Racist bad? Fattist okay?

Danniboo

Before I get slated I am not excusing this persons actions for a minute.

A guy I know was being bullied by coloured guy in his class for a few months and this guy kept slagging him off for being fat. He kept calling him fatty e.tc.

This guy used the "N" word one day when he lost the head with this bully.

Anyways needless to say the bully wasn't reprimanded at all however the other guy got into royal sh!t for making a racist remark.

Surely both guys should have received the same punishment should they not????

I have to stress this guy should have not have used the "N" word i'm in no way saying that it is okay to retaliate with such behaviour.

Kooli

The reason discrimination against people on the basis of race is prohibited by law is because race is an internal, genetic, unchangeable part of a human, so there is no way they should be targetted as a result of it. Same as gender, ethnicity, disability etc. (religion I would believe is a bit of a grey area and I'm not sure why it's protected by the same legislation, but that's a conversation for another day!)

Fatness, however, is not comparable. It is a health condition, mostly brought on by lifestyle. And even without debating who is to blame and how hard it is to lose weight, the distinction between being black and being fat should be pretty clear.

Danniboo

Kooli wrote: »

The reason discrimination against people on the basis of race is prohibited by law is because race is an internal, genetic, unchangeable part of a human, so there is no way they should be targetted as a result of it. Same as gender, ethnicity, disability etc. (religion I would believe is a bit of a grey area and I'm not sure why it's protected by the same legislation, but that's a conversation for another day!)

Fatness, however, is not comparable. It is a health condition, mostly brought on by lifestyle. And even without debating who is to blame and how hard it is to lose weight, the distinction between being black and being fat should be pretty clear.

Yes but how many times a day do we see on tv people that are obese and it is "genetic"?

shellyboo

Danniboo wrote: »

Yes but how many times a day do we see on tv people that are obese and it is "genetic"?

99% of the time it's not though. People are fat because they choose to be, for the most part. If you're actively doing something about your weight in conjunction with doctors, it WILL come off, naturally or medically.

I'm not saying it's ok to hate fat people or be prejudiced against fat people, it's not - but equating it to racism is trivialising racism to the point of ridiculousness.

Being fat is a lifestyle choice, your skin colour is not.

Shabbah

Kooli wrote: »

the distinction between being black and being fat should be pretty clear.

Enough said.

Danniboo

shellyboo wrote: »

99% of the time it's not though. People are fat because they choose to be, for the most part. If you're actively doing something about your weight in conjunction with doctors, it WILL come off, naturally or medically.

I'm not saying it's ok to hate fat people or be prejudiced against fat people, it's not - but equating it to racism is trivialising racism to the point of ridiculousness.

Being fat is a lifestyle choice, your skin colour is not.

As i've said in other posts I was a size 8 and because of medication i've put on nearly two stone. It wasn't a lifestyle choice for me to be ill and need medication that would stop my liver burning fat. Your statement is a gross generalization.

Danniboo

Shabbah wrote: »

Enough said.

Discrimination is discrimination in my view. It is still having a problem with people because of what you see at face value.

Denerick

The reality is that if a black person is slagging off somebody for being fat in a class full of white people, he should expect some kind of retaliation. Thats just common sense. I'm not excusing it but you do reap what you sow.

scanlas

How about this one, racism is bad but speciesism isn't.

The fact that the fat guy called him a ****** doesn't mean he is racist, he could just have wanted to make the black lad feel bad in retaliation.

shellyboo

Danniboo wrote: »

As i've said in other posts I was a size 8 and because of medication i've put on nearly two stone. It wasn't a lifestyle choice for me to be ill and need medication that would stop my liver burning fat. Your statement is a gross generalization.

So you're in the 1% that does actually have a medical issue. The MAJORITY of fat people do not have a medical issue - so yes, it is a generalisation, but a generalisation that is true.

You can't give out to me for generalising and then expect to give all fat people a free pass on being responsible for their own weight just because YOU have a medical issue.. that's generalising too!

I'm fat myself, and it's 100% my own fault. I'm not ashamed of that, or myself though. It's a lifestyle choice that I am making, and I take responsibility for that. I don't want compassion or pity, I don't need it - I'm just fat. So what? It's not a disease.

Danniboo

Shellyboo - Hmmm?? 1%. What are you basing this on. Seriously I get your point but are you just pulling these figures out of the Sky. 10% of women have the same condition as me and the majority of them are overweight because of it. So that alone is more than 1%

shellyboo

Danniboo wrote: »

Shellyboo - Hmmm?? 1%. What are you basing this on. Seriously I get your point but are you just pulling these figures out of the Sky. 10% of women have the same condition as me and the majority of them are overweight because of it. So that alone is more than 1%

PCOS, is it? It's perfectly possible to manage your weight if you have PCOS, Yeah, it's much harder, but it's still possible.


Anyway, unless you're trying to tell me that 100% of fat people are fat because they have a medical issue, your point doesn't stand. They're not. Most people are fat because they eat too much and don't exercise enough. Simple as that. Nothing wrong with that, imo. It's a choice.

Bottle_of_Smoke

Being bullied for being fat over a period of months gives him a right to retaliate with whatever he wants to say.

The black kid should have been dealt with over the bullying a long time ago.

scanlas wrote:

The fact that the fat guy called him a ****** doesn't mean he is racist, he could just have wanted to make the black lad feel bad in retaliation.

Nail on head.

Handsome Bob

Kooli wrote: »

The reason discrimination against people on the basis of race is prohibited by law is because race is an internal, genetic, unchangeable part of a human, so there is no way they should be targetted as a result of it. Same as gender, ethnicity, disability etc. (religion I would believe is a bit of a grey area and I'm not sure why it's protected by the same legislation, but that's a conversation for another day!)

Fatness, however, is not comparable. It is a health condition, mostly brought on by lifestyle. And even without debating who is to blame and how hard it is to lose weight, the distinction between being black and being fat should be pretty clear.

I pretty much took from this that you think it's cool for someone to be bullied for being fat.

Denerick

LZ5by5 wrote: »

I pretty much took from this that you think it's cool for someone to be bullied for being fat.

Nah, I think he was making the point that there is a difference between discrimination on the innate (Such as race, religion (Technically), sexuality, ethnicity, birthplace, social class... etc.) These are things people are unable to control and should not be a barrier for social mobility in an egalitarian society. However discrimination on the superficial (Weight, clothes people wear, football team they support etc.) are things people can and do control, so the moral difference is clear and distinct. Its still, of course, not ok to bully anyone, but there is no such thing as an equality between innate discrimination and superficial discrimination.

Coriolanus

Well, it lacks a certain elegance. If I was the teacher who took the report I'd be reprimanding him more for his lack of imagination than anything else.

Anyway, all seriousness aside, obviously they were both in the wrong. I don't see how you get the conclusion that the school authorities, or society in general doesn't think fat people deserve the full protection of the law/school charter or whatever it might come under. (I think we had a "Dignity Agreement in school")

Anyway, what the fat kid should have done is what the black kid obviously did, go to the school authorities.

Oh, and for everyone who says "of course it's not the same thing" well, in the eyes of the law, discrimination on any grounds is equal to discrimination on any other grounds. I'm honestly shocked that people see a moral difference on the part of the discriminator.

Denerick

Nevore wrote: »

Oh, and for everyone who says "of course it's not the same thing" well, in the eyes of the law, discrimination on any grounds is equal to discrimination on any other grounds. I'm honestly shocked that people see a moral difference on the part of the discriminator.

What law is this? Sounds new to me!

Of course there is a moral difference when it comes to discrimination. There's such a world of difference between discriminating against people who like Radiohead and discriminating against people because they are black. I'm honestly shocked that people don't see a moral difference on the part of the discriminator:P.

Zombrex

I hate this kind of nonsense, probably because of a some what traumatic experience I had myself. I was being bullied on a GAA team I played on when I was about 11. The coaches, two old men, really did nothing about this, despite both verbal and some times physical bullying.

One day, after we were talking back from training and I was being taunted about my "funny walk" the whole way I eventually after trying to laugh it off I told one kid to "**** off"

The two coaches came over and pulled me aside and gave me a harsh telling off saying that such language was not acceptable. I was so angry that they basically ignored the slagging and bullying but I say a bad word and I get given out to with the rest of the kids giggling over in the car park.

So I have every sympathy with this kid. I very much doubt he has formed a racially stereotypical view of black people that has lead to a racist view point, he said that word in an act of retaliation, in an act of self defence.

In fact it is just like self defence. A white kid hitting a black kid because he is black is racist. A white kid hitting a black kid because the black kid is beating him up is not racist. This was a verbal attack but it was done is frustration and self defence.

Coriolanus

Denerick wrote: »

What law is this? Sounds new to me!

Employment Equality Act 1999 for one, there's also the one that covers consumer affairs, that makes illegal discriminatory service practises etc etc

Of course there is a moral difference when it comes to discrimination. There's such a world of difference between discriminating against people who like Radiohead and discriminating against people because they are black. I'm honestly shocked that people don't see a moral difference on the part of the discriminator:P.

Well, this, and a lot of other rhetoric serves to illustrate peoples general ignorance about the topic.
Discrimination is: treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit.
Whether the person has been born black or "chose" to be fat is regardless, in a purportedly meritocratic West that rewards ability and so forth, then yeah, there's no moral difference between passing over one guy for promotion because he's black and passing another over because he's fat and you dissaprove of it personally.

Handsome Bob

Denerick wrote: »

Nah, I think he was making the point that there is a difference between discrimination on the innate (Such as race, religion (Technically), sexuality, ethnicity, birthplace, social class... etc.) These are things people are unable to control and should not be a barrier for social mobility in an egalitarian society. However discrimination on the superficial (Weight, clothes people wear, football team they support etc.) are things people can and do control, so the moral difference is clear and distinct. Its still, of course, not ok to bully anyone, but there is no such thing as an equality between innate discrimination and superficial discrimination.

I know the difference between innate and superficial discrimination thanks, I was simply referring to his/her distinct lack of care for the fact this kid was being bullied for weeks. So what if it's "his choice"? That is absolutely no excuse. A child can make a choice to be goth but can be mercilessly bullied for "deviating" from the norm. Is that okay? Is it justified?

Denerick

Nevore wrote: »

Employment Equality Act 1999 for one, there's also the one that covers consumer affairs, that makes illegal discriminatory service practises etc etc


Well, this, and a lot of other rhetoric serves to illustrate peoples general ignorance about the topic.
Discrimination is: treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit.
Whether the person has been born black or "chose" to be fat is regardless, in a purportedly meritocratic West that rewards ability and so forth, then yeah, there's no moral difference between passing over one guy for promotion because he's black and passing another over because he's fat and you dissaprove of it personally.

General ignorance? Get off your high horse please, rhetoric like that doesn't help.

I was simply making the point that there most certainly is a difference between superficial and innate discrimination, and a very big moral ramification. This idea that all are equal is absurd, when it comes to lifestyle choices all are very different indeed. To discriminate against a black man is horrible, just as horrible as discriminating against a fat person (When it comes to the working world for example) But the difference is clear (What you are inside and what you choose to do) and its unfortunate when rhetoric tries to claim otherwise. When you put racial discrimination and weight discrimination on the same plate you only serve to degrade the term.

Denerick

LZ5by5 wrote: »

I know the difference between innate and superficial discrimination thanks, I was simply referring to his/her distinct lack of care for the fact this kid was being bullied for weeks. So what if it's "his choice"? That is absolutely no excuse. A child can make a choice to be goth but can be mercilessly bullied for "deviating" from the norm. Is that okay? Is it justified?

What? Are you deliberately misinterpreting what I'm saying to wind me up or something?

I clearly said that bullying is wrong, but it is important to recognise the moral difference between discriminating against someone for what they do than for what they are.

Denerick

Nevore wrote: »

Oh, and for everyone who says "of course it's not the same thing" well, in the eyes of the law, discrimination on any grounds is equal to discrimination on any other grounds. I'm honestly shocked that people see a moral difference on the part of the discriminator.

Reading this paragraph again, would I be right in thinking that you equate 'the law' with 'morality'? Because if you do we might as well stop talking alltogether as you're not on the same wavelength here at all.

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o1s1n

foxcomm wrote: »

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Free speech does not mean you have the right to slander/insult someone because of their personal appearance.

Someone who is black is black by description. That is what they are. That is not racist. In this 'socially policed state' You can call a black person a black person without thinking twice. It's not until you use words like n***** that you become racist. A word which is a racial slur rather than a simple description.

Fat people on the other hand are fat by description. Therefore similar to calling a black person black, it shouldn't be a problem. But it is. As the vast majority of overweight people don't like being referred to by their weight.

kowloon

Child is being bullied, child hits back at his bully with what he believes will hurt the bully most. This is normal behaviour, kids hit at each other with the most vicious words they can come up with, at least that was the case when I was younger. The only event that meritted a reprieve was the death of a family member.

To reprimand the one kid and not the other after the situation was made clear is a sign that school authorities are out of touch with the children they're responsible for, so nothing has changed.

AARRRGH

Danniboo wrote: »

As i've said in other posts I was a size 8 and because of medication i've put on nearly two stone.

Can I ask you three questions?

How tall are you?
How many calories do you eat per day?
How much exercise do you do?

Dudess

foxcomm wrote: »

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One is choice (generally speaking), the other isn't. And "black person" is not the same as "n***er".

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o1s1n

foxcomm wrote: »

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Don't get me wrong, I'm not judging you. I'd just consider you a racist.

Zombrex

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These arguments always reek of hypocrisy.

You are complaining that the "PC police" won't let people say what they want to say, but then you roundly criticise people who disagree with you as if they shouldn't do that.

So what, you are allowed say what you want to say but those who wish to object to what you are saying aren't? How does that work? Free speech for all so long as you agree with me?

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Danniboo

shellyboo wrote: »

PCOS, is it? It's perfectly possible to manage your weight if you have PCOS, Yeah, it's much harder, but it's still possible.


Anyway, unless you're trying to tell me that 100% of fat people are fat because they have a medical issue, your point doesn't stand. They're not. Most people are fat because they eat too much and don't exercise enough. Simple as that. Nothing wrong with that, imo. It's a choice.

I take it then you either have this condition or are some sort of medical expert, please do tell. Yes you can manage your weight. But some of the meds make you gain weight.

Danniboo

AARRRGH wrote: »

Can I ask you three questions?

How tall are you?
How many calories do you eat per day?
How much exercise do you do?

This is irrelevant to this post.

the_syco

Danniboo wrote: »

Anyways needless to say the bully wasn't reprimanded at all however the other guy got into royal sh!t for making a racist remark.

A white male can have all the abuse thrown at them, but should they respond, they wil get in trouble. BS, tbh.

shellyboo wrote: »

I'm fat myself, and it's 100% my own fault.

And thus becase it's your fault for being fat, it must be other big peoples fault for being big? Your logic is f**ked up.

=-=

By the by, had the white kid retalitated in any way, it would have been seen as racist, as a white kid was attacking a negro.

shellyboo

Danniboo wrote: »

Yes you can manage your weight. But some of the meds make you gain weight.

I know. I'm not disputing that.

All I'm saying is that "but I have a medical condition" is not going to make people stop hating you for being fat. Those who hate fat people don't care WHY, they just care that they have to look at us. We blight their landscape. There's no reasoning with that sort of person, logic and argument is futile with them.

Just like you can't argue a racist out of racism, or a homophobic out of hating gays. It's prejudice, pure and simple - but it's still not on the same level as either of those.

the_syco wrote: »

And thus becase it's your fault for being fat, it must be other big peoples fault for being big? Your logic is f**ked up.
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I didn't say that, and I didn't even imply it, either. I'm merely pointing out the distinction between race - something nobody gets to choose, ever - and weight - something the vast majority of people have control over.

You can change your weight. Yes, even if you have a medical condition. You cannot change your race. Simple as that. It's not ok to judge someone for how they look, and I never said it was - but to equate fat hatred to racism is belittling racism, imo.

If you're fat, either take responsibility for it, accept it, or do something about. Then people can call you whatever they like and you won't care. People will always find something to throw at you in an argument. If you're black, it's your race. If you're fat, it's your weight. If you have a big nose, it's your nose. If you're dyslexic, you're slow. If you're blonde, you're a ditz. Wear a low cut top, you're a slut.


It's not ok to judge anyone in any of the ways above, but people still do it. It's human nature and that's never, ever, going to change. If people abuse you for being fat - deal with it, or change it. And if you decide to change it, well, let me know what else people find to abuse you about. Because they will find something.


I just don't agree with this defensive attitude about possible medical conditions that somebody might have, or reasons and excuses why they might be fat that would mean it's not really their fault. It's unnecessary. Why should I have to defend my reasons for a personal choice that affects absolutely nobody but me?

It's like someone coming along and abusing me because I choose to wear black socks every day. Would I turn around and start stammering excuses? "I have a genetic condition that means I'm allergic to other colours of socks/those are the only ones the shop sells/I'm too poor to buy new socks"... No, I'd tell them to feck off and mind their own business, and I'd also think they were mental for caring about someone else's sock choice.

If I wanted to lose weight, I could. Right now, I don't want to. Too busy enjoying my life, tbh. It's not a medical condition, it's my choice and I will defend that choice as is my right - but I'll defend it with the truth and not hypothetical arguments and statistics.

AARRRGH

Danniboo wrote: »

This is irrelevant to this post.

No it's not.

I know a person who also claims they are obese due to medication, yet any normal person would be obese if they had her sedentary lifestyle and poor diet.

Find me a fat person who doesn't have a bad diet/sedentary lifestyle and I'll eat my hat.

Danniboo

shellyboo wrote: »

I know. I'm not disputing that.

All I'm saying is that "but I have a medical condition" is not going to make people stop hating you for being fat. Those who hate fat people don't care WHY, they just care that they have to look at us. We blight their landscape. There's no reasoning with that sort of person, logic and argument is futile with them.

Just like you can't argue a racist out of racism, or a homophobic out of hating gays. It's prejudice, pure and simple - but it's still not on the same level as either of those.



I didn't say that, and I didn't even imply it, either. I'm merely pointing out the distinction between race - something nobody gets to choose, ever - and weight - something the vast majority of people have control over.

You can change your weight. Yes, even if you have a medical condition. You cannot change your race. Simple as that. It's not ok to judge someone for how they look, and I never said it was - but to equate fat hatred to racism is belittling racism, imo.

If you're fat, either take responsibility for it, accept it, or do something about. Then people can call you whatever they like and you won't care. People will always find something to throw at you in an argument. If you're black, it's your race. If you're fat, it's your weight. If you have a big nose, it's your nose. If you're dyslexic, you're slow. If you're blonde, you're a ditz. Wear a low cut top, you're a slut.


It's not ok to judge anyone in any of the ways above, but people still do it. It's human nature and that's never, ever, going to change. If people abuse you for being fat - deal with it, or change it. And if you decide to change it, well, let me know what else people find to abuse you about. Because they will find something.


I just don't agree with this defensive attitude about possible medical conditions that somebody might have, or reasons and excuses why they might be fat that would mean it's not really their fault. It's unnecessary. Why should I have to defend my reasons for a personal choice that affects absolutely nobody but me?

It's like someone coming along and abusing me because I choose to wear black socks every day. Would I turn around and start stammering excuses? "I have a genetic condition that means I'm allergic to other colours of socks/those are the only ones the shop sells/I'm too poor to buy new socks"... No, I'd tell them to feck off and mind their own business, and I'd also think they were mental for caring about someone else's sock choice.

If I wanted to lose weight, I could. Right now, I don't want to. Too busy enjoying my life, tbh. It's not a medical condition, it's my choice and I will defend that choice as is my right - but I'll defend it with the truth and not hypothetical arguments and statistics.

What the hell are you on about you obviously don't know anything about PCOS. It's not an excuse it's a fact how can you say "you can easily manage your weight with PCOS" when you don't know the first thing about it. PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH !!!!!.Don't telll people it's easy to lose weight etc when you've done nothing about it yourself. Let me explain to you one last time in the hope it might register .My tablets STOP my liver from burning fat, now how is that my fault. Are you trying to make yourself feel better by saying its my fault i'm fat so everyone else it must be there fault their fat. You equate enjoying your life with being fat... WTF???? You can't come on here and say 1% of people have a medical condition and you can easily lose weight with this condition when you know nothing about it. Just because you lead a lifestyle that makes you fat doesn't mean the same applies to everyone else.

Danniboo

AARRRGH wrote: »

No it's not.

I know a person who also claims they are obese due to medication, yet any normal person would be obese if they had her sedentary lifestyle and poor diet.

Find me a fat person who doesn't have a bad diet/sedentary lifestyle and I'll eat my hat.

Another doctor or medical expert I see. Stop being a troll.

AARRRGH

Danniboo wrote: »

Another doctor or medical expert I see. Stop being a troll.

I'm not being a troll. It's interesting my post has made you defensive.

The point I am making is relevant.

You cannot choose your race, but you can choose your waist size, so comparing racism with being a fattist is like comparing apples and oranges.

hobochris

Danniboo wrote: »

Another doctor or medical expert I see. Stop being a troll.

So anyone with a different view to yours is a troll? :rolleyes:

I'm 3-4 stone overweight, I've no medical reason for it. guess who's fault it is that I'm currently fat?MINE! Its something I can(and am currently trying to) change through diet and exercise.

It's my fault and no one Else's. If some one wants to comment about my weight, while it might be insensitive, It would not have the same social taboo as commenting on someones race would, so there for should be as socially acceptable as any other non discriminatory comment or observation.

shellyboo

Danniboo wrote: »

What the hell are you on about you obviously don't know anything about PCOS. It's not an excuse it's a fact how can you say "you can easily manage your weight with PCOS" when you don't know the first thing about it. PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH !!!!!.Don't telll people it's easy to lose weight etc when you've done nothing about it yourself. Let me explain to you one last time in the hope it might register .My tablets STOP my liver from burning fat, now how is that my fault. Are you trying to make yourself feel better by saying its my fault i'm fat so everyone else it must be there fault their fat. You equate enjoying your life with being fat... WTF???? You can't come on here and say 1% of people have a medical condition and you can easily lose weight with this condition when you know nothing about it. Just because you lead a lifestyle that makes you fat doesn't mean the same applies to everyone else.

Did you bother to read any of the rest of my post? I'm not talking about medical conditions at all. If you insist on taking my post as a personal attack then I'm not bothered to debate with you any more, tbh.

the_syco

shellyboo wrote: »

It's not ok to judge someone for how they look, and I never said it was - but to equate fat hatred to racism is belittling racism, imo.

Bullying is bullying.

As for the n***** word, someone should have told the kid that only black people can call other black people, as well as white people n*****s, and that white people can call other white people n*****s, but white people can't call black people n*****s, as using the word in that context is wrong. N***** is not a racist word, funningly enough, it's the context in which it's used is when it becomes racist.

In the OP's post, it can be deemed as racist, and it seems the school is tripping itself around the black kid (not pulling him up on the bullying) as they don't want to be seen as being racist. The race card can be played a bit too much, though, and if the school does nothing in regards the bulying, the kid may do one of three things:
a) respond with violence
b) kill himself
c) accept that he can't do anything, that the school won't do anything.

shellyboo

the_syco wrote: »

Bullying is bullying.

Yeah, but fattism is not racism. Your point?

There's no excuse for bullying. But to say fattism is the same as racism is ridiculous.

Kooli

Nevore wrote: »

Oh, and for everyone who says "of course it's not the same thing" well, in the eyes of the law, discrimination on any grounds is equal to discrimination on any other grounds. I'm honestly shocked that people see a moral difference on the part of the discriminator.

Nevore wrote: »

Employment Equality Act 1999 for one, there's also the one that covers consumer affairs, that makes illegal discriminatory service practises etc etc


Well, this, and a lot of other rhetoric serves to illustrate peoples general ignorance about the topic.
Discrimination is: treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit.
Whether the person has been born black or "chose" to be fat is regardless, in a purportedly meritocratic West that rewards ability and so forth, then yeah, there's no moral difference between passing over one guy for promotion because he's black and passing another over because he's fat and you dissaprove of it personally.

How can you be so wrong? You actually quote the act, and then say that discrimination is the same regardless of WHAT the grounds are, when in fact the act states that:

"The Directives require all EU member states to prohibit discrimination, harassment and victimisation on the grounds of gender, racial or ethnic origin, religion or belief, disability, age or sexual orientation"

That is a very clear distinction, and not, as you say 'equal to discrimination on any grounds'. Nothing about fatness in there...

Danniboo

AARRRGH wrote: »

I'm not being a troll. It's interesting my post has made you defensive.

The point I am making is relevant.

You cannot choose your race, but you can choose your waist size, so comparing racism with being a fattist is like comparing apples and oranges.

Have you actually read my post????

Danniboo

shellyboo wrote: »

Did you bother to read any of the rest of my post? I'm not talking about medical conditions at all. If you insist on taking my post as a personal attack then I'm not bothered to debate with you any more, tbh.

Finally we can agree on something you're views are so ridiculous I have no interested in dicussing this with you. I'm fat because of my lifestyle i'm gonna tell everyone else it should be easy to lose weight even though i'm not going to and on top of it i'm going to discriminate against fat people. Issues!!!!

Danniboo

Mods can you close this thread, its turned to nothing more than verbal diarrohea and has gone completey off topic. Thanks

AARRRGH

Danniboo wrote: »

Have you actually read my post????

I have.

I don't agree racism and fattism are the same, or even close.

As stated, you choose to be fat. You don't choose to be black or white or yellow.