least a wall between you and the child. Think of what the poor parents must be feeling like.
You can't keep a baby quiet. Whatever about an older child, but a baby, no.
I'm sure the parents would love to be able to quiet the child but they have no magic tricks up their sleeves.

Sleipnir wrote: »

The parents have all that and don't get a day off.

The parents knew what they were getting themselves in for - or at least they should have known - when they made the decision to have a child. The OP had no say in this and has been put in this situation with no say in the matter.

I have a lot of sympathy for you OP, that would drive me absolutely mental. And I like kids, I know how difficult it is to calm them down, I feel sorry for the parents too - but at the end of the day, it's their problem, it shouldn't be yours.

As others have mentioned, you should definitely consider contacting social services. The fact that they have left the child alone in the corridor would be sufficient reason for you to do so, in my opinion. That and the fact that a child that age really shouldn't be screaming like that all the time.

Since the management company don't seem to be any help at all, I don't really see what else you can do apart from directly approaching the people involved? Although I'm not sure that would actually achieve anything at all; I suppose if they could move out then they would have.

Best of luck anyways, hope you sort something out.

pfishfood

Can you not report them to the local authority or Garda station about excessive noise levels.

If you do suspect foul play on the behalf of the parents perhaps reporting the incident to social services might be in the best interests of the child.

Its a really frustrating/stressful thing to go through. I was once in a similar position but i complained to the letting agent renting the property and that seemed to sort the problem at least after 8 o clock.

D rog

Apart from the possible child welfare issue, something like this might help OP? http://www.iacoustics.net/page1.html

MizzLolly

davyjose wrote: »

You want to take a good look at what kind of a person you are, tbh.

Feel big posting that rubbish from behind a screen? You're hardly being helpful. :rolleyes:

davyjose wrote: »

I'm not the one who tried to evict a two year old.

Now I'm convinced you're just looking for a reaction.

Sleipnir wrote: »

The parents have all that and don't get a day off.

So what? That's not the OP's problem.

metrovelvet wrote: »

Ok if you feel ****, just imagine how exasperated the parents are.

Again, nothing to do with the OP.

That is a **** situation, granted it's not the kids fault or probably not even the parents fault but you certainly should not be kept awake. If it's true that the child is left screaming for long periods of time I'd suggest getting in touch with the gardai. At least you'll know one way or another the issue of the noise is being dealt with (I can't imagine the parents would be too happy when they realise it sounds like their kid is being neglected with it's constant screaming) and have it clarified (hopefully) that this isn't a case of child abuse.

LegacyUser

An apartment isn't a place for a baby. Surely they can rent a small house or chalet. Why did they leave their last place 6 months ago? Did someone else complain?

dudara

MizzLolly - please heed moderators' warning to post in a helpful manner. Don't continue an argument.

dudara

LegacyUser

God, OP, I feel soooo sorry for you. I cannot cope when I haven't had enough sleep, so this would drive me to distraction too. I don't think people are being fair when they tell you to essentially suck it up. It's all very well telling you what they would do in your situation when they're not in your situation :-) I suspect people would be a lot less forgiving and concerned only for the good of the child if they were actually experiencing this.

I wonder if the best thing to do is to call in the heavies straight away? Strikes me as a big step to call social services unless you know for definite that the child is being harmed. As for leaving the child in the hall, again, unless you know for definite that the parents are not watching her, I think you may be jumping the gun with social services.

She may have a health or developmental issue, but there is no way for you to know that.

Maybe, you have to be the bigger person and go and knock on their door, after a bucket of chamomile tea :-) and take them a plant or something (don't slag me off!!It's a friendly gesture), and ask if you can speak to them. Explain nicely that the baby's screaming is really affecting you (for all you know, they may have no idea that the walls are so thin!), and ask if there is anything that you can do to help them. I agree with other posters that the parents must be at their wits ends with this. If you are nice to them and stay calm, it will hopefully make them more conscious of the effect their child is having on you and your flatmate.

Maybe, I'm in la la land, but you always seem to get what you want more easily if you are nice about it. If you do all this and nothing improves, then escalate it.

Good luck!!! If it's any consolation, I would feel exactly as you do.

PS: before anyone goes for me, I'm a paediatric nurse, so I do have some idea of what I'm talking about.

January

hughesw wrote: »

An apartment isn't a place for a baby. Surely they can rent a small house or chalet. Why did they leave their last place 6 months ago? Did someone else complain?

You have NO idea of that couples circumstances, maybe that is the only place they can rent. Maybe 6 months ago they both lost their jobs and couldn't afford the place they were living anymore. An apartment is a perfectly acceptable place to bring up a child as long as it's not kept locked up all the time.

OP, I agree with other posters, ring the PHN and have a quiet word with her. At the moment don't say it's bothering you, just tell her you're concerned for the child as it is crying all day and night. That's not normal for any child, illness or not.

bronte

I don't understand this mentality of being expected to listen to other peoples sprogs screaming. I hear them day in an day out on public transport and in shops etc...to have to come home to that and endure it is unacceptable.
I couldn't live there op. Either they go or you do.
Complain about the noise and see what happens. Write down when it actually occurs. They should attempt to soundproof the place at least.

Overheal

do something wrote: »

Don't agree, Ash23, noise is noise whether its from a crying baby or a frat house, I wouldn't put up with either.

Except that you cant try a 2 year old as an Adult (!)

Loopsie wrote: »

are you suggesting that i should feel sorry for them and basically just shut up, I DONT THINK SO. I work 6 days a week to pay for that place, it is not my fault that they are not in the financial situation to buy a house.

You really think this Child is more stress for you than it is for them?

If you have a good reason to suspect neglect - by all means pick up the phone. Otherwise, and if you find yourself without recourse, all I can advise is take measures to dampen noise coming from your shared hallway. I'd think about getting it rubber sealed etc.

Anna Molly

Have you ever tried reasoning with a two year old? Not so easy.
I think you may just ride it out.

Faith

I have nothing to say except to offer you my sympathy, OP. It's a shít situation. I don't like children and I'd have a fúcking heart attack if I was kept awake moring noon and night with the sound of one crying. There's an acceptable level, and then there's what you're suffering through. The parents have an obligation to sort it out to the best of their ability IMO. Have you ever discussed it with them? Have they ever contacted you and apologised about the noise level, or offered an explanation?

This is an emotive issue, because anyone who has kids will never be able to understand your point of view. So bear that in mind when you're reading the replies here. If you had a dog that barked all day every day, you'd be damn sure your neighbours would complain. But hey, you can't stop a dog from barking, it's just what they do. Doesn't mean your neighbours have to suffer through it too though.

D rog

Faith a dog is a wee bit different. You can get collars for them, other methods and if the worst came to the worst rehome them. The parents of the screamer can't use collars or rehome the baby

Faith

D rog wrote: »

Faith a dog is a wee bit different. You can get collars for them, other methods and if the worst came to the worst rehome them. The parents of the screamer can't use collars or rehome the baby

I know a dog is very different, and I expect my post will get angry replies. But my point is that the dog owner would be expected to do everything in their power to resolve the situation, even to the extent of giving away their precious pet. But in the OP's situation, it doesn't seem like the parents have taken any action at all. Given that they're only renting, and are not tied to the property like the OP is, I'm sure they could move to a home where their child will not disturb anybody else. This obviously won't be a popular suggestion, but unfortunately the right action is not always the popular one. If there is a serious reason why the child screams all day, it is not fair for the parents to live in an apartment block with thin walls.

Sleipnir

Faith wrote: »

Given that they're only renting, and are not tied to the property like the OP is,

One word; lease.

flibbertyjibbet

Why are some people comparing the toddler crying with having a frat party or choosing to have a baby with choosing to have a party?!
The difference is that anyone at such a party is going to be an adult who understands the effect of noise on other people and has conscious knowledge of what they are doing but does it anyway. A two year old toddler isn't aware of the effect it's having on the neighbours when it cries. It's just thinking of getting what it needs/wants. It barely has the mental capacity to be aware of others feelings, unlike an adult.