Warning certain dietary goods bought online contain steroids

ronbyrne2005

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/1120/1224259179474.html

King of Kings

[****e late for work - couldn't finish post]

TrueMass

King of Kings wrote: »

nah you get what you pay for - if you read the ingredients and don't take something you don't understand you'll be fine.
A bit of personal responsibility is required.

The main difference is that what we take in ireland prescription free is much more regulated than the US where bodybuilding.com is based.

Free steroids? wow that article is as lame and lazy as george hook claiming a large proportion of creatine had steroids.Who can afford to pump steroids (that cost a wedge of cash) into a supplement that is cheap as chips.

Back to the article - that was written in 30mins with 1 phonecall to The IMB.
easy money for the journalist.

where was the counter from bodybuilding.com or a doctor or a person who took the "steroids"?

I agree with most of what you are saying, it is about personal responsibility and of course they dont contain steroids as the cost effect is too large as you stated, however there are so much Bullsh!t products sold in America that could contain anything from cheap pro hormones to sand. There is no regulation there at all and at the olympia there was a lot of talk about the FBi conducting raids on large supplement sellers.

Roper

Unless a tub cost €600 I call bull****. Lazy journalism.

rubadub

Roper wrote: »

Unless a tub cost €600 I call bull****.

Yep, like the stories of drug dealers giving out free heroin at the school gates, I have been around every single school in dublin trying to score a free hit, and each and every time the bloke turns out to be a paedophile. At least the media are half right, sure why let the truth get in the way of a sale.

g'em

From the FDA website:

IDS Sports Dietary Supplements - Recall

Audience: Consumers

[Posted 11/17/2009] IDS Sports and FDA notified consumers that five of the IDS's dietary supplement products (Bromodrol, Dual Action Grow Tabs, Grow Tabs, Mass Tabs, and Ripped Tabs TR) contain the following undeclared substances, which FDA considers to be steroids: “Madol,” “Turinabol,” “Superdrol,” and/or “Androstenedione.”

Acute liver injury is known to be a possible harmful effect of using steroid-containing products. In addition, steroids may cause other serious long-term adverse health consequences in men, women, and children. These include shrinkage of the testes and male infertility, masculinization of women, breast enlargement in males, short stature in children, a higher predilection to misuse other drugs and alcohol, adverse effects on blood lipid levels, and increased risk of heart attack, stroke, and death.

The recalled products were distributed in either black boxes containing blister packs of 60 capsules or white bottles with black labels containing 30 or 60 capsules.

Customers who have any of the products in their possession should stop using them immediately and contact their physician if they have experienced any problems that may be related to using the products. Any adverse events that may be related to use should be reported to the FDA's MedWatch Safety Information and Adverse Event Reporting Program online [at www.fda.gov/MedWatch/report.htm], by phone 1-800-332-1088, or by returning the postage-paid FDA form 3500 [which may be downloaded from the MedWatch "Download Forms" page] by mail [to address on the pre-addressed form] or fax [1-800-FDA-0178].

[11/12/2009 - Press Release - IDS Sports]

FunkZ

Didn't read the article. But don't most Pro Hormones that you can easily get from England very cheaply only have minor changes from steroids to make them legal?

Roper

Well the FDA are hardly a bastion of accuracy. They're willing to be bought out if a large company releases a cholesterol free cooking oil that "may cause anal seepage" (true story) or when someone thinks their latest sweetener should be on the market just that little bit quicker, inspite of tests to the contrary. Then they and pretty much every other government around the world have knee jerk reactions to all sorts of dietary "scares" drummed up by the meeja.

kevpants

In fairness if these substances would cause a failed drugs test then it needs to be reported. I don't know if they would or not.

On the other hand any tested athlete who consumes something called "grow tabs" they bought on the internet is an idiot.

rubadub

contain the following undeclared substances, which FDA considers to be steroids: “Madol,” “Turinabol,” “Superdrol,” and/or “Androstenedione.”

Acute liver injury is known to be a possible harmful effect of using steroid-containing products. In addition, steroids may cause other serious long-term adverse health consequences in men, women, and children. These include shrinkage of the testes and male infertility, masculinization of women, breast enlargement in males, short stature in children, a higher predilection to misuse other drugs and alcohol, adverse effects on blood lipid levels, and increased risk of heart attack, stroke, and death

Was there any mention of the concentration? I expect as usual it is bare traces, so the risk of "liver injury" is extremely negligible.

http://msds.chem.ox.ac.uk/CH/chlorine.html

Safety data for chlorine

Toxicology
Toxic by inhalation, ingestion and through skin contact. Inhalation can cause serious lung damage and may be fatal. 1000ppm (0.1%) is likely to be fatal after a few deep breaths, and half that concentration fatal after a few minutes. May irritate or burn skin.

GET THE KIDS OUT OF THE POOL NOW!!!!

Kev M

That's a good comprehensive list of steroids they've come up with there, and let's be straight: trenadrol,superdrol,halodrol,p-plex,x-tren etc. are all steroids (designer-steroids if you want a nice name). So they're telling us "warning - your steroids may contain steroids"...
If these are all discontinued (which most have been), more people will just start using the 'real thing'...

g'em

Kev M wrote: »

If these are all discontinued (which most have been), more people will just start using the 'real thing'...

nah, they won't. The 'real thing' is still much more expensive and more difficult to obtain. Prohormones have been a relative success because they promise (and fail) to deliver Anabolic Steroid effects without the AS and so you don't compromise on your clean bill of drug health if you're tested, and don't have the same AS side effects.

These will be discontinued, new formulas will be made, and more folk will end up spending silly money on placebos.

Kev M

rubadub wrote: »

Was there any mention of the concentration? I expect as usual it is bare traces, so the risk of "liver injury" is extremely negligible[URL="http://"][/URL]

A few weeks on 20mg+ a day superdrol would beat the crap out of your liver... It's a methylated steroid like...
Tri-methyl X is probably the most liver toxic on that list.

Kev M

g'em wrote: »

nah, they won't. The 'real thing' is still much more expensive and more difficult to obtain. Prohormones have been a relative success because they promise (and fail) to deliver Anabolic Steroid effects without the AS and so you don't compromise on your clean bill of drug health if you're tested, and don't have the same AS side effects.

These will be discontinued, new formulas will be made, and more folk will end up spending silly money on placebos.

G'em, I hate to call you out on this because you're on the money 99.9% of the time, but few things on that list are placebos.. These drugs are very effective..

g'em

Don't get me wrong - the pulled substances are drugs! But these are only a few products on the whole Prohormone market. What I mean is the "official drugs" will get pulled and new products will be made which are touted to do the same thing (and won't... because they're AS free )

rubadub

Kev M wrote: »

A few weeks on 20mg+ a day superdrol would beat the crap out of your liver... It's a methylated steroid like...
Tri-methyl X is probably the most liver toxic on that list.

Ah right, I thought it was inferring it was contaminated with illegal products not listed, which I presumed would be trace amounts.

it said

dietary supplement products (Bromodrol, Dual Action Grow Tabs, Grow Tabs, Mass Tabs, and Ripped Tabs TR) contain the following undeclared substances, which FDA considers to be steroids: “Madol,” “Turinabol,” “Superdrol,” and/or “Androstenedione.”

So are these undeclared, or declared under a different name or something?

justsomebloke

I'd be interested to know how traces of these substances got into the products.


edit: side note what the fcuk are people buying these days I reading the non banned products here going wtf

john_cappa

Kev M wrote: »

That's a good comprehensive list of steroids they've come up with there, and let's be straight: trenadrol,superdrol,halodrol,p-plex,x-tren etc. are all steroids (designer-steroids if you want a nice name). So they're telling us "warning - your steroids may contain steroids"...
If these are all discontinued (which most have been), more people will just start using the 'real thing'...

Considering the "real thing" is cheaper and has alot more associated research so this may be a good thing.
I notice alot of people with zero knowledge of cycle support and PCT are taking prohormones.

Kev M wrote: »

A few weeks on 20mg+ a day superdrol would beat the crap out of your liver... It's a methylated steroid like...
Tri-methyl X is probably the most liver toxic on that list.

Obviously it would have effect on your liver but i think there is a lot of scare mongering about how bad it really would be. If you take the proper precautions then there is little problems and i would be of the opinion that it would be much better for your liver than going on the piss for a a day every week end

eroo

Tbh, as kevpants said.. anyone who buys any of those ridiculous products does so because they are idiots. They sound like something cooked up in someones bathtub. Something with a name like 'Black China Labs Straight Drol', 'Diabolic Labs Revenge', 'Ripped Tabs', 'Rage RV 2-5' or 'Monster Caps' hardly inspires confidence.

I'm currently brewing my own brand, Anabollix Muscle Mountain Terror Caps Revenge III.4.

70 euro for 10 caps.. any takers?

john_cappa

eroo wrote: »

Tbh, as kevpants said.. anyone who buys any of those ridiculous products does so because they are idiots. They sound like something cooked up in someones bathtub. Something with a name like 'Black China Labs Straight Drol', 'Diabolic Labs Revenge', 'Ripped Tabs', 'Rage RV 2-5' or 'Monster Caps' hardly inspires confidence.

I'm currently brewing my own brand, Anabollix Muscle Mountain Terror Caps Revenge III.4.

70 euro for 10 caps.. any takers?

They sound like something cooked up in a bath tub? see know you believing all the media hype........

Many of the brands listed on the imb website are good brands such as I force, competitive edge, etc. They are all well known high quality DS. I have one of them at home actually.

The problem is that they are not legal in Ireland and have been marketed as dietary supplements.

DS are an expensive alternative to the "real" thing which suits many people who have source problems. FDA are clamping down big time and have banned manufacture of many of the DS in the US. Several of the large suppliers in the UK have stock piled supplies lol!

injured365

Is it just me or does an article like this seem to come up every few months??? Usually a tiny % of supplements are found to have hormones or steroids in them and some enterprising journalist turns it into supplements being the devils work!
Fair enough this article is more specific than most of them but at the end it says that buying supplements online is bad. The reality is that buying online is the same as buying in a shop.....only buy brands/products that you know and trust from reputable sellers/shops.

Most of the products the have listed sound more like a gillette razor than a supplement anyway!!!

jambi

injured365 wrote: »

Is it just me or does an article like this seem to come up every few months???

or an old story rehashed by some lazy hack looking to drum up copy.

FDA warning was issued in July.

King of Kings

TrueMass wrote: »

I agree with most of what you are saying, it is about personal responsibility and of course they dont contain steroids as the cost effect is too large as you stated, however there are so much Bullsh!t products sold in America that could contain anything from cheap pro hormones to sand. There is no regulation there at all and at the olympia there was a lot of talk about the FBi conducting raids on large supplement sellers.

LOL - how did you get the quote form me in....I'd it saved for 3 secs!
Deleted it to re-write and then saw the time....LOL

sunnyjim

kevpants wrote:

In fairness if these substances would cause a failed drugs test then it needs to be reported. I don't know if they would or not.

They did, and they do - apparently. A analytical chemist I was working with a while back used to work for IOC, in their Moscow labs, on top of other labs and tox-shops around the world. This guy was top of his game in with regards to hormone/steroidal abuse, and taking piss-and-blood tests apart. He's convinced that as our limits of detection and quantification get lower, more and more athletes will be caught with stuff in their system from taking off the shelf products.

Roper wrote: »

Unless a tub cost €600 I call bull****. Lazy journalism.

Business is business. If a company can get away without having to take extra precautions to ensure certain compounds don't get in, they will. A simple process for making whey etc requires simple QC. A more thorough process requires more thorough QC, QA and the money that goes along with it.

Kev M

john_cappa wrote: »

Considering the "real thing" is cheaper and has alot more associated research so this may be a good thing. That's what I find funny about the whole thing.
I notice alot of people with zero knowledge of cycle support and PCT are taking prohormones. Yep, but there are plenty of people on the 'real thing' with even less knowledge.





Obviously it would have effect on your liver but i think there is a lot of scare mongering about how bad it really would be. If you take the proper precautions then there is little problems and i would be of the opinion that it would be much better for your liver than going on the piss for a a day every week end.
Definitely, the liver problem is a secondary issue in my mind. The big problem with DS's is that they'll shut down your natural test just like the 'real thing'.. and for a clueless dude who does a 6-8 week superdrol cycle with no idea of PCT... well, he'll be a sad man for a few weeks.

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Mickk

Joe the Santa wrote: »

I'd be interested to know how traces of these substances got into the products.


edit: side note what the fcuk are people buying these days I reading the non banned products here going wtf

I don't think that "traces of these substances got into the products", the ingredients they are talking about were listed on the ingredients. Here is how I understand the situation but I might be wrong.

In the US if you take an illegal hormone (an anabolic steroid), add a few molecules (that will be broken off by your liver) or take away a few molecules (that exist in your stomach or small intestine and will reattach on contact) then your "new" product is not a controlled substance and you can legally sell it until the FDA get around to banning it (as they have done to the 50 products in the original post)

In the US every few months they add new hormones to the list of controlled ones and the companies go off and reformulate them slightly differently again. The smallest change of just a single molecule makes it a new product waiting to be defined by the FDA so there is a near infinite number of formulations...

The difference in Ireland is that the IMB regulations have a list of banned substances which hasn't changed since 2003 but they also have additional legislation which is very subjective. Basically any new product to enter the Irish market which is medicinal needs a product authorisation before going on sale (there are two types of medicines, prescription ones and non prescription ones but both types need product authorisation before going on sale). Over here the onus is on the seller to make sure the IMB don't consider any product on sale a medicine. If they decide the product is a medicine (even if none of the ingredients are on the list of banned ingredients) they will seize the product and possibly press charges for selling a medicine without a prescription.

In the UK the situation is just not really enforced, prohormones are a grey area and the big sellers so far are getting away with it so are continuing...