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Lest We Forget (Middle East)

  • 11-11-2009 12:52am
    #1
    conchubhar1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭


    That they killed people too - that they signed up to be soldiers.

    The people they killed had families too. Those families are and were grieving too.

    They were not innocent brave valiant soldiers who did no harm and while no one deserved to die - everyone deserves consideration and remembrance.

    Lest We forget who was where (their country) and who was the aggressor (for the most part).

    (Here is where I meant to clarify that it is not ww1 etc I am talking about - my bad)


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  • #2
    It wasn't me!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    That's why it's Remembrance Day, not Big Mickey Swinging Triumphalism Day.


  • #3
    pmg58
    Closed Accounts Posts: 471 ✭✭pmg58


    I could maybe understand your point of view if you were a pacifist, not that I would agree with it. But its a bit rich coming from a barstool republican.

    It disgusts me when brit bashers use any excuse to mouth off, just let them rest in peace.


  • #4
    Mahatma coat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭Mahatma coat


    It wasn't me! wrote: »
    That's why it's Remembrance Day, not Big Mickey Swinging Triumphalism Day.

    +++++ infinity+1


    Jaysus OP, way to miss a point.


  • #5
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,647 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    conchubhar1 wrote: »
    ---
    christ - I bet this gets deleted (Just saw the mod list).
    It wasn't me! wrote: »
    That's why it's Remembrance Day, not Big Mickey Swinging Triumphalism Day.

    I can't speak for the other mods, but I'm not deleting it. I don't think the aggressor is really an issue though: There's a reason that the British invited the Luftwaffe to the Battle of Britain commemorations next year. They fought and died for their country too..

    NTM


  • #6
    neilled
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,234 ✭✭✭neilled


    conchubhar1 wrote: »
    That they killed people too - that they signed up to be soldiers.

    The people they killed had families too. Those families are and were grieving too.


    They were not innocent brave valiant soldiers who did no harm and while no one deserved to die - everyone deserves consideration and remembrance.


    Lest We forget who was where (their country) and who was the aggressor (for the most part).

    ---
    christ - I bet this gets deleted (Just saw the mod list).

    Lest we forget that November 11th is commemorated in a number of countries, world wide. Veterans day in the US, Armistice day in the UK and the commonwealth, as well as in France and Belgium, in whos fields some of the bloodiest battles of WWI were fought, not forgetting the huge casualties in other theatres of the war.

    November 11th is not about triumphalism, but about remembering a generation that was lost, that witnessed entire villages and streets, in Britain, France, Belgium, their colonies and dominions, Germany, and the constituent parts of the Austro-Hungarian empire, that saw off the men of fighting age, many of whom would never have returned. The loss of all was a great tradgedy, as have been many of the subsequent conflicts in europe.

    As others have noted, many ceremonies have taken place to reconcile soldiers that fought each other, from next years Battle of Britain commemoration, to the joint Japanese-American veterans ceremony that marks the battle of Iwo Jima, it is unfortunate that some are not intelligent enough to be able to accept that history is filled with shades of gray, not the black and white ethno-nationalist myths that are peddled in common culture.


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  • #7
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,647 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    neilled wrote: »
    Lest we forget that November 11th is commemorated in a number of countries, world wide. Veterans day in the US,

    Actually, not so much in the US. Veteran's Day is more a day of celebration with flagwaving and parades in honor of living military veterans. The national day of commemoration of the war dead is Memorial Day, which is in May. That started in the 19th century, it seemed a bit odd to move it to November after WWI, so they basically created a different type of holiday mark the end of the Great War.

    NTM


  • #8
    conchubhar1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭conchubhar1


    Maybe I should have clarified this in my first post but...

    This is about soldier dieing in the middle east today.



    Bashing the person not the point - hmmm :(. (being a republican does not mean that I advocate(d) violence.....)


  • #9
    conchubhar1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭conchubhar1


    conchubhar1 wrote: »
    Maybe I should have clarified this in my first post but...

    This is about soldier dieing in the middle east today.



    Bashing the person not the point - hmmm. (being a republican does not mean that I advocate(d) violence.....)

    Actually looking at it now - especially with the use of that qoute I should have clarified it.
    I meant that phrase to be used ironicaly not in the original sense. Granted that could not possible be seen as I didn't clarify it. :(


  • #10
    iceage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,533 ✭✭✭iceage


    Now I'm more confused than ever..where and when are you referring too, ironically or otherwise.

    Curious..nothing else.


  • #11
    conchubhar1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭conchubhar1


    British soldiers killed in Iraq or Afghanistan.


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  • #12
    iceage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,533 ✭✭✭iceage


    I'm glad we cleared that up. Thanks.


  • #13
    conchubhar1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭conchubhar1


    I did set myself up for the attack I got - my fault for not clarifying that.


    But still - the original point remains.....


  • #14
    cyrusdvirus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,752 ✭✭✭cyrusdvirus


    conchubhar1 wrote: »
    But still - the original point remains.....

    There was a point? Oh.... ok then......:confused:


  • #15
    conchubhar1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭conchubhar1


    conchubhar1 wrote: »
    That they killed people too - that they signed up to be soldiers.

    The people they killed had families too. Those families are and were grieving too.

    They were not innocent brave valiant soldiers who did no harm and while no one deserved to die - everyone deserves consideration and remembrance.

    Lest We forget who was where (their country) and who was the aggressor (for the most part).

    hmm ye - you cant see a point in that? in relation to glorifying the dead soldiers but victimising the people they killed while at war (unjust as it was).


  • #16
    p1akuw47h5r3it
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,001 ✭✭✭p1akuw47h5r3it


    conchubhar1 wrote: »
    hmm ye - you cant see a point in that? in relation to glorifying the dead soldiers but victimising the people they killed while at war (unjust as it was).

    I'd ctually slightly agree wit u....Why I hate seeing the coffins of dead British, american soldiers etc. I dont buy into this whole "hero" thing...

    While there's no doubt they're brave I wudnt view a soldier as a hero, no matter they're nationality.


  • #17
    troubleshooter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 311 ✭✭troubleshooter


    conchubhar1 wrote: »
    That they killed people too - that they signed up to be soldiers.

    The people they killed had families too. Those families are and were grieving too.

    They were not innocent brave valiant soldiers who did no harm and while no one deserved to die - everyone deserves consideration and remembrance.

    Lest We forget who was where (their country) and who was the aggressor (for the most part).

    (Here is where I meant to clarify that it is not ww1 etc I am talking about - my bad)



    Lest We forget who was where (their country) and who was the aggressor (for the most part).

    ...............Any evidence for this ? That Britain mainly been the aggressor ?

    Or is it just another emotive generalisation not based on historical facts ?

    Soldiers are sent to war zones by politicians and represent their nation, its only logical that their nation remembers those killed acting in its name.

    The familes of innocent civilans killed by accident are compensated by Britain. They are not killed on purpose.

    They are remembered, theres a monument in the Imperial war museum in london.


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