Lamest excuses for not taking a cut from PS

baaaa

1.We took one already
2.We do special jobs
3.We didn't cause this
4.Take it off someone else
5.Why are you picking on us

petes

Whats PS? I presume its some sort of pay cut?

genericguy

"you're just jealous". and, to be honest, i think you are.

baaaa

goddamn public sector

gerTheGreat

Burn them all to hell!

What?! Too soon?

Danbo!

I prefer to copy and hide the original layer, rather than cut. Its good to have the original just in case.

The_Wobbler

Insurgent wrote: »

Whats PS? I presume its some sort of pay cut?

U don't reckon its public sector, no?

prinz

baaaa wrote: »

1.We took one already
2.We do special jobs
3.We didn't cause this
4.Take it off someone else
5.Why are you picking on us

All perfectly valid complaints for the vast majority of Public Sector workers.

Coriolanus

Could be Private Sector.

petes

The_Wobbler wrote: »

U don't reckon its public sector, no?

I obviously do now but its not that apparent from the opening post. Maybe I'm just stupid.

hblock21

Do people not realize Public Sector and Private Sector start with the same letters ?!?!?!!?!? PS!

God damn you people. It only takes an extra 4 seconds to expand the words out fully....

super_furry

They cut our Playstation?

Trekker09

Pikey Scumbags???

conorhal

prinz wrote: »

All perfectly valid complaints for the vast majority of Public Sector workers.

Grand so, let’s look at those one by one then:

1.We took one already
No they didn't, they had aprox 7% of their wages appropriated to fund their overly generous pensions (that anybody in the public sector would gladly fork over twice that amount of their salary to receive) and so they will get that money (and probably a raise too) once they retire.

2.We do special jobs

What's so special about them? There are no shortage of people in the private sector that do dirty, dangerous or antisocial jobs, and the vast majority of CS workers sit on their asses doing feck all from 9-5, they're not all frontline workers you know. Why don't the unions wheel out the fat admin staff on 60 grand in the CS or HSE that don't even know what their job is post reorganization, the ones that spend their days writing letters to the Irish times and filling out the Sudoku in its back pages?

3.We didn't cause this

Really, you had no hand act or part in benchmarking, driving productivity into the basement, frustrating reform or as members of the civil service running the country? The bill wouldn't be as high as it is if any of that wasn't the case.

4.Take it off someone else

Why? I got a bonus this year, the first in two years. Do you know why? My employer made a profit. If my employer was borrowing to fill a massive hole in day to day spending and on the verge of insolvency I can guarantee you that pay cuts and redundancies would be on the cards as has been the case for many private sector workers. Just because your employer has run that little venture called the Civil Service into the ground, why should I guarantee your salary and position? It's not as if you guarantee mine. Your employer is bankrupt. Tough.

5.Why are you picking on us

You disserve it! Restructuring has been a long time comming to the civil service.

GLaDOS

I could swear there was an existing thread for the public sector witch hunt.

prinz

conorhal wrote: »

No they didn't, they had aprox 7% of their wages appropriated to fund their overly generous pensions...

Overly generous? Perhaps some people are on an overly generous pensions.. however not everyone in the Civil Service is.

conorhal wrote: »

What's so special about them? There are no shortage of people in the private sector that do dirty, dangerous or antisocial jobs, and the vast majority of CS workers sit on their asses doing feck all from 9-5, they're not all frontline workers you know. Why don't the unions wheel out the fat admin staff on 60 grand in the CS or HSE that don't even know what their job is post reorganization, the ones that spend their days writing letters to the Irish times and filling out the Sudoku in its back pages?

Do you know how many people spend their whole working lives in the CS and never get anywhere near 60K? If the job's so handy you should've done it.

conorhal wrote: »

3.We didn't cause this

Really, you had no hand act or part in benchmarking, driving productivity into the basement, frustrating reform or as members of the civil service running the country? The bill wouldn't be as high as it is if any of that wasn't the case.

I have some friends working in the Civil Service - non-'frontline'. The stories they'd tell you of the waste of money, resources and man hours would make you want to vomit. They're not on huge salaries, average industrial wage more or less. On the other hand only one person of my social circle has gotten a rise lately - guess where he works? Corporate lending in a major Irish bank. What does that tell you?

conorhal wrote: »

Why? I got a bonus this year, the first in two years. Do you know why? My employer made a profit. If my employer was borrowing to fill a massive hole in day to day spending and on the verge of insolvency I can guarantee you that pay cuts and redundancies would be on the cards as has been the case for many private sector workers. Just because your employer has run that little venture called the Civil Service into the ground, why should I guarantee your salary and position? It's not as if you guarantee mine. Your employer is bankrupt. Tough.

Yeah let's sack all the Public Service! Hooray.

conorhal wrote: »

You disserve it! Restructuring has been a long time comming to the civil service.

Sure has, but take it up with the powers that be and the upper echelons. Describing every PS worker as some sort of idle overpaid fat cat is nothing but cynical populism, and well wide of the mark. I'm all for reform and a reduction is wages, but this sort of repetitive, hyperbolic whinging is doing nobody any good.

Hammer Archer

ScienceNerd wrote: »

I could swear there was an existing thread for the public sector witch hunt.

Started by the exact same poster no less.

gerry28

baaaa wrote: »

1.We took one already
2.We do special jobs
3.We didn't cause this
4.Take it off someone else
5.Why are you picking on us

Baaaa what would you suggest they cut the PS by?

InReality

Sounds familar allright.

I'm not surprised at that people like to critise the public sector on boards and esp AH , as
a) the media demonize it &
b) the are a lot of genuine cases of bad working practises and overpaid people working there , esp in HSE , & ESB for example which I have experience of.
c) irish people don't have any good political "outlets" or the motivation to get involved in politics - which is were all this comes from.

However

Everybody tries to get the best deal for themselves.
This is a simple fact. So the PS looked for pay increases etc during the boom years. They got them because they had unions and because of the Govt.

Who should be blamed public finances being so in debt ?
The Govt.

Who is blamed for this ?
PS workers.

PS workers simply tried to get the best deal they could.
Its what anyone in their situation would have done !

Rob67

baaaa wrote: »

1.We took one already
2.We do special jobs
3.We didn't cause this
4.Take it off someone else
5.Why are you picking on us

I could have sworn I heard this song already, maybe it's cover version? Is there anyone out there with an original tune?

ascanbe

Classic Straw man argument.

douglashyde

Guys, the worst part of this whole MESS is that the only noise being made about Public Sector cuts is on the streets and vast majority of news supporting the Unions. This is not the view of the majority and this fact is the major problem.

It makes me physically sick to think that a harder working Private Sector employee earns LESS money than his sick day taking, money grabbing Public Sector counterpart.

Huge cuts need to be made to bring Public Sector pay to the same level as Private Sector! Why do the vast majority of Public Sector think that they deserve better treatment than the rest. It’s disgusting.

Public Servants, you are not better educated, qualified or working, in fact the only thing better you are is PAID.

douglashyde

Last night an RTE reporter declared that James Larkin's statue was looking on approvingly as the demonstrators marched past.

Irish Paper columnists can say what THEY like.

Reporters can't!

ascanbe

douglashyde wrote: »

Guys, the worst part of this whole MESS is that the only noise being made about Public Sector cuts is on the streets and vast majority of news supporting the Unions. This is not the view of the majority and this fact is the major problem.

It makes me physically sick to think that a harder working Private Sector employee earns LESS money than his sick day taking, money grabbing Public Sector counterpart.

Huge cuts need to be made to bring Public Sector pay to the same level as Private Sector! Why do the vast majority of Public Sector think that they deserve better treatment than the rest. It’s disgusting.

Public Servants, you are not better educated, qualified or working, in fact the only thing better you are is PAID.

I don't know why they deserve better treatment.
Hang on, I'll ring my aunt.She's taking a sick day, as usual, and although she had a busy day grabbing at money planned she may take the time to answer.
No, sorry. She's out grabbing money. Her maid picked up the phone but wouldn't broach the topic, fearful of the consequences if her heartless 'public service' (spit) boss found out.

conorhal

prinz

"Overly generous? Perhaps some people are on an overly generous pensions.. however not everyone in the Civil Service is."

I beg to differ, anybody retiring on a defined benefit scheme that can be worth more (thanks to index linking) than the salary you got when you were working is on a very generous pension


"Do you know how many people spend their whole working lives in the CS and never get anywhere near 60K? If the job's so handy you should've done it."

Well, lets look at the facts,
A third of PAYE workers who earned more than €100,000 (46,794 in total) last year are from the Public service. Thats 15,278 public sector workers
More than a third of the PAYE workers who earned between €70,000 and €100,000 (94,773 in total) are from the public service, thats well over 30,000 public sector workers
And of the 171,096 paye workers earning between €50k and €70k the ration edges close to 40%, that well over 60,000 public sectors workers.So well over 100,000 public sectors workers are doing pretty well........ These are the guys/gals we need to look at when reducing the public sector pay bill. I'm happy to leave anybody earning under 30 grand in the CS alone, though that would mean excluding less than a third of them, hardly an insubstantial number.


"I have some friends working in the Civil Service - non-'frontline'. The stories they'd tell you of the waste of money, resources and man hours would make you want to vomit. They're not on huge salaries, average industrial wage more or less. On the other hand only one person of my social circle has gotten a rise lately - guess where he works? Corporate lending in a major Irish bank. What does that tell you?"

It tells me (as I said before) that sombody's employer is making a profit or that (and there's no denying it isn't true) the banking sector is as corrupt in it's practice as the civil service, either way two wrongs don't make a right.



"Yeah let's sack all the Public Service! Hooray."

Not all of them, just about 20%.......



"..but take it up with the powers that be and the upper echelons. Describing every PS worker as some sort of idle overpaid fat cat is nothing but cynical populism, and well wide of the mark. I'm all for reform and a reduction is wages, but this sort of repetitive, hyperbolic whinging is doing nobody any good."

I'm not suggesting that every civil servant is an over paid fat cat (but even the lowest grades make on average 25% more in the public then the private sector), but I can talk generally about the crucial need for reform and discuss the civil service in terms of a disfunctional onrgaization as a whole.
The dismissal if such talk as hyperbolic whinging is to dismiss a crucial need for reform. There has been, in my opinion, to little hyperbolic whinging over the past decade which has allowed the unquestioning and exponential growth of the civil service unchecked. I think it's a healthier place to be when those that demand huge pay packets have to justify their case to a hyperbolic whinger like me.

max 73

Insurgent wrote: »

Whats PS? I presume its some sort of pay cut?

Public disService more like.....

Degsy

baaaa wrote: »

1.We took one already
2.We do special jobs
3.We didn't cause this
4.Take it off someone else
5.Why are you picking on us

Coz the dole is payment for doing nothing..cut that instead.

BrianD3

conorhal wrote: »

prinz

"Overly generous? Perhaps some people are on an overly generous pensions.. however not everyone in the Civil Service is."

I beg to differ, anybody retiring on a defined benefit scheme that can be worth more (thanks to index linking) than the salary you got when you were working is on a very generous pension

Every private sector employee has a defined benefit pension scheme which is index linked. It's called the contributory old age pension. There are plenty of current pensioners who worked in the private sector who are earning more from their pension than they did when they were working. And for most people, the total amount of PRSI paid does not even come close to covering the cost of the pension.

douglashyde

Ascanbe,

If you where to read over my comment again, you will find that the RTE reporter said that "James Larkin's statue was looking on with approval" not the other way around.

Xcellor

I'm sick of public service unions saying everyone should share the burden. Why should private sector subsidize an expensive, underworked, inefficient system?

prinz

conorhal wrote: »

prinz

"Overly generous? Perhaps some people are on an overly generous pensions.. however not everyone in the Civil Service is."

I beg to differ, anybody retiring on a defined benefit scheme that can be worth more (thanks to index linking) than the salary you got when you were working is on a very generous pension.

I have seen the pension of a retired Civil Servant ( retired 12 years ago ) and it is anything but generous.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Degsy wrote: »

Coz the dole is payment for doing nothing..cut that instead.

Usual tripe.... :rolleyes:

I hope you lose you job soon, and get a taste of what it is like on social, you obviously don't have a clue

source

Xcellor wrote: »

I'm sick of public service unions saying everyone should share the burden. Why should private sector subsidize an expensive, underworked, inefficient system?

Well i'm sick of the private sector saying that the public sector should shoulder the burden, Why should the public sector bail out the banks and builders and fix the economy they didn't break?

Keano

Tori Elegant Teen wrote: »

Usual tripe.... :rolleyes:

I hope you lose you job soon, and get a taste of what it is like on social, you obviously don't have a clue

+1 million

There are plenty who just ride the system and never worked even in the boom times. For a lot of the country who worked hard and now have people calling them lazy :rolleyes:

Keano

foinse wrote: »

Well i'm sick of the private sector saying that the public sector should shoulder the burden, Why should the public sector bail out the banks and builders and fix the economy they didn't break?

Because the private sector can really give no more. Do you want my blood next?

/awaits abuse

ascanbe

douglashyde wrote: »

Ascanbe,

If you where to read over my comment again, you will find that the RTE reporter said that "James Larkin's statue was looking on with approval" not the other way around.

Oh, so it does.
Will remove my pointless response.
Anyway, you're entitled to your views on public service pay, etc; just tired of the vilification of all public sector workers on here.

Ms Happy

conorhal wrote: »

You disserve it! Restructuring has been a long time comming to the civil service.

Are you for real?? there are PLENTY of people in the PS in non-permanent jobs who are on crap wages, some i know are barely clearing €400pw

I know many have lost jobs and would love to be earning 400pw but the whole PS CANNOT be held accountable for the current situation. I could continue on here but I know i would be wasting my time. :mad:

Ms Happy

Tori Elegant Teen wrote: »

Usual tripe.... :rolleyes:

I hope you lose you job soon, and get a taste of what it is like on social, you obviously don't have a clue

That is sick

That_Guy

Insurgent wrote: »

Whats PS? I presume its some sort of pay cut?

PS is clearly Photoshop

Rob_l

Tori Elegant Teen wrote: »

Usual tripe.... :rolleyes:

I hope you lose you job soon, and get a taste of what it is like on social, you obviously don't have a clue

I hope I lose mine i could do with some paid time off from work until i get another job.

Finally I could catch up on all that TV I have sky+'d

givyjoe81

ascanbe wrote: »

I don't know why they deserve better treatment.
Hang on, I'll ring my aunt.She's taking a sick day, as usual, and although she had a busy day grabbing at money planned she may take the time to answer.
No, sorry. She's out grabbing money. Her maid picked up the phone but wouldn't broach the topic, fearful of the consequences if her heartless 'public service' (spit) boss found out.

Jesus, your 'aunt' sounds like a right cnut!!

stevoman

baaaa wrote: »

1.We took one already
2.We do special jobs
3.We didn't cause this
4.Take it off someone else
5.Why are you picking on us

ah an ould public service hater. :eek:

god i love working for the civil service.

i say let all the haters hate. im on a gravy train anyways so what do i care.

hopalong85

Degsy wrote: »

Coz the dole is payment for doing nothing..cut that instead.

They both need to be cut tbh. No two ways about it.

hopalong85

Tori Elegant Teen wrote: »

Usual tripe.... :rolleyes:

I hope you lose you job soon, and get a taste of what it is like on social, you obviously don't have a clue

It isn't tripe. Welfare is too high, Ireland can't afford to sustain the current cost of it. Cuts need to be made in the public sector too.

granturismo

stevoman wrote: »

i say let all the haters hate. im on a gravy train anyways so what do i care.

Yes comrade, lets meet up in Shanahans on the Green before our next day of action, I need to spend some of that huge public sector salary burning a hole in my pocket.

BTW, I didnt march on the 6th because I had work to do.

TheZohanS

stevoman wrote: »

ah an ould public service hater. :eek:

god i love working for the civil service.

i say let all the haters hate. im on a gravy train anyways so what do i care.

Stop trolling.

stevoman

granturismo wrote: »

Yes comrade, lets meet up in Shanahans on the Green before our next day of action, I need to spend some of that huge public sector salary burning a hole in my pocket.

perfect. i have plenty of cash to burn!

when we are finished i'l take you up to my desk and show you the business im running on the internet during worktime aswell. :pac:

dr.bollocko

Folks we have existing threads on this topic. This is not the public service bashing forum as so many seem to think it is. This thread is done.