france v ireland 2nd leg tv rights

deiseman21

Any news on this yet or has any broadcaster picked this up yet?

Mossy Monk

No idea but if it will be Setanta I am not subscribing.

julien05

maybe itl be sky and itll be france in extra time/penos. 2-0 ireland croker fingers crossed.

icdg

No ones picked it up yet. Apparently the FFF have asked for €1.5m which is a lot more than RTÉ or Sky are willing to pay. At that price though Setanta (nor TG4) won't be picking them up and I rather suspect TV3 would be unwilling to pay that price for a one-off match.

As its a "Crown Jewel" if Sky, Setanta, or ESPN secured the rights it would also have to allow a FTA broadcaster has the right to then acquire live simultanious rights to it.

More at:
http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/tv-radio/french-fa-risking-own-goal-over-tv-rights-for-playoff-1935922.html

Sizzler

icdg wrote: »

No ones picked it up yet. Apparently the FFF have asked for €1.5m which is a lot more than RTÉ or Sky are willing to pay. At that price though Setanta (nor TG4) won't be picking them up and I rather suspect TV3 would be unwilling to pay that price for a one-off match.

As its a "Crown Jewel" if Sky, Setanta, or ESPN secured the rights it would also have to allow a FTA broadcaster has the right to then acquire live simultanious rights to it.

More at:
http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/tv-radio/french-fa-risking-own-goal-over-tv-rights-for-playoff-1935922.html

Don't believe thats the case for an away match. Crown jewels are defined as sporting events taking place within a home country, since this is an away game its a free for all and open to commercial offers.

channelsurfer

Sizzler wrote: »

Don't believe thats the case for an away match. Crown jewels are defined as sporting events taking place within a home country, since this is an away game its a free for all and open to commercial offers.

legislation states home AND away qualifiers....
http://www.dcenr.gov.ie/Press+Releases/Pre+2001/Dermot+Ahern+Announces+Free+to+Air+TV+Sports+Events.htm

STB

channelsurfer wrote: »

legislation states home AND away qualifiers....
http://www.dcenr.gov.ie/Press+Releases/Pre+2001/Dermot+Ahern+Announces+Free+to+Air+TV+Sports+Events.htm

Absolutely channel surfer. A protected sport! RTE or TV3 anyhow.

Mossy Monk

I hope TG4 get it.

Sizzler

channelsurfer wrote: »

legislation states home AND away qualifiers....
http://www.dcenr.gov.ie/Press+Releases/Pre+2001/Dermot+Ahern+Announces+Free+to+Air+TV+Sports+Events.htm

Ah.

I think I was mixing this up with the English situation...

Tableman

Any updates on this?

Mossy Monk

None.

snaps

1.5m is a bargin if the FAI sold the Dublin leg for 5m??????

copacetic

snaps wrote: »

1.5m is a bargin if the FAI sold the Dublin leg for 5m??????

Not really, 5m was for the rights to show the game in France to a market of 65million, where advertising it priced to reflect those numbers. Here the potential audience is about 4.5 million, so based on the potential advertising reach an equivalent price for Ireland is 500,000 or less.

To put it in perspective TF1 are rumoured to have paid 60million for the french rights to the world cup in south africa next summer.

blackbetty69

Mossy Monk wrote: »

No idea but if it will be Setanta I am not subscribing.

dont think they could afford it anyway lol

The Cush

copacetic wrote: »

To put it in perspective TF1 are rumoured to have paid 60million for the french rights to the world cup in south africa next summer.

According to the Irish Independent this Thursday it was double that

They earned a figure in the region of €4.5m by accepting the offer of the highest bidder, M6, an independent French station. That angered TF1 and their close friends in the FFF who duly decided to play hardball with the rights for the second leg. TF1 have staked a lot on the outcome of the play-off, as they have already spent €120m on securing the rights for next summer's finals in South Africa.

This from Goal.com

A source close to Goal.com has now revealed that RTE will wait until after Saturday's game before making another attempt to buy the broadcast rights.

RTE are reportedly not preparing to make a move for the picture feed if Ireland fail to record a good result against Les Bleus at Croke Park this weekend, thus avoiding the broadcast costs.

copacetic

The Cush wrote: »

According to the Irish Independent this Thursday it was double that

Wow, didn't think it was that much, can't find any other link for where they got that info. Just proves the point more though and shows how valuable the rights can be in a big country if they can make that back. Also shows why Fifa want the big countries there not us!

This from Goal.com

It's a dangerous game the french have played, if Ireland get a bad result on saturday the value of the rights plummets. Certainly Sky are unlikey to spend much on them. Of course who knows what to believe from the press, especially if the 'source' is 'close to goal.com'. Normally they tell you the source is close to RTE or negotiations, telling you the source knows the writer well doesn't say much

snaps

copacetic wrote: »

Not really, 5m was for the rights to show the game in France to a market of 65million, where advertising it priced to reflect those numbers. Here the potential audience is about 4.5 million, so based on the potential advertising reach an equivalent price for Ireland is 500,000 or less.

population means nothing so I've been told on other threads. poulation uk 70m, sky charge uk customers a lot less than ireland (population 5m) for subs?

irishchris

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copacetic

snaps wrote: »

population means nothing so I've been told on other threads. poulation uk 70m, sky charge uk customers a lot less than ireland (population 5m) for subs?

thats absolutely nothing to do with acquiring rights to events?

The rights for any sport/movie or event for a developed country are absolutely dependent on the population of the country they are for and the competition in the country. I don't know who told you otherwise, but they are totally wrong.

Look at the actually world cup rights for the tournament in Sth Africa, it cost about 50 times more to get the rights for France than Ireland based on the figures in independent article above. How you can see that and still say population means nothing I really don't know.

bk

snaps wrote: »

population means nothing so I've been told on other threads. poulation uk 70m, sky charge uk customers a lot less than ireland (population 5m) for subs?

As you were told in the other thread snaps, Sky charging more in Ireland has nothing to do with sports rights costs and everything to do with the lack of competition in Ireland and therefore Sky being able to charge more for their service and people still being willing to pay.

Also this is completely off topic, so please keep it in the other thread.

icdg

We normally take a dim view in these forums of people giving out details of foreign satellite programming, particularly programming whose rights are not cleared for UK & Ireland transmission. As long as this thread doesn't go into actual reception of such stations we'll leave it for the moment.

NB giving out details of streams will earn the poster a ban, as its definite breach of copyright.

afatbollix

They can post them in the sports section... It was cleared by the admins as being ok to post streams.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055506985

Mossy Monk

icdg wrote: »

We normally take a dim view in these forums of people giving out details of foreign satellite programming, particularly programming whose rights are not cleared for UK & Ireland transmission. As long as this thread doesn't go into actual reception of such stations we'll leave it for the moment.

NB giving out details of streams will earn the poster a ban, as its definite breach of copyright.

TF1 is FTA so reception of that is fair game according to the EU.

irishchris

these are not streams they are live satellite stations available freely here and found on liveonsat.com

daytrader

TF1 is FTA so reception of that is fair game according to the EU.

This is broadcast in SECAM, whats the best way to view this? in black and white or are there dvd recorders etc that can take and convert the signal.

I agree, it is FTA, so it's fair game.

Elmo

Are Irish Soccer Matches not listed for WC Qualifiers?

Therefore there are only 3 companies that can compete for these games: RTÉ, TV3 and TG4.

Also if they don't sell the games then they are out of money, even if we are to suggest that FTA satellite channels are going to cover the match.

I think the FAI should control these rights and the FFF for the French rights to the match in croke park. Anyone know how much the french paid the FAI for the game?

Mossy Monk

Elmo wrote: »

Are Irish Soccer Matches not listed for WC Qualifiers?

Therefore there are only 3 companies that can compete for these games: RTÉ, TV3 and TG4.

Nothing to stop Sky getting rights for a UK audience which would over spill into this country. That way they wouldn't have exclusive rights which is what caused the **** storm the last time. It wont happen though.

snaps

Elmo wrote: »

I think the FAI should control these rights and the FFF for the French rights to the match in croke park. Anyone know how much the french paid the FAI for the game?

€5m, thats why the FFF have asked for as much they are for the french leg. The same happened in 2001 against Turkey.

My opinion is that the FAI have been very greedy and now the ball is in the other court.

copacetic

Elmo wrote: »

I think the FAI should control these rights and the FFF for the French rights to the match in croke park. Anyone know how much the french paid the FAI for the game?

The rights for home games have nothing to do with the away team. The money from foreign TV rights when playing big games at home is a big source of funding for the FAI.

The french paid a rumoured 5 million, TF1 are the french federations broadcasts partner and are rumoured to be extremely annoyed at how the FAI handled the sale, which they didn't get. This may be partly the cause of the stand off.

Nothing new in all this, play-offs are always trouble for rights. The Turkey away game 10 years back was very similar and it never got worked out..

celticutd87

Please god let it get worked out PLEASE!!!!

Elmo

copacetic wrote: »

The rights for home games have nothing to do with the away team. The money from foreign TV rights when playing big games at home is a big source of funding for the FAI.

The french paid a rumoured 5 million, TF1 are the french federations broadcasts partner and are rumoured to be extremely annoyed at how the FAI handled the sale, which they didn't get. This may be partly the cause of the stand off.

Nothing new in all this, play-offs are always trouble for rights. The Turkey away game 10 years back was very similar and it never got worked out..

The National Football Associations should sell their teams matches to broadcasters in their country.

This would mean that the FAI would get money in for all matches not just home matches and would therefore even out the loss of big incomes from foreign broadcasters and would allow national broadcasters in small countries to iron out rights to away games from their national sporting organisations, at prices that are appropriate. Or else FIFA should lay down the prices for each country depending on the country's popularity, population and economies.

Seems to me that the FAI are only interested in money and not the game.

copacetic

Elmo wrote: »

The National Football Associations should sell their teams matches to broadcasters in their country.

This would mean that the FAI would get money in for all matches not just home matches and would therefore even out the loss of big incomes from foreign broadcasters.

I've seen it suggested that FIFA should keep central control of all rights like for the finals, and distribute funds. That might work, but there is no way your suggestion would 'even' out the loss of big incomes. The game last night made more for the FAI in one night than the entire home rights to 2 or 3 qualifying campaigns.

Elmo

copacetic wrote: »

I've seen it suggested that FIFA should keep central control of all rights like for the finals, and distribute funds. That might work, but there is no way your suggestion would 'even' out the loss of big incomes. The game last night made more for the FAI in one night than the entire home rights to 2 or 3 qualifying campaigns.

Yes but they would have 2 or 3 qualifying matches more to sell ! The current system suggests that each local Soccer Organisation knows the cost of rights in all countries, perhaps the FAI could have got more and been a little more diplomatic when selling their rights to the French companies.

Anyway it is a complete farce of a organisation that they can't promote League of Ireland properly.

copacetic

Elmo wrote: »

Yes but they would have 2 or 3 qualifying matches more to sell ! .

You aren't getting it, the Irish rights are tiny compared to the french rights. So selling the rights to the french is worth 10 times more than owning the rights to the away leg for Ireland.

Same with the Italian TV rights to their game here, it was worth 5 times more than every other game put together.

It wouldn't even come close to 'evening' out.

Elmo

copacetic wrote: »

You aren't getting it, the Irish rights are tiny compared to the french rights. So selling the rights to the french is worth 10 times more than owning the rights to the away leg for Ireland.

Same with the Italian TV rights to their game here, it was worth 5 times more than every other game put together.

It wouldn't even come close to 'evening' out.

Well I don't think the FAI should be around that type of money until such time as they know how to use it

You should have said 10 times to begin with rather than 2 to 3 times

copacetic

Elmo wrote: »

Well I don't think the FAI should be around that type of money until such time as they know how to use it

You should have said 10 times to begin with rather than 2 to 3 times

I didn't say 2 or 3 times, I said 2 or 3 campaigns. i.e 10-15 games

Elmo

copacetic wrote: »

I didn't say 2 or 3 times, I said 2 or 3 campaigns. i.e 10-15 games

Ah! you can tell I have no interest in sport

I would like to know where all this money for rights go and how much do they earn a year on it?

And really how popular is a Match against Ireland in France? France V Germany now that is a match.

Mossy Monk

Elmo wrote: »

And really how popular is a Match against Ireland in France? France V Germany now that is a match.

A play off for the world cup i'd imagine is pretty popular.

130dee

I know this is me just going off on 1 but if the same happened to the rugby, RTE would hand over the crown jewels (if we had crown jewels) to secure the tv rights, if we don't get coverage of this make or break tie I am all for severing all ties with french tv, and we should never let them see another match involving one of their teams playing on Irish soil again..... Whos with me?

greeno

Jeez, thought this would have been sorted by now!

Tipsy Mac

130dee wrote: »

I know this is me just going off on 1 but if the same happened to the rugby, RTE would hand over the crown jewels (if we had crown jewels) to secure the tv rights, if we don't get coverage of this make or break tie I am all for severing all ties with french tv, and we should never let them see another match involving one of their teams playing on Irish soil again..... Whos with me?

If the FAI hadn't sold the Irish rights for €5million to a rival Franch broadcaster to who normally shows the games we likely wouldn't be in this mess.

Bigal99

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Mossy Monk

130dee wrote: »

I know this is me just going off on 1 but if the same happened to the rugby, RTE would hand over the crown jewels (if we had crown jewels) to secure the tv rights, if we don't get coverage of this make or break tie I am all for severing all ties with french tv, and we should never let them see another match involving one of their teams playing on Irish soil again..... Whos with me?

I would agree if it was TF1. AFAIK France 2 and 3 show the rugby.

An Tarbh

Tipsy Mac wrote: »

If the FAI hadn't sold the Irish rights for €5million to a rival Franch broadcaster to who normally shows the games we likely wouldn't be in this mess.

I'm sorry but that's utter rubbish. This is the FFF acting in an even more amateur and pathetic way than the FAI have ever done. They tried to pull a fast one on the FAI by bypassing SportFive, without telling them I'll add, and bid for the match in Dublin themselves for a paltry €2.5 million while SportFive bid €4 million, so it's no wonder the FAI went looking for other options when there was that level of confusion, TF1 told them the FFF dealt on their behalf, France Televisions weren't interested and M6 were and bid more, the FAI don't deserve any backlash for selling to M6, who are a terrestrial channel so nobody was being denied anything in France. This is the same organisation that has a manager who relies on tarot cards for selection, I rest my case.

copacetic

So rumour is that a deal has been done for around original offer from RTE.

snaps

just been thinking here, why are sky not showing the match or even bidding? Is it because if they do get the rights they have to give it to RTE for free?

If it was an England game i can bet they would buy the rights and show the match?

Shows how sky are shafting the Irish yet again!

Vanbis

RTE Radio confirmed this morning that RTE had secured the broadcasting rights for €800,000.

Pelotudo

Will it be on Sky as well?

Vanbis

Pelotudo wrote: »

Will it be on Sky as well?

Nope, they don't seem to have the rights for the game.

markpauldunne

Good news.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2009/1117/republicofireland_rights.html

Its on. lets beat them....

The Bull

From rte.ie

http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2009/1117/republicofireland_rights.html

RTÉ Sport is delighted to announce that the national broadcaster has secured the broadcast rights to the Republic of Ireland's World Cup Qualifying play-off against France on Wednesday.

The match will be broadcast live on RTÉ Two television, RTÉ Radio 1 and streamed live on RTÉ.ie.