Michael O'Leary: I'd cut 20 billion

zootroid

Two of Ireland's most successful businessmen reckon that the Government could benefit from listening to the views of entrepreneurs in formulating next month's Budget.

As the Budget looms, Ryanair chief executive Michael O'Leary called on the Government to take "tough decisions" now to rescue the economy.

He said: "I have no confidence in this government. I think they are utterly useless. All they've done since the McCarthy report was published six months ago is talk about taking tough decisions in December. It's like breathing. You don't need to talk about tough decisions. Take tough decisions. You're a government, for Christ's sake, you're elected to lead. And what did they do? They fecked off on three months' holidays while this country borrows €500m a week."

Commenting on Finance Minister Brian Lenihan's much-discussed pledge to deliver cuts of €4bn in the Budget, Mr O'Leary said: "I've been asked if I were Minister for Finance, what I would do to reduce costs by €4bn. I wouldn't reduce them by €4bn. I'd reduce them by €20bn in one year. I would eliminate 20 per cent of the civil service by simple means of requiring them all to work a minimum of 40 hours a week from Monday to Friday, and take 20 days' holidays a year like everybody else in the bloody real world. And if you don't like it, leave."

Referring to the obstacles his own company faces in doing business in Ireland, the Ryanair boss added: "What mystifies me is the Government falls all over itself trying to attract the world's biggest companies to invest in this country. You have the world's biggest airline resident in this country, willing to invest in this country in an industry which, despite the recession, you can turn on growth straightaway: tourism, hotels, bars, restaurants, the works. We've been doing business here since 1986 and yet the Government has followed only two policies. One: pissing us off; and two: promoting and protecting what is clearly an incompetent monopoly at Dublin Airport."

Millionaire founder of Baltimore Technologies and former FAI chief executive Fran Rooney for his part believes that entrepreneurs will be the ones to lead Ireland out of the recession, with manufactured export-led growth being the key driver.

"Private enterprise is going to drive us out of this recession. How are we going to be successful driving this forward? The most essential statistic will be the increase in exports in the next number of years. We've got to create an environment where we have manufactured exports.

"That can only be created by entrepreneurs.

"Where the Government can help is in providing the stimulus for that. There's no point in creating jobs where we're just moving the money around. We've got to bring money in from overseas either through investment to create exports, or through exports themselves. Without that, there isn't going to be an improvement in this economy. We'll just be borrowing, taking money in from banks that has to be repaid," he said.

Mr Rooney says the Government must introduce imaginative policies to encourage people as the recession bites more heavily.

"We have a lot of people unemployed, and we're paying for those people to be unemployed, essentially. One very simple stimulus would be to pay companies to take them on board. We'd get two things out of that. We would take people off the live register and we'd also be putting them back into employment which will help to stimulate the economy," he said.

"Another great stimulus would be to match investment by private individuals.

"There was a lot of money spent on land.

"Now where did that money go? Unless it was spent again on other development land or outside the country, it's still in the country sitting in people's bank accounts.

"You're talking about a very aggressively sexed-up business expansion plan over one or two years where you're going to get a return of 'x' percent that will be matched by the Government or assisted by them.

"You would have the choice at the end of the term of leaving it in as equity, or taking it back at a premium," he added.

http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/oleary-83644bn-of-cutbacks-id-cut-836420bn-in-a-year-1950734.html

ei.sdraob

I would eliminate 20 per cent of the civil service by simple means of requiring them all to work a minimum of 40 hours a week from Monday to Friday, and take 20 days' holidays a year like everybody else in the bloody real world.

ouch

nail meet hammer

whatnext

ei.sdraob wrote: »

ouch

nail meet hammer

The thought of a 40 hour week and only 20 days leave would probably kill 20% of them before you got to implement it. Take away paid sick leave and the problem is sorted.

Genius

DeVore

The one point I would make which is very telling is that while some PS workers might die of shock at the idea of a 40-hour week, the frontline medical staff like junior doctors and nurses would be jumping for joy.

Other then that, yeah... nail on head.

DeV.

am i bovvered

DeVore wrote: »

The one point I would make which is very telling is that while some PS workers might die of shock at the idea of a 40-hour week, the frontline medical staff like junior doctors and nurses would be jumping for joy.

Other then that, yeah... nail on head.

DeV.

This point is getting very tiresome..... not one person I know in the private sector has a problem with frontline medical staff.
Everyone including them frontline staff know that the problem is the middle to upper management level, in most of the public sector, its time to stop all the bullsh*t debates we are all sick and tired of, the government and unions have a lot to answer for.

ntlbell

am i bovvered wrote: »

This point is getting very tiresome..... not one person I know in the private sector has a problem with frontline medical staff.
Everyone including them frontline staff know that the problem is the middle to upper management level, in most of the public sector, its time to stop all the bullsh*t debates we are all sick and tired of, the government and unions have a lot to answer for.

?

I think Devore was suggesting that front line staff would be over the moon if they only had to work 40 hours as they're usually worked to the bone.

I don't think Dev or o learly were having a go, seems like o leary was reffering to our over paid underworked educational staff

Zynks

I'd reduce them by €20bn in one year. I would eliminate 20 per cent of the civil service

Is the PS wage bill €100 billion? Not being smart, I just never saw a figure on the wages.

old boy

well he also rubbed sandpaper across the goverments ass, everyone knows of the changes required, everyone knows the political will is not there, also everyone knows the rain falls on the just and the unjust, also the farther schit falls the smellier it gets, in plain language the people in the bottom of each group will get hurt the most. one simple queston for each of you, how may politicians have taken a hit, either volentery or involentery, q.e.d.

zootroid

Zynks wrote: »

Is the PS wage bill €100 billion? Not being smart, I just never saw a figure on the wages.

I don't think he's meaning to be taken literally, it's just a rant about the public sector in the country as well as the government. He sees a huge amount of waste that needs to be tackled.

If the stories about short working weeks and a large number of holidays are true, then he's quite right to have a go.

doc_17

Zynks wrote: »

Is the PS wage bill €100 billion? Not being smart, I just never saw a figure on the wages.

I think that figure is the public sector pension liability going into the future. the PS wage bill is 20billion

erictheviking

:D:D Yeah right! Like O'Leary gives a **** about the people of Ireland. If he did he wouldn't have got rid of the Irish in Ryanair and replaced them with Eastern European cheap labour.
To people like O'Leary €€€€ >>> Irish people & Ireland

zootroid

erictheviking wrote: »

:D:D Yeah right! Like O'Leary gives a **** about the people of Ireland. If he did he wouldn't have got rid of the Irish in Ryanair and replaced them with Eastern European cheap labour.
To people like O'Leary €€€€ >>> Irish people & Ireland

I'd say he cares as much as any other citizen, and wants to see Ireland do well. But when it comes to Ryanair, the only interests he serves is that of the shareholders, and there's nothing wrong with that.

Paulzx

Its very easy saying you would save 20 billion when you know you will never have to. Sure why doesn't he say he would save 100 billion and the country would be on the pigs back:rolleyes:

_Kooli_

Michael O'Leary.
Great man for cutting costs to put money in his pocket.

Next you'll be having to pay for web checkin into A&E while you wait. And if you happen to be stuck in hospital you can starve or pay €100 for dinner.

Or what about if your house is on fire. Ryanfire will put out the fire for you €10k a room. How many rooms would you like.

Or teaching your kids. Ryanteach will teach your kids. You have to pay €25 extra for a desk and €10 for a seat. If you want a teacher for any special needs, that will cost you more too.

So as long as you dont have an accident, a fire, a flood or need kids taught, he's yer man. He'll save you a fortune. Anyone else, start saving for your new life.

Zynks

doc_17 wrote: »

I think that figure is the public sector pension liability going into the future. the PS wage bill is 20billion

Based on that figure, the scary part is that if they fired the entire public service, that still wouldn't cover the deficit :eek:

That can't be right, can it?

hinault

Zynks wrote: »

Based on that figure, the scary part is that if they fired the entire public service, that still wouldn't cover the deficit :eek:

That can't be right, can it?

Good point

erictheviking

_Kooli_ wrote: »

Michael O'Leary.
Great man for cutting costs to put money in his pocket.

Next you'll be having to pay for web checkin into A&E while you wait. And if you happen to be stuck in hospital you can starve or pay €100 for dinner.

Or what about if your house is on fire. Ryanfire will put out the fire for you €10k a room. How many rooms would you like.

Or teaching your kids. Ryanteach will teach your kids. You have to pay €25 extra for a desk and €10 for a seat. If you want a teacher for any special needs, that will cost you more too.

So as long as you dont have an accident, a fire, a flood or need kids taught, he's yer man. He'll save you a fortune. Anyone else, start saving for your new life.

That about sums him up!:D.....The working mans hero....NOT!

thebman

erictheviking wrote: »

:D:D Yeah right! Like O'Leary gives a **** about the people of Ireland. If he did he wouldn't have got rid of the Irish in Ryanair and replaced them with Eastern European cheap labour.
To people like O'Leary €€€€ >>> Irish people & Ireland

There are Irish people working in Ryanair, they also have people working in other countries.

At the end of the day its an airline, if they only did business with Irish people, they wouldn't get very far.

Dannyboy83

Zynks wrote: »

Based on that figure, the scary part is that if they fired the entire public service, that still wouldn't cover the deficit :eek:

That can't be right, can it?

http://www.rte.ie/business/2009/0716/spending.html
PS bill is €19.8 billion (35% & falling)
Social Welfare is €21.3 billion (37% & growing)
Other programmes €15.8 billion (25%)
==
Total: €57 billion
Exchequer at €30 odd billion (& recessing)

Reduce the first 2 by 50% and you'd cover most of the debt.
It can't be done by cuts alone tho, the economy also needs to grow.

pipelaser

erictheviking wrote: »

:D:D Yeah right! Like O'Leary gives a **** about the people of Ireland. If he did he wouldn't have got rid of the Irish in Ryanair and replaced them with Eastern European cheap labour.
To people like O'Leary €€€€ >>> Irish people & Ireland

What a comment! Its not as if hes banned Irish workers, the eastern europeans are just more willing to work under the conditions, although.... in general their customer service is shocking!

sold

I work 42.5 hour week, so I have no problem dropping to 40 hours! ;-)

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

pipelaser wrote: »

What a comment! Its not as if hes banned Irish workers, the eastern europeans are just more willing to work under the conditions, although.... in general their customer service is shocking!

If he were in power, we'd all be his 'customers' has has been pointed out.

musiknonstop

If you don't like the way Ryanair does business you can choose another airline. We are not so fortunate with the public service. And I'm fairly sure the staff were Irish on the last Ryanair flight I was on.

drkpower

DeVore wrote: »

The one point I would make which is very telling is that while some PS workers might die of shock at the idea of a 40-hour week, the frontline medical staff like junior doctors and nurses would be jumping for joy.

Other then that, yeah... nail on head.

DeV.

Not the nurses; most are on a standard 39 hour week (possibly less) with very structured and protected breaks.

ei.sdraob

DeVore wrote: »

The one point I would make which is very telling is that while some PS workers might die of shock at the idea of a 40-hour week, the frontline medical staff like junior doctors and nurses would be jumping for joy.

Other then that, yeah... nail on head.

DeV.

isnt there some EU directive ensuring new doctors dont work too much?

Poccington

whatnext wrote: »

The thought of a 40 hour week and only 20 days leave would probably kill 20% of them before you got to implement it. Take away paid sick leave and the problem is sorted.

Genius

I had worked 48 hours by Thursday morning this week.

Bring on a 40 hour week.

mrgaa1

In principle what they are saying is right. No point cutting 4 billion this year - waste of time. A severe cut needs to be done. 10-15-20billion now and stimulate the economy.
But that would take initiative and that aint going to happen. Take the pain now and make it short and sharp.

am i bovvered

DeVore wrote: »

The one point I would make which is very telling is that while some PS workers might die of shock at the idea of a 40-hour week, the frontline medical staff like junior doctors and nurses would be jumping for joy.

Other then that, yeah... nail on head.

DeV.

am i bovvered.....This point is getting very tiresome..... not one person I know in the private sector has a problem with frontline medical staff.
Everyone including them frontline staff know that the problem is the middle to upper management level, in most of the public sector, its time to stop all the bullsh*t debates we are all sick and tired of, the government and unions have a lot to answer for.

ntlbell.....

?
I think Devore was suggesting that front line staff would be over the moon if they only had to work 40 hours as they're usually worked to the bone.

I realise that, the point was that nobody has any problem with the frontline HSE workers, but everytime there is a discussion on cutting pay, they are brought up time and time again as a reason not to tackle the inefficiencies in the public service.

MG

Zynks wrote: »

Is the PS wage bill €100 billion? Not being smart, I just never saw a figure on the wages.

The OP quote is from the Indo and is confusing because it's badly edited (the article, not the OP)

A fuller test is here from the Tribune....http://www.tribune.ie/news/article/2009/nov/22/fantasy-finance/

I would require all public-sector employees (including the Dáil and Seanad) to work a minimum 40 hour week, with a maximum of 20 days annual leave. No public-sector basic pay would be cut, but all other allowances would be withdrawn. Public-sector pensions would all become defined contribution from 1 January 2010 as well. Any public-sector employee who doesn't like it, could resign, effective from 1 January and get a job in the private sector instead, where all of these terms are standard. Since this would improve productivity in the public sector by at least 20%, every fifth public servant would be made redundant and this would save €5bn

Fix Irl inc

No one has any problem with frontline staff - however if they keep allowing themselves to be used as muppets by middle / top management, I am afraid we will have to tar them all with the same brush. Why don't all the frontline staff continue and let the middle management and top management go on strike - will anyone notice ?? We may even get a better service without all their interfeerances about who is allowed to change a lightbulb etc

_Kooli_

mrgaa1 wrote: »

In principle what they are saying is right. No point cutting 4 billion this year - waste of time. A severe cut needs to be done. 10-15-20billion now and stimulate the economy.
But that would take initiative and that aint going to happen. Take the pain now and make it short and sharp.

10% levy on the entire population. Including those on the dole and multi millionaires.

Then fire 25% of the public sector and we'll just middle through without them.

That should do it. Proper pain for all. It will hurt for a while but we'll get used to it.

irish_bob

Fix Irl inc wrote: »

No one has any problem with frontline staff - however if they keep allowing themselves to be used as muppets by middle / top management, I am afraid we will have to tar them all with the same brush. Why don't all the frontline staff continue and let the middle management and top management go on strike - will anyone notice ?? We may even get a better service without all their interfeerances about who is allowed to change a lightbulb etc

i believe nurses are over paid in this country , guards too

muboop1

irish_bob wrote: »

i believe nurses are over paid in this country , guards too

your belief without experiencing a job is just a that your belief, which you are totally entitled to. Having said that, it in no way gives your belief credibility as fact.

Imagine working in a kids hospital in say an icu watching kid you've taken care of there entire lives die unfortunately quite regularly. Imagine having to stay strong day in and day out and comfort the parents, seeing half the crap we see in our worst nightmares.

Nah feck it they get paid just fine! totally deserved.

am i bovvered

irish_bob wrote: »

i believe nurses are over paid in this country , guards too

I do not feel any nurse or guard starting off in their profession are overpaid, the problem is that at the end of their career they are on huge wages with huge pensions compared to the average person.

am i bovvered

muboop1 wrote: »

your belief without experiencing a job is just a that your belief, which you are totally entitled to. Having said that, it in no way gives your belief credibility as fact.

Imagine working in a kids hospital in say an icu watching kid you've taken care of there entire lives die unfortunately quite regularly. Imagine having to stay strong day in and day out and comfort the parents, seeing half the crap we see in our worst nightmares.

Nah feck it they get paid just fine! totally deserved.

Its a tough job, the toughest in the public service, the vast vast majority of the country admire and support nurses, they just cannot understand why they are allowing the "wasters" in the public system hide behind nurses etc ???

Dozen Wicked Words

am i bovvered wrote: »

I do not feel any nurse or guard starting off in their profession are overpaid, the problem is that at the end of their career they are on huge wages with huge pensions compared to the average person.

The number of manager grade nurses in hospitals is ridiculous. Every week, another nurse who used to be on the wards is in a suit working as acting something or another for planning this or managing that, in an office, nowhere near a ward. This does nothing to help the patient, to all intent and purpose they are no longer really nursing but their inflated salary and pension is used as a stick to beat the average staff nurse with.

murphaph

erictheviking wrote: »

:D:D Yeah right! Like O'Leary gives a **** about the people of Ireland. If he did he wouldn't have got rid of the Irish in Ryanair and replaced them with Eastern European cheap labour.
To people like O'Leary €€€€ >>> Irish people & Ireland

Michael O'Leary (unlike many other millionaire businessmen) is fully tax resident in the RoI and pays a sh!t lot of tax to the exchequer. He is more patriotic than many many other tax exiles we could mention. The aircraft are all Irish registered, no flags of convenience (Irish Ferries, Cyprus->Cypriot rates of pay) with Ryanair. Their staff are not on slave wages or anything like it, but their staff must be highly productive (see where O'Leary's distain for the inefficient public sector comes from) in order to earn their keep. Ryanair were able to expand (and hire staff, many Eastern European seeing as working for Ryanair was basically beneath the niveau Riche of Ireland) while Aer Lingus has been doing no hiring, just cutting its numbers to try to compete. If the Irish public sector was reformed along the lines if Aer Lingus it would save the taxpayer a fortune, and Aer Lingus isn't even a perfect model of efficiency like Ryanair, yet.

O'Leary is a doer, not a waffler like Cowen. I don't fly Ryanair anymore because I simply don't like them but that's irrelevant because enough people do like/tolerate them to fly with them and in turn keep Ryanair as one of the few really successful large Irish companies operating internationally.

Anyway, I believe the more important comments came from the Baltimore Tech founder! This guy and people like him will drag Ireland out of recession or NOBODY will, certainly not those seeking to maintain the uncompetitive cost base (high wages mostly). We need to get back to brass tacks and start exporting stuff. I'm like a broken record on here saying it but it's true so I won't shut up-if we don't get back to exporting things and growing indigenous companies who export innovative products and services, then we're going to be poor for the foreseeable future.

We need to act now for the sake of future generations.

Fix Irl inc

I wonder what Michael O Leary thinks of the remuneration that our temporary fire fighters in Ireland get (small country stations that are not full time) - Fair play its tough work but the payments they get is a joke.

A retainer of roughly €9000 per year is paid for the ordinary staff member just for being on standby, in other words, doing their own jobs - waiting on a call.

Once they are called out its €40 plus for the first hour they work and €20+ an hour there after - doubled that at the weekend of course.

Is it any wonder that if 2 cars slightly graze one another the temporary fire fighters are the first there - its great money for every call out.

Example 2 hours call out at the weekend and each one gets €120+. Do you think they are rushing home?

In Scotland for comparison - there is no retainer paid - it is seen as a mark of respect for the community - there is however a per hour rate of about £10

Maybe there is waste here? I am just guessing

Peanut

murphaph wrote: »

... We need to get back to brass tacks and start exporting stuff. I'm like a broken record on here saying it but it's true so I won't shut up-if we don't get back to exporting things and growing indigenous companies who export innovative products and services, then we're going to be poor for the foreseeable future.

Totally agree, there is too much focus in this country on encouraging business to serve local needs. That's ok when we have big multinationals growing our exports for us and creating real wealth, but now that that's reduced there is little to fall back on. I fear it's something mostly ingrained in the Irish psyche however, perhaps a hangover from the parochialism of the last century.

murphaph

Fix Irl inc wrote: »

I wonder what Michael O Leary thinks of the remuneration that our temporary fire fighters in Ireland get (small country stations that are not full time) - Fair play its tough work but the payments they get is a joke.

A retainer of roughly €9000 per year is paid for the ordinary staff member just for being on standby, in other words, doing their own jobs - waiting on a call.

Once they are called out its €40 plus for the first hour they work and €20+ an hour there after - doubled that at the weekend of course.

Is it any wonder that if 2 cars slightly graze one another the temporary fire fighters are the first there - its great money for every call out.

Example 2 hours call out at the weekend and each one gets €120+. Do you think they are rushing home?

In Scotland for comparison - there is no retainer paid - it is seen as a mark of respect for the community - there is however a per hour rate of about £10

Maybe there is waste here? I am just guessing

Lol, in Germany the volunteer firemen (Germany is similar to Ireland here-cities usually have a professional fire service, rural areas not) actually volunteer and get paid....nothing! Their employer however must by law allow them to leave on an emergency callout and can seek the employees wages back from the local government. It is called Ehrenamt in German when someone volunteers this sort of work for their community/country. Ehre means honour and Amt means 'position'. People who do this earn respect and nothing else-the way it's meant to be!

dresden8

Fix Irl inc wrote: »

I wonder what Michael O Leary thinks of the remuneration that our temporary fire fighters in Ireland get (small country stations that are not full time) - Fair play its tough work but the payments they get is a joke.

A retainer of roughly €9000 per year is paid for the ordinary staff member just for being on standby, in other words, doing their own jobs - waiting on a call.

Once they are called out its €40 plus for the first hour they work and €20+ an hour there after - doubled that at the weekend of course.

Is it any wonder that if 2 cars slightly graze one another the temporary fire fighters are the first there - its great money for every call out.

Example 2 hours call out at the weekend and each one gets €120+. Do you think they are rushing home?

In Scotland for comparison - there is no retainer paid - it is seen as a mark of respect for the community - there is however a per hour rate of about £10

Maybe there is waste here? I am just guessing

murphaph wrote: »

Lol, in Germany the volunteer firemen (Germany is similar to Ireland here-cities usually have a professional fire service, rural areas not) actually volunteer and get paid....nothing! Their employer however must by law allow them to leave on an emergency callout and can seek the employees wages back from the local government. It is called Ehrenamt in German when someone volunteers this sort of work for their community/country. Ehre means honour and Amt means 'position'. People who do this earn respect and nothing else-the way it's meant to be!

Off yis go lads, I'm sure there's positions for ye.

Don't forget to send the cheques back to the Collector General.

seclachi

Hes got a point, but countrys arent businesses, stuff like healthcare for all and the dole dont make any financial sense, so Id hate to see Michael O`Leary in charge. At the same time if they had some of his gaul they wouldnt be so afraid of there own shadows, and might have even told the banks to f**k off with the insane credit culture.

Fix Irl inc

Ehrenamt - as a business owner in this country paying taxes out my arse I feel like I have an ehrenamt!

Anita Blow

My suggestion, €7 billion in cuts.
€4 billion in permanent expenditure cuts as planned (until we return to positive growth)

Then we use the other €3 billion saved in cuts, as stimulus.
Going over 2004, VAT Returns were at over €10 billion. That means each vat point is worth about €470 million to the exchequer. You could reduce VAT to 19% and still have €1.36 billion in stimulus left. You could use that €1 billion to fund the stimulus for businesses that IBEC talks about and with that final €360 million you could shave another .5% off the VAT Rate and still have €130 million left to spend on limos between Terminals in Heathrow

erictheviking

Fix Irl inc wrote: »

Ehrenamt - as a business owner in this country paying taxes out my arse I feel like I have an ehrenamt!

As a worker in this country paying tax outa my arse and after years of hard work still just getting by I feel like I have an ehrenamt.
You don't have to be a business owner to do your bit. the ordinary working people work hard too!

Seth Brundle

Fix Irl inc wrote: »

Is it any wonder that if 2 cars slightly graze one another the temporary fire fighters are the first there - its great money for every call out.

tsk tsk, in a civilised country they would only come when someone calls for them :rolleyes:

Fix Irl inc

I agree - we are not the problem - its the stinking system that we have that is the problem

Darragh29

_Kooli_ wrote: »

Michael O'Leary.
Great man for cutting costs to put money in his pocket.

Next you'll be having to pay for web checkin into A&E while you wait. And if you happen to be stuck in hospital you can starve or pay €100 for dinner.

Or what about if your house is on fire. Ryanfire will put out the fire for you €10k a room. How many rooms would you like.

Or teaching your kids. Ryanteach will teach your kids. You have to pay €25 extra for a desk and €10 for a seat. If you want a teacher for any special needs, that will cost you more too.

So as long as you dont have an accident, a fire, a flood or need kids taught, he's yer man. He'll save you a fortune. Anyone else, start saving for your new life.

Every time I hear a government minister talking about where cuts and savings can be made, if they identify something that might save 10 million a year, they will say, "ah sure there is no point in talking about cutting that, it would ONLY save around 10 million a year"....

Contrast that with how Michael O' Leary cuts costs. He goes to whoever is supplying his aircraft with drinks and makes them throw in ice cubes with the deal FOR FREE, so he doesn't have to pay for ice cubes.

Maybe the individual saving is very small on a single flight, but cummulatively it makes a substantial saving. He identifies the small items that can be eliminated, for example boarding cards, and this is where the savings come from, when added to other savings.

This government knows nothing about how business savings are made, they look for headline items and only know how to target them. Then out of the other side of their gobs, they talk about "reform"...

And its the same mentality when it comes to creating jobs, the government only want the big headline job announcements, they haven't a clue, they should be supporting small businesses but they haven't the slightest clue how jobs are created.

blackbetty69

o leary made some good points there, love him or hate him he would be makin an effort to get the country out of this mess asap unlike the government if he was in charge.. once hes got an idea in his head hes goin to pursue it until its complete, so cowen and lenihan could learn a thing or two from him

Darragh29

blackbetty69 wrote: »

o leary made some good points there, love him or hate him he would be makin an effort to get the country out of this mess asap unlike the government if he was in charge.. once hes got an idea in his head hes goin to pursue it until its complete, so cowen and lenihan could learn a thing or two from him

His view of unions is especially worth looking at... His view is that if you want to run a business, then go down to the CRO, fill out the form with your 100 Euro attached, set up a company and prepare to be completely cruxified for a few years while you try to get your business off the ground...

If you get through that and get the business up and running and into profit, after all the work you have done and the risk you have taken, you're not going to allow someone come in and tell you how to run your business.

If they want to run a business, let them to down to the CRO (Companies Registration Office), and start from scratch and see how hard it is...

I fully agree with him and I've a huge issue with unelected and unproven unions (unproven in the sense of job creation), dictating to any business how it should be run.

Unions have a purpose, but there should be a line beyond which they should not be allowed to cross. Starting up and running a business is the hardest thing any person could ever take on and if you think you want to dicate to someone how their business should be run, then you should go off and try it and see how hard it actually is, AND RISK YOUR OWN MONEY, RELATIONSHIPS, SANITY, ETC.

Fix Irl inc

erictheviking wrote: »

As a worker in this country paying tax outa my arse and after years of hard work still just getting by I feel like I have an ehrenamt.
You don't have to be a business owner to do your bit. the ordinary working people work hard too!

blackbetty69 wrote: »

o leary made some good points there, love him or hate him he would be makin an effort to get the country out of this mess asap unlike the government if he was in charge.. once hes got an idea in his head hes goin to pursue it until its complete, so cowen and lenihan could learn a thing or two from him

18 months of a government just sitting on their hands waiting on the problems going away. Its like an :eek:ostrich:eek: with its head in the sand. Take the pain now and move on - hold our hands up - we all got carried away "Let he without sin". We need a fix and O Leary is right - take the 20 Billion now and move on. This is like a slow death. No balls being shown. :mad: It does not take an O Leary type to sort this mess out all we need is people who want to fix the mess - not people who want to bury their heads in the sand.

What would be so wrong with the IMF - this shower of idiots (all parties included) are only leading us further into the abyss