NBS conditions breach

Sponge Bob

http://www.siliconrepublic.com/news/article/14263/comms/30-new-jobs-for-satellite-broadband-ireland-after-nbs-deal-with-3

Astra2Connect is not compliant with the basic NBS service objectives , no matter what Eamon Ryan says . Nothing smart about this at all

“This goes to show that the National Broadband Scheme has brought new smart jobs to Mullingar, and it will continue to bring these jobs to other parts of the country as it progresses,” said Communications Minister Eamon Ryan TD.

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Sponge Bob wrote: »

http://www.siliconrepublic.com/news/article/14263/comms/30-new-jobs-for-satellite-broadband-ireland-after-nbs-deal-with-3

Astra2Connect is not compliant with the basic NBS service objectives , no matter what Eamon Ryan says . Nothing smart about this at all

Read the article, says the mullingar company use Eutelsat, A2C is an SES Astra product.

watty

So is Avanti (a) Run out of capacity? OR (b) Getting dumped (or both).

The "proper" Ka Tooway service is not available till next year. The current service has limited capacity.

As noted earlier the ONLY difference for Public between a normal 12mth 3 Data Contract (on their Mobile Phone Network) and the NBS is offereing at no extra cost the Repeater (Useless) Or VSat (two way Satellite) to those in an NBS area that can't get 3G Mobile signal.

Who 3 actually uses isn't relevent as long as it works according to the NBS spec. They originally chose the cheapest vendor without considering delivery time of Hylass or existing capacity. They now have chosen the 2nd cheapest vendor. No surprise.

After all they want to spend as little as possible of the €78M NBS fee on Satellite.

Sponge Bob

Eutelsat has bugger all capacity until they launch Ka-Sat next year save perhaps some cheap capacity at the development slot they have on 7 East and anyway Ka Sat will not go into 7 east .

watty

There is basically no decent Irish Signal/Capacity till /if Ka Sat is successful in 2010. It will be 13E.
Hylass is very much lower capacity. Unlike Eutelsat's kasat, I don't think it has 2 x 4GHz of dedicated Irish Capacity (If Kasat has about 32Gbps in the rain (2x 16Gbps spots), shared across the country at 40:1 subscriber contention, this would allows about 43,000 x 3Mbps packages to be sold, or about 11,000 simultaneous 3Mbps downloads. Typical current Ku VSAT supplier has less than 1/1,000th of this capacity. Though it's unclear what the in Rain total bitrate on each spot will be.)

Sponge Bob

From what I can make out Ireland will only get one spot from Ka Sat

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8e/KA-SAT_spot_beams_coverage.jpg

Tooway seems to be a limited Ka service on Hotbird 6 which is all the Ka there is on 13east for the next year till Ka Sat launches .

The NBS is supposed to be complete by the time Ka Sat launches, note these Eutelsat comments.

http://www.eutelsat.com/news/compress/en/2009/pdf/PR%205409%20Tooway.pdf

Under the scheme,
Tooway’s™ satellite broadband service will be delivered to up to 5% of the 223,000
targeted buildings across rural Ireland. Those qualifying under the scheme will receive
Tooway’s™ 3.6 Mbps broadband service for €19.99 per month, following a one-off
€49.00 installation & hardware charge.

Allowing for a 50% takeup rate that would be 50% of 5% of 220k premises or 6000 subscribers on all of 4 Ka Band transponders .

Each transponder has max 100 mbits thruput meaning 400mbits of real capacity is split between 6000 customers for a contention rate of 15:1 ...and as the service is nominally 3.6mbits at 15:1 that translates into a 'real' speed of 240k or so .

Basically ****ing impossible More green party and VSAT provider snakeoil and ****e .

watty

Could be.

For the money a 100% non-satellite approach is possible. The NBS is a lie and a waste of €78M.

The rest of the money needed spent by 3 anyway to make their network licence compliant, or nearly so, depending on what coverage maps you believe.

rahtkennades

So if (according to their website) it costs €799 for installation, and NBS customers will only pay €49, and if it costs €29(min) p.m. for the BB service, while NBS customers only pay €19.99 p.m., does that mean that we will have to pay €750 per customer to Satellite Broadband Ireland, AND pay them a tenner a month indefinitely? Does anybody else think that might be a total waste of money?!:rolleyes:

watty

That's where the €78M for NBS goes, We always knew that from the start.

What happens at end of NBS? Or after a year though?

Sponge Bob

Doubt if the Eutelsat Ka Sat will be commissioned on the 31st december 2010 although it may be in orbit .