If we thought CAB was strict in Ireland, look whats instore for the UK.

Run_to_da_hills

Local councils in the UK are to get the power to seize the assets of minor offenders under government moves next week.

The Proceeds of Crime Act brought in to target organised criminals could be used against housing benefit fraudsters and other less serious offenders.

The measure, being pushed through by Alan Johnson, the Home Secretary, comes into force next week and will deploy some of the most draconian tools available to detectives against fare dodgers, families in arrears with council tax and other minor offenders.

We would be foooked if this ever happens in Ireland, Could you imaginre the TV license inspector kicking down your door at 2am. :eek:

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/law/article6892830.ece.

admiralofthefleet

the CAB are good, not bad. they put gilligan off the map

Draupnir

Who thought CAB were bad other than criminals?

Run_to_da_hills

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

the CAB are good, not bad. they put gilligan off the map

Rephrased strict.

jumpguy

What's wrong with CAB? "Oh no a drug dealer lost his Mercedes!"

Fair play I say. It'd probably be used as a last measure.

ANXIOUS

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Local councils in the UK are to get the power to seize the assets of minor offenders under government moves next week.

The Proceeds of Crime Act brought in to target organised criminals could be used against housing benefit fraudsters and other less serious offenders.

The measure, being pushed through by Alan Johnson, the Home Secretary, comes into force next week and will deploy some of the most draconian tools available to detectives against fare dodgers, families in arrears with council tax and other minor offenders.

We would be foooked if this ever happens in Ireland, Could you imaginre the TV license inspector kicking down your door at 2am. :eek:

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/law/article6892830.ece

Who thinks cab are bad? I think they are doing a great job, if anything that could be doing a better job. I really hate how you phrase your posts. You must live a sad sad life.

ANXIOUS

Now your after changing the title because your getting slated. You do nothing except scare monger.

CreepingDeath

In fact the Luas was a secret escape mono-rail system for the drug lords and nabbed by the CAB.

I heard a funny story on a podcast in the "conversations with Eamon Dunphy" series. Some famous poker player wasn't able to set up a bank account and put money into it cos the banks thought he was laundering money. So he rings up the "CAB" thinking it was the citizens advice bureau asking how he can set up a bank account to put a lot of unaccountable money into ! Talk about asking the wrong people.

G_R

CAB is the single best thing that an Irish Government has come up with in the last 30 years, why does every government idea have to be bad RTDH

sunnyjim

What do you expect from someone who hangs around mostly in the conspiracy theories forum?

Voltex

Cut the OP some slack lads....just poor phraseology.

I always thought we needed to give CAB a more menecing name..just to put the s*its up criminals..

I mean...the East Germans had the "Stasi"..the Soviets had the "KGB"...the Yanks have the "CIA" and the "NSA"..the Brits have "MI5" and "MI6"...what do we have????....an agency thats also shares a name with the common Taxi or Hackney!!

admiralofthefleet

dont they already have the assets recovery agency in th uk?

TheZohanS

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

We would be foooked if this ever happens in Ireland, Could you imaginre the TV license inspector kicking down your door at 2am. :eek:

No I couldn't.

Because I have a TV licence.

mikemac

One the few successes the Irish government have done in the last while was to setup CAB. Rurari Quinn and Nora Owen as Ministers for Finance and Justice were heavily involved I believe.

So successful that it's been copied by other countries.

RonMexico

I can't wait for these measures to come in here.

C.D.

It seems I'm not alone in wishing that some (most) of Run_to_da_Hill's posts had a "dislike" button, though if they did, we'd never hear the end of it in the consipiracy forum..

Voltex

RonMexico wrote: »

I can't wait for these measures to come in here.

Like the girl who was arrested and banged up for failure to pay Dog license?

ANXIOUS

Voltex wrote: »

Cut the OP some slack lads....just poor phraseology.!!

I'll let you away with that but you'll soon learn that you never give rtdh's any slack.

brummytom

RTDH, you say this like it's a bad thing.

Scum getting their (probably ill-gotten) posessions taken off them. It's all good

It could be used for minor offences, yes. But I'm sure in the ivast majority of cases it will be well deserved

Voltex

ANXIOUS wrote: »

I'll let you away with that but you'll soon learn that you never give rtdh's any slack.

Instead of letting me learn...why not just tell me?

Borneo Fnctn

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Local councils in the UK are to get the power to seize the assets of minor offenders under government moves next week.

The Proceeds of Crime Act brought in to target organised criminals could be used against housing benefit fraudsters and other less serious offenders.

The measure, being pushed through by Alan Johnson, the Home Secretary, comes into force next week and will deploy some of the most draconian tools available to detectives against fare dodgers, families in arrears with council tax and other minor offenders.

We would be foooked if this ever happens in Ireland, Could you imaginre the TV license inspector kicking down your door at 2am. :eek:

What this guy?

Run_to_da_hills

brummytom wrote: »

RTDH, you say this like it's a bad thing.

Scum getting their (probably ill-gotten) possessions taken off them. It's all good

It am saying its absolutely appalling.

The homeoffice is using an act which was originally meant for hardened criminals and now applying it to ordinary citizens for petty offenses such as minor tax evasion, fare dodging etc read the link.

Did you ever hear the expression, using a sledge hammer to break an egg?

Witcher

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

We would be foooked if this ever happens in Ireland, Could you imaginre the TV license inspector kicking down your door at 2am. :eek:

Haha, civil servants actually working..good joke:pac:

ANXIOUS

Voltex wrote: »

Instead of letting me learn...why not just tell me?

Ah I wouldn't want to rob the experience from you voltex. No one told me about him, it's like a rite of passage on boards. I can actually look at the boards home page and point out which threads have been started by him. He just comes across so miserable. Have a look through the conspiracy theory forum. The highlight of his life was the Lisbon referendum.

TheZohanS

ANXIOUS wrote: »

Ah I wouldn't want to rob the experience from you voltex. No one told me about him, it's like a rite of passage on boards. I can actually look at the boards home page and point out which threads have been started by him. He just comes across so miserable. Have a look through the conspiracy theory forum. The highlight of his life was the Lisbon referendum.

Quit your trolling.

We respect all posters here, it's their posts that we discuss and might have issues with.

Maverick88

Old news we've been using POCA for a year already in the Local Authority I work for.

Our first case we got back £60k from a Housing Benefit Fraudster

Gummy Panda

LOL UK

Who cares? (bar brummytom)

brummytom

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

It am saying its absolutely appalling.

The homeoffice is using an act which was originally meant for hardened criminals and now applying it to ordinary citizens for petty offenses such as minor tax evasion, fare dodging etc read the link.

Did you ever hear the expression, using a sledge hammer to break an egg?

I read the link, I still don't see the problem tbh. Law is law is law.

Tax evasion, benefit fraud - greedy, selfish crimes; no matter how minor they may be.
"We are determined to ensure criminals do not profit by breaking the law." Too bloody right. The amount of scroungers in this country conning innocent people out of their money is appalling. It's about time it's was clamped down on.

If that means seizing their possessions, so be it.

Guy:Incognito

Voltex wrote: »

Like the girl who was arrested and banged up for failure to pay Dog license?

No she wasnt. She was locked up for refuseing to pay a fine for not having a dog licence, then not turnign up for court dates and still not gettign a licence. If she had just got a licence and/or paid her fine then she wouldnt have gotten in trouble. She pretty much said "**** them" cos she figured she could ignore the courts and they'd eventually forget about her, good enough for her.

Theres far to many people takign the piss out of the legal system. Crackdowns are needed.

Run_to_da_hills

brummytom wrote: »

I read the link, I still don't see the problem tbh. Law is law is law.

Tax evasion, benefit fraud - greedy, selfish crimes; no matter how minor they may be.
"We are determined to ensure criminals do not profit by breaking the law." Too bloody right. The amount of scroungers in this country conning innocent people out of their money is appalling. It's about time it's was clamped down on. If that means seizing their possessions, so be it.

What classifies a criminal?

Individuals that go into debt because of loosing a job, they can no longer pay mortgages, credit card bills, TV licenses, dodge a dog or TV license, not pay a parking fine, so that they can put food on the table.

Karl Marx wrote, "the theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property."

Guy:Incognito

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

It am saying its absolutely appalling.

The homeoffice is using an act which was originally meant for hardened criminals and now applying it to ordinary citizens for petty offenses such as minor tax evasion, fare dodging etc read the link.

Did you ever hear the expression, using a sledge hammer to break an egg?

What about that other act you were up in arms about here a couple of months back that was also meant for hardened criminals that are in gangs with other hardened criminals? You said we'd all be in forced labour camps by now.

I'm still in my house btw, when am I going to be locked up by some random Gard that doesnt like the look of me?

CreepingDeath

Gummy Panda wrote: »

LOL UK

Who cares? (bar brummytom)

I think this is a BBC ratings ploy.
Road Wars and UK Border Force are very entertaining.
I bet they'll launch a TV series where they repossess the stuff... "chav wars".

Guy:Incognito

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

What classifies a criminal?

Individuals that go into debt arrears because of loosing a job, they can no longer pay mortgages, credit card bills, TV licenses, dodge a dog or TV license so that they can put food on the table.

Karl Marx wrote, "the theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property."

So anyone that falls on hard times should just be exempt from punishment over legal documents and loans they took out of their own free will?

Whats the point in the banks or companies providing services making people sign anything when they could just say " ah sure pay us if and when you might have a few quid, if you dont fancy payign us at all, dont worry about it"?

caseyann

What does all the money and properties seized by CAB go into anyhow?

I mean look how much they got off Gilligan and the horses and houses etc...

Run_to_da_hills

Stekelly wrote: »

So anyone that falls on hard times should just be exempt from punishment over legal documents and loans they took out of their own free will?

They should be given a certain amount of leniency and not put in the same category as hardened criminals as the article reads. Leaving your bin out on the wrong day is a punishable offense of up to £1000 in the UK today. So you are saying that it is correct that the state has the right to seize your possessions if you dispute this charge

Stekelly wrote: »

Whats the point in the banks or companies providing services making people sign anything when they could just say " ah sure pay us if and when you might have a few quid, if you don't fancy paying us at all, don't worry about it"?

I would hold Financial institutes and regulators equally responsible for many of the loan defaults of recent times, IE handing out 95% mortgage loans, not checking up on clients history etc.

Guy:Incognito

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I would hold Financial institutes and regulators equally responsible for many of the loan defaults of recent times, IE handing out 95% mortgage loans, not checking up on clients history etc.

Bull. If someone sells you a turd in a box , its not their fault for selling it, it's your s for buying it.

and what of the hysteria you attempted to whip up over the gang member laws? (I know it's slightly ot but it fits in with your general scaremongerign threads) . Where are the maraudign hoards of gaurds roundign up everyone for the slightest infraction and lockign them up without trial?

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

They should be given a certain amount of leniency and not put in the same category as hardened criminals as the article reads. Leaving your bin out on the wrong day is a punishable offense of up to £1000 in the UK today. So you are saying that it is correct that the state has the right to seize your possessions if you dispute this charge

People are not locked up for missing a loan payment. Stop tryign to make it sound like they are.

Run_to_da_hills

Stekelly wrote: »

I know it's slightly ot but it fits in with your general scaremongerign threads. .

Its very much OT, for this reason it is now a subject in the main stream media and other discussion forums.

Stekelly wrote: »

Where are the maraudign hoards of gaurds roundign up everyone for the slightest infraction and lockign them up without trial?.

This happened in Belfast on 9th August 1971 and yes innocent people have been locked up in the UK for the slightest infraction.

Stekelly wrote: »

People are not locked up for missing a loan payment. Stop trying to make it sound like they are.

People have jailed here for that. :rolleyes:

fergusman

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

People have jailed here for that. :rolleyes:

Do you even actually read your own references?

They were jailed for contempt of court - i.e. for not bloody turning up, not for being unable to repay the debt.
There is a massive difference between that and what youre saying.

humberklog

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Did you ever hear the expression, using a sledge hammer to break an egg?

I've never heard of that. Sledge hammer to crack a nut alright but not an egg.