PW Board End of Decade Awards:DISCUSSION

flahavaj

This the the thread in which people can discuss their votes for all categories, either before or after they have cast their vote. I'd hope people would do some debating of choices or put forward the numerous candidates for the awards: the idea of doing this after all is first and foremost to get the forum talking. Also feel free to lobby on the behalf of your choices and have blazing rows on the matter.:D

NB ****DO NOT POST YOUR CHOICES IN HERE HOWEVER AND EXPECT THAT THEY WILL COUNT IN THE OFFICIAL BALLOTS. THE ONLY WAY YOUR VOTES WILL COUNT WILL BE IF YOU PUT THEM IN THE SEPARATE THREADS THAT WILL BE OPENED AT VARIOUS POINTS IN THE COMING WEEKS.****

D2D

I posted mine early, didn't I. I thought that thread would lock this Saturday night not next Saturday. What harm, I'm happy with my picks:):)

I wonder what everybody else will pick?

My reasons for my picks:

MVP 1) John Cena; 2) AJ Styles; 3) Randy Orton

Love him or hate him, Cena, in my mind, has been the most popular WWE superstar over the last decade. He is the reason why WWE are so profitable at the moment. TNA came to my attention over the X Division and the star of these matches was AJ Styles. Without AJ, TNA wouldn't be in the position it's in now. Orton is the reason why I'm still watching WWE at the moment. His character is perfect being sinister.

Tag Team:1) Hardy Boyz; 2) Dudley Boyz; 3) Edge & Christian

3 simple letters, TLC. These 3 teams defined the golden age of Tag Team wrestling. I've picked the Hardy's first as they've always been my favourite tag team. Those damn Dudleys go second as they've dominted every tag division they've been in and E+C go third. For the benifit of those with flash photography, E+C were possibily the funniest Tag Team but the team ended very quickly.

Best Feud:1) Matt Hardy vs Edge; 2) Chris Jericho vs Shawn Michaels; 3) Edge/Christian vs Hardy Boyz

Hardy/Egde is my feud of the decade due to it being so personal inside as well as outside the ring. The Cage match at Unforgiven 05 was brilliant and the "loser leaves town" ladder match was a fitting end to a very personal rivalery. Jericho vs Michaels's was an intense feud from their match at the GAB to the unsantioned match at Unforgiven and the ladder match at No Mercy, this feud had everything including Shawn's wife being punched by Jericho. Tag Team wrestling wouldn't be where it is without the Hardy's and E+C. They had the very 1st tag team ladder match which would lead on to numerous TLC matches

DM_7

Mine and why. These are the names that popped into my head straight away.

MVP: 1. HHH, 2. John Cena and 3. Kurt Angle

HHH. Spent the decade on top and like him or not he is the man in wwe.
Cena. For the last 5 years he is the reason WWE make money
Angle. Spent ten years killing himslef for our entertainment. I hope he retires soon but the guy loves to compete and showed that by trying to be a sucess in TNA after all he achieved in WWE.

Feud: 1. Edge v Cena, 2. Punk v Joe, and if allowed 3. edge & Christian v The Hardy Boyz v the dudley's

Edge v Cena. For the past few years these guys were put on front of us time and time gain and never let anyone down. They managed to help each other become supertars.

Joe and Punk. Well they did the hard stuff in ROH, helped put them on the map and then ended up as the Champions in WWE and TNA.

The tag teams. Well its not an obvious one but they gave us TLC matches and a really exciting tag team division. Tag teams meant something back then, they were allowed TV time and always entertained.

Tag Team: 1. The hardy boyz 2. Edge & Christian 3.The Dudley's
Same as above.

flahavaj

Maybe the ten days is too long? We'll use this ballot as a trial run and if its the case that the voting thread goes dead earlier than that we'll use a shorter timeframe next time. Its a work in progress and we'll get it right in the end.

Thanks for the ssuggestions, feel free anyone else to throw your two cents worth in.

Interesting to see AJ Styles high up in your MVP voting, D2D. Would the fact that he only worked indies and TNA count against him as surely the biggest star would have to have been exposed to a wider audience?

Tricity Bendix

The feud between Rock and HHH was what drew back into watching wrestling. The ultimate good guy versus a hated heel. Just about made it into this decade.

Machismo Fan

Here's mine:

MVP:
1) Kurt Angle
2) AJ Styles
3) John Cena

Tag Team:
1) America's Most Wanted
2) Beer Money
3) Edge & Christian

Best Feud:
1) AJ Styles vs. Christopher Daniels vs. Samoa Joe
2) Kurt Angle vs. Samoa Joe
3) Triple X vs. America's Most Wanted

As you can see, a clear TNA slant but I think it's mostly justified (in my mind anyway:)). I think AMW are one of the few teams to make tag team wrestling seem important since 2002.

flahavaj

Lots of love for the early part of the decade so far I see.

Especially votes for Rock as MVP when he was gone by 2002 and Edge and Christian who were effectively broken up by 2001's KOTR.

Mr.Nice Guy

I can't think of many stand out tag teams from the mid to late part of this decade with the exception of MNM. I think Edge and Christian, the Hardy Boyz and the Dudleyz took tag team wrestling to a new level so I'd imagine they will land a good few votes.

Must say I'm surprised at some of the choices for best feud though. Some of them would be way down my list or not even on it.

DM_7

How did i not think of Jericho v HBK. The reason to watch wwe not that long ago.

flahavaj

HBK being totally forgotten in the feud stakes, especially when you think of teh awesome Mania builds he been involved in, or the HHH feud that spanned a few years.

michael.etc...

I found the Edge/christian votes odd too, because they were only together about 18 months in the entire decade. The Hardys on the other hand, re-banded so many times, but retained their marketability and appeal right through.

Tough going whittling it down. Cena would have been in the MVP list for me if he'd been on top for slightly longer, but given that he's been benched in the last few years for injury, plus alienates a large part of the audience, I left him out.
HBK was my number 4 choice for that category incidentally.

Tricity Bendix

flahavaj wrote: »

Especially votes for Rock as MVP when he was gone by 2002 and Edge and Christian who were effectively broken up by 2001's KOTR.

E&C mightnt have been around for much of the naughties, but their impact was immense. Tag team wrestling in the worlds largest company has never been as good as when they were leading the pack. Ergo, best tag team of the decade.

DM_7

If E&C were only together one day between 00 and end of 09 they would be in the top three tag teams.

michael.etc...

Tricity Bendix wrote: »

E&C mightnt have been around for much of the naughties, but their impact was immense. Tag team wrestling in the worlds largest company has never been as good as when they were leading the pack. Ergo, best tag team of the decade.

This is a good point. Definitely enough reason to be at the very least,considering them in there.

Rjd2

I hope Bubs is here soon, the vote needs more Mizorrison love.

DM_7

Rjd2 wrote: »

I hope Bubs is here soon, the vote needs more Mizorrison love.

I was going to put them in.

But changed my mind when I remembered all they had to compete against was the colons.

flahavaj

My choices and reasons:

MVP:

1. John Cena
2. Shawn Michaels
3. Undertaker

had to go for Cena here. When I think of wrestling in teh 80's I think of Higan, in the 90's I think of Austin and in the 00's the first name that springs to mind is Cena. love him or hate him hes the WWE's biggest star and his greatest achievement is that he got reaction everywhere he went from everyone in the building.

Had to put HBK in here, simply for how amazing he's been in the ring all decade and for all the Mania's hes elevated above the mediovre just by stealing the show. Not only thaty but hes managed to stay over despite his sh*tty gimmick all this time. Thats what you call being important to your company, when you're the go to guy on an annual basis to raise the roof at the biggest show of the year.

Taker gets in purely for his longevity and for spanning the entire decade at the top of the card and actually getting better with age. Huge star from 2000 all the way to 2009.

Best Tag Team:

1. Briscoe Brothers
2. Hardyz
3. KENTA and Naomichi Marufuji

Briscoes for me have been putting on incredible matches since 2002. Innovative, hard hitting, spectacular flyers, they carved out their own niche of sprint wrestling this decade. Can brawl when they want and have develped brilliant redneck personas. Have been SENSATIONAL every time I've seen them live.

Hardyz get in for being trailblazers and the team that made it possible for the Briscoes to even exist. Spectacular performers who retained their popularity over the decade to the extent that feffwas WWE's most popular wreslter by 2009. Also were together for longer in the decade than E&C.

KENTA and Marufuji get in for just being flat out awesome. Youtube them and edit your votes NOW.

Best Feud

1. ROH Vs CZW
2. HBK Vs Jericho
3. Edge Vs Matt Hardy

The ROH/CZW feud is the greatest, most perfect piece of wrestling booking this decade and is the pinnacle of the entire ROH promotion. It managed to encompass several feuds and storylines, numerous dream matches while all the time telling a logical and simple storyline that spanned a large chunk of the year. Its culmination at Cage of Death was sublime.

HBK/Jericho was the greatest singles feud of the decade. Both guys performed their socks off, be it on the mic or in the ring. I loved how it evolved over time and the hatred built between the two men the more the feud went on. This feud elevated Jericho into one of the absolute elite performers of teh decade and confirmed HBK's status as one of the alltime greats.

Edge Vs Matt Hardy might seem like a strage choice, but it really caught mine and the entire internet's imagination ike few others. From the real life hatred between the men, to Matt Hardy's "invasion" of RAW and mention of ROH live on air, I was captivated by this more than most other worked feuds of the decade. The matches were awesome, as was Lita throughot.

The Bull

I think the Vince's WWF V Shane and Stef's The Alliance in 2001 was the one I enjoyed the most, Heres a memory refresher,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDND7kte__4

flahavaj

The Bull wrote: »

I think the Vince's WWF V Shane and Stef's The Alliance in 2001 was the one I enjoyed the most, Heres a memory refresher,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDND7kte__4

It could have been so much better though.:(

The Bull

flahavaj wrote: »

It could have been so much better though.:(

I agree, there were so many angles they could have taken this, but compared to the rest of the decade it rates pretty high, Always remember that night watchin raw when ecw was resurrected and turned on the wwf. Then Stef came out at the end:eek:, So many turn and shocks in one night,It was just brillant, Best Raw of the decade i would have to say,

Bubs101

Rjd2 wrote: »

I hope Bubs is here soon, the vote needs more Mizorrison love.

Unfortunately my favourite tag team is Edge and Christian by a mile. My hair is still inspired by them. Mizorrison an obvious second, Heidenreich Snitzky third.

Will think of others when less ****ed

Edit:

Best feud is Edgve vs, Angle, revserve the right to chsange

gimmick

MVP:
1. HBK
2. Chris Jericho
3. Brock Lesnar

This was an easy one. HBK, since his return in 2002, no one has been in more Match Of The Year Candidates than this fella. Consumate performer with 5 star matches falling off him. The fact he has not needed to hold a world title sice 3 weeks in 2002 speaks volumes of how well over he is as well. He has helped get people over also. One black mark is the awful DX reincarnation, but who is perfect?

Jericho is a very close second. He has remained injury free all his career and has been a fixture in WWE, discounting his 2 year hiatus in 2005-2007. He can open a card, he can main event it. he can talk, he has changed his character from Y2J, to a more serious Chris Jericho. He is the perfect heel to help the face get more over. His feuds have been blinding also, most notably HBK and Mysterio.

Lesnar might be a strange one, but he broke onto the scene in 2002 like no one before. The Rookie Monster was world champ within 6 months and for a change, this seemed logical. He went on to have one of the great feuds with Angle, but unfortunately this went a tad too corny for it to make my top 3. The fact he has transitioned to UFC to be champion, also in double quick time, shows the name value alone this guy brings.

Best Tag Team
1. The Briscoes
2. Hardy Boys
3. KentaFuji

Flav summed them up, so I am not going to go nuts here. But they can have great matches. The know how to work the mat, they know how to fly, the know how to brawl. What more do you want in a tag team. They have been tearing up the indies for 6-7 years now and long may they continue.

The Hardys are a great babyface team who transitioned well from Attitude to where we are today. Both great performers in their own right, they have a great chemistry which makes their matches ones to watch at all time.

Kentafuji. Watch their highlight reels. The pace they bring to the ring is like nothing you will have seen before.The stiffness and the innovation. Simply outstanding.

Best Feud
1. HBK Vs HHH
2. Bryan Danielson Vs Nigel McGuinness
3. Angle Vs Benoit

HBK Vs HHH started in summer 2002, and went through to Summer 2004. They had every type of match imaginable and every single one was incredible, with arguably the best one being their last man standing match at Royal Rumble 2004. It was the perfect chemistry of former best buddies where one is now an evil heel while the other is the pleasent nice guy.

Danielson Vs McGuinness gave us so many greta matches I lost count. They could deliver everytime. And they rarely followed the same formula, as 2 matches were never the same. I could watch these two fued forever.

Angle Vs Benoit arguably started feuding in 2000 and never actually finished. They fueded over the IC title, the "European" title, they fueded as tag partners, and the went at it over the World title. And in between they never had a match which could be called average, as they were generally brilliant. Their best match was certainly Royal Rumble 2003.

Cactus Col

MVP
1. Kurt Angle
2. John Cena
3. The Undertaker

Tag Team
1. The Hardyz
2. Miz and Morrison
3. Dudley Boys/ Team 3 D

Feud
1. Mick Foley v Triple H (2000)
2. Matt Hardy v MVP (2007-2008)
3. Kurt Angle v Brock Lesnar (2003)

MVP

Went with Kurt Angle over anyone else because I think he helped make Smackdown the best show in WWE, helped elevate Cena, and others, but also has improved TNA hugely, helping to establish it as a viable alternative to WWE.

John Cena, I think is a very good wrestler, and despite the backlash has been very entertaining, sells a tonne of merchandise, and goes all out in his matches. However, I think under his time at the top of the WWE it has lost ratings, and buyrates have been down. Maybe if it wasn't for him they'd be a lot worse, but it's enough for me to make him number 2.

The Undertaker because he has kept Smackdown interesting, participated in some great feuds with the likes of Edge and Batista, which have elevated those superstars, and has remained fresh despite being close to 20 years at the top of the game.

Tag Team
The Hardy Boyz, started the decade off fantasticaly feuding with teams like Edge and Chrstian and The Dudleys, and between them put on some of the most entertaining matches of the early years of the decade. Despite limited mic skills, these two guys ruled the last golden period of tag team wrestling.

Miz and Morrison.
It seemed these two reality show stars were just thrown together as neither had anything much to do at the time. The team gelled very well to form the most entertaining tag team of the latter half of the decade. Great on the mic, the dirt sheet (their web show) was a master class, with both wrestlers showing their in ring potential with very entertaining matches. Their biggest problem being a lack of quality opposition, with mostly slapped together teams(ie shannon moore and jimmy wang yang) as their opponents. Feuds with reunited Hardy's and DX showed that this team were capable of performing with the best and brightest.

The Dudleys / Team 3D
The dudley boys started the decade as part of WWE's hugely entertaining tag division along with the Hardys and Edge and Christian, this team has dominated tag divisions wherever they've gone. WWE, ECW, TNA, Japan, and in doing so, have won pretty much every major tag title in pro wrestling.

Honorable Mention: The APA. My favourite tag team of the decade, a classic big man brawler team.

Feud of the Year:
Foley v Triple H ... Foley was my favourite wrestler at the time, and I think this feud firmly established Triple H as THE TOP ACT in wrestling at the time.

Matt Hardy v MVP ... I think this feud became great by accident. At a time when most feuds barely lasted beyond one ppv this one lasted for about half a year. And, despite one or the other not healthy enough to actually wrestle for a good amount of time, proved to be the most entertaining feud in WWE, giving the US Title a bit of prestige too.

Angle v Lesnar ... because it was gawdang great!

JP Liz

MVP:

1) Chris Jericho
2) AJ Styles
3) Chris Benoit

Tag Team:

1) Hardy Boyz
2) Edge & Christian
3) DX

Best Feud:

1) Chris Jericho V HBK
2) Eddie Guerrero V JBL
3) Lita V Trish

MVP of the decade was a difficult choice (HHH, HBK, Taker, SCSA, Angle and The Rock all came to mind also) but it the end i went with Jericho even though he left WWE for a time he has come back and been on top form especially as a heel. AJ Styles really come into his own with in the 00s. I also picked Benoit because his RR win and WM win in 2004 in my one of my fav moments in WWE history and wrestling in the 00s.

Tag Team was easy to pick for me it had to be Hardyz first, E&C and i also picked DX (feuds with Legacy, Rated RKO and McMahons made up my mind)

Best Feud was another difficult choice but since Jericho is my MVP of the decade i had to pick his feud with HBK for me it is one of the best. I loved Eddie's feud with JBL was great also it really helped put JBL on the map as a main heel and main title contender. I finally choose Lita and Trish because for nearly 6 or 7 years they keep their feud and rivalry alive and fresh.

Oh well thats my picks

Bubs101

Only on other vote for Booker T and Goldust

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7fcpPR4bFA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTaDyiFy_50

They even saved the Katie Vick angle

Bounty Hunter

does Vince vs SCSA qualify? it didnt start in the past decade but did take place during it

michael.etc...

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

does Vince vs SCSA qualify? it didnt start in the past decade but did take place during it

I guess technically, it would have to count, but surely none of the wortwhile parts of their feud occurred this decade. They were more or less wrapped up by the time Austin was sidelined in late 99, and if anything Austin briefly feuded with the McMahon-Helmsley regime, but realistically as an extra. I guess if you counted the Alliance era stuff- but It was more part of a larger angle than a personal grudge.

I would actually consider the Alliance/WWE feud as one of the worst of the decade.
Might post up my reasons for voting later if I get a chance. I'm suprised the Undertaker is not getting more love, given his enormous contributions in the second half of the noughties.

Bounty Hunter

good points and Taker just got my vote but then again im a self confessed taker mark always have been always will be methinks.

imo Vince vs SCSA was the single biggest feud of my lifetime but i think as you say it was essentially already played out by the time we are talking about

id kinda prefer if i coulda voted for something outside of WWF/E but its what i know best and watched most so those had the biggest impact on me.

currythis

My reasons for my choices:

MVP:
1. John Cena:One of the only big moneymakers/draws since Austin and Rock retired.

2.Triple H:Despite all the stick he gets,he has been one of the most consistent in ring performers and has even done his part in creating new stars ie Orton and Batista also he created Evolution who were awesome!

3.Edge:had an amazing decade from being part of E&C,Coming back from a broken neck,stealing Matt Hardy's bird to winning world titles,brings out the best in whoever he is put in the ring with,amazing on the microphone and was one of the first heels to actually be booed in a feud with John Cena

Best Feud:Rock vs Austin(2001):Just an awesome feud from two guys who were at the very top of their game in the ring and on the mic,buildup was immense,Austin winning the rumble,stealing each others finishers on the raws leading up to wm17,even the video package for their feud was awesome and then the match at mania where Austin turned heel,just brilliant,was what got me hooked on wrestling

Jericho vs The Rock ?(2001)
The feud that turned Jericho from mid-carder to main eventer imo,build up was great,Jericho 'accidentilly'costing rocky matches,The Rock claiming Jericho couldn't win the 'big one' and that he wasn't 'that good'.Great match at No Mercy 01 and jericho finally won the big one!

Foley vs Orton (2004)
Was a really slowly burning feud,Orton spitting in Foleys face,kicking him down flights of stairs,Foley actually walking away from Orton,Ortons viral ad campaigns on raw showing 'proof' of Foleys cowardice then Foley coming back as Cactus Jack and having a war of a match at backlash,was the feud that elevated Orton into a major player and was Foleys last great match imo.

Best Tag Teams:1.Edge & Christian:Just a great all round team,brilliant promos and skits,great as a tag team and put on some awesome matches.

2.Goldust & Booker T:Surprisingly entertaining team,promos were usually hillarious and they had great in ring chemistry,they were chasing the tag titles on Raw for so long that when they actually won them,it meant something

3.Dudley Boyz:Completely different to the hardys and e&c but they were just a fun tag team to watch,from tables matches,to d-vons wassup spot,always cool to watch(especially when Stacy Keibler was their valet!)

michael.etc...

MVP:
1. The Undertaker
2. Kenta Kobashi
3. Triple H

I found MVP of the decade really difficult to choose, because really, the biggest names are largely leftovers from decades before. Names like Austin and The Rock have sprouted up, but given that their contributions were restricted to 2000-2003 (with absences inbetween), I thought it inappropriate. Brock Lesnar was a huge player, but only for a couple of years, then left entirely. Kurt Angle rose to prominence hugely and very rapidly, but in the WWE was never positioned as the drawing card, and in whilst in TNA he's played a major role, he's hardly drawn significantly, nor do i think a TNA star is amongst the Decade's biggest.

John Cena and Shawn Michaels came close to making my list. However, Cena has only been a Main Eventer since 2005, and has been both absent for long periods, and been involved in excuciatingly poor programmes at times, whilst alienating a large portion of the audience. If he continues as he is now, in 5 years he'd easily be number one though for me. Michaels has also missed alot of time over the last decade and has spent far too much time in DX during recent spells.

But Undertaker, and Triple H have both been off and on, two of the most important characters in the WWE.
HHH had an incredible run from 2000-2001, drew a huge buyrate at the 2002 Rumble,Formed and led Evolution- arguably the decade's most memorable stable,put over Chris Benoit in one of the most memorable Mania Main Events ever in 2004,was part of the massive feud with Batista in 2005, and has remained a largely dependable Main Eventer. For me, he's been just too important, and too central, and is too accepted as such by the majority of fans as their biggest star, to not include him. But due to his clear inability to step aside when the timing is not right for him to headline, and his overexposure, as well as alienating a vocal minority, I had him in 3.
Taker I placed higher, because I believe that when booked well, he's more of a bona-fide star, and one of the very few (only?) who truly can make a difference to a buy-rate on his name alone. He's also over as a Wrestlemania Main Event level Babyface (which HHH isn't).
He also reinvented himself in 2000 to update his character, and was able to survive that becoming stale, and again reinvent himself as a more modern Deadman. Since then he's been involved in some of the most exciting and appealing WWE matches in years, often against lesser opponents (or repetitve ones) and his mania aura is a massive attraction in itself.
Kobashi I included, because despite illness and injury, his presence in NOAH has always boosted houses, and his star-power is unquestionably enormous. He's also been part of some gob-smacking matches right up until around 2006, some of which have been among the decade's best.
For me, he's one of the most obvious examples of a star on whom a company almost completely depend.

flahavaj

Great points about Kobashi there michael, I kinda regret not including him now. I just thought his deterioration over the second half of the decade counted against him. Then again I included Cena who was only truly a star for half a decade too.

michael.etc...

flahavaj wrote: »

Great points about Kobashi there michael, I kinda regret not including him now. I just thought his deterioration over the second half of the decade counted against him. Then again I included Cena who was only truly a star for half a decade too.

I guess I looked it as being a choice between whether Cena was a bigger star from 2005-now, than Kobashi was from 2000-2006, and the answer had to be no, for me.
Forgot to mention that i also think it's important to note that despite his obvious deterioration, Kobashi is still recognized and accepted as NOAH's biggest star, and is hugely over. Plus he still can play a vital role in dream matches, and while he may have lost some of his physical ability, he still has his appeal.
I actually nearly included Misawa as well, because he was the crutch on which NOAH relied so often, and was successful in that spot while the company was still on the rise.

Have to admit I found the Feud category almost impossible to narrow down. Completely forgot about Foley/Orton.

flahavaj

Yup so so many great feuds.

Lots of great indy rivalries like Styles/Daniels, Joe/Punk, Hero/Punk, Draogon/Nigel, Low Ki/Dragon, Homicide /Corino.

Then in WWE there were so many I cen't even remember them all. Stuff like HBK/Angle, HBK/Cena, HBK/Taker, HBK/HHH, Angle/Benoit, Edge /Cena, Punk/Hardy, Foley/HHH, Foley/Orton/, Foley/Flair, Taker/Batista, the Dudleys/Hardys/E&C, early stuff from the decade like teh second hald of Rock/Austin, Rock/HHH, you could go on all day.

From Japan, the KENTA/Marufuji rivalry has produced so many MOTY candidates.

Bubs101

Was the Conquistadors bit of the Edge and Christian Hardy Boyz feud in this decade? That was absolutely awesome especially the pay off in the end when Matt pulled Edge's mask off and Edge was wearing another mask

michael.etc...

Bubs101 wrote: »

Was the Conquistadors bit of the Edge and Christian Hardy Boyz feud in this decade? That was absolutely awesome especially the pay off in the end when Matt pulled Edge's mask off and Edge was wearing another mask

Yes it was- it took place from around Oct-Nov 2000. They had a match on PPV at No Mercy that year which was particularly good.

Gambra

I spotted someone voting for Benoit in the MVP section which is just shocking. He might deserve to be in the running for Best Wrestler but MVP? If anything, he drove away a lot of business after the "incident".

And anyone not putting the Dudleyz in the Tag section, what are ye doing!

Gambra

MVP:
1. The Rock
2. Kurt Angle
3. Jeff Hardy

He still was on top of his game until he left for good in 04, from the turn of the decade until The Invasion angle (which was dire) he was without a doubt the #1 man.
Angle is there for the reason that he was huge in WWE and then got even better as a wrestler when he went to TNA. TNA might be pretty lowly inmost people's books but it wouldn't be anywhere near it is today without Angle.
And Hardy, say what you want about him and his drug habits but there is simply no one else bar Cena (who I left off the listas I think he'll get enough votes as it is) that sells as much merch for the company. Even AFTER getting busted he's still a huge seller!

Tag Team:
1. The Dudleys/Team 3D
2. Edge & Christian
3. Miz & Morrison

Anyone who doesn't even put The Dudleys in their list has to be joking. Consistantly the best now matter where they were be it WWE, TNA or even NJPW.
E&C for being two of the best athletes & entertainers WWE have. Simple.
The last spot was a toss up between Miz & Morris and the Hardyz but for sheer dominance of the tag titles for so long and the current fued these two are having over it grabs them the spot for me.

Best Feud:
1. CM Punk Vs. Samoa Joe
2. Shawn Micheals Vs. Chris Jericho
3. The Rock Vs. Austin

Just watch Punk Vs Joe II and tell me it didn't deserve the 5* rating it got!
Sheer excellent technical wrestling. No over reliance on heat, just amazing wrestling.
This is #3 as the bulk of the feud occured before 00 but Wrestlemania 17 is still the greatest PPV ever because of this match and in particular the build up to it on Raw for the few weeks in advance.

Vince135792003

Even with having 3 picks, it's very hard to choose.

What makes it more difficult is that at the start of the decade WWE was very much in it's boom period so it's hard to know whether to go for people who had a greater but shorter impact like say the Rock or Edge and Christian or to go with someone consistent like say the Dudleyz.

It's hard to balance.

Just on the Dudleyz, I've always like them but never loved them (apart from their 20 minute match in Dublin this year!). In a straight match, they are a channel turner for me whereas the other teams on my list were not.

michael.etc...

Gambra wrote: »

I spotted someone voting for Benoit in the MVP section which is just shocking. He might deserve to be in the running for Best Wrestler but MVP? If anything, he drove away a lot of business after the "incident".

I agree with this completely. And even if Benoit did not become a murderer etc... there is no way he should be anywhere near "biggest star of the decade" (essentially, what the MVP award is). Like you say, perhaps, best wrestler. I don't know, maybe some people aren't clear on the definition of the different categories?

Bubs101

michael.etc... wrote: »

I agree with this completely. And even if Benoit did not become a murderer etc... there is no way he should be anywhere near "biggest star of the decade" (essentially, what the MVP award is). Like you say, perhaps, best wrestler. I don't know, maybe some people aren't clear on the definition of the different categories?

But because of the murders he was the biggest star in wrestling, albeit for his infamy

Cactus Col

Bubs101 wrote: »

But because of the murders he was the biggest star in wrestling, albeit for his infamy

biggest star maybe ... but not the most valuable wrestler!

flahavaj

michael.etc... wrote: »

I agree with this completely. And even if Benoit did not become a murderer etc... there is no way he should be anywhere near "biggest star of the decade" (essentially, what the MVP award is). Like you say, perhaps, best wrestler. I don't know, maybe some people aren't clear on the definition of the different categories?

Ya I get the impression some people are voting for the best wrestler rather than MVP as I defined. I tried to be as explicit as I could in the opening post and unfortunatley thats the best that can be done. At the end of the day you have to hope people take that into account when they vote. For the most part people seem to have used the right criteria I think.

As for The Dudleyz, while they undoubtedly had the most kayfabe success of any team of the decade and were a consistent team for the entire decade apart from their brief split when they separated RAW and Smackdown, they had gotten stale as hell by then to me and frankly bore me to death at this stage. Annoys me so much to see them booked so strong still in New Japan.

Nice to see some los Guerreros love in the last few votes, they kinda slipped under my radar to be honest.

30 votes cast so far, delighted with the response so far, well done everyone.

Machismo Fan

While I'm a fan of 3D, I have to say I don't think they're near the best team of the decade. They always seem to need superior opponents (like E+C, Hardyz, AMW, Beer Money, LAX, The Guns etc.) to have a truly great match. Plus, they normally need the crutch of a gimmick.

flahavaj

I'm half sorry we didn't include MMA in this as I'd have easily voted Rampage Vs Titties number one if we had.:pac:

flahavaj

Bubs101 wrote: »

But because of the murders he was the biggest star in wrestling, albeit for his infamy

He'll have his turn in Biggest Wrestling Story I'd imagine.

DM_7

Aaah!


Sorry but some of the nominations are doing my head in. Not becasue they are bad just because I didn't think of them myself!

flahavaj

Would it be a good idea in that case to post what the next 3 polls will be in this thread a few days before the votes thread for the next ballot is posted, just so it gives people a bit of time to remember the major candidates and give the memory a bit of a jog before they vote?

Probably would be a good idea, Flash.


I voted, but i didn't bother to read other people's votes first, cos I feel it'd only sway my own votes.

Looking back, seems I'm not too far off, though I do have a question (sorry if it has been asked, haven't gotten to read all of this thread):

I'd like to give my votes a quick edit if i may need to, but can I throw Evolution into the best tag team category? I had them down, but took them out, as I wasn't too sure if "tag team" was restricted to no more than two men.

Can you let me know, please?


EDIT:

Also surprised to see that James/Trish isn't in the best feud at all. Mickie was very good in that angle i thought. Probably the best women's angle in a long time. Maybe there should be an extra place added to every poll, where we must choose a diva-orientated answer?

ie; MVP: Name the four most important people to the company, one answer must be a diva... or is that a terrible idea?

flahavaj

Deleted User wrote: »

Probably would be a good idea, Flash.


I voted, but i didn't bother to read other people's votes first, cos I feel it'd only sway my own votes.

Looking back, seems I'm not too far off, though I do have a question (sorry if it has been asked, haven't gotten to read all of this thread):

I'd like to give my votes a quick edit if i may need to, but can I throw Evolution into the best tag team category? I had them down, but took them out, as I wasn't too sure if "tag team" was restricted to no more than two men.

Can you let me know, please?

I would class Evolution as a faction rather than a tag team? Unless you're specifically referring to the Flair/Batista team that were tag champs.

In this case it wouldn't matter too much I suppose, as its unlikely to affect the final top three or anything but I would insist on being quite strict on stuff like that if it was going to affect the results in some way.

Edit: Just saw your other question. The only problem about moving the goalposts at this stage is that 31 people have already voted and its unlikely we'd get every single one of then tp edit their choices now, if that was even possible. I'd be of the opinion that if a women's feud was good enough it'd be good enough to stand alone against a men's feud etc Theres also a best female award to come later.

At the end of the day the women'd division is a fairly small part of the overall wrestling industry. There'd also be a case to be made for a separate section for cruisers or X Division or overseas wrestlers or indies if womens sections were allowed in each category. Where does it end?

flahavaj

flahavaj wrote: »

I would class Evolution as a faction rather than a tag team? Unless you're specifically referring to the Flair/Batista team that were tag champs.

In this case it wouldn't matter too much I suppose, as its unlikely to affect the final top three or anything but I would insist on being quite strict on stuff like that if it was going to affect the results in some way.

No, i meant the team as a whole unit. I'm happy to leave them out if they can't be included, just thought it may widen the horizons a little bit, as, judging by the votes so far, it would seem there were only three tag teams in the companies history, all of whom participated in TLC.

flahavaj

Deleted User wrote: »

No, i meant the team as a whole unit. I'm happy to leave them out if they can't be included, just thought it may widen the horizons a little bit, as, judging by the votes so far, it would seem there were only three tag teams in the companies history, all of whom participated in TLC.

The spirit in which I intended it was traditional tag teams ie eligible to hold the tag belts in a company. Granted it was poor enough eecade for tag wrestling, but if the voting reflects that, then so be it.

I'm shocked Brothers of Destruction didn't get a vote from yourself actually!:)

Maybe at the end I could do a series of mini awards where people just have to cast one vote rather than three. I could shove factions in there, as realistically there weren't a massive amount of great factions this decade.