Seat Exeo

Bren1609

Has anyone heard any feedback aout the Seat Exeo? Starting price is €26,500it's meant to be launching over here in the next couple of weeks but was released in the UK back in March. I read a review in one of the papers saying it was effectively an Audi A4 with the front and back of a Seat. Obviously I'll take that review with a pinch of salt but I'm still dubious about buying a car in the first year of production.

Berty

As a driver of "that" shape A4 I can say there are many similarities. The front and back are very different but from the side it could be the same car.

Then again from the side an Opel Insignia Elite and a Lexus GS are the same. :eek:

The interior is match perfect except for the steering wheel and a few other minor touches.

Here's the thing. The old Octavia was basically the older Passat. The car was still a great car but the similarities were there if you looked hard enough.

Would I buy one? I couldn't possibly buy a Seat and going from the A4 to the poor mans A4 is not an option anyway.

Drummerboy08

The Exeo is built on the B7 A4 Platform.

How does this make it the "poor mans" A4 Berty? Your speaking like you an MD.... Are you an MD?

EPM

It's a B7 A4 with some minor trim changes, better spec and the engine range of the new B8 A4. And starting at 26.5k is a decent amount of metal for the money. Badge snobs will obvioulsy have a major problem with it but the B7 A4 wasn't the worst of them and some of the main criticisms have been adressed (spec and engines). But it's an old design alright, and interior space in the back especially is tight-ish but I'd pick one over most cars in that class

Bren1609

Berty wrote: »

Would I buy one? I couldn't possibly buy a Seat and going from the A4 to the poor mans A4 is not an option anyway.

Just out of curiousity, why would you not buy a Seat? Is it just the badge or is there a particular reason?

Drummerboy08

Bren1609 wrote: »

Just out of curiousity, why would you not buy a Seat? Is it just the badge or is there a particular reason?

He wont buy a Seat, but he'd love a Skoda....;)

Berty

Bren1609 wrote: »

Just out of curiousity, why would you not buy a Seat? Is it just the badge or is there a particular reason?

I had a Seat, my parents had a Seat and my brother had a Seat and we ALL had problems with them and the dealers just don't care.

Two of us had Renaults as well and had the same problems.

So yes its a badge thing but with good reasons to back it up rather than just simply snobbery.

Bren1609

Seriously though, are Seats considered good cars? i.e. value for money, reliable, maintenance etc?

vectra

Audi A4 with a different Grill.. Different Boot Door ( for the SEAT badge/handle ) Audi A4 Cabriolet Dash.. Some front suspension issues ironed out.
Basically an A4 only Better
I am waiting on a test drive once it is in.

Berty wrote: »

I had a Seat, my parents had a Seat and my brother had a Seat and we ALL had problems with them and the dealers just don't care.

Two of us had Renaults as well and had the same problems.

So yes its a badge thing but with good reasons to back it up rather than just simply snobbery.

Different Dealers have different attitudes.

Bren1609 wrote: »

Seriously though, are Seats considered good cars? i.e. value for money, reliable, maintenance etc?

I have a SEAT and Not one problem with it.
Great car.
Excellent value
I dont know how people can run down VAG cars

Berty

Bren1609 wrote: »

Seriously though, are Seats considered good cars? i.e. value for money, reliable, maintenance etc?

You could argue with current reduced pricing across all the other marques there is truly better value out there over the Seat range.

I do not like the Exeo and recently I had the displeasure of looking at and driving a 2009 Ibiza and hated every single thing about it.

Drummerboy08

Bren1609 wrote: »

Seriously though, are Seats considered good cars? i.e. value for money, reliable, maintenance etc?

They're no worse than Audi, VW, Skoda, Ford or any other manufacturer. Remember, most of the parts, engines etc are the same that are used in VW's, Audi's and Skoda's.

Seperate

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

They're no worse than Audi, VW, Skoda, Ford or any other manufacturer. Remember, most of the parts, engines etc are the same that are used in VW's, Audi's and Skoda's.

Alot of people tend not to believe this!

Berty

Try this link to see a UK version as the Seat Ireland website is none to helpful.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/200937341336151/sort/priceasc/usedcars/make/seat/model/exeo/quicksearch/true/page/1/radius/1501/postcode/np182lx?previous=%2Fsearch%2Fresults%2Fusedcars%2Fpostcode%2Fnp182lx%2Fradius%2F1501%2Fmake%2Fseat%2Fmodel%2Fexeo%2Fquicksearch%2Ftrue%2Fpage%2F1%2Fsort%2Fpriceasc&anchor=advert200937341336151&logcode=p

Drummerboy08

Seperate wrote: »

Alot of people tend not to believe this!

And there lies the problem.

"I'm not buying a 2.0TDi Seat Exeo because Seat are sh!te. However, I'd Love one of those 2.0TDi Audi A4's."

Wheres the logic in that?

vectra

Seperate wrote: »

Alot of people tend not to believe this!

And those people are known widely as badge Snobs :rolleyes:

vectra

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

And there lies the problem.

"I'm not buying a 2.0TDi Seat Exeo because Seat are sh!te. However, I'd Love one of those 2.0TDi Audi A4's."

Wheres the logic in that?

How can you say the Exeo 2.0TDi is ****e?
have you expereince of one giving trouble?

R.O.R

vectra wrote: »

How can you say the Exeo 2.0TDi is ****e?
have you expereince of one giving trouble?

I think he's saying that's what the general public would say, rather than a specific case.

Cheapest Superb with a decent diesel engine is the 2.0Tdi 140 @ €27,220 so the SEAT seems to be good value, and even though it's an Old A4 in a new frock, it's still better looking than the Skoda.

No comparison for interior space though.

mickdw

The OP was taking a car review saying that it shared alot with audi a4 with a pinch of salt. No need for the salt here. It is basically an audi A4. Given that its coming with the latest diesel engines, its not a bad buy. Doesnt sound so cheap though with all the price reductions happening every day. An actual new model A4 might be just as cheap in the end when resale value is taken into account. Certainly a slightly used new model a4 versus a new seat might be a good idea at similar prices

Bren1609

R.O.R wrote: »

I think he's saying that's what the general public would say, rather than a specific case.

Cheapest Superb with a decent diesel engine is the 2.0Tdi 140 @ €27,220 so the SEAT seems to be good value, and even though it's an Old A4 in a new frock, it's still better looking than the Skoda.

No comparison for interior space though.

I assume you mean the Skoda has more interior space?

R.O.R

Bren1609 wrote: »

I assume you mean the Skoda has more interior space?

By about 4 acres

VolvoMan

Berty wrote: »

Here's the thing. The old Octavia was basically the older Passat. The car was still a great car but the similarities were there if you looked hard enough.

The Octavia is based on the Golf and always has been.

Berty wrote: »

I had a Seat, my parents had a Seat and my brother had a Seat and we ALL had problems with them and the dealers just don't care.

SEAT are basically Audi, so any problems they have will most likely be similar.

Berty wrote: »

I do not like the Exeo and recently I had the displeasure of looking at and driving a 2009 Ibiza and hated every single thing about it.

If you don't like the Exeo, then why do you drive a B7 A4 in the first place

Berty

VolvoMan wrote: »

If you don't like the Exeo, then why do you drive a B7 A4 in the first place

It was a choice between keeping my 05 Passat Comfortline or changing for a 2006 Audi A4 Sport with less mileage for nothing. There was not much of decision to make really.

The exeo did not exist in 2008 when I started driving the Audi so I could hardly base my opinion on the exeo against the Audi then. I do not like the exeo because its an ill thought out copy of the A4. At least the Volvo S40 and the Ford Focus look different although you could argue they are the same chassis.

For Value I would opt for an Exeo if the B7 model was still on the market. For looks I would opt for the Audi. For extras I would opt for the Exeo. For the badge I would opt for the Audi. For re-sale value I would be in two minds because Im not sure about the holding value of an Exeo because it has not been market tested yet. The Audi at least will hold certain value as long as the mileage is not high.

TomMc

Berty wrote: »

The exeo did not exist in 2008 when I started driving the Audi so I could hardly base my opinion on the exeo against the Audi then. I do not like the exeo because its an ill thought out copy of the A4. At least the Volvo S40 and the Ford Focus look different although you could argue they are the same chassis.

But when you think about it, an MR2 based Ferrari kit car or a fake Rolex is a copy of something with cheapo parts. The Exeo uses OEM VAG ones so is not, just badge engineering which is not the same thing. A car should be judged on its engineering and underpinnings, not it's replica bodyshell.

Berty

TomMc wrote: »

But when you think about it, an MR2 based Ferrari kit car or a fake Rolex is a copy of something with cheapo parts. The Exeo uses OEM VAG ones so is not, just badge engineering which is not the same thing. A car should be judged on its engineering and underpinnings, not it's replica bodyshell.

To be fair I never said it was filled with cheap parts. I said it was an ill thought out copy. There isn't enough individualism in the car to make it "it's own" car. It will take some time, like the Octavia and Passat, before people forget it was based on a previous model of a car.

I also said the Seat Exeo represented Value For Money.

maidhc

Berty wrote: »

To be fair I never said it was filled with cheap parts. I said it was an ill thought out copy. There isn't enough individualism in the car to make it "it's own" car. It will take some time, like the Octavia and Passat, before people forget it was based on a previous model of a car.

I also said the Seat Exeo represented Value For Money.

I agree. It really does detract from the car... it isn't a Seat in the way the new Ibiza is (lovely looking car IMO), and it isn't an Audi either. It has no identity, and is the worse for it. At least the Superb was sold alongside the Passat, but the Exeo has echos of TK Maxx "last years stock" about it.

VolvoMan

Berty wrote: »

It will take some time, like the Octavia and Passat, before people forget it was based on a previous model of a car.

Once again, I don't know what it is that makes you think the Octavia is a last generation Passat. Unless it is the Octavia Tour you're talking about?

VolvoMan

Berty wrote: »

It will take some time, like the Octavia and Passat, before people forget it was based on a previous model of a car.

Once again, I don't know what it is that makes you think the Octavia is a last generation Passat. Is it the Octavia Tour you're talking about by any chance?

Tea 1000

Berty wrote: »

As a driver of "that" shape A4 I can say there are many similarities. The front and back are very different but from the side it could be the same car.

Then again from the side an Opel Insignia Elite and a Lexus GS are the same. :eek:

The interior is match perfect except for the steering wheel and a few other minor touches.

Here's the thing. The old Octavia was basically the older Passat. The car was still a great car but the similarities were there if you looked hard enough.

Would I buy one? I couldn't possibly buy a Seat and going from the A4 to the poor mans A4 is not an option anyway.

A few things. The Exeo and B7 A4 are essentially the same car. Same chassis, same drivetrain (with the Exeo enjoying newer CR engines), same panels in some cases, same parent company. The old Octavia and old Passat weren't, the old Passat was based on the old A6 platform, the Octavia shared the platform with the Golf, Bora, TT, Beetle, A3, Leon... so can't be compared at all.
The Lexus GS and Opel Insignia have no relationship. Maybe stylist was inspired, but that's about it.
Maybe the Exeo is a poor man's A4, but who's to say the rich man is wiser than the poor man?

vectra

Tea 1000 wrote: »

Maybe the Exeo is a poor man's A4, but who's to say the rich man is wiser than the poor man?

LOL

You are not a car salesman are you :P

remotesensor

Tea 1000 wrote: »

A few things. The Exeo and B7 A4 are essentially the same car. Same chassis, same drivetrain (with the Exeo enjoying newer CR engines), same panels in some cases, same parent company. The old Octavia and old Passat weren't, the old Passat was based on the old A6 platform, the Octavia shared the platform with the Golf, Bora, TT, Beetle, A3, Leon... so can't be compared at all.

emmmm,

All the passats are based on whatever a4 platforms are around at the time or vice versa.

EPM

remotesensor wrote: »

emmmm,

All the passats are based on whatever a4 platforms are around at the time or vice versa.

Current Passat is on a longer Mk5 Golf platform (PQ46). Think this is a different one to the PL46 on the B6/B7 A4

Tea 1000

remotesensor wrote: »

emmmm,

All the passats are based on whatever a4 platforms are around at the time or vice versa.

The B5 Passat shared platform with the A4, and the A6 had a stretched one. That changed with the newer A6 as Audi went with an all-new platform for the A6 that was too expensive to share with the Passat. So the B6 Passat is (as said above) based on a stretched Golf platform.

Bren1609

SEAT seem to have really cut their prices according to their website. What about the SEAT Cordoba for €12,200???

Berty

I drove home today with this thread specifically on my mind.

What I meant to say is

The SKODA SUPERB is based on the Passat. Phew.

Sorry!

VolvoMan

Berty wrote: »

The SKODA SUPERB is based on the Passat. Phew.

Yes, you're right. But the current model isn't based on the last generation.

Berty

VolvoMan wrote: »

Yes, you're right. But the current model isn't based on the last generation.

Yes of course. Im not sure I even like the new shape. Its very.........uummm........big I guess.

When you get to the back its like it was getting close to 6pm and the designer said "ah screw it, this will do >>>scribble scribble>>>"

TomMc

To me, the new Superb looks like it took some (loose) styling cues from the Phaeton.

EPM

I like it for the I couldn't give a toss styling

R.O.R

They had to "leave" the back of it like that to enable the trick boot lid. The Superb is both a Saloon car and a Hatchback depending on whether you push one or two buttons to release the boot.

New Estate that's due will sort out the questionable styling.

Lex Luthor

The Exeo exterior is nothing to look at...it might be a good car mechanically & electrically, but the looks do nothing for it.

However, its really good value for money

Biro

Lex Luthor wrote: »

The Exeo exterior is nothing to look at...it might be a good car mechanically & electrically, but the looks do nothing for it.

However, its really good value for money

Until you come to sell it on. The Octavia does reasonably well on the 2nd hand market, but the Superb doesn't. Excellent value new and a very good car for sure, but the horrible design combined with the poor resale would make me look else where.

Edit: sorry, was talking about the Superb, you were talking about the Exeo! I think I'd have the Exeo over the Superb unless I needed the room.

Cookie_Monster

Price & Spec since the website doesn't seem to have any info

Berty

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Price & Spec since the website doesn't seem to have any info

Exeo ST Spt for €31,450 or REAL Audi A4 Spt for €35,990

EPM

Berty wrote: »

Exeo ST Spt for €31,450 or REAL Audi A4 Spt for €35,990

But you're not taking spec into account...

Berty

EPM wrote: »

But you're not taking spec into account...

Winter pack and Xenons are options on the Exeo Spt - Xenons on the A4

Other than that...............

Im only going on the attachment.

EPM

Just to get it out of the way:D

Cookie_Monster

EPM wrote: »

Just to get it out of the way:D

I dunno... morning after pizza is pretty good :pac:

colm_mcm

To be honest, the bits they changed are all a backwards step from the original design.
I'd probably consider a Superb instead. but it's certainly good value.

roosterman71

Here's the full price list

Just seen its already posted. Apologies

dedon

Sorry didn't mean to post here