George Hook

johngalway

Commenting on the shooting at Fort Hood in the USA says (going from my memory so forgive mistakes)

"You people make guns readily available, have a gun culture and cry when people get shot"

D.ucks sake like.

rrpc

You mean he actually finished a sentence?

Rovi

The bould George has made no secret of his aversion to firearms over the years.
I heard him use the word "abhor" in relation to guns pretty recently.

johngalway

As Michael Graham said, "He was a soldier, of course he had access to guns" :rolleyes:

The point being, one thing has nothing to do with the other.

GH gone way down in my estimation. Got no good radio prog to listen to now

Rew

I heard another presenter on Newstalk giving out wrong information anout firearms as fact a while back. Its common for various Irish radio presenters to puch there own brand of the truth and ignore teir obvious ignorance of basic facts.

Sparks

Wow, a soldier had access to firearms. I mean, you'd think it was a slow news day, that there wasn't a protest march by the unions, that NAMA wasn't almost here, that the economy wasn't causing more and more problems, but no, we have to go digging for muck in senseless massacres in other countries :rolleyes:




Though I will undermine my own thought here to say that it was unusual that the shooter was a mental health professional - and that that does rather put an odd light on the idea of screening licence applicants for mental health...

a4775

but george hook is saying what the majority of people in this country is thinking
most people dont like guns, and dont like hunting
they think that the people who go out shooting pheasants are lords of the manor and have nothing better to do than to kill innocent animals

they dont know what the average shooter is like, and they dont know how bloody tiresome it is trying to get a gun license

Grizzly 45

Why the Heck are ye all grousing here??Get texting or ringing to tell him otherwise!!!:)

Vegeta

Sparks wrote: »

Wow, a soldier had access to firearms. I mean, you'd think it was a slow news day,

But it is unusual for an off duty soldier to have access to firearms no?

They don't walk around base armed or anything, their service arms are stored in the armory unless they are on duty I would have thought. If living on base I thought personal firearms were also stored there.

Manic Moran could probably shed more light on it though

johngalway

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Why the Heck are ye all grousing here??Get texting or ringing to tell him otherwise!!!:)

To let people know

Also sent this not long after posting

Dear George,

I've long listened to and enjoyed your segments with Michael Graham. But, I must take issue with your, presumably, throw away comment on the shooting at Fort Hood in the USA. Forgive me if I misquote you as I am going purely on memory, but your words went a little like "You people make guns available, have a gun culture, and then cry when someone get's shot". I must object strongly to this. Michael rightly corrected you that of course soldiers have access to firearms. But, my point is this, legal access to firearms by law abiding citizens, nor another countries laws towards it's civilian population had any bearing whatsoever on the shootings at Fort Hood. I would appreciate if you would retract you comment please, as it offensive to many law abiding people in this country who enjoy legal and safe shooting sports. The shooting public in Ireland are, indeed have to be one of the most law abiding segments of the population. Not only that but we also have to be seen above and beyond to be such. Negative, pointless, ill informed comments such as the ones you made really aren't needed.

Now, since I do listen to your programme I'll say that because of the content of this email you won't read it out live on air tonight...

...mostly because they're the ones that do get read out!

Yours in sport,

Grizzly 45

Seems they were personal firearms.On a US base,in living quaters you can have your own personal non issued firearms.Provided local state laws are observed,and you are of course over 21.:rolleyes:
Only lot who would be armed would be MPs or Shore Patrol[if you are Navy or Marines].Or a quick reaction force,if there was a clear and present danger like an imminent attack.Sounds like this guy didnt want to go to Iraq and decided to go postal.Does throw up the question who head shrinks the head shrink???Most of them as a breed have a few screws loose themselves..:eek:
Either that or he got a fatal attack of Allah...???

johngalway

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Seems they were personal firearms.

OOPS

Grizzly 45

Not really ...TEXAS!!!!:D:D:D

Sparks

Before we wind up going down an odd road here, can we direct the thread away from discussions of force protection on US military bases and back towards any comments Hook might make that reflect on Irish firearms holders, if any?

rowa

the problem is george hook , vincent brown , joe duffy etc get up on there high horse and try to speak for everyone thinking everyone is like them , " i don't need or want to own a firearm or enjoy a shooting sport , so i don't see why anyone else would either "

like it or lump it thats the way it is , i remember listening to joe duffy a few years ago reporting on liveline about the shooting of one man and the suicide of the shooter in a dispute over a land border , and his idea was no guns at all in civilian hands and if someone was having trouble with a stray dog or a fox that someone from the army should be called out ! this man could have just as easily killed the other with a slashhook or crowbar .

BornToKill

Here's what the Irish Times has to say. Three quarters of all homicides down to handguns? That's a new one for me anyway.

Dvs

BornToKill wrote: »

Here's what the Irish Times has to say. Three quarters of all homicides down to handguns? That's a new one for me anyway.

Thats not what it says in the article.

Dvs.

BornToKill

Dvs wrote: »

Thats not what it says in the article.

Dvs.

It's not? Explain please ...

'the country’s 12,000 gun homicides a year – three-quarters of them with handguns – have only had a peripheral impact in recent years on legislative or judicial attempts at control'

It wasn't me!

Think he's making the points that three quarters of gun homicides is not the same as three quarters of homicides.

BornToKill

Fair enough. Let me restate.

Here's what the Irish Times has to say. Three quarters of all gun homicides down to handguns? That's a new one for me anyway.

Grizzly 45

Wouldnt put down too much to that article..Badly written,factually inaccurate written by someone who is filling space and hasnt a clue about the US gun situation...IOW typical piece of Irish journalistic CRAP!
But I wouldnt expect much else from the IT.

BornToKill

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Badly written,factually inaccurate

Why do you say that?

Grizzly 45

The "conservatism" of President Obama on the gun control issue for one...He and Billary Clinton were two of the most notorious anti gun senators in Congess along with Joe Biden over the last decade..

Texas does require a CWP,so the statement that they can just aquire over the counter is false.As is that police would have no idea as to whom has handguns,there is the Brady instant check...

The Senate down voting the "recopricity " of CWPs is BS as well!! That is not a Federal issue,rather a State issue,as to which states want to recognise each others CWP permits,appx 2/3rd do recognise each others.

Plus stupid terms like DC "a federal enclave" WTF does that mean??? The entire USA and it's states are Federal enclaves..Either the reporter doesnt understand how the US is governd or how a Federal system works...

Need I go on..

Bananaman

Folks,

Let's not be baited by this rubbish into justifying it with a discussion on a topic that is not relevant to the Irish Situation.

I think it is enough to say that it is low brow sensationalist tabloid journalism, intended to evoke a sense of fear in people.

If you feel strongly about it then draft a leter t the editor and complain about his reporters becoming tabloid and the integrity of his paper being eroded with this sensationalist rubbish. Also ask when the series on UFOs and alien abductions will begin as you will be in a diffeent dimension at the time and may have to back order.

B'Man