Sarah Palin on Vegetarians

JTMan

Sarah Palin's new book "Going Rogue" has hit the top of bestseller lists in the states. She uses the book, in part, to attack vegetarians.

The extracts are shocking and show how stupid this woman is. It would be a bigger disaster for the states than the election of George Bush if she gets into office in 2012.

If God had not intended for us to eat animals, how come He made them out of meat?

I love animals right next to the mashed potatoes

if any vegans came over for dinner ...... [I would] explain my philosophy on being a carnivore

More here:
http://www.examiner.com/x-13282-Cincinnati-Vegetarian-Examiner~y2009m11d19-Sarah-Palin-losing-vegetarian-supporters

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

Oh my god she's right! Now that she's explained her "philosophy" I see the error of my ways. First time I've heard that particular witty little comment as well :rolleyes:

I love Sarah Palin though, she's hilarious like

Tar.Aldarion

Didn't she stop running due to being too stupid?:-p And that's saying something !


Joke in simpsons = her philosophy :S

dory

The first one, the animals out of meat line is a very old joke. I became veggie in 1997 and I was getting that thrown at me then.
So she's stupid and a joke thief!!



But she's still hot in fairness.

raah!

Sarah Palin on Vegetarians

Get her off them!!!!

Mellor

Are this actually from her book?

Most likely, they are from the spoof book. It has almost the same cover, and the title is Going Rouge (instead of Going Rogue)

I reckon these are actually from the spoof book, and i'd say its working, if a newspaper as well most people who aren't aware of the book, will believe it.

Nice political sabotage.



On the other hand, maybe she is really that stupid

Mark Hamill

If God had not intended for us to eat animals, how come He made them out of meat?

Every time I hear this woman talk I have to wonder how she manages to remeber to breathe all the time.
I think if you said to her "If god wanted us to eat animals, why did he make them able to feel pain?" her head would explode!

Censorsh!t

Yes, Ms. Palin...but humans are also made of 'meat'...

Tar.Aldarion

I'm fairly certain I can get her to eat me using her own logic against her.

Dear diary.. jackpot!

mrsdewinter

Fungus wrote: »

It would be a bigger disaster for the states than the election of George Bush if she gets into office in 2012.

Check out Saturday Night Live's prediction...
http://tv.gawker.com/5410123/snl-predicts-the-end-of-the-world-in-2012-as-sarah-palin-is-elected-as-president?autoplay=true

smellslikeshoes

Her ultra right wing views that make me dislike her so much also in my opinion rule her out from ever becoming president, as far as I'm concerned she can fcuk off back to Alaska and talk as much rubbish as she wants.

bronte

I really hope that's not true, but if it is, What a muppet!

kumate_champ07

Mark Hamill wrote: »

Every time I hear this woman talk I have to wonder how she manages to remeber to breathe all the time.
I think if you said to her "If god wanted us to eat animals, why did he make them able to feel pain?" her head would explode!

sure but animals eat animals, did god not make those animals as predators and the other animals that also feel pain as food?
a sabertooth tiger didnt have big canine teeth for eating lettuce,berries and tree bark

smegmar

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

sure but animals eat animals, did god not make those animals as predators and the other animals that also feel pain as food?
a sabertooth tiger didnt have big canine teeth for eating lettuce,berries and tree bark

the woolly mammoth had tusks bigger then any animal to date and they are grass and leaves

kumate_champ07

smegmar wrote: »

the woolly mammoth had tusks bigger then any animal to date and they are grass and leaves

I didnt say anything about the wholly mammoth. tusks are used for defense and digging up ground/shrubs, not always for carnivorous tasks


my point is the fact that animals feel pain has nothing to do with god saying we shouldnt eat meat

pain is a defense mechanism, its a warning that we are hurt, could be from a broken bone due to a fall or could be from a bite to the leg from a predator, its not a warning for people not to eat us, humans are animals and can be eaten by many other animals if isolated in a hazardous wild environment, I dont think an alligator cares if I feel pain

fillefatale

My dad says the first one the whole time, and it was the reaction of my housemate from Belfast when I told him... bleh.

Mark Hamill

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

sure but animals eat animals, did god not make those animals as predators and the other animals that also feel pain as food?
a sabertooth tiger didnt have big canine teeth for eating lettuce,berries and tree bark

What has this got to do with what I said? It still begs the question that if god made animals as food (for either humans or other animals) then why do they feel pain?

Mark Hamill

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

my point is the fact that animals feel pain has nothing to do with god saying we shouldnt eat meat

I didnt say god said we shouldnt eat meat. I said that if god wanted us to eat animals then why do they feel pain?

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

pain is a defense mechanism, its a warning that we are hurt, could be from a broken bone due to a fall or could be from a bite to the leg from a predator, its not a warning for people not to eat us, humans are animals and can be eaten by many other animals if isolated in a hazardous wild environment, I dont think an alligator cares if I feel pain

Why do they need this defense mechanism if they are put on earth by god to be meat for people? What difference does it make if an animal is injured by a fall or another animal if they are just there to be eaten? Even if they needed some sort of system to keep them healthy until adulthood, why does the system need to be pain based, why does it involve intense discomfort and why do animals fight back if they figure out whats happening? Why isn't it instinct based, they just know that a broken leg shouldn't be used and why aren't they willing to die to feed us?

I don't think you see the point of my point really, I'm not using it as a justification of vegetarianism, its a response to the justification that animals are meant to be eaten because god put them here for us. I'm really only humouring the position, god doesn't exist anyway so its moot anyway.

Slaphead07

Mark Hamill wrote: »

What has this got to do with what I said? It still begs the question that if god made animals as food (for either humans or other animals) then why do they feel pain?

God doesn't exist. NOW why should people eat animals?

kumate_champ07

Mark Hamill wrote: »

I didnt say god said we shouldnt eat meat. I said that if god wanted us to eat animals then why do they feel pain?


Why do they need this defense mechanism if they are put on earth by god to be meat for people? What difference does it make if an animal is injured by a fall or another animal if they are just there to be eaten? Even if they needed some sort of system to keep them healthy until adulthood, why does the system need to be pain based, why does it involve intense discomfort and why do animals fight back if they figure out whats happening? Why isn't it instinct based, they just know that a broken leg shouldn't be used and why aren't they willing to die to feed us?

I don't think you see the point of my point really, I'm not using it as a justification of vegetarianism, its a response to the justification that animals are meant to be eaten because god put them here for us. I'm really only humouring the position, god doesn't exist anyway so its moot anyway.

what if there is no god?
why do humans feel pain?

I dont think animals are here just as a food source for humans. native indians and aboriginals have the right idea

I dont see your logic at all. Im not anti vegetarian, I love animals but also eat meat.

Mark Hamill

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

what if there is no god?

If there is no god why say "did god not make those animals as predators and the other animals that also feel pain as food? "? If there is no god, then you cant use god as an excuse to eat animals. If there is a god then why is the process of killing and eating animals the way it is, why isn't it easier, nicer, without pain?

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

why do humans feel pain?

Its a beneficial trait that came about because of evolution. The same reason why other animals have it.

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

I dont think animals are here just as a food source for humans. native indians and aboriginals have the right idea

I dont see your logic at all. Im not anti vegetarian, I love animals but also eat meat.

My logic was as a counter point to Palins logic that god put animals here for us to eat. If you disagree with that point of view then it doesn't really apply to you.

Slaphead07

Mark Hamill wrote: »

If there is no god why say "did god not make those animals as predators and the other animals that also feel pain as food? "? If there is no god, then you cant use god as an excuse to eat animals. If there is a god then why is the process of killing and eating animals the way it is, why isn't it easier, nicer, without pain?

There is no God and that non-existant God didn't say any of that. If if helps you to replace "nature" for "God" then fine but your line of 'logic' makes no sense whatsoever.

kumate_champ07

Mark Hamill wrote: »

If there is no god why say "did god not make those animals as predators and the other animals that also feel pain as food? "? If there is no god, then you cant use god as an excuse to eat animals. If there is a god then why is the process of killing and eating animals the way it is, why isn't it easier, nicer, without pain?


Its a beneficial trait that came about because of evolution. The same reason why other animals have it.


My logic was as a counter point to Palins logic that god put animals here for us to eat. If you disagree with that point of view then it doesn't really apply to you.

the multi quotes denote you are taking this too serious, anything palin says is retarded

i made a point using the same logic as was given using god


if animals didnt eat other animals the planet would become overpopulated in a matter of days, same thing with insects, theres a huge natural bio-system at work. if there were no dung beetles Africa would be covered in sh1t, every animal and insect no matter how big or small has a big part to play, eating each other is natural and needed for harmony in nature

nature is cruel. theres no denying that. it can also be beautiful, but what is beauty without ugly? what is joy without sorrow?

kumate_champ07

just to add my own personal opinions, I believe animals that are kept for human food should be treated better, theres a huge amount that die for us and are just thrown out, but thats business/capitalism. Ive seen 60 perfectly edible large turkeys bein thrown into a skip a few days before christmas

I buy free range chicken, I only eat caged chicken products if they are going out of date and half/quarter price, it helps me save money and I dont like to see it/ a life wasted.

kumate_champ07

lately I've been wondering why logic isnt a subject taught at school like in ancient Greece, it would make the world a better place

Sleipnir

Fungus wrote: »

Sarah Palin's new book "Going Rogue" has hit the top of bestseller lists in the states. She uses the book, in part, to attack vegetarians.

The extracts are shocking and show how stupid this woman is. It would be a bigger disaster for the states than the election of George Bush if she gets into office in 2012.

More here:
http://www.examiner.com/x-13282-Cincinnati-Vegetarian-Examiner~y2009m11d19-Sarah-Palin-losing-vegetarian-supporters

They're just jokes and what you quoted doesn't attack vegetarians themselves at all. (and they're not even her own jokes)
If a meat eater came over to your house and you explained your philosophy on being a vegetarian, would that mean you were "attacking them"?

Absurdum

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

if animals didnt eat other animals the planet would become overpopulated in a matter of days, same thing with insects, theres a huge natural bio-system at work. if there were no dung beetles Africa would be covered in sh1t, every animal and insect no matter how big or small has a big part to play, eating each other is natural and needed for harmony in nature

we aren't part of that particular biosystem, there's nothing natural about the meat industry

When you look at the comparison between herbivores and humans, we compare much more closely to herbivores than meat eating animals. Humans are clearly not designed to digest and ingest meat.

• Meat-eaters: have claws
  Herbivores: no claws
  Humans: no claws

• Meat-eaters: have no skin pores and perspire through the tongue
  Herbivores: perspire through skin pores
  Humans: perspire through skin pores

• Meat-eaters: have sharp front teeth for tearing, with no flat molar teeth for grinding
  Herbivores: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding
  Humans: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding

• Meat-eaters: have intestinal tract that is only 3 times their body length so that rapidly decaying meat can pass through quickly
  Herbivores: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length.
  Humans: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length.

• Meat-eaters: have strong hydrochloric acid in stomach to digest meat
  Herbivores: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a meat-eater
  Humans: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a meat-eater

• Meat-eaters: salivary glands in mouth not needed to pre-digest grains and fruits.
  Herbivores: well-developed salivary glands which are necessary to pre-digest grains and fruits
  Humans: well-developed salivary glands, which are necessary to pre-digest, grains and fruits

• Meat-eaters: have acid saliva with no enzyme ptyalin to pre-digest grains
  Herbivores: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grains
  Humans: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grains

Based on a chart by A.D. Andrews, Fit Food for Men, (Chicago: American Hygiene Society, 1970)

kumate_champ07

Absurdum wrote: »

we aren't part of that particular biosystem, there's nothing natural about the meat industry

how has this turned into a debate on wether humans should eat meat? I was replying to the notion that because animals feel pain they shouldnt be eaten

we as a species developed tools to hunt animals for food, evolution. I eat meat fruit and veg and feel fit and healthy, no digestion problems. A good friend of mine was a vegetarian for 10years untill a couple of years ago, he feels stronger and fitter now that he eats meat.

cows out in a field eating grass, seems natural to me. alot of industries could be made more fair. there are humans in this world suffering from famine/disease and poverty because of the behavior of other humans, not thru fault of their own. its not just cows,sheep,pigs and chickens being illtreated, its homosapiens too

aboriginals hunt their food with boomerangs and spears, theyve been doing it for thousands of years, its natural. just like a wolf sinking its teeth into a rabbits neck, hunting for food is natural. eating meat is natural. the meat industry is a disgrace in some aspects but that doesnt mean eating meat is wrong. I have nothing against people not eating meat, thats their own choice and I respect that. But I wont listen to bull**** anti meat propaganda

Bottle_of_Smoke

The stuff Palin was quoted as saying in the OP are jokes as old as the hills.

I'm just asking, not saying you're wrong, but could she have been joking or simply adding humour to an opinion against vegetarianism?

I think it would take Obama and Osama joint suicide bombing an anti-abortion rally for her to have any chance of being president in 2012

kumate_champ07

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

The stuff Palin was quoted as saying in the OP are jokes as old as the hills.

I'm just asking, not saying you're wrong, but could she have been joking or simply adding humour to an opinion against vegetarianism?

I think it would take Obama and Osama joint suicide bombing an anti-abortion rally for her to have any chance of being president in 2012

I hope her chances are really that slim. G W Bush was different, he came from a long political family history, he had a team behind him with a specific purpose even tho he came across as mildly retarded some times

Mark Hamill

Slaphead07 wrote: »

There is no God and that non-existant God didn't say any of that. If if helps you to replace "nature" for "God" then fine but your line of 'logic' makes no sense whatsoever.

I know there is no god. I am only humoring the position that god put animals here for us to eat, and without even going into the existence of god I can show that its a poor train of thought. Have you been reading my posts? I am vegetarian and atheist you realise?

Mark Hamill

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

if animals didnt eat other animals the planet would become overpopulated in a matter of days, same thing with insects, theres a huge natural bio-system at work. if there were no dung beetles Africa would be covered in sh1t, every animal and insect no matter how big or small has a big part to play, eating each other is natural and needed for harmony in nature

This still does not adress the existence of pain. pain does not need to exist for these things to happen, not if god created them.

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

nature is cruel. theres no denying that. it can also be beautiful, but what is beauty without ugly? what is joy without sorrow?

Beauty without ugly is beauty, joy without sorrow is joy. You do not need the opposite of something to exist for it itself to exist. especially when those things are subjective.

kumate_champ07

Mark Hamill wrote: »

This still does not adress the existence of pain. pain does not need to exist for these things to happen, not if god created them.


Beauty without ugly is beauty, joy without sorrow is joy. You do not need the opposite of something to exist for it itself to exist. especially when those things are subjective.

beauty cant exist without ugly because you would not notice it

Mark Hamill

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

beauty cant exist without ugly because you would not notice it

Which is just pseudo philosphilic waffle, tbh. Do you not notice the universe, even though the opposite of the universe does not exist? What is the opposite of the universe? Besides, objectively define beauty. You cant. Whats treasure to one man is junk to another.

Censorsh!t

Why has this turned into a "should humans eat animals" debate?

I hate when people bring up that animals eat other animals, so humans should also eat animals... The thing is that animals don't farm other animals, and they basically need to eat meat...and if they didnt, it's not like we can reason with them and convince them not to eat it.
Humans don't need meat (as long as you have a balanced veg*n diet). We also have the ability to recognise it as wrong.

And why bring up the fact that humans are suffering in the world? yes, we know, but that doesnt mean that we should completely ignore animal's suffering...we can adress both at the same time.

kumate_champ07

Mark Hamill wrote: »

Which is just pseudo philosphilic waffle, tbh. Do you not notice the universe, even though the opposite of the universe does not exist? What is the opposite of the universe? Besides, objectively define beauty. You cant. Whats treasure to one man is junk to another.

no, no its not.
you want me to define the opposite to all matter and anti matter and everything else undiscovered in this universe?

kumate_champ07

Censorsh!t wrote: »

Why has this turned into a "should humans eat animals" debate?

I hate when people bring up that animals eat other animals, so humans should also eat animals... The thing is that animals don't farm other animals, and they basically need to eat meat...and if they didnt, it's not like we can reason with them and convince them not to eat it.
Humans don't need meat (as long as you have a balanced veg*n diet). We also have the ability to recognise it as wrong.

And why bring up the fact that humans are suffering in the world? yes, we know, but that doesnt mean that we should completely ignore animal's suffering...we can adress both at the same time.

I didnt say humans 'should' eat animals, I said its perfectly normal and natural to do. Intensive farming my not be natural

Do you know of any other animal that grows fields of potatoes and cabbage for themselves or is that just a human thing too? Is it ok for African tribes to hunt wild pigs that arent farmed? what about the eskimos that live on fish and have the lowest cases of heart disease on this planet?


Im not against vegetarians, just some of their attitudes like yours.

Absurdum

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

we as a species developed tools to hunt animals for food, evolution. I eat meat fruit and veg and feel fit and healthy, no digestion problems. A good friend of mine was a vegetarian for 10years untill a couple of years ago, he feels stronger and fitter now that he eats meat.

Maybe the rotting flesh of an animal in your system hasn't caused problems yet, but I wouldn't say that will always be the case. When I went from being vegetarian to vegan two and a bit years ago, I never felt stronger or fitter....different strokes and all that.

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

beauty cant exist without ugly because you would not notice it

The Playboy Mansion called, they asked you to stop :P

kumate_champ07

Absurdum wrote: »

Maybe the rotting flesh of an animal in your system hasn't caused problems yet, but I wouldn't say that will always be the case. When I went from being vegetarian to vegan two and a bit years ago, I never felt stronger or fitter....different strokes and all that.



The Playboy Mansion called, they asked you to stop :P

Im not sure what youre talking about, I dont eat rotten flesh, I eat fresh meat.
I did see a tv programme where a guy kept meat in jars for up to a year and let it rot, then he would eat it and it wouldnt make him sick, he had adapted to it.

maybe the fact that you beacame more aware of your bad eating/health could have been the main reason you got stronger and fitter?


Im still wondering how the guy above jumped from 'beauty' to the entire 'universe' with his logic

kumate_champ07

I think a mod should lock this thread as I fail to see what can be gained from it now. we all know sara palin is an idiot,
Im not gonna be converted to a vegan and nobody here is gonna agree that eating meat in some cases is natural and ok.

Absurdum

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

Im not sure what youre talking about, I dont eat rotten flesh, I eat fresh meat.
I did see a tv programme where a guy kept meat in jars for up to a year and let it rot, then he would eat it and it wouldnt make him sick, he had adapted to it.

I didn't say "rotten".

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

maybe the fact that you beacame more aware of your bad eating/health could have been the main reason you got stronger and fitter?

I didn't have a bad diet or health beforehand, don't be making assumptions.

kumate_champ07

Absurdum wrote: »

I didn't say "rotten".




I didn't have a bad diet or health beforehand, don't be making assumptions.

ok well you said 'rotting', I dont eat rotting flesh either.

so what exactly did you do with your diet? did you leave it the same minus the meat?
I eat just as well as a vegan, but I have the meat aswell. Im eating around 400g of stir fry mixed veg and some free range chicken right now

Censorsh!t

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

I didnt say humans 'should' eat animals, I said its perfectly normal and natural to do. Intensive farming my not be natural

Do you know of any other animal that grows fields of potatoes and cabbage for themselves or is that just a human thing too? Is it ok for African tribes to hunt wild pigs that arent farmed? what about the eskimos that live on fish and have the lowest cases of heart disease on this planet?


Im not against vegetarians, just some of their attitudes like yours.

Ah, now you have jumped to the conclusion that I'm against every human eating animals!

Did I mention I have a problem with African tribes hunting animals? or eskimos eating fish? No! I don't have a problem with that, as they need that to survive. I am against animals being inensively farmed for humans that do have the option to choose a different diet. Pease don't put words in my mouth!

And whether it is natural or not, I am not concerned, I am concerned with the ethical factors.

kumate_champ07

Censorsh!t wrote: »

Ah, now you have jumped to the conclusion that I'm against every human eating animals!

Did I mention I have a problem with African tribes hunting animals? or eskimos eating fish? No! I don't have a problem with that, as they need that to survive. I am against animals being inensively farmed for humans that do have the option to choose a different diet. Pease don't put words in my mouth!

And whether it is natural or not, I am not concerned, I am concerned with the ethical factors.

but the poor animals that feel pain!? so ethically its ok to do something if you need to survive?
do you have a problem with someone in Ireland keeping a few pigs or chickens and killing them for food?
what about animals that get killed during vegetable processing and harvesting, Is that ok? Is intensive crop farming ok or should we all be out looking for wild berries and edible plants?

kumate_champ07

if you personally brought over enough veg for an eskimo family to live on for the rest of their lives would you be comfortable with the fact that their lives will be cut shorter since they wont be eating fish anymore to survive?

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

Kumate, with all due respect, what the hell are you on about? People on this forum have made the choice not to eat meat based on moral, health, or environmental concerns. Most of us have a reasonably well thought out basis for this, and are unlikely to change out minds seeing as the decision to stop eating meat entails some debate- either with yourself or with others in the first place. What is the point in coming on here and (very poorly) attempting to attack every argument that's thrown at you in a needlessly antagonistic and aggressive way, and throwing absurd hypothetical situations at people?

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

I think a mod should lock this thread as I fail to see what can be gained from it now. we all know sara palin is an idiot,
Im not gonna be converted to a vegan and nobody here is gonna agree that eating meat in some cases is natural and ok.

Stop posting in it so. Tbh I'm going to do the same as I'm getting more than a slight stink of troll.

kumate_champ07

Simeon Immense Butterfly wrote: »

Kumate, with all due respect, what the hell are you on about? People on this forum have made the choice not to eat meat based on moral, health, or environmental concerns. Most of us have a reasonably well thought out basis for this, and are unlikely to change out minds seeing as the decision to stop eating meat entails some debate- either with yourself or with others in the first place. What is the point in coming on here and (very poorly) attempting to attack every argument that's thrown at you in a needlessly antagonistic and aggressive way, and throwing absurd hypothetical situations at people?



Stop posting in it so. Tbh I'm going to do the same as I'm getting more than a slight stink of troll.

sh1t I could say the same about the posters attacking me, rotting flesh inside, I mean come on wtf
some of the reasons Ive heard are just idiotic or fairytale based, others are just part of todays society but intensive animal farming is not near the top humanity's worries right now

I didnt come on here to attack anyone, I saw the sara palin reference on the main boards page and came to this thread, i havent looked at anything else in this vegan forum.

Its obvious you are a group of people/posters that will stick together/thank each other no matter what. I dont know where you saw aggression from me, I dont even know how you could have seen anything from so high up on that horse.

Im a meat eater so I'm the bad guy, I get it now. thanks

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

Meh, alright, I posted in haste, I admit it :P I take back saying you're being aggressive (although, that high horse comment...) and the troll thing. I still think you're arguing your point pretty poorly however, and getting in a sulk just because nobody's flying the meat eating banner on a Vegan and Vegetarian forum isn't going to help matters much.

kumate_champ07

Simeon Immense Butterfly wrote: »

Meh, alright, I posted in haste, I admit it :P I take back saying you're being aggressive (although, that high horse comment...) and the troll thing. I still think you're arguing your point pretty poorly however, and getting in a sulk just because nobody's flying the meat eating banner on a Vegan and Vegetarian forum isn't going to help matters much.

ok thank you. I wasnt supposed to argue at all as I realised it would be the same as arguing with a religous person on the existence of god, thats their belief even if you see it a different way
I'm not in a sulk, I dont like to be misrepresented. I dont buy any food products from caged animals. I am very kind to all animals, in fact theyre my favourite subject to shoot(with my camera!)


can we agree to disagree so?

Censorsh!t

Yes, I think agreeing to disagree is the best, this debate has just gone a bit too off the wall

Mark Hamill

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

no, no its not.
you want me to define the opposite to all matter and anti matter and everything else undiscovered in this universe?

You're claiming for something to exist, its opposite needs to exist. Well, putting aside that you used a subjective things and then pointing to their subjective opposites (forgetting that neither thing actually exists until subjectively viewed), the position is nonsense. Somethings dont have opposites and somethings opposites aren't fundamentally different things. A beam of light exists, but its opposite is not darkness (which is merely the absence of light) but another beam of light with the opposite wave function, and, in fact, if these "opposites" come into contact with each other they both cease to exist.
Saying there is no "a" without its opposite is a nonsensical pseudo philosophical statement that people use because it sounds profound, but without actually thinking of its ramifications. What is the opposite of human?