Out with the new broom, in with the old broom at the FIA

Slutmonkey57b

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80141

Hilarious:

"The FIA condemns the selective leaking of extracts from Mr Briatore's pleadings to the Tribunal de Grande Instance in Paris," said the FIA in a statement.

Ahhaaaaa haaa... ****ing hell.

Oblomov

If Favio felt so strongly.. why did he not represent himself either with or without legal brief at the original 'Spy Gate' hearing

The pre-hearing blurb is to try and influence the membership of the senate hearing...

As Shakespeare said, Oh what web we weave when first we practice to deceive.

And, be fair, Flavio does have some previous.

Pdfile

Oblomov wrote: »

If Favio felt so strongly.. why did he not represent himself either with or without legal brief at the original 'Spy Gate' hearing

The pre-hearing blurb is to try and influence the membership of the senate hearing...

As Shakespeare said, Oh what web we weave when first we practice to deceive.

And, be fair, Flavio does have some previous.

F1 has been a load of *insert swear word* since 1994. :mad:

Slutmonkey57b

The FIA have already admitted the result was discussed and fixed before the hearing took place.

Oblomov

The FIA have already admitted the result was discussed and fixed before the hearing took place.

When and where did they do that?

Slutmonkey57b

One of the members of the council in an interview a few days after the event said that the decision had been reached "to everyone's satisfaction" following several meetings a few days beforehand.

So while Flav in unquestionably a dodgy character, so is everyone else, which means the FIA should be very wary of his suit.

Oblomov

One of the members of the council in an interview a few days after the event said that the decision had been reached "to everyone's satisfaction" following several meetings a few days beforehand.

Where was that? The Daily Onion?

That's a bit ambiguous and with no names or ....

Slutmonkey57b

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.php?fes_art_id=39077

http://www.thenational.ae/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090922/SPORT/709219875/1043/NATIONAL

Google is your friend etc etc etc.

Oblomov

Yewp, you got that right..

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/mohammed-ben-sulayem-keeping-renault-in-f1-was-main-target-11273.html

But, Mohammed Ben Sulayen is refferring to the exclusion of Renault not the punishment of Flavio....

Selective editing... bad lad.

Slutmonkey57b

What are you talking about? Flav is suing because he alleges the hearing was a sham. You've asked for evidence. I've posted evidence from one of the people who voted in the hearing, who states clearly that it was a sham because they decided the result beforehand. This is like arguing with vectra.

Oblomov

You posted a link with a man declaring that the Renault decision was taken before the meeting and nothing about Flavio.

Subtle difference.

Slutmonkey57b

Clearly a waste of time.
Flavio's suit revolves around the point that this was not a fair hearing, that he was not given a chance to defend himself.
You asked for evidence.
I provided a link where a member of the FIA who voted in the hearing admits it was a pre-arranged sham.

Where you're getting the idea I'm being inconsistant is beyond me.
Vectra II the revenge.
edit: After a short break Vectra has rehabilitated his commentaries. Perhaps there's some sort of posting virus that skips from host to host and makes them refuse to acknowledge what's in front of their face.

Oblomov

Yawn.... Oh dear, having to explain is just boring... because you post a URL that appears at first glance to support your point of view doesn't mean anything.. becaue if you read, or at least try and understand , that the opinion is that the decision to allow Renault to escape lightly was made prior to the meeting. Exactly where does it say anything about Flavio?

Flav was given every opportunity to attend, produce evidence and state his case. The man didn't..... as plain as that.

The guy refused to attend. and when Judgement was past, he threw the toys out of the pram and started to scream... Typical.

But, you may indulge yourself in posting sites that appear to agree with your opinion. but, the guy you refer to is also the man that promoted Max 'Spanky' Mosley to prevent Spanky being voted out. Hardly the good upright and virtuous character you put so much credence in.

We have different sources of info and if you care to download the transcript and read the contents of the hearing instead of quoting others you may find your opinion does not hold any any validity.

Slutmonkey57b

Oblomov wrote: »

Yawn.... Oh dear, having to explain is just boring... because you post a URL that appears at first glance to support your point of view doesn't mean anything.. becaue if you read, or at least try and understand , that the opinion is that the decision to allow Renault to escape lightly was made prior to the meeting. Exactly where does it say anything about Flavio?

Deciding Renault's fate before the hearing proves very clearly, unambiguously, that the hearing was not a hearing at all - that evidence produced at the hearing had no bearing on the voting or the result.

Flav was given every opportunity to attend, produce evidence and state his case. The man didn't..... as plain as that.

None of which affects whether the hearing was a sham.

But, you may indulge yourself in posting sites that appear to agree with your opinion. but, the guy you refer to is also the man that promoted Max 'Spanky' Mosley to prevent Spanky being voted out. Hardly the good upright and virtuous character you put so much credence in.

Firstly, I never stated anything about the man's character, or offered any opinions on him. He was one of the people that voted. Therefore any evidence he has about pre-arranged punishments, is valid, unless they're proved false.

We have different sources of info and if you care to download the transcript and read the contents of the hearing instead of quoting others you may find your opinion does not hold any any validity.

Your different sources seemed to skip a very widely reported incident that threw the FIA into disrepute (even further than normal).

Oblomov

The Daily Telegraph:

According to leaked documents, Briatore will accuse the World Motor Sport Council, chaired by former FIA president Max Mosley, of being "blinded by a desire for personal revenge" when it punished him for his alleged role in the Renault race-fixing affair.

Briatore, who denied involvement in the incident in which Nelson Piquet Jnr crashed deliberately during the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix, will ask for a total annulment of the FIA's instruction to its members not to have any dealings with him. He will also demand a minimum of £900,000 in compensation for the damage to his reputation. Surprisingly, it has emerged that Briatore is likely to be joined by Pat Symonds, formerly Renault's executive director of engineering, at the hearing in Paris. Symonds was suspended for five years for his role in the controversy, which he confessed to.

Briatore will further plead that the WMSC's hearings into the scandal were conducted in an "improper" fashion with Mosley assuming "the roles of complainant, investigator, prosecutor and judge", and argue that Bernie Ecclestone, the chief executive of Formula One Management, should not have been able to vote at the WMSC hearing due to a conflict of interests.

But, Bernie voted against the ban

The FIA said it rejected "the allegations made in these leaks", adding that the verdict was delivered "by an overwhelming majority" of the attending WMSC members.

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Exit stage left, Mr Flavio Briatore. One of F1’s most flamboyant figures has been forced to quit Formula One in the aftermath of the infamous Singapore Wall Sling.

In essence, Renault has ‘fessed up, and Briatore (along with team director Pat Symonds) has been forced to pay the piper. The team still needs to front the FIA next week, and it will likely be flung from the 2009 championship, as well as losing all its points from the 2008 season.

Don’t forget, it recently fronted the same mob when Fernando Alonso’s wheel came off his car in Hungary this year.

Briatore made his fortune founding clothing entity United Colors of Benetton, and has been around F1 since 1988. He, of course, plucked Michael Schumacher out from under Eddie Jordan’s nose in 1991, going on to win the world championship in 1994 with the German amidst allegations of illegal traction control and dodgy fuel rigs.

With the help of Bernie, who sent Eddie Jordan off on a wild goose chase to Japan.. even.

The FIA even found a traction control device on the car, but couldn’t prove it was actually used during races…

Flavio's excuse.. just a bit of unused program, just left over....... ROFLMAO

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FIA Transcript.

At an extraordinary meeting of the World Motor Sport Council held in Paris on 21 September 2009, the ING Renault F1 team (“Renault F1”) admitted that the team had conspired with its driver Nelson Piquet Jr. to cause a deliberate crash at the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix, in breach of the International Sporting Code and F1 Sporting Regulations.


Renault F1 stated at the meeting that it had conducted a detailed internal investigation, which found that: (i) Flavio Briatore, Pat Symonds and Nelson Piquet Jr. had conspired to cause the crash; and (ii) no other team member was involved in the conspiracy.

The FIA has conducted its own detailed investigation and its findings correspond with those of Renault F1.

At the meeting of the World Motor Sport Council, Renault F1 made the following points in mitigation:

- it had accepted, at the earliest practicable opportunity, that it committed the offences with which it was charged and cooperated fully with the FIA’s investigation;
- it had confirmed that Mr. Briatore and Mr. Symonds were involved in the conspiracy and ensured that they left the team;
- it apologised unreservedly to the FIA and to the sport for the harm caused by its actions;
- it committed to paying the costs incurred by the FIA in its investigation; and
- Renault (the parent company, as opposed to Renault F1) committed to making a significant contribution to FIA safety-related projects.

Nelson Piquet Jr. also apologised unreservedly to the World Motor Sport Council for his part in the conspiracy.

Concludes with :

The full reasons for this decision, in addition to a complete recording of the proceedings before the World Motor Sport Council, will be made available shortly.