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Advice on Amp Simulator Software.
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17-11-2009 10:41am#1
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Thanks for the replies, much appreciated.
I should probably give an idea of how I use the software.
> Guitar
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> Real Pedals (Delay/Echo, Phaser, Flanger, Distortion)
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> Soundcard: (Guitar Rig/Amplitude)
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> BOSS RC50 Loop Station
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The Loop station connects to PC through USB and I can transfer the wav takes over and then load them up (I'm using Propellerhead RECORD/Reason).
This stops latency problems, plus I can midi synch the record controls to the
Other Tracks (drums/bass/keyboard etc).
I can then take the guitar tracks onto an editor and add plugins if needs be.
I haven't started using plugins much either so I'll be back at a later date to look for advice on that
Not the best setup, but I don't have room, time or money to setup an analogue recording setup and this is good enough and convenient enough for me at the moment. Everything is left setup taking up not a lot of space and I can just grab the guitar and record away instant.
I plan to just go into a studio and record analogue guitar if needs be at a later date.
Next thing I want to do is start modifying and saving the guitar settings for different sounds. What yous have said has been a great help cheers.
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Delay stomp box that's in chain *before* amp sim plugin? Bad idea, IMHO. Unless you're really happy with the sound. Might interact badly with any overdrive kind of effect. Of course, the bottom line is if it sounds good, it sounds good - but if it doesn't, then delay placement in the chain may be a possible explanation.
If you have a multi-channel soundcard, you could try simulating an insert loop of a real amp by using extra channels in the soundcard as effect send/return. But... don't do that, it's complicated, introduces latency and is Totally Not Worth It, IMHO.
A software delay effect (one in Guitar Rig or any delay VST) might sound good enough while not adding extra noise of a brick. Screw analogue purists here, even stomp box delays are really digital, well, with exception of a true tape echo
So, by using one of those, you're adding an extra A/D conversion step, then digital delay (not really a complex thing), then D/A conversion - and the converters in the delay pedal may be inferior to the ones in your sound card.
The only thing you'd miss by using software delay is the ability to switch it on/off using a pedal - probably can do it using MIDI (at least one of your keyboard has a foot controller input, so you're at least half-set ).
I had problems getting half-distorted on-the-edge sound from Guitar Rig, only clean and really distorted. But I didn't try really hard. Didn't try Amplitube at all, guitars are not my thing
You may take a look at a freeware VST plugin called Freeamp. It's not nearly as sophisticated as Guitar Rig, but for certain types of sounds it gives better results. Weird, I know!0 -
Delay stomp box that's in chain *before* amp sim plugin? Bad idea, IMHO. Unless you're really happy with the sound. Might interact badly with any overdrive kind of effect. Of course, the bottom line is if it sounds good, it sounds good - but if it doesn't, then delay placement in the chain may be a possible explanation.
If you have a multi-channel soundcard, you could try simulating an insert loop of a real amp by using extra channels in the soundcard as effect send/return. But... don't do that, it's complicated, introduces latency and is Totally Not Worth It, IMHO.
A software delay effect (one in Guitar Rig or any delay VST) might sound good enough while not adding extra noise of a brick. Screw analogue purists here, even stomp box delays are really digital, well, with exception of a true tape echo So, by using one of those, you're adding an extra A/D conversion step, then digital delay (not really a complex thing), then D/A conversion - and the converters in the delay pedal may be inferior to the ones in your sound card.
The only thing you'd miss by using software delay is the ability to switch it on/off using a pedal - probably can do it using MIDI (at least one of your keyboard has a foot controller input, so you're at least half-set ).
I had problems getting half-distorted on-the-edge sound from Guitar Rig, only clean and really distorted. But I didn't try really hard. Didn't try Amplitube at all, guitars are not my thing
You may take a look at a freeware VST plugin called Freeamp. It's not nearly as sophisticated as Guitar Rig, but for certain types of sounds it gives better results. Weird, I know!
I was using amplitube for just the amp pretty much and having my pedals take care of effects. I use a Akai headrush for delay which I really like so that's why I left it in the chain.
Thanks for the advice though, I never thought of the double A/D D/A parts of the chain.0 -
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