organ donation seminar in dublin

genericguy

there's an organ donation seminar in dublin today to improve the sytem in this country.

personally i think the system should be this:

You turn 18, and automatically become an organ donor. On your first visit to the GP, you are told by the doctor that you can opt out of this, which means after your death you can retain your organs for use in heaven, valhalla, or on the 'most haunted' TV show, or wherever people think they are going when they die.

If you choose to opt out, you cannot under any circumstances be considered as a transplant recipient, irrespective of how often you go to mass.

Children of course would be exempt from this, their organs not being donated without the consent of the parents, still receiving an organ if they meet the existing criteria.

What would you do to improve the system?

Dord

Make it so that you can opt out by texting STOP to 51666 :pac:

phasers

I bet the seminar is a trick to get people in and steal their organs :eek:

brianrcarney

i definitely think it should be an opt out system!

where is the seminar on?

Jesus Wept

phasers wrote: »

I bet the seminar is a trick to get people in and steal their organs

It's being held in Tubs and Tiles. Bring your own ice.

You turn 18, and automatically become an organ donor. On your first visit to the GP, you are told by the doctor that you can opt out of this

Not a great notification, I wasn't at a doctor betwen the ages 12 - 25.

NothingMan

I agree it should definitely be a you're in until you opt out system.

I don't currently have a doner card in my wallet, but my drivers license has my blood type and all the boxes ticked for organ donation, but if I wasn't in my car when something happened I would like them to know they can have whatyever they want.

Mark200

NothingMan wrote: »

I agree it should definitely be a you're in until you opt out system.

I don't currently have a doner card in my wallet, but my drivers license has my blood type and all the boxes ticked for organ donation, but if I wasn't in my car when something happened I would like them to know they can have whatyever they want.

Yeah I have all those boxes ticked (don't know my blood type).


I keep meaning to get on organ donor card. I'll write it on my hand now to remember to sort it out later.

JohnMatthews

OPT OUT?????????????

What do you get a list of things that your rulers have opted you in for?

Mark200

JohnMatthews wrote: »

OPT OUT?????????????

What do you get a list of things that your rulers have opted you in for?

Well your 'rulers' currently opt you in for pretty much free healthcare.... I think it's fair that they opt you in to donate your organs to other people rather than save them to feed the worms when you're dead.

glaston

It seems very harsh but the automatic elimination from consideration after opt out would at least make people think about the issue a little more.

I think people need to realise how Irish people benefit directly from organs donated from other countries.

Am I correct in saying that you are more likely to require a donated organ than to be in a position to donate one?

brianrcarney

Mark200 wrote: »

Yeah I have all those boxes ticked (don't know my blood type).


I keep meaning to get on organ donor card. I'll write it on my hand now to remember to sort it out later.

www.ika.ie or call 01-620 5306

or text DONOR to 50050

or call 1890 543639

or your pharmacy should have the cards!!

JohnMatthews

Mark200 wrote: »

I think it's fair that they opt you in to donate your organs to other people rather than save them to feed the worms when you're dead.

I think it's fair that I decide what happens to my body, not anyone else.

happyfriday

I'm an organ donor and I think the opt out thing is a good odea but not sure I agree with not being allowed to get a donation if you opt out. I'm willing to donate, I am not religious at all and I believe in donating my organs so that they might save another persons life, it is my choice. I don't think it is very fair to punish someone for their beliefs which alot of the time is the case for people not donating.

AnonoBoy

JohnMatthews wrote: »

I think it's fair that I decide what happens to my body, not anyone else.

And you would. You could very simply opt out of the scheme.

Personally I think Organ Donation is something everyone should do. It helps improve and save the lives of so many people. I would like to think that even when I'm done that I could be of help to others.

brianrcarney

if your beliefs are strong enough to not donate its simple - opt out!

phasers

happyfriday wrote: »

I'm an organ donor and I think the opt out thing is a good odea but not sure I agree with not being allowed to get a donation if you opt out. I'm willing to donate, I am not religious at all and I believe in donating my organs so that they might save another persons life, it is my choice. I don't think it is very fair to punish someone for their beliefs which alot of the time is the case for people not donating.

If somebody doesn't believe in donating organs would they not also be against accepting somebody else's?

JohnMatthews

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Personally I think Organ Donation is something everyone should do.

Well then you get a donor card.

brianrcarney wrote: »

if your beliefs are strong enough to not donate its simple - opt out!

There is a massive queston of human rights here, if you cannot see that, I can't help you.

c0rk3r

I wrote to the Irish kidney association recently about donating my organs. They can have absolutely anything they may be able to harvest except my eyes, i dont want to be a blind ghost. So heart, lungs, kidneys, liver, stomach, intestines, muscle mass, skin if it hasnt decayed rapidly etc.

The only problem i find with donating your organs is that they may go to someone i dislike. Someone whos morals or ethics doesnt match mine. So in writing to the association i tried to design 30 questions for people to take in the event they need my organs. Im not completely heartless, just get 24 right and you qualify. Afterall they are my organs and id like some sort of decision making even though id be dead

ie- Ive worked hard to get my VO2 max to a high level through excerise and also have a strong heart. imagine my disgust if my lungs went to a smoker. Or my heart goes to some 30 year old obese cholestrol ridden idiot whos suffered a heart attack jeopardizing their own heart thus needing mine. Feck that you cant have mine, should of looked after yourself. Or imagine a bigoted homophobe like our minister for Equality Dermot Ahern getting one of my kidneys. Feck that

I signed up regardless. I'll just have to hope some joker doesnt get them

Oh and if your not signed up you shouldnt be able to avail of the service

Jesus Wept

c0rk3r wrote: »

I wrote to the Irish kidney association recently about donating my organs. They can have absolutely anything they may be able to harvest except my eyes, i dont want to be a blind ghost. So heart, lungs, kidneys, liver, stomach, intestines, muscle mass, skin if it hasnt decayed rapidly etc.

The only problem i find with donating your organs is that they may go to someone i dislike. Someone whos morals or ethics doesnt match mine. So in writing to the association i tried to design 30 questions for people to take in the event they need my organs. Im not completely heartless, just get 24 right and you qualify. Afterall they are my organs and id like some sort of decision making even though id be dead

ie- Ive worked hard to get my VO2 max to a high level through excerise and also have a strong heart. imagine my disgust if my lungs went to a smoker. Or my heart goes to some 30 year old obese cholestrol ridden idiot whos suffered a heart attack jeopardizing their own heart thus needing mine. Feck that you cant have mine, should of looked after yourself. Or imagine a bigoted homophobe like our minister for Equality Dermot Ahern getting one of my kidneys. Feck that

I signed up regardless. I'll just have to hope some joker doesnt get them

Oh and if your not signed up you shouldnt be able to avail of the service

Good idea. I might decide who gets mine with a tie breaker.

I really want The-Riggers Organ ...[complete in exactly 7 words]


Or so forth.
Good idea c0rk3r, food for thought.

WindSock

brianrcarney wrote: »

www.ika.ie or call 01-620 5306

or text DONOR to 50050

or call 1890 543639

or your pharmacy should have the cards!!

The best way to ensure your organs are donated after you die is to inform close friends and family. I don't carry a card but they all know what to do with my bits when the time comes.

happyfriday

phasers wrote: »

If somebody doesn't believe in donating organs would they not also be against accepting somebody else's?

I don't think it's got to do with the belief in medicine, from what I can gather some people are afraid that they won't be fully functional in the 'after life' you often hear of people who don't want to donate their eyes for example. For most it's not a problem but for some it is and I just don't think it is fair to punish them. I have no choice who my organs go to, if you want to start putting limitations on who gets them, why not start with rapists, child molesters and murderers.

genericguy

happyfriday wrote: »

I'm an organ donor and I think the opt out thing is a good odea but not sure I agree with not being allowed to get a donation if you opt out. I'm willing to donate, I am not religious at all and I believe in donating my organs so that they might save another persons life, it is my choice. I don't think it is very fair to punish someone for their beliefs which alot of the time is the case for people not donating.

I would not under any circumstances be ok with someone who refuses to donate organs receiving any of mine.

WindSock

c0rk3r wrote: »

The only problem i find with donating your organs is that they may go to someone i dislike. Someone whos morals or ethics doesnt match mine. So in writing to the association i tried to design 30 questions for people to take in the event they need my organs. Im not completely heartless, just get 24 right and you qualify. Afterall they are my organs and id like some sort of decision making even though id be dead

But maybe your organs will infiltrate their beleif system and opinions and actions, like snakes hair :pac:

hidinginthebush

I'd give my right eye to go to that seminar!

genericguy

hidinginthebush wrote: »

I'd give my right eye to go to that seminar!

get back to work you!

JohnMatthews

genericguy wrote: »

I would not under any circumstances be ok with someone who refuses to donate organs receiving any of mine.

You would not be in much of a position to do anything about it, would you?

Mark200

JohnMatthews wrote: »

There is a massive queston of human rights here, if you cannot see that, I can't help you.

You must have misunderstood... they wouldn't take them from you while you're alive. It's when you'll be dead, and technically no longer a 'human'. And, if you don't want them to take your organs from your dead rotting body, then you can have a card with you that ensures that they get buried.

I don't see what rights exactly are being breached.

The only difference is if you are unconscious before the doctors get to you then they assume you do want to donate your organs, instead of assuming that you don't. Unless, of course, you have a card or something with you that says otherwise.

NothingMan

c0rk3r wrote: »

They can have absolutely anything they may be able to harvest except my eyes, i dont want to be a blind ghost. So heart, lungs, kidneys, liver, stomach, intestines, muscle mass, skin if it hasnt decayed rapidly etc.

Ok so you'd be a skinless so in agony, muscleness so you wouldn't be able to move, no lungs to breathe, intestines or stomach to eat or digest, or heart to pump blood. If a ghost doesn't need all this stuff why would you need eyes?

Mark200

NothingMan wrote: »

Ok so you'd be a skinless so in agony, muscleness so you wouldn't be able to move, no lungs to breathe, intestines or stomach to eat or digest, or heart to pump blood. If a ghost doesn't need all this stuff why would you need eyes?

Ah now, when was the last time you've seen a ghost bleed! They have no blood

NothingMan

Mark200 wrote: »

Ah now, when was the last time you've seen a ghost bleed! They have no blood

When I lived in a little town called Amityville, my house was possessed and the walls use to bleed all the time.

hidinginthebush

NothingMan wrote: »

Ok so you'd be a skinless so in agony, muscleness so you wouldn't be able to move, no lungs to breathe, intestines or stomach to eat or digest, or heart to pump blood. If a ghost doesn't need all this stuff why would you need eyes?

in fairness, a pair of ghost-eyes floating around would be absolutely terrifying!

genericguy

JohnMatthews wrote: »

You would not be in much of a position to do anything about it, would you?

currently no, however if this system were brought in like it is in other countries then i'd be perfectly happy with whomever got my organs.

JohnMatthews

Mark200 wrote: »

You must have misunderstood... they wouldn't take them from you while you're alive.

Don't be getting smart.

Mark200 wrote: »

technically no longer a 'human'..

And would you know a lot about the technicalities of being a human?

Mark200 wrote: »

And, if you don't want them to take your organs from your dead rotting body, .

Exactly MY dead body, not the states.

Mark200 wrote: »

then you can have a card with you that ensures that they get buried..

You would be sliced and diced before any card was looked for. This is reality, not some fictional land.

I have a question for you, do the Financial Regulators regulate banks?

Mark200 wrote: »

I don't see what rights exactly are being breached..

As I said before, I can't help you here.

JohnMatthews

genericguy wrote: »

currently no, however if this system were brought in like it is in other countries then i'd be perfectly happy with whomever got my organs.

name another country where your are automatically a donor without explicit consent?

AssaultedPeanut

c0rk3r wrote: »

Or imagine a bigoted homophobe like our minister for Equality Dermot Ahern getting one of my kidneys. Feck that

In this case I'd prefer they have my kidney, lung, liver...whatever, but make sure they are told after the op "by the way, she was a gay, enjoy"

It'd only be a pity I wouldn't be around to get to see it


:pac:

AnonoBoy

JohnMatthews wrote: »

name another country where your are automatically a donor without explicit consent?

Sweden. Israel. Austria, Belgium and Spain.

It will come in here eventually I'd say.

Hells Belle

JohnMatthews wrote: »

name another country where your are automatically a donor without explicit consent?

Under Spanish law, every corpse can provide organs unless the deceased person expressly rejected it FTW!

Google is a wonderful tool

genericguy

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Sweden. Israel. Austria, Belgium and Spain.

correct.

AnonoBoy

John Matthews I think your argument is falling flat on its face a bit.

JohnMatthews

AnonoBoy wrote: »

John Matthews I think your argument is falling flat on its face a bit.

:rolleyes: What because the majority of internet forum posters have the opposite opinion?? I think in a lot of ways that proves that I am correct.

D

I'm sorry for asking a seemingly stupid question but they definitely wait till you are totally dead (brain death). I just seem to remember someone mentioning in another donor thread that there are a few organs that they prefer to take while you are still alive if they know that you are going to die so that the organ is still in peak condition.

ScumLord

This looks fairly decisive genericguy, please tell your minions that AH approves of this plan and they may go ahead and make it into a law or whatever they do. But tell them we do not tolerate failure so they'd better not lose any kidneys or drop any livers so that people might slip on them and sue the hospitals, that just would not do.

c0rk3r wrote: »

ie- Ive worked hard to get my VO2 max to a high level through excerise and also have a strong heart. imagine my disgust if my lungs went to a smoker. Or my heart goes to some 30 year old obese cholestrol ridden idiot whos suffered a heart attack jeopardizing their own heart thus needing mine.

Well who do you think it's going to go to? The Olympic athlete up the road that eats healthy and has no health problems or the fat drugie down the road wearing his liver down into a toxic bag of disease?

JohnMatthews

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Israel

http://www.watan.com/en/the-news/633-new-york-police-arrest-jewish-gang-trafficking-organs-of-algerian-children.html

AnonoBoy wrote: »

It will come in here eventually I'd say.

No doubt about that, but then again if every second child was killed in Germany the vast majority would demand that we have the same law,

"sur dem peopill ave dat, we shud to"

c0rk3r

Anyway the irish kidney association was against the idea. I tried to compromise by suggesting that they be read a joke instead. If the patient laughed, smirked or smiled they qualify but again they were against the idea. Theres just no budging with those guys which you;ve got to admire. As i said i donated my organs regardless

Obviously nothingman you dont seem to know how ghosts exist or function. The only part of your body which transcends to the next level are your eyes. This is a measurable, quantifiable scientific fact. The ectoplasm that is enclosed in your eyes is measurable after you die by scientific equipment. If you pop over and have a read of the paranormal forum you'll get an understanding of this

NothingMan

c0rk3r wrote: »

Obviously nothingman you dont seem to know how ghosts exist or function. The only part of your body which transcends to the next level are your eyes. This is a measurable, quantifiable scientific fact. The ectoplasm that is enclosed in your eyes is measurable after you die by scientific equipment. If you pop over and have a read of the paranormal forum you'll get an understanding of this

Thank you for that info, I am now drawing up a plan to set up a cart selling sun glasses at the entrance to the tunnel. I hear that white light at the end of it can be blinding.:cool:

AnonoBoy

JohnMatthews wrote: »

:rolleyes: What because the majority of internet forum posters have the opposite opinion?? I think in a lot of ways that proves that I am correct.

Hah! Nice try but no. I was referring to the fact that you were almost certain that no other country had this scheme when in fact many do and people aren't screaming about it being a violation of human rights.

JohnMatthews wrote:

http://www.watan.com/en/the-news/633-new-york-police-arrest-jewish-gang-trafficking-organs-of-algerian-children.html

What's that got to do with what we're talking about? That's organ trafficking, not organ donation.

JohnMatthews wrote:

No doubt about that, but then again if every second child was killed in Germany the vast majority would demand that we have the same law,
"sur dem peopill ave dat, we shud to"

What are you talking about here? I honestly can't follow you.

JohnMatthews

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Hah! Nice try but no. I was referring to the fact that you were almost certain that no other country had this scheme when in fact many do and people aren't screaming about it being a violation of human rights.

I was asking a question. As for people screaming about a violation of human rights, well you are hardly going to read about that in the mainstream media, are you?

AnonoBoy wrote: »

What's that got to do with what we're talking about? That's organ trafficking, not organ donation. .

Organs are a very in demand item, you might want to consider this before your "parts" are sold to the highest bidder.

AnonoBoy wrote: »

What are you talking about here? I honestly can't follow you.

The rabble have a herd mentality, "we are all in dis together".

NothingMan

JohnMatthews wrote: »

I was asking a question. As for people screaming about a violation of human rights, well you are hardly going to read about that in the mainstream media, are you?


Organs are a very in demand item, you might want to consider this before your "parts" are sold to the highest bidder.

I don't think this has much to do with what we are discussing. ie. Legal medical organ donation.

Maybe you'd feel more at home in the conspiracy theory section.

General Zod

AnonoBoy wrote: »

And you would. You could very simply opt out of the scheme.

Personally I think Organ Donation is something everyone should do. It helps improve and save the lives of so many people. I would like to think that even when I'm done that I could be of help to others.

No, the decision should be made to opt in, never to opt out. You cannot make the decision for someone else, which is what an opt in scheme would be.

CathyMoran

genericguy wrote: »

there's an organ donation seminar in dublin today to improve the sytem in this country.

personally i think the system should be this:

You turn 18, and automatically become an organ donor. On your first visit to the GP, you are told by the doctor that you can opt out of this, which means after your death you can retain your organs for use in heaven, valhalla, or on the 'most haunted' TV show, or wherever people think they are going when they die.

If you choose to opt out, you cannot under any circumstances be considered as a transplant recipient, irrespective of how often you go to mass.

Children of course would be exempt from this, their organs not being donated without the consent of the parents, still receiving an organ if they meet the existing criteria.

What would you do to improve the system?

Great, so those that need organs but just have the misfortune of having a medical condition that means that they can never donate organs are going to automatically die - not good.

I agree that all healthy people should have an opt out rather than an opt in but they should be allowed organs regardless of what they decide.

I can never donate for various medical reasons and I would not want my body to be used after death in medical research. Also, what is the story with dnr's - are the organs given then? Confused!

AnonoBoy

General Zod wrote: »

No, the decision should be made to opt in, never to opt out. You cannot make the decision for someone else, which is what an opt in scheme would be.

If everyone is aware of the fact that they are opted in then if they do nothing then that counts as consent. Even in countries with an 'opt out' scheme families can opt the person out after death.