Help Regading H.Dip...

V480

I'm just looking in to applying for the H. Dip for post-primary teaching and hope somebody here can ans. a few questions...

Firstly, I wish to teach English and History. However, my degree is recognised by the Teaching Council for the teaching of English only. Does this mean that I would be only able to teach English for the H. Dip? I have studied History as a 10 credit module in each of the four years of my Undergraduate degree and also chose a History topic for my final year dissertation...I'm not sure if this would make a difference?

On the UCC website it states: ''Only applicants with degrees deemed eligible by the Teachers Registration Council for the purposes of secondary school teaching will be offered places on the NUI Postgraduate Diploma in Education programmes.'' My Degree IS recognised by the Teaching Co., but only for the Teaching of English, so does this rule out History from my H.dip??

Secondly, I am currently persuing an MA in Modern Irish History. One of the main reasons I decided to do this History MA was because I thought that it would increase my prospects of being able to teach History at second level but people have subsequently advised me that this is not the case?

And finally (!) I'm not sure where exactly where would be suitable for me to study next year...so can you apply for a number for different courses and choose if/when you are offered a place? Or are you limited to one application?

Hope somebody can help

David

D.Mar

Hi, here's some info for you

You can only teach a subject you have a degree in. A masters does not count at all. In some cases, you might be able to teach a subject if it made up 30% of your degree course, but you would need to clear it with the teaching council (which costs money, and takes ages!). Unless History was 30% of an undergrad degree, you cannot teach it.

You might be able to do History as your second hdip subject along with English, I'm pretty sure you can if you want. But this alone will not qualify you as a history teacher.

You apply to Trinity by written application, and might get called for an interview. You apply to the NUI colleges (ucd, maynooth, cork, galway...) in a points system where you list your preferences in order of choice (kind of like the cao system). You can apply to both Trinity and the NUI colleges, and the deadline for both is 1st December.

peanuthead

Hey

Currently doing DIP in maynooth, so I can tell you what the story is there:

If your degree was joint English and History (taken both for finals) then you can teach.

If you did it in first year, or never did it at all and are just interested in it, you may take it as a methodology and you will get a cert to say that you did so, but this will NOT be recognised by the teaching council.

It will, however, possibly come in handy in the making up of your timetable when you do get a job in a school. Although you will never be given a job as a history teacher, or will never be given permamency in a history teaching position.


On that note can I give you some other advice. Really look into the colleges that you choose. For example, I wanted to do it in UCD as thats where I was an undergraduate. I ended up choosing maynooth though because of the make up of hours
UCD: teaching every day, college every evening
MAYNOOTH: teaching mon, fri, college tues-thurs.

I personally think people in UCD are fantastic to be able to cope under that schedule, its just so demamding time-wise

best of luck!!

anamaria

If the teaching council won't recognise the history part of your degree (10 credits a year does not add up to 35% of your degree) then you won't be able to register as a history teacher and won't be able to apply for jobs as a history teacher.

But, as someone just pointed out, onc eyou get into a school you may be able to use your history then.

V480

That's great, thanks very much! I never knew that about the variation with hours...I heard that UCD can be tough enough alright though.

dory

That's very interesting. I never knew each of the college have such different timetables. Anyone have any info on any other Universities??

I also have a question, hope no one minds if I jump in.
If someone has a double honours arts degree, overall mark is 69% so 46 points, but only one subject is a teaching subject. How does that affect points?

Also, can one just apply with one teachable subject and take a pedagogy class in something (I realise they will not be in anyway qualified to teach the subject), or would it be necessary to contact the university in advance and ask them?

Also, having trouble finding a place with a pedagogy class in economics. Anyone know of one? And I heard of someone who had taken some career guidance modules with their PGDE (again, not qualfiying them in that area). Any idea which University offers career guidance classes?

Oh, one more. I heard a rumour that if you get a place and turn it down you cannot apply again for a certain amount of years. Is this true?
Thanks!

peanuthead

dory wrote: »

That's very interesting. I never knew each of the college have such different timetables. Anyone have any info on any other Universities??

I also have a question, hope no one minds if I jump in.
If someone has a double honours arts degree, overall mark is 69% so 46 points, but only one subject is a teaching subject. How does that affect points?

Also, can one just apply with one teachable subject and take a pedagogy class in something (I realise they will not be in anyway qualified to teach the subject), or would it be necessary to contact the university in advance and ask them?

Also, having trouble finding a place with a pedagogy class in economics. Anyone know of one? And I heard of someone who had taken some career guidance modules with their PGDE (again, not qualfiying them in that area). Any idea which University offers career guidance classes?

Oh, one more. I heard a rumour that if you get a place and turn it down you cannot apply again for a certain amount of years. Is this true?
Thanks!

I also know that Trinity is Thurs, Fri and Monday morning in School, Monday PM, Tuesday and Wed in college.

My main issue with Trinity would be the lack of parking if you drive. If you drive to school, you will have to use public transport to get to college, thus increasing your bills (ie: its okay paying tax, ins.. but if you have to buy bus tickets on top of that also, its probably best to do one or the other and I would recommend car if you can, takes a lot of stress out of it.)

Maynooth does economics, its on out timetable for the year.
I also know that Maynooth does a career guidance dip, but its not on our timetable so I would assume that its a separate dip of its own?? Maybe I'm totally wrong there, but I do remember one guy doing it in our school in Maynooth.

I am in college tomorrow (doing PGDE at moment) I will ask for you, ok?

About not taking the course place? Do you mean not taking it or deferring it? I wouldn't imagine that it would have any impact on your application, after all, there are a number of reasons you may not be able to do the course, family problems, money problems etc..

One thing though... In April if you are awarded a place you will be asked to pay about 400 to hold it. This does come off your fees but if you forfeit your place you don't get it back.

Powerhouse

peanuthead wrote: »

About not taking the course place? Do you mean not taking it or deferring it? I wouldn't imagine that it would have any impact on your application, after all, there are a number of reasons you may not be able to do the course, family problems, money problems etc..

For the purposes of the PGDE this is the same thing because they don't allow you to defer a place. You go back into the pot again from scratch and take your chances. There is no difficulty with reapplying immediately even if you don't take a place.

ralphlauren1

Hello

I also have a question about hdip i hope you dont mind me on this thread.i was planning on applying for the higher diploma in education in business in UL closing date is march 6th however i now discovered my course is not recognised. even though the same course in cork is. Anyway this means I now have to apply to teaching council to get it recognised. They say it takes 10-12 weeks which would mean I would make the closing date if successful does anyone know if this is an accurate time frame or if realistically I will need to wait another year to apply.

Thanks very much.