New Nissan Pixo

votejohn

Hey, any opinions on the new Nissan Pixo, they're under €10k!

http://www.nissan.ie/new_vehicles/overview.aspx?CarID=135

My sisters getting a car next year, she was probably looking to spend in or around €5k but I think she should go for the Pixo dince it'll be a brand new car, what ye think?

EPM

Look at a Suzuki alto also. Same car

Bonito

seen it today myself they look pretty funky,she should go for it,she'd prob get a 5 year warranty at least (not sure what nissan warranties are like)

EPM

Nissan are 3 year...

Carstuck

I must admit, they do look good for that price. Worth considering.

zilog_jones

It's cheap for a reason, don't expect any miracles in build quality or refinement (it's built by Maruti Suzuki in India along with the Alto). Also consider the Hyundai i10 and Aygo/C1/107.

Where will your sister be driving? Personally I think such small cars are too much of a compromise outside of the city, so if she's giong to be doing much long distance driving she would be much better off with a bigger car.

votejohn

she's a letting agent in cork city, so it'll be all short city commutes.
On the site it says if you buy at the nissan show you get a 3 year guarintee, but I assume they'll apply that regardless.

Ta for the feedback, ill advise her to go for it so.

Mailman

I drove one of these as a hire car for two days in Isle of Man about two months ago.
I didn't like it and was glad to hand it back. Not a case of snobbery. I like small cars but the PIXO just wasn't nice.
It appeared well made but not of great quality.
The boot was tiny.
The stereo and speakers weren't good. The stereo was very fiddly too.
The gear change wasn't great.
I didn't like the engine at all. It was very noisy, what's more the type of sound it produced was not pleasant.
The engine may claim 68bhp but it appeared to have no torque and struggled on the hills around the Island. I was constantly searching for the right gear.
It was easy on fuel. The hire company put 8 pounds of petrol in the car and told me to run the tank as near empty as possible; I didn't run out of fuel over the two days and I was going all over the island.
I drive a Panda regularly and the Panda is a much nicer car to drive with a sweeter engine which begs to be revved. The Panda is the best drivers car in that class. PIXO has best MPG in class but that isn't enough to recommend it to anyone.
If it were me I'd be looking for a nearly new Panda, Aygo/C1/107 or i10 in preference to the PIXO. Strike that, if it were me, I'd be getting an '03 or '04 low mileage Panda for €3500 and I'd spend what's left over on myself because it's still a better car than the PIXO.
For €9995 you can get year old cars from a class above this as well.

high horse

The new Pixo reminds me of the Cityrover a lot

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Lord Trollington

Mailman wrote: »

I drove one of these as a hire car for two days in Isle of Man about two months ago.
I didn't like it and was glad to hand it back. Not a case of snobbery. I like small cars but the PIXO just wasn't nice.
It appeared well made but not of great quality.
The boot was tiny.
The stereo and speakers weren't good. The stereo was very fiddly too.
The gear change wasn't great.
I didn't like the engine at all. It was very noisy, what's more the type of sound it produced was not pleasant.
The engine may claim 68bhp but it appeared to have no torque and struggled on the hills around the Island. I was constantly searching for the right gear.
It was easy on fuel. The hire company put 8 pounds of petrol in the car and told me to run the tank as near empty as possible; I didn't run out of fuel over the two days and I was going all over the island.
I drive a Panda regularly and the Panda is a much nicer car to drive with a sweeter engine which begs to be revved. The Panda is the best drivers car in that class. PIXO has best MPG in class but that isn't enough to recommend it to anyone.
If it were me I'd be looking for a nearly new Panda, Aygo/C1/107 or i10 in preference to the PIXO. Strike that, if it were me, I'd be getting an '03 or '04 low mileage Panda for €3500 and I'd spend what's left over on myself because it's still a better car than the PIXO.
For €9995 you can get year old cars from a class above this as well.

Ha ha ha, I've heard it all. Giving out about the Nissan Pixo in one sentence, and admitting you drive a Fiat Panda in the next.
Is it Yellow too by any chance?

Simple fact is buy a Panda, but you wont be able to sell raffle tickets for it when you want to get rid of it, or upgrade.
No on will want it, only a self confessed Fiat driver.

The reason the engine is noisy is because its a 3 cylinder engine, similarly in the Aygo,C1 and 107 are also 3 cylinder engines. so they will all be noisy also.

A Fiat Panda is available in 1.1, 1.2 1.3 4 cylinder engine, it is €12k+ from new so your not comparing like with like.

The Pixo has the best MPG, Low CO2 emmissions making it €104 to tax for the year and is €2,000 cheaper than a Panda and will sell much better second hand.

The 107 and C1 are the same car, but again is more expensive from new.

Similarly with the Aygo.

Mailman

Troll! Troll! Troll!
I own a Red Panda Eleganza which I drive from time to time and my daily drive is a 2.5 litre Rover 75.
The Panda Eco starts at 10995 before you start negotiating discount off RRP and falls in to the same tax bracket as the PIXO.
You obviously don't know your small cars and don't have any familiarity with either car.

edit: €11205 since price increase

Lord Trollington

The Fiat Panda Starts at €11,205(not including metallic paint) + Delivery and dealer charges which is usually around €800-900.

The Pixo Starts at €9,895 + the normal charges also of dealer and metallic paint.

I'm very familiar with both cars, having driven both like yourself. I have also driven the
C1, 107, Aygo, Fiat 500, Panda, Alto, Ford Ka, Kia Picanto, Hyundai i10, VW lupo all cars which are in the same segement, however some are much higher than others on price.

I know my small cars very well actually

Mailman

and you know the Suzuki Alto is 1500 quid more expensive than the Nissan, made by Suzuki and there is no hope of negotiating a discount on the Pixo where plenty is discount can be negotiated on all other cars in the class except perhaps the Picanto which just dropped below 10K this week.

If you knew your small cars so well you would have known the Panda is in the lowest tax band with the PIXO.

Troll! OP was looking for help and you jump on a thread trying to be a smartarse.

Lord Trollington

Mailman wrote: »

and you know the Suzuki Alto is 1500 quid more expensive than the Nissan, made by Suzuki and there is no hope of negotiating a discount on the Pixo where plenty is discount can be negotiated on all other cars in the class except perhaps the Picanto which just dropped below 10K this week.

If you knew your small cars so well you would have known the Panda is in the lowest tax band with the PIXO.

Troll! OP was looking for help and you jump on a thread trying to be a smartarse.

I never said the Panda wasnt in the Lowest tax bracket, i merely said the Pixo was, i never commented on the tax bracket the Panda was in whatsoever.

The Pixo cant be discounted at the moment i believe as supply of the model isn't great.That doenst mean some dealers wont give you a discount.
It comes with 3 years warranty and 3 years servicing is purchased before 10th December.

Indeed the OP was looking for advice, you said the Pixo was noisy, I informed as to why it had a noisy engine.

Your not comparing like with like as the Panda starts with a 1.1 engine, is 4 cylinder and less MPG,It is also more expensive.

Also the one you hired in the Isle of Man wont be of the same spec to the Irish cars.

Mailman

You silly person. The first person who happens along with actual experience of a new model of car over a period of time longer than a test drive gives an opinion and you try to make it appear that you know more about the car than them.
To the OP, disregard Whycliff; he'll lead you astray.
Don't buy the PIXO. Most cars in the same class are better than the PIXO, can be bought for not much more and their fuel economy is only marginally worse.

Drummerboy08

Right. As someone who drove the first ever Pixo to land in this country, lets put an end to some myths.

Firstly, the build quality. Yes, its built by Suzuki, but that isnt neccessarily a bad thing. The Swift is a fantastic car. The Pixo feels solid enough inside. Everything is where it should be, nothing feels soft, and it the dash looks alright.

It drives like a small, 1.0 engined car. Its not going to win any races, beat a Focus RS in the corners, or anything else for that matter.

Now, I think some here are missing the point. The Pixo is marketed as cheap and cheerful. Its aimed at people who dont care about looks, speed, handling, or resale. Its marketed at people who just want a small, cheap car.

Now, to the discounts. Believe me, the margin on the Pixo is very, very tight. But this is a classic case of "Oh, what discount will I get though, blah blah blah" Its the cheapest car in Ireland, why would you be looking for discounts. There is cery limited stock of the Pixo, so discount will be very small until the new year at least. I'd still find it hard to get a similar car at a much cheaper price.

Lord Trollington

I too drove one of the first Pixo's to land in Ireland.

I'm not telling the OP to buy a Pixo, i'm giving the OP the facts.
Only thing i've said on here is facts, you have been putting out personal opinions which dont get me wrong is fine, but i'm not the one leading anyone astray.
You did after all tell the OP to buy and 03/04 Fiat Panda.

The reason the Pixo was noisy : it has a 3 cylinder engine.
The reason the Panda is less noisy : it has a 4 cylinder.

I said the Pixo has Low CO2 emmissions and was €104 to tax.
It has a 3 cylinder engine like the C1,Aygo and 107, which are more expensive and have less MPG,
It is also a well known FACT that Fiats do not hold their value(what does in current climate) and generally most dealerships hate to see them coming as a trade in.

what is misleading anyone with that information?

What are you basing your opinion on that most cars in the same class as the Pixo are better?

Mailman

If the PIXO was so great it'd be outselling the Panda, Aygo and i10 through the scrappage scheme in the UK. It's not. It's also the cheapest car on the market in the UK too but that hasn't translated in to sales success.
I drove the car with an open mind and was looking forward to hiring it for 2 days but was left under-impressed as I had experience of a car which does better everything the PIXO does. I was glad to hand that car back.
It isn't cheap and cheerful, it is cheap and adequate. Many other cars in the same class pull off the trick of cheap and cheerful much better than the PIXO.

Lord Trollington

Uk market and Irish Market are completely different, that arguement is balls.

Some Manufacturers that sell well in the UK dont do well in Ireland.

Nissan'S market share in the uk is around 4.0%-4.5% in Ireland it is around 9.5%- 10% market share.

Toyota's Market share in the UK is 4.8% with the like of Renault and Peugeot ahead of them in terms of market share.

Toyota are the top selling manufacturer in Ireland.

Again it is your opinion that other cars are better than it, without backing it up with facts.
The fact is the Pixo is the cheapest new car in the Irish market at the moment.

I could guarantee you now, if a scrappage scheme was introduced Pixo would sell in the bucket loads in Ireland.

Mailman

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

Now, to the discounts. Believe me, the margin on the Pixo is very, very tight. But this is a classic case of "Oh, what discount will I get though, blah blah blah" Its the cheapest car in Ireland, why would you be looking for discounts. There is cery limited stock of the Pixo, so discount will be very small until the new year at least. I'd still find it hard to get a similar car at a much cheaper price.

An, arrrah, shure it will do attitude applies no more to the sub-supermini class than it does to B or C size class.
If it did, we'd all be driving Chevrolet Lacettis
The only purchasers in Ireland who seem to go for the cheapest vehicle in a class are the hire car companies because people who are buying for themselves won't buy them and lease fleet managers would get an earful from the leasees if they offered them a lacetti when they were expecting a Golf or Focus.

Mailman

whycliff wrote: »

Uk market and Irish Market are completely different, that arguement is balls.

Some Manufacturers that sell well in the UK dont do well in Ireland.

Nissan'S market share in the uk is around 4.0%-4.5% in Ireland it is around 9.5%- 10% market share.

Toyota's Market share in the UK is 4.8% with the like of Renault and Peugeot ahead of them in terms of market share.

Again it is your opinion that other cars are better than it, without backing it up with facts.
The fact is the Pixo is the cheapest new car in the Irish market at the moment.

Nissan UK aren't getting their market share out of the PIXO and that's for sure.
Stop trying to champion the case of a very ordinary car.

I'm off now. I've got a life to lead.

Lord Trollington

Mailman wrote: »

Nissan UK aren't getting their market share out of the PIXO and that's for sure.
Stop trying to champion the case of a very ordinary car.

I'm off now. I've got a life to lead.

I dont need to champion the case for it, you'll see in time with the sales figures for it. Also depending on availibility.

Your off becuase you haven't a clue what your talking about and i've just handed your ar*e to you!!!

bazz26

I'd rather spend my money on this (assuming you don't need the extra doors):

http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=200943195578663

zilog_jones

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

Firstly, the build quality. Yes, its built by Suzuki, but that isnt neccessarily a bad thing. The Swift is a fantastic car.

The Swift is built by Suzuki in Japan and Hungary. The Alto and Pixo are built by Maruti Suzuki in India. Suzuki themselves are as good as any other Japanese manufacturers in terms of quality, but the same cannot be said about their Indian subsidiary. I haven't any experience with the current Alto/Pixo but the old Altos were junk. I guess they could have improved since then but still there is that doubt...

Mailman wrote: »

The engine may claim 68bhp but it appeared to have no torque and struggled on the hills around the Island.

That doesn't sound great for driving around Cork city then!

andrewdeerpark

Remember people since Nissan were taken over by Renault they share designs and car parts - reliability down

Nissan currently have 1 (yes 1) decent car the Quashqai.

They have the ugliest mass production seller in the market the Tida, not on sale in UK (because Clarkson would destroy it I assume). Yet the stupid Irish buy it on mass (steep discounts help) - in the segiment with the Golf and Focus MAD.

The Micra is a shape not liked, nor not a reliable as the old one.

The Primera was never liked and aged badly

All those jeeps and crew cabs are margin sellers.

Not surprised to see Suzuki are making this one, so in summation Nissan Europe seem to me like a company out of Ideas.

Lord Trollington

Nissan an Renault dont share designs, i think that is pretty clear from the products that both have on the Market.
The do however share the 1.5 Diesel engine at the moment.
They have quiet a number of new products coming on board over the next number of years.
The recently launched the PIXO.

And have also launched the NV200 Vanette.

International Van of the year 2010.


In the pipline is a new micra towards the end of 2010/early 2011. Its looks quiet good.
I agree the Micra shape is dated,it was launched in 2003, most cars have 7-8 years shelf life before a new model is launched.
Whilst you say the shape isn't liked, it still sells in good numbers.



There is also a new model coming out based on the Qashqai called the Qazana.
Due out in early 2011 i believe.


Nissan will also be one of the first brands in Ireland to offer a fully electric Car in conjunction with the ESB. Called the Nissan Leaf.
It will be a Zero emmission car, if you look it up its quiet impressive.


It has in its ranks one of the best selling cars in Ireland at the moment.
It enjoys a 10% amrket share in Ireland, not equaled anywhere in Europe.
I'm not here to sell Nissan, but i do want to say that Nissan are in fact not a company out of idea's, quiet the opposite.

All these cars you say were never like always sold relly well, and had good reliability.

The reason the Tiida is not for sale in the UK is becasue as was stated earlier the UK market is different to that of the Irish Market, the UK market feel that the Qashqai is the replacement for the Almera where as in Ireland the Qashqai has created a whole new segement.

Zonda999

whycliff wrote: »

And have also launched the NV200 Vanette.

International Van of the year 2010.

My GOD, thats a hideous looking thing. I hope it aint as slow as the old vanette cargo either, 0-60 in about 30 seconds

**shudders**

I wouldnt say nissan cars are really on the way down but there market certainly has changed, they dont have one car now that i would call exciting, thats in the common market(So thats excluding the 370Z and the GT-R). About ten years ago that was a different story..

JHMEG

Not a looker, but better looking than the current 3-series.

andrewdeerpark

Fairly comprehensive post whycliff

I will pick through your main points and respond:

Carlos Ghosen is in charge of both and to cut costs they have reduced their component suppliers between the marques usually picking the cheapest. The perception in the market I have from talking to mechanics, is that the Nissan quality has dropped over the last few years however on the plus side Renaults has improved slightly, also (slightly off point but being fair)Toyota quality has also dropped slightly.

The 1.5 Diesel they share is a plus point for both marques.

The current Micra sells ok however it has not the legendary reliability of the older one plus the costs of replacing its tyres are higher than other cars in its sector.

While all the pictures you displayed are pretty I will adopt a wait and see approach in particular regarding the “green” electric car.

My big gripe with Nissan is the Tida – it is a lazy design where the engineers looked at what the opposition had on offer (Focus, Golf) decided they could not better it (or even come close!) and kicked for touch with a car designed by accountants. Plus there is no excuse for the lateness of the Primera’s replacement. These are the 2 big competitive segments where Nissan is currently not competing.

I still believe Nissan are well behind VW, Ford, Toyota (excluding luxury marques) remembering it used be a tier 1 mass production car manufacturer now it’s definitely Tier 2 at best.

zilog_jones

whycliff wrote: »

Nissan will also be one of the first brands in Ireland to offer a fully electric Car in conjunction with the ESB ...
It will be a Zero emmission car...

Yes, because there's zero emissions coming from Moneypoint, Poolbeg, etc...

All these cars you say were never like always sold relly well, and had good reliability.

The current Primera and Micra have gone downhill reliability-wise compared to their (pre-Renault) predecessors.

...the UK market feel that the Qashqai is the replacement for the Almera...

The Note was the replacement for the Almera, the Qashqai is more of a replacement for the Primera which was dropped in the UK in 2006 due to lack of sales.

Lord Trollington

zilog_jones wrote: »

Yes, because there's zero emissions coming from Moneypoint, Poolbeg, etc...


The current Primera and Micra have gone downhill reliability-wise compared to their (pre-Renault) predecessors.


The Note was the replacement for the Almera, the Qashqai is more of a replacement for the Primera which was dropped in the UK in 2006 due to lack of sales.

The note isn't a replacement for the Almera, The tiida is a replacement for the Almera in Ireland.
The Note was developed to directly compete with the Renault Modus,Opel Meriva.

The Primera replacement is coming in 2 years, its not known if its to be called Primera or not just yet.

The Qashqai was just launched, not intended as a replacement to anything.

I agree the current Primera and Micra have gone back a little in terms of reliability but that was against the very high standards that previous models had set.
The new micra against it competitors like the corsa,clio,fiesta still has the best reliability.
Similar can be said for the Primera.

Regarding the Tiida, its was launched in America few years and is called the Nissan Versa. It was never meant for the Irish market initially and Ireland was one of the first European countries to bring it into Europe due to the popularity of the Almera in Ireland and as a replacement of sorts for it.

It was developed for the North American and Canadian Market.
It was never developed for Europe as a competitor for the Golf or Focus where they sell in big numbers.

The Nissan Qashqai currently outsells the Golf and Focus in Ireland.
The Tiida doenst have to compete with them in that case, Nissan Already had one that beats them.

EPM

The cashcow was intended to replace both the almera and primera. Some spiel about changing market tastes was used at the time

Lord Trollington

EPM wrote: »

The cashcow was intended to replace both the almera and primera. Some spiel about changing market tastes was used at the time

How was it intended to replace the Almera and Primera when the Qashqai and Tiida were both launched in 2007 in Ireland and a new Primera is coming out in 2 years time?

EPM

That was the line given prior to its launch. From what I've heard the tiida was more an after thought for the markets that like small saloons, i.e. us and eastern Europe

Lord Trollington

It replaced the Almera on the production line, but was never intended as a replacement for the Almera in Ireland.
Pricing wise, an Almera was €20,000, a Qashqai is €6,000 more expensive, how could it ever replace it to the Almera buyers?
In terms of price it replaced the Primera as they are similar in price, but styling wise they could not be much different.
It didnt however replace the Primera as there is a new model in the Pipeline, so it was just launched, not replacing anything.

Top Dog

andrewdeerpark wrote: »

They have the ugliest mass production seller in the market the Tida, not on sale in UK (because Clarkson would destroy it I assume).

The Tida isn't particularly ugly, it suffers more from being bland and boring. If you want ugly have a look at the Ssangyong offerings to the Irish market

Guy:Incognito

votejohn wrote: »

she's a letting agent in cork city, so it'll be all short city commutes.
On the site it says if you buy at the nissan show you get a 3 year guarintee, but I assume they'll apply that regardless.

Ta for the feedback, ill advise her to go for it so.

Just saw the ad there, it's 3 years servicing you get with it if you buy at the show.

Mailman

whycliff wrote: »

I dont need to champion the case for it, you'll see in time with the sales figures for it. Also depending on availibility.

Your off becuase you haven't a clue what your talking about and i've just handed your ar*e to you!!!

Christ, you're still arguing about this throughout the day while I've been down the country visiting family and friends.
You need to remember that rule number one for a troll is to expend as little effort as possible while wasting other peoples time, not your own : )
With the exception of their Sports Cars there is nothing in the current Nissan line-up worth getting worked up about.

Drummerboy08

There's so much bullsh1t floating around in this thread its unreal.

Saab Ed

whycliff wrote: »

Simple fact is buy a Panda, but you wont be able to sell raffle tickets for it when you want to get rid of it, or upgrade.
No on will want it, only a self confessed Fiat driver.

Eh!!! No. Pandas are great little sellers second hand. They easily outsell the C1/107/Aygo on a used fore court and reletaive to their new cost they'll actualy get you a better return percentage wise on your initial investment compared to the competition.

NLane

Mailman wrote: »

With the exception of their Sports Cars there is nothing in the current Nissan line-up worth getting worked up about.

agreed... in fact i reckon the current nissan line-up is prob the ugliest of all those on the irish market at the mo! never been the biggest nissan fan myself, but their latest offerings really take the mickey!

zilog_jones

whycliff wrote: »

The note isn't a replacement for the Almera, The tiida is a replacement for the Almera in Ireland.
The Note was developed to directly compete with the Renault Modus,Opel Meriva.

I don't think they originally intended to bring the Tiida to Europe at all, as EPM said with the Qashqai et al they were giving the impression they thought they didn't have to cohere to the traditional car market segments. Otherwise why didn't they just phase out the Almera in 2004 and start building the Tiida in NMUK back then, instead of letting the Almera get long in the tooth and leaving us with no small family saloon/hatchback for half a year, only to bring in a model already three years old. Seems like they made a balls of the European market IMO.

The Primera replacement is coming in 2 years, its not known if its to be called Primera or not just yet.

The Qashqai was just launched, not intended as a replacement to anything.

You were talking about the UK market, which is what I was replying to. They phased out the Primera there in 2006, so the Qashqai pretty much was the replacement there.

The new micra against it competitors like the corsa,clio,fiesta still has the best reliability.
Similar can be said for the Primera.

A dubious claim, also including glaring omissions of Mazda, Toyota and Honda who also have competing models6.

Regarding the Tiida, its was launched in America few years and is called the Nissan Versa...
It was developed for the North American and Canadian Market...

It was developed for the East Asian market. It was out in Japan two years before North America. "Subcompacts" for the North American market are pretty much an afterthought, they will never be great sellers as they are too small for the mass market there.

Lord Trollington

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

There's so much bullsh1t floating around in this thread its unreal.

Like what drummerboy, thats a very vague statement...

Lord Trollington

Mailman wrote: »

Christ, you're still arguing about this throughout the day while I've been down the country visiting family and friends.
You need to remember that rule number one for a troll is to expend as little effort as possible while wasting other peoples time, not your own : )
With the exception of their Sports Cars there is nothing in the current Nissan line-up worth getting worked up about.

I see you follow all the trade marks of a person who hasn't a clue what there talking about by not expanding on any point he/she makes.

Mailman

What age are you?

Saab Ed

Ahhhhh the pain...it hurts:D

Please lock this up just to make the pain go away....

Lord Trollington

Age is irrelevent in any discussion or arguement....

Saab Ed

whycliff wrote: »

Age is irrelevent in any discussion or arguement....

Not if she's 17 and he's 18 :eek::D

Drummerboy08

Mailman wrote: »

The only purchasers in Ireland who seem to go for the cheapest vehicle in a class are the hire car companies because people who are buying for themselves won't buy them

The idea of rental companies buying cheap cars is to offer the cheapest rates possible. If they all bought VW Polo's the daily and monthly rental costs would be through the roof. Its simple business.

and lease fleet managers would get an earful from the leasees if they offered them a lacetti when they were expecting a Golf or Focus.

This just proves to me that you dont really know what your talking about. Fleet managers dont decide who gets what car. Thats up to the customer to decide what car he wants.

Mailman wrote: »

Nissan UK aren't getting their market share out of the PIXO and that's for sure.

This doesnt really apply to the Irish market, as the Pixo has just been released. We'll find out how popular the Pixp is to become in the next 12-18 months.

andrewdeerpark wrote: »

The Micra is a shape not liked, nor not a reliable as the old one.

The current Micra is one of the most popular cars in Ireland. How you came up with the above statement is beyond me.

andrewdeerpark wrote: »

The current Micra sells ok however it has not the legendary reliability of the older one plus the costs of replacing its tyres are higher than other cars in its sector.

They're 15" tyres FFS! They cost 60 quid a corner to replace!

zilog_jones wrote: »

Yes, because there's zero emissions coming from Moneypoint, Poolbeg, etc...

That's something the ESB need to look at, not Nissan.

Mailman wrote: »

The engine may claim 68bhp but it appeared to have no torque

This little jem I kept till last. Its a 1.0 supermini FFS! What did you expect from it?! To drag the whole Isle of Man back to the mainland??!

Mailman

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

The idea of rental companies buying cheap cars is to offer the cheapest rates possible. If they all bought VW Polo's the daily and monthly rental costs would be through the roof. Its simple business.

You should see how pissed off my German Colleagues have been when they got Chevys in Dublin Airport.

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

This just proves to me that you dont really know what your talking about. Fleet managers dont decide who gets what car. Thats up to the customer to decide what car he wants.

I know this well. Fleet managers can't take a back-hander from the distributor on Primeras or Sonatas and force them upon Leasees when the Customer wants a Black Passat TDi with Chrome.

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

This doesnt really apply to the Irish market, as the Pixo has just been released. We'll find out how popular the Pixp is to become in the next 12-18 months.

Actually the i10 was a hit from day one in the UK and month by month you can see it in the UK top ten best selling vehicles. It took a few months to get stocks in but once supply came on stream they sold like hotcakes. The PIXO has been on sale long enough for it to have been proved a hit or miss. It's a miss.

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

This little jem I kept till last. Its a 1.0 supermini FFS! What did you expect from it?! To drag the whole Isle of Man back to the mainland??!

No, that's the thing. I have experience of a 60bhp engine in the Panda, a 63bhp engine in a Mini and around the same in Micras and Yarises.
None of them prepared me for the complete absence of torque in the PIXO.

EPM

Mailman wrote: »

I know this well. Fleet managers can't take a back-hander from the distributor on Primeras or Sonatas and force them upon Leasees when the Customer wants a Black Passat TDi with Chrome.

They won't have a customer base if they try forcing things on the people that keep them in business