Will there be Civil Unrest in Ireland??

greenpilot

As A private sector worker on three days a week employment, bringing home the princely sum of 1500 per week, and hearing the general bitching between public and private sector workers, evictions of folks who cant, not wont, pay their council rent-The planned charge for perscriptions of 50cent per Item, the jailing of a young man for 5 days because he didnt pay a parking fine, and on, and on and on- It seems to me that there is a bubble expanding, and it will soon burst.

But why should it burst?? We Irish have splinters from sitting on the fence over the last few years. We are afraid to do what must be done. If this was Fance, goverment buildings would currently be occupied by very different people. I believeit is time that The Whole Country take to the Streets on the 24th and then every day henceforth to show EXACTLY how we feel. Plus it should be done before the Unions jump on the Band wagon and congratulate thenselves for "showing the boys who is the boss" The Unions dont run this Country-we, the ordinary people do.:mad:

greenpilot

OOOps, that should have been Monthly-apologies, Paul

CamperMan

I don't see much action here.. plenty of people moaning but not doing anything about it!!! I doub't there will be civil unrest.

CamperMan

greenpilot wrote: »

OOOps, that should have been Monthly-apologies, Paul

I thought 1500 per week was alot

meditraitor

greenpilot wrote: »

As A private sector worker on three days a week employment, bringing home the princely sum of 1500 per week, and hearing the general bitching between public and private sector workers, evictions of folks who cant, not wont, pay their council rent-The planned charge for perscriptions of 50cent per Item, the jailing of a young man for 5 days because he didnt pay a parking fine, and on, and on and on- It seems to me that there is a bubble expanding, and it will soon burst.

But why should it burst?? We Irish have splinters from sitting on the fence over the last few years. We are afraid to do what must be done. If this was Fance, goverment buildings would currently be occupied by very different people. I believeit is time that The Whole Country take to the Streets on the 24th and then every day henceforth to show EXACTLY how we feel. Plus it should be done before the Unions jump on the Band wagon and congratulate thenselves for "showing the boys who is the boss" The Unions dont run this Country-we, the ordinary people do.:mad:

What will Civil unrest achieve?

tapo

The government are happy if the private and public sectors are at each others throats.
It is up to the government to repair the imbalances between these two groups in the budget, but can you see this happening

As a private sector worker I find it increasingly difficult to have sympathy for the cocooned public servants

Nody

No.

meditraitor

tapo wrote: »

As a private sector worker I find it increasingly difficult to have sympathy for the cocooned public servants

Me too,,,,

P. Breathnach

tapo wrote: »

The government are happy if the private and public sectors are at each others throats...

A lot of people have claimed this, or something similar, to be the case. I don't believe it. I don't see how the government would see any advantage in it, either in making it easier to deal with our crises or in improving its prospects in future elections.

Dannyboy83

I don't think there will be, but its hard to say.

My experience is that most people don't take any interest in politics, they just curse the economy or Fianna Fail or the bankers.
That said, the first talk I've heard of actual violence being threatened from normal people on the street has been over this weekend about the teacher's strike.

The feeling I got was they expect politicians to be corrupt and to be creaming it, its a regular thing. But when the teachers are creaming it too, it strikes a bit closer to home, especially when so many people are struggling.

My guess is, if Cowen faces down the unions, there will be no unrest, but a lot of old teachers will retire due to pensions etc., meaning a lot of younger teachers will be happy. Just like we are seeing with the guards (more guards are retiring this year than the last several combined).

If Cowen submits to the unions and raises taxes to pay for them, then, I'd say there will be job losses, emigration and unrest.

Dannyboy83

meditraitor wrote: »

What will Civil unrest achieve?

Change we can believe in.

A lot done, more to do...............

LordDorington

greenpilot wrote: »

OOOps, that should have been Monthly-apologies, Paul

Ha! I was like....whats his point, 1500 a week is pretty good....

meditraitor

Dannyboy83 wrote: »

Change we can believe in.

A lot done, more to do...............

What change, please elaborate?

LordDorington

meditraitor wrote: »

Me too,,,,

Agreed.

LordDorington

greenpilot wrote: »

As A private sector worker on three days a week employment, bringing home the princely sum of 1500 per week, and hearing the general bitching between public and private sector workers, evictions of folks who cant, not wont, pay their council rent-The planned charge for perscriptions of 50cent per Item, the jailing of a young man for 5 days because he didnt pay a parking fine, and on, and on and on- It seems to me that there is a bubble expanding, and it will soon burst.

But why should it burst?? We Irish have splinters from sitting on the fence over the last few years. We are afraid to do what must be done. If this was Fance, goverment buildings would currently be occupied by very different people. I believeit is time that The Whole Country take to the Streets on the 24th and then every day henceforth to show EXACTLY how we feel. Plus it should be done before the Unions jump on the Band wagon and congratulate thenselves for "showing the boys who is the boss" The Unions dont run this Country-we, the ordinary people do.:mad:

Unfortunately the unions think they run this country, they use bully tactics, are money grabbing and care little about those who DONT have an annual subscription to them! When they are holding sick people, students and ordinary civilians to ransom, it is hard for them NOT to be allowed run the country.

Dannyboy83

meditraitor wrote: »

What change, please elaborate?

Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.

meditraitor

Dannyboy83 wrote: »

Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.

Come on, what is your point. Convince me to take up the pitchfork!

LordDorington

Dannyboy83 wrote: »

Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.

Unfortunately most people are more concerned with what their country can do for them.

LordDorington

CamperMan wrote: »

I don't see much action here.. plenty of people moaning but not doing anything about it!!! I doub't there will be civil unrest.

what would you suggest a singular person does?

Dannyboy83

meditraitor wrote: »

Come on, what is your point. Convince me to take up the pitchfork!

I'd love to, but I was reading the history books last night and speaking with the oul fella.

A lot of what we're living through right now is just a repeat of history, just that its on a bigger scale this time.

e..g House boom in the 70s, crash in the 80s
AIB have been bailed out countless times, for buying some insurance company that was bankrupt (we still pay levies on car insurance for this). Messing around with DIRT etc. Overcharging etc.

The Fas debacle is a carbon copy of its predecessor.

Even the politicians names are the same:D

Even get this, Stephen Ireland/Roy Keane. Both said the exact same things about amateurism and favouritism.

Honestly, If Dermot Morgan came down from the heavens tonight, he'd read the paper and say nothing has changed.

And as long as we are ruled from Dublin, it probably never will.

EDIT: For the simple people who think "ruled from Dublin" is an attack on Dubliners, it is a synonym for Irish rule.
It has nothing to do with Cork being the Capital, please don't be naieve.

LordDorington

Dannyboy83 wrote: »

I'd love to, but I was reading the history books last night and speaking with the oul fella.

A lot of what we're living through right now is just a repeat of history, just that its on a bigger scale this time.

e..g House boom in the 70s, crash in the 80s
AIB have been bailed out countless times, for buying some insurance company that was bankrupt (we still pay levies on car insurance for this). Messing around with DIRT etc. Overcharging etc.

The Fas debacle is a carbon copy of its predecessor.

Even the politicians names are the same:D

Even get this, Stephen Ireland/Roy Keane.

Honestly, If Dermot Morgan came down from the heavens tonight, he'd read the paper and say nothing has changed.

And as long as we are ruled from Dublin, it probably never will.

What do you mean by "as long as we are ruled from Dublin"?

P. Breathnach

LordDorington wrote: »

What do you mean by "as long as we are ruled from Dublin"?

Dannyboy83 is from Cork: isn't that explanation enough?

LordDorington

P. Breathnach wrote: »

Dannyboy83 is from Cork: isn't that explanation enough?

Ah right so, the old green eyed monster is it? Ha ha not to worry. I ahve no doubt that the location of the government has nothing to do with it's inefficiency (and btw WHAT a ridiculous argumetn??) but sure there you have it. The resentment towards Dubs will always be there, for whatever reason.

Though has it crossed his mind that a lot of the ministers are form outside of the Capital? Would Brian Cowen somehow do a better job in Offaly??? P-lease.....

Dannyboy83

LordDorington wrote: »

What do you mean by "as long as we are ruled from Dublin"?

We have a population of 4m. Great recipe for cronyism, nepotisim, corruption not just in politics but in the guards and private businesses etc.
Everybody knows everybody.

We have political dynasties. The sons of sons etc.
In a parliamentary system like ours, its not actually possible for an outsider like Barrack Obama to come in.

Why did we never see anybody get jail for the Anglo stuff?
Why does Roddy Molloy get a sweet deal, along with the regulator etc.
Why do British politicians have to repay the expenses and John O Donaghue will probably be re-elected.

How do people like Willie O'Dea or Jackie Healy Rae actually get to be politicians? :D:D

bigeasyeah

They re could but itll be by some group of extremists.

LordDorington

Dannyboy83 wrote: »

We have a population of 4m. Great recipe for cronyism, nepotisim, corruption not just in politics but in the guards and private businesses etc.
Everybody knows everybody.

We have political dynasties. The sons of sons etc.
In a parliamentary system like ours, its not actually possible for an outsider like Barrack Obama to come in.

Why did we never see anybody get jail for the Anglo stuff?
Why does Roddy Molloy get a sweet deal, along with the regulator etc.
Why do British politicians have to repay the expenses and John O Donaghue will probably be re-elected.

How do people like Willie O'Dea or Jackie Healy Rae actually get to be politicians? :D:D

Are you actually saying these words? zzzzzzz

Dannyboy83

LordDorington wrote: »

Are you actually saying these words? zzzzzzz

erm.................no, I'm writing them.

I can say them to myself as I write if you wish, but I have to admit, it'll feel a little funny.

LordDorington

Dannyboy83 wrote: »

erm.................no, I'm writing them.

I can say them to myself as I write if you wish, but I have to admit, it'll feel a little funny.

I think you know exactly what I mean, there is no need to interpret my expression of your idiocy like a simpleton (though you can if you wish)
I am so not getting into a "we should be the capital" argument again.

Home now so goodbye...........!!!!!!!!!

Dannyboy83

LordDorington wrote: »

I think you know exactly what I mean, there is no need to interpret my expression of your idiocy like a simpleton (though you can if you wish)
I am so not getting into a "we should be the capital" argument again.

FPMSL:D:D:D:D

Is that what you thought my point was?
That Cork should be the Capital?
Are we back in primary school again?:D:D:D

dresden8

Dannyboy83 wrote: »

We have a population of 4m. Great recipe for cronyism, nepotisim, corruption not just in politics but in the guards and private businesses etc.
Everybody knows everybody.

We have political dynasties. The sons of sons etc.
In a parliamentary system like ours, its not actually possible for an outsider like Barrack Obama to come in.

Why did we never see anybody get jail for the Anglo stuff?
Why does Roddy Molloy get a sweet deal, along with the regulator etc.
Why do British politicians have to repay the expenses and John O Donaghue will probably be re-elected.

How do people like Willie O'Dea or Jackie Healy Rae actually get to be politicians? :D:D

Which of those people you are giving out about are from Dublin?

I think you'll find they're all boggers, apart from Obama, and he ain't exactly from Sherriff Street.

Dannyboy83

Oh Sweet Jesus, give me patience...............

It has nothing to do with Dublin or Dubliners!

mrgaa1

1500 a month on 3 days a week? I take home 1200 a month for 5 days a week. what do you do?

dresden8

Dannyboy83 wrote: »

Oh Sweet Jesus, give me patience...............

It has nothing to do with Dublin or Dubliners!

Hey, you brought it up, sneaky edit or no.

Bob the Seducer

Looking outside and not seeing Zimbabwe I don't think there'll be any real civil unrest. Things are worse than they were a few years ago but it's not exactly the end of the world. The political issues we have aren't new, It's been the same for decades it's just they were ignored when times were good.

Dannyboy83

dresden8 wrote: »

Hey, you brought it up, sneaky edit or no.

Look dresden, just because your angry about having to take your paycut, doesn't mean you have a right to take it out on me.

That creates civil unrest;)

Point out the sneaky edit if you wish, the original post is quoted above, and I have specified in the original what the change is with the word EDIT.

Dannyboy83

Anyway, why is Cowen advocating reform of the public sector, but said nothing about Ministerial pay cuts, and the banks still got their 3%.

Its just more of the same, nothing really changes very much in this little country.
Its just political dynasties and galway tents etc.

meathstevie

P. Breathnach wrote: »

A lot of people have claimed this, or something similar, to be the case. I don't believe it. I don't see how the government would see any advantage in it, either in making it easier to deal with our crises or in improving its prospects in future elections.

Because divide and rule is a proven strategy.

P. Breathnach

meathstevie wrote: »

Because divide and rule is a proven strategy.

To achieve what?

DublinWriter

I'm more curious to see if there'll be civil unrest on the Pat Kenny TV show tonight.

Dannyboy83

DublinWriter wrote: »

I'm more curious to see if there'll be civil unrest on the Pat Kenny TV show tonight.

I almost forgot, thanks for the reminder.

10.35 on RTE 1.

Liam Byrne

dresden8 wrote: »

Which of those people you are giving out about are from Dublin?

I think you'll find they're all boggers, apart from Obama, and he ain't exactly from Sherriff Street.

The most cunning, devious money-taker / scheister / economy-****er-upper of them all was from where, exactly ?

P. Breathnach

Liam Byrne wrote: »

The most cunning, devious money-taker / scheister / economy-****er-upper of them all was from where, exactly ?

Son of a Corkman.

Scofflaw

Liam Byrne wrote: »

The most cunning, devious money-taker / scheister / economy-****er-upper of them all was from where, exactly ?

Best of everything comes from Dublin!

cordially,
Scofflaw

Dannyboy83

P. Breathnach wrote: »

Son of a Corkman.

LOL, Both his parents were from Cork I believe.

Not that it has anything to do with this, LOL.

EDIT: Ahern is the youngest of five children of Con Ahern and Julia Ahern (née Hourihane), both natives of Co. Cork.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertie_Ahern

Dannyboy83

Scofflaw wrote: »

Best of everything comes from Dublin!

cordially,
Scofflaw

Too true, I was born in the rotunda;)

Scofflaw

Dannyboy83 wrote: »

LOL, Both his parents were from Cork I believe.

Not that it has anything to do with this, LOL.

EDIT: Ahern is the youngest of five children of Con Ahern and Julia Ahern (née Hourihane), both natives of Co. Cork.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertie_Ahern

Give us your skilful, your cunning, your devious...

cordially,
Scofflaw

P. Breathnach

Dannyboy83 wrote: »

Too true, I was born in the rotunda;)

Fecking Northsider!

Dannyboy83

LMFAO:D:D

rinty

There might me unconstructive civil unrest,the days of ideolgy are over;some say. With loyalty to the political dynasty's,dont be supprised if nothing happens.Absolute gangster politicions get turfed out ,yet their sons and daughters get elected with ease.No one gives a **** in this country. too bussy missing the 6 o clock news for expose.. The plain people of Ireland will blame the balcks and poles and everything except their grandads party.
Last year in the swimming pool sauna,i heard a few men blaming the eastern europeans for the rise in car accidents. So their wont be civil unrest just attacks and KKK style bitching. As marx put it good old "false consciousness".

Amigomenor

short answer is yes. Unfortunately we have a tiered society that is not even able to sustain itself. The other thing is that its not just Ireland that is in a bad way but also the entire world, the US think that they can just print money all day long.
We have seen a bounce in the stock market but that is going drop again very soon, brace yourselves!

irish_bob

LordDorington wrote: »

Unfortunately most people are more concerned with what their country can do for them.

in ireland , most definatley , as david mcwillams said , we want danish public services with denver taxes , i dont want danish public services BTW , was refering to the majority , we like the nanny state in this country but dont want to pay for it