Sky+ Box

mat9486

Hi,

Just wondering if anyone knew the best place to get a cheap sky+ box. Currently havd HD downstairs and just regular mulitroom upstairs now im spoilt and love the plaback and record funtion and would like this upstairs.

So i just rang sky and they want 250 euro for the box and install. The extra wire is already run and crimped (installer done this as he reckoned i would at some point want + upstairs) i told sky this and they didnt care and still wanted full wack.

Ive been looking on GeeBay and the prices seem ok but just not sure about the quality of hard drive etc...

Any adive would be welcomed.

Cheers
Mat

greendom

Try adverts.ie

http://www.adverts.ie/showcat.php?cat=all&stype=1&si=sky%2B

mickdw

Sky prices seem to be €149 for the sky+ box and €100 standard installation.
Is it possible to buy a new box off them for €149 without paying for install?

Wizard007

No Mickdw, impossible.

Wiggy

If you are out of contract, then threaten to cancel unless they give you a free SKY+ box. I would say that they will oblige.

If they don't, then go ahead and cancel, and get your missus to subscribe. She'll then get the free SKY+ box.

Wizard007

Encouraging someone to cancel and re-sign in a differant name is encouraging fraud. If you do go down this route be sure to do it with Sky Direct and not a local agent as Sky do not take this lightly and many agents in Ireland have already lost their ASA as a result of turning around customers in this manner.

As far as Sky are concerned your initial install was already subsidised on an offer. Also, they are trying to push HD, that's why it is so much cheaper to upgrade to HD ( as a swap out - 129, as an additional room - 89 )

gizmo555

Wizard007 wrote: »

Encouraging someone to cancel and re-sign in a differant name is encouraging fraud.

If I cancel my contract and enter into a new one under a false name that would be fraud.

What was suggested, however, is that the OP cancels his contract and his missus (could equally well be any other adult household member) takes out a new contract in her name. What's fraudulent about that?

Wizard007

As far as Sky are concerned it's the same thing.

I'm just giving the above advice to save a local agent getting his ar$e kicked by Sky.

gizmo555

Wizard007 wrote: »

As far as Sky are concerned it's the same thing.

I'm just giving the above advice to save a local agent getting his ar$e kicked by Sky.

I understand what you're saying, and it may be in breach of Sky's T&C's but calling it fraud is way overstating the case. Fraud is a criminal offence.

Even at that, it's not clear to me it would be in breach of the T&C's - here's what they say:

Sky+ box offer: Sky+ box is half price (€24.50) for new Sky digital subscribers. Only one €24.50 Sky+ box per new customer. Sky+ can store an average of 40 hours of programmes. Sky+ subscription required for Personal Video Recorder features (free for Sky TV customers, or €14.75 per month) and two satellite feeds. Offer ends 1 November 2009.

http://www.sky.com/portal/site/ireland/offers/tsandcs

The "missus" is a new customer and as such on the face of it is entitled to a €24.50 Sky+ box and the €40 standard installation.

I take your point about not dropping a local installer in it with Sky, but if the application is made directly to Sky, what's the problem?

von Smallhausen

As Wizard007 has already stated...they class it as such.

http://www.sky.com/portal/site/ireland/offers/tsandcs

Quote: . Limited to one per household. Not open to previous or existing subscribers. Box designs vary.

gizmo555

Danny_B wrote: »

As Wizard007 has already stated...they class it as such.

http://www.sky.com/portal/site/ireland/offers/tsandcs

Quote: . Limited to one per household. Not open to previous or existing subscribers. Box designs vary.

That quote relates to the free Sky box not to the half price Sky+ box. If you go through the online application process, it asks whether "you" have ever been a Sky subscriber - it does not ask whether any member of your household has been. My view would be if you go through the application, answer the questions asked and don't tell any lies, then if Sky accept the application there is no deception involved.

Wizard007

" I understand what you're saying, and it may be in breach of Sky's T&C's but calling it fraud is way overstating the case. Fraud is a criminal offence. "

Try sitting in a Sky Compliance meeting and telling them that fraud is overstating the case. Bottom line, they class it as fraud and they do actually actively follow it up.

As you quoted yourself - " Sky+ box offer: Sky+ box is half price (€24.50) for new Sky digital subscribers. Only one €24.50 Sky+ box per new customer. "

Wizard007

gizmo555 wrote: »

That quote relates to the free Sky box not to the half price Sky+ box. If you go through the online application process, it asks whether "you" have ever been a Sky subscriber - it does not ask whether any member of your household has been. My view would be if you go through the application, answer the questions asked and don't tell any lies, then if Sky accept the application there is no deception involved.

Then do it that way, no one is stopping you at all

All I am saying is do not take it to a local agent, they don't deserve the results of the deception.

von Smallhausen

gizmo555 wrote: »

That quote relates to the free Sky box not to the half price Sky+ box. If you go through the online application process, it asks whether "you" have ever been a Sky subscriber - it does not ask whether any member of your household has been. My view would be if you go through the application, answer the questions asked and don't tell any lies, then if Sky accept the application there is no deception involved.

That involves everything. Think its time to but this one to bed:D:D

gizmo555

Wizard007 wrote: »

Try sitting in a Sky Compliance meeting and telling them that fraud is overstating the case. Bottom line, they class it as fraud and they do actually actively follow it up.

Thankfully, it's the courts that get to decide whether a criminal offence such as fraud has been committed, not Sky Compliance meetings.

Wizard007 wrote: »

As you quoted yourself - " Sky+ box offer: Sky+ box is half price (€24.50) for new Sky digital subscribers. Only one €24.50 Sky+ box per new customer. "

The terms and conditions do not say anything about a new customer who happens to be in the same household as a previous customer being ineligible for a €24.50 Sky+ box. Nor, as I say, do they ask that question during the online application process, so there is no deception.. The reference to households is only in connection with standard Sky boxes. If Sky do interpret their terms and conditions as you say they do, then they need to rewrite them to make clear what they mean.

Personally, for a second room installation I got a Freesat box because I find Sky such a pain in the neck to deal with, it would gall me to give them any more money. If and when the Irish channels become available on satellite without a Sky sub, I'll immediately get rid of the Sky box I have for my main TV.

Wizard007

Fantastic. You do that.