Can I relaese and shoot Wild boar or Hogs in Eire??

ivanthehunter

Whats involved in releasing some of these solely for the purpose of shooting for sport.
I'd be talking about release into a control environment.
Also is their any issue around hunting a domestic or farmed animal.
Might one be steeping on some animal welfare regulation be doing so.

Are there groups in Ireland that are already involved in this!

I have access to some waste land where no reasonable possibility of escape exist :rolleyes:

This is a genuine thread and all genuine help will be received gratefully.

Regards Ivan.

johngalway

You do get some notions Ivan

Though I can't advise you I imagine you'd run into a raft of obstacles such as proper fencing, introducing a non native (could be wrong) animal, possibly as you mention animal welfare issues.

But I wouldn't object at all to being wrong.

EPointer=Birdss

How big a space is the waste ground???
Fish in a barrell comes to mind...:D

Novel idea though, if you had the space & it was private land I would imagine if it was non native species you would need a zoo license of sorts???? Whether you shoot em or not is your business after that!
Might be hard to explain to an inspector though.

Just release normal pigs & watch em transfrom in a few generations!
Have hogs in no times!

Dusty87

AFAIK you wouldnt need a licence.
This came up somewhere before.
Basically theres no actual laws in ireland about this. Once the animal is imported legally theres nothing can be done, hence people having monkeys as pets.

clivej

EPointer=Birdss wrote: »

How big a space is the waste ground???
Fish in a barrell comes to mind...:D

Novel idea though, if you had the space & it was private land I would imagine if it was non native species you would need a zoo license of sorts???? Whether you shoot em or not is your business after that!
Might be hard to explain to an inspector though.

Just release normal pigs & watch em transfrom in a few generations!
Have hogs in no times!

I read about that.

No need to import anything new just release boar/sow pigs and they revert back fairly quickly.

If your going to do it get some good breading stock to start the ball rolling;)

ivanthehunter

I have too many acres to work on so much so that I think i'll need a barrel of ammo and a barrel or barrels...;)

There are some folk here on the forum that have breed them before.

meathstevie

Isn't wild boar a locally extinct native animal ? If Golden Eagles can be released on the grounds that they're a native species the same should be applicable to wild boar. Keep in mind that they have some serious potential for agricultural damage though. A family of wild boar will uproot a couple of acres of spuds in no time for example.

terminator2

what about letting out a few wolves

Dusty87

terminator2 wrote: »

what about letting out a few wolves

We could have a case of Lobo.....
Ivan knows what im on about:D

ivanthehunter

terminator2 wrote: »

what about letting out a few wolves

They are called the green party! ha

bitemybanger

I saw a programme on the the Discovery channell some of you may have seen it, hogzilla?
anyway if you were to release a domestic pig as we know it into the wild it would start to grow hair, tusks and revert back to its wild ways and boar like charistaristics within weeks and if you were to release a breeding pair the would have the potential to multiply to half a million within three years.
Dont think you would be the most popular person in the agriculture forum if you did that:(

ivanthehunter

bitemybanger wrote: »

I saw a programme on the the Discovery channell some of you may have seen it, hogzilla?
anyway if you were to release a domestic pig as we know it into the wild it would start to grow hair, tusks and revert back to its wild ways and boar like charistaristics within weeks and if you were to release a breeding pair the would have the potential to multiply to half a million within three years.
Dont think you would be the most popular person in the agriculture forum if you did that:(

I'm not thinking of going nation wide with any possible release
TBH I'm just looking into the idea! If people here can farm deer then why cant some of us farm boar and set them out for shooting at
Just like a small fish farm but its full of pig ****!

4gun

there is enough auld boars about already do we really want more? although you can'y shoot 'em:D

johngalway

4gun wrote: »

there is enough auld boars about already do we really want more? although you can'y shoot 'em:D

They'd be chewier too I'd say

ivanthehunter

johngalway wrote: »

They'd be chewier too I'd say

classic :D:D

but i hate to say it but if big business was interested in setting up boar shooting events then they be getting the nod and firring ahead on all cylinders

jap gt

it depends how much land you have, pigs left off wouldnt go feral in a few weeks, if they bred in the wild after a couple of seasons the would turn feral, we keep a lot of pigs, some inside of forestry and arent seen for months sometimes and they dont turn wild. it would take a good bit of time for the pigs to be wild enough to get good sport hunting from. unless you could get hold of a russian boar, they would turn wild in no time

doyle61

thought i read somewhere here (or it could be on a different shooting forum) about someplace in ireland already after releasing boar. dont know if it was into controlled land or into the wild though. just that i questioned if it was safe to the general public to do so (although ild love to go shooting them)

EPointer=Birdss

bitemybanger wrote: »

if you were to release a breeding pair the would have the potential to multiply to half a million within three years.

Bit OTT there i'd say...
I saw that show. 500,000 pigs out of 2 in 3 years?
The smell of smokey bacon from all the friction would draw shooters from the next county!

lightening

jap gt wrote: »

we keep a lot of pigs, some inside of forestry and arent seen for months sometimes and they dont turn wild.

Hi jap, they survive on their own? What does the meat taste like? Do you smoke or cure full legs for sale?

(sorry for going off topic mods)

jap gt

we put feed out in a clearing, there is an option of a shed for them to go into but most make nests in forest, no great difference in the meat, i just work there but i think its only local butchers he supplies

lightening

jap gt wrote: »

i just work there but i think its only local butchers he supplies

Really interesting, much nicer way for the animals to live before we eat them. I'd say there might be subtle differences in taste, particularly the belly. Could you PM me the butcher if you don't want to pimp him on the thread here? Thanks a million.

meathstevie

doyle61 wrote: »

thought i read somewhere here (or it could be on a different shooting forum) about someplace in ireland already after releasing boar. dont know if it was into controlled land or into the wild though. just that i questioned if it was safe to the general public to do so (although ild love to go shooting them)

There wouldn't be much of a risk to the general public as wild boar are an extremely shy animal. They have a tendency to fight when they feel threathened which might pose a bit of a risk to members of the public who're looking for a Darwin Award but in general they wouldn't be much of a risk.

jap gt

meathstevie wrote: »

There wouldn't be much of a risk to the general public as wild boar are an extremely shy animal. They have a tendency to fight when they feel threathened which might pose a bit of a risk to members of the public who're looking for a Darwin Award but in general they wouldn't be much of a risk.

i cant see the problem in this, should be no different than deer. plenty woodland suitable in a nice remote area, could be good sport

ivanthehunter

jap gt wrote: »

it depends how much land you have, pigs left off wouldnt go feral in a few weeks, if they bred in the wild after a couple of seasons the would turn feral, we keep a lot of pigs, some inside of forestry and arent seen for months sometimes and they dont turn wild. it would take a good bit of time for the pigs to be wild enough to get good sport hunting from. unless you could get hold of a russian boar, they would turn wild in no time

Is this happening in Ireland?

jap gt

im not aware of anyone doing it, at least not on a big scale. i stand to be corrected though, what part of the country are you in

ivanthehunter

Up in Dublin mts but have access to land in Callen-Kilkenny and in Achill Is co Mayo.
I don't think that pig would thrive in boggy condition but i could be wrong.

jap gt

they would need shelter to build nests for breeding, but gererally where theres food they will adapt, forestry really suits them, they eat bark off of young trees and plenty rooting for them

this might give you some idea
http://www.dnr.state.wi.us/org/land/wildlife/publ/wlnotebook/pig.htm

found another link that says pigs can turn back to feral within a couple of months, i asume this would be in ideal conditions

http://blog.mlive.com/flintjournal/outdoors/2007/11/domestic_pigs_quickly_revert_t.html

lightening

Thanks for the help Jap...

muff munch

heres a link they dont catch jack **** but interesting watch,its the top one on the page then just press play


mdtv.musculardevelopment.com/content/view/2207/241/-

Vegeta

All I can say is security, security, security.

Ivan can you imagine the litigious nightmare this could be if your animals did big damage to any farmland or livestock.

jap gt

Vegeta wrote: »

All I can say is security, security, security.

Ivan can you imagine the litigious nightmare this could be if your animals did big damage to any farmland or livestock.

agreed, the cost of fencing etc would be the main problem, give pigs enough time they will get through just about anything, but if the location was right i.e plenty food shelter water etc they would'nt go far from it. it would want to be really remote

Vegeta

There are a load if questions that would need answering by people in the know.

I suggest you ring NPWS

Wild animals definitely need licenses to move them about the place, cant remember the legislation off the top of my head but it could be a game dealers license which is required.

Deer can indeed be farmed but do they need a specific license or permission to farm? Would this be denied for boar due the the risk of escape and accidental un-planned re-introduction?

Sure they'd be good to hunt but we have enough species to hunt as it is. Go on a holiday if you want to shoot boar, it'd be cheaper.

"Farming" them to be "hunted" is not worth the red tape, cost or potential legal action imho.

johngalway

Vegeta wrote: »

we have enough species to hunt as it is.

Don't often disagree with ya Veg but the more the merrier in this case

rrpc

You'd want to be careful about letting anything loose without a license:

Wildlife Act 2000

Any person who—
(a) turns loose, wilfully allows or causes to escape any species of wild animal or the spawn of such wild animal or wild bird or the eggs of such wild bird,
(b) transfers any species of wild animal or the spawn of such wild animal or wild bird or the eggs of such wild bird from any place in the State to any other place in the State for the purpose of establishing it in a wild state in such other place,
otherwise than under and in accordance with a licence granted in that behalf by the Minister shall be guilty of an offence.

Have a look at this document.

I'd say you'd be able to hunt them if someone let them loose alright, the only problem would be that you'd probably be allowed hunt the guy who let them loose as well.

Remember the mink?

johngalway

rrpc wrote: »

Remember the mink?

What, we're allowed hunt anti's now? When did I miss this important development!?

Or,

If you mean hunting farmers, remember this one is well armed

thedragon

rrpc wrote: »

You'd want to be careful about letting anything loose without a license:

Wildlife Act 2000


Have a look at this document.

I'd say you'd be able to hunt them if someone let them loose alright, the only problem would be that you'd probably be allowed hunt the guy who let them loose as well.

Remember the mink?

I dont mean to sound like a smart arse but the IPWS have released a couple of bad species into the wild themselves and dont seem to put out by it.

Traumadoc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kw6dftleQlU

very relevent

Dusty87

rrpc wrote: »

You'd want to be careful about letting anything loose without a license:

rrpc, are you sure you'd need a licence if they were being kept as 'pets' in an enclosed area?? A man i know has a lot of exotic pets including a squirrel monkey, marmoset monkeys, rare cats, owls etc. He did need a licence for the owls but for animals he imported he didnt. As far as i know, once the importing off them was all above board, he didnt need any licence.


Should point out i could be totally wrong here but thats the way it was explained to me

foxshooter243

Traumadoc wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kw6dftleQlU

very relevent

Interesting, traumadoc

kakashka

Dusty87 wrote: »

rrpc, are you sure you'd need a licence if they were being kept as 'pets' in an enclosed area?? A man i know has a lot of exotic pets including a squirrel monkey, marmoset monkeys, rare cats, owls etc. He did need a licence for the owls but for animals he imported he didnt. As far as i know, once the importing off them was all above board, he didnt need any licence.


Should point out i could be totally wrong here but thats the way it was explained to me

I THINK Ivan may be classed as a farmer in this case and he would have to get herd numbers,disease testing,animal tracability etc

kakashka

You'd need a jurasic park style fence to keep them under control ivan,they are dangerous animals and do serious damage to their surroundings

ivanthehunter

kakashka wrote: »

You'd need a jurasic park style fence to keep them under control ivan,they are dangerous animals and do serious damage to their surroundings

Can they swim?;)

Grizzly 45

You couldnt do worse to talk to the folks in the Cragganowen project in Clare.They have a herd of wild boar.Last time I saw the boar they were ear tagged.There was a farm up the border countries area that was breeding wild boar afew years ago.Was ear to the Ground.Dunno if it down as a biz or if it still survives .However there was a few "cute piggies" out and about around the farm location a few years later.Rumour has it the army were called in to dispose of the errant swine...
Can they do damage and are they aggressive??yes on both! Just back from Germany,where I had the pleasure of seeing an entire grassland 20acre field,being reduced to a battle fileld by a herd of pigs within a night.Aggressive most deffo.If they have young or are boars around sows in heat.There are enough folks who will tell of being chased by an aggressive sow ,defending her young.

ivanthehunter

Thanks griz
Once again your broad minded attitude is indeed very welcome.


Just back from Germany! what about the rescission my good man?:rolleyes:

Grizzly 45

Germany....What recession????Place is getting back on its feet and going to work!Kicking to touch with its gun laws thanks to the FDP.The only party that said any more restrictive gun laws wouldnt be productive to public security.Or that a review is needed of the laws which are of benefit to the public security,or are just harrassment and a burden to gunowners:eek:.
A pleasure to go to a gunshop and ask about storing firearms if need be and told that they will gladly store the guns for 50 euros A YEAR!!!!
And if you would care to shoot them please do in a 50meter underground range,built in a major city,under streets,houses and gardens,and no one worries a whit about it.Or even knows it exists in some cases. Limerick county council take note!!!:rolleyes:
Double pleasure to handle firearms in open displays,not having to crowd into a bank vault with some disintrested 3rd party standing behind you ,watching you if you are going to make off with a load of rifles under your coat!:rolleyes:.Was looking at a Hi cap 45ACP Infinity,adj Tri dot sights,ambidex everything,custom spring kit,tight as Hell duo tone stainless,appx 500 shots.... 1300 Euros!!!Private sale.Not available to law abiding ROI citizens:(
A super pleasure to see a qualified mastergunsmith take a rough enough 74 year old hammer Drilling,and restore it,with custom fitto the shooter stock and a so well done scope mount,you would swear it was made orginally on the barrels,and then have it test fired,and advised what is the correct slug load for either barrel,as well as the rifle barrel.
500 Euros for a custom made shotgun stock to your measurements,and chequering.You supply the stock blank.Be ready in 14 days.:)
Am seriously thinking of jacking this game of soilders in here,going over there and qualifying as a 43 year old apprentice to a gunsmith.Or anything for that matter.This country is going to be a derelict backwater of Europe in the next couple of years with this bunch of clowns in charge! I went thru this malarkey in the 80s and frankly,I am abit long in the tooth to listen and live this crap again.!:mad:

kakashka

ivanthehunter wrote: »

Can they swim?;)

Excellent swimmers too!!:eek:

shannonpowerlab

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Am seriously thinking of jacking this game of soilders in here,going over there and qualifying as a 43 year old apprentice to a gunsmith.Or anything for that matter.

I often think of something along that line too...:( everytime put on the news it is just another mess after mess Tax creeping up salary creeping down law starts to lose reasons and law makers splashing away like there is no tomorrow while taking money from future economy and chance for the next genertion to recover the mess they have created...
Very sad.
Maybe it is never too late for career change?

By the way...How it did get form wild boar to this..?

meathstevie

kakashka wrote: »

Excellent swimmers too!!:eek:

Nearly all mammals ( except us humans of course and also sheep with a heavy coat ) will swim instinctively.

CJhaughey

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Am seriously thinking of jacking this game of soilders in here,going over there and qualifying as a 43 year old apprentice to a gunsmith.Or anything for that matter.This country is going to be a derelict backwater of Europe in the next couple of years with this bunch of clowns in charge! I went thru this malarkey in the 80s and frankly,I am abit long in the tooth to listen and live this crap again.!:mad:

If you are interested in learning engraving there is scope, apparently lots of the UK engravers are getting on in years and there is a lack of young talent coming through. Plenty of scope for someone that wants to make a living out of it.

Eddie B

meathstevie wrote: »

Nearly all mammals ( except us humans of course and also sheep with a heavy coat ) will swim instinctively.

What about those water babies! Thought humans could swin instinctively when born! Only lose this ability if not let swim on a regular basis!!!! Don`t know, could be wrong!

shannonpowerlab

Are they easy to breed?