Cost of a gas boiler

W.B. Yeats

Folks

Have a problem with the gas boiler.
Am at work and a gas fitter came around to say that the fan needs to be replaced ( likely cost around €500) but that the boiler is old and he may not be able to get a fan. He said to the missus that a boiler would cost around €2500.
I've no idea why but I had no idea that it would cost that much. I thought that it would be more around €1000
We live in a semi d and would just be running the central heating and hot water off it. I think we have about 8 rads (don't know does this make a difference?)
What's the typical cost of a gas boiler?

Thanks

MiniGolf

Supply and fit of a gas boiler and controls (Sei grant of €700 available!) will come in around the €2500 - €3000 mark.... depends on each individual job..... €500 for a fan sounds a bit steep.... do you have the make and model of the boiler??

W.B. Yeats

Had 2 guys out today pricing a new boiler
One lad came in at 1600 the other at 2500
How can there be that much of a difference?

The fella doing it for 1600 was saying that he'd put in a B rated boiler and not an A rated one as there are less things to go wrong on a B boiler.
Does this make sense?

MiniGolf

W.B. Yeats wrote: »

Had 2 guys out today pricing a new boiler
One lad came in at 1600 the other at 2500
How can there be that much of a difference?

The fella doing it for 1600 was saying that he'd put in a B rated boiler and not an A rated one as there are less things to go wrong on a B boiler.
Does this make sense?

Complete bulls**t :mad:

If they are trying to install a "B" rated boiler you will NOT be eligible for any grant from the SEI!!
(As an aside, why pay for a B rated boiler when an A rated is not much dearer??)
What make of boiler did both of them say they were going to install??

yoshytoshy

Try and get a worcester bosch boiler installed ,thats all I'm installing at the moment.(Haven't had any problems)
http://www.worcester-bosch.ie/homeowner/products/gas-boilers/greenstar-24i-system

Also make sure your heating system is Flushed out properly if your getting a new boiler.

W.B. Yeats

MiniGolf wrote: »

Supply and fit of a gas boiler and controls (Sei grant of €700 available!) will come in around the €2500 - €3000 mark.... depends on each individual job..... €500 for a fan sounds a bit steep.... do you have the make and model of the boiler??

Apollo 50S is the make of current boiler

W.B. Yeats

MiniGolf wrote: »

Complete bulls**t :mad:

If they are trying to install a "B" rated boiler you will NOT be eligible for any grant from the SEI!!
(As an aside, why pay for a B rated boiler when an A rated is not much dearer??)
What make of boiler did both of them say they were going to install??

I haven't got the name or spec of either boiler, will call tomorrow to get details. I'd be concerned that a boiler at 1600 is cheap and you get what you pay for. To be fair to the cheaper quoter he did explain that our piping to the gas connection would have to be upgraded to go for the "A" model. Currently we have a 1/2 inch connection but would need to change this to a 1 inch pipe. Hope that this makes sense....?
However on the other hand I don't want to overpay for something just because the other fitter is giving a high price

yoshytoshy

The myson apollo is an old boiler ,not very good either.
They usually have a high/low switch on the bottom right of the unit.:(
not worth fixing imo.

Joey the lips

Have the regs changed? I dont see why the op cannot take the less efficent boiler at half the price. An energy efficent condening boiler is only required on a new build. That was my understanding of the regs. So i would say buy the standard efficency boiler at half the price.

1000 for boiler and 500 for fitting.

There is a couple of makes. I found the Glowworm with its cast iron heat exchanger very cheap and very good for the bargin price. If you are friendly with a plumber s/he might still be able to get there hands on a standard system boiler. Giving the heating system a good flush before installing it will ensure the cheaper aluminium heat exchanger will not clogg.

I stand to be corrected on the regs but my feelings are if the boiler is still available who will know.

PM me if you want contacts for the supply of a standard efficency boiler...

ps: if you expect to get a boiler supplied and fitted for 1k I reckon its a min of 10 years since you priced a job. Board gais use to do them for 999 in 1998-1999

yoshytoshy

Joey ,if the house is going to be rented or the owner is expecting to move in a few years,then they are obliged to put in a high effeciency boiler.

At this stage ,its a bit of a waste putting in a sedbuk b. The right person could give the OP a good price ,for a condensing boiler.
Glowworm's current range of condensing boilers are as good as worcester. Their baffles are larger aswell ,so they can cope with systems that are in bad condition better.

W.B. Yeats

Joey the lips wrote: »

Have the regs changed? I dont see why the op cannot take the less efficent boiler at half the price. An energy efficent condening boiler is only required on a new build. That was my understanding of the regs. So i would say buy the standard efficency boiler at half the price.

1000 for boiler and 500 for fitting.

There is a couple of makes. I found the Glowworm with its cast iron heat exchanger very cheap and very good for the bargin price. If you are friendly with a plumber s/he might still be able to get there hands on a standard system boiler. Giving the heating system a good flush before installing it will ensure the cheaper aluminium heat exchanger will not clogg.

I stand to be corrected on the regs but my feelings are if the boiler is still available who will know.

PM me if you want contacts for the supply of a standard efficency boiler...

ps: if you expect to get a boiler supplied and fitted for 1k I reckon its a min of 10 years since you priced a job. Board gais use to do them for 999 in 1998-1999

As far as I know the less efficient boiler is also a "condensing boiler" but maybe I'm mistaken, I'm going to ring the fitter later on and will update then
I don't expect to get a boiler supplied and fitted for 1K it was just a number floating around in my head- I've probably watched too many fix up a house type programmes from the UK:P

I would prefer to fit a decent boiler as we could be in this house for a good few years yet given current property prices. Have a fellow from Gas Works coming out today so have primed the missus to ask and receive more information than yesterday!

Joey the lips

W.B. Yeats wrote: »

As far as I know the less efficient boiler is also a "condensing boiler" but maybe I'm mistaken, I'm going to ring the fitter later on and will update then
I don't expect to get a boiler supplied and fitted for 1K it was just a number floating around in my head- I've probably watched too many fix up a house type programmes from the UK:P

I would prefer to fit a decent boiler as we could be in this house for a good few years yet given current property prices. Have a fellow from Gas Works coming out today so have primed the missus to ask and receive more information than yesterday!

I doubt it. I would say its a combi boiler or a system boiler. All the boilers are decent tbh.Just different classes. The differece is neg. I dont think many will notice the differece between an A rated washing machine at 400 euro and a B rated washing machine at 200 Euro but that price differece will also mean you can buy a dishwasher to go with it.

In fact for a condensing boiler to truly work more efficently you would need bigger rads. If your old boiler is that old what ever boiler you get you will notice the difference.

W.B. Yeats

So spoke to the two guys at lunch time
The gas fitter quoting 1600: The boiler he would be fitting is a Vokera type model 25He. B rating. He would flush the system for me and put in an inhibitor.

The other guy is quoting 2550 for a Worcester Bosch Ri 15KW A rating. He would flush the system and put in an inhibitor as well.

There is a massive difference in price though.
Are the bosch really that good or another way of looking at it are the Vokera not really that good???

THe bosch guy was saying that in the long term the reliability of the bosch will save you money. ( he claimed the Vokera are put into to all the local authority houses by fitters because they know that they will break down and they will earn a fortune in servicing, repairs and call outs...)

Funny though neither want to get involved in SEI.....

Joey the lips

W.B. Yeats wrote: »

So spoke to the two guys at lunch time
The gas fitter quoting 1600: The boiler he would be fitting is a Vokera type model 25He. B rating. He would flush the system for me and put in an inhibitor.

The other guy is quoting 2550 for a Worcester Bosch Ri 15KW A rating. He would flush the system and put in an inhibitor as well.

There is a massive difference in price though.
Are the bosch really that good or another way of looking at it are the Vokera not really that good???

THe bosch guy was saying that in the long term the reliability of the bosch will save you money. ( he claimed the Vokera are put into to all the local authority houses by fitters because they know that they will break down and they will earn a fortune in servicing, repairs and call outs...)

Funny though neither want to get involved in SEI.....

rubbish on the vokera. it is a good boiler. The problem is vokera have lost its irish distribution operation and the lad that was there no 1 techanical and sales rep jumped ship. Personally if it were me I would go with the vokera if i got away with it

yoshytoshy

The price for the 15ri seems a little expensive.

Look around a little longer and you'll get the right man for the job.

Carpenter

W.B. Yeats wrote: »

Folks

Have a problem with the gas boiler.
Am at work and a gas fitter came around to say that the fan needs to be replaced ( likely cost around €500) but that the boiler is old and he may not be able to get a fan. He said to the missus that a boiler would cost around €2500.
I've no idea why but I had no idea that it would cost that much. I thought that it would be more around €1000
We live in a semi d and would just be running the central heating and hot water off it. I think we have about 8 rads (don't know does this make a difference?)
What's the typical cost of a gas boiler?

Thanks

Hi
I might have 1 that is 3 years old for sale if you are into it Pm me if you want

W.B. Yeats

So I'm now basically having to decide between
a Worcester Bosch for 2500 or a Baxi boiler for 1600

What standard are the Baxi boilers?
Are they decent middle of the road or are they cheap, dubious quality?

Joey the lips

W.B. Yeats wrote: »

So I'm now basically having to decide between
a Worcester Bosch for 2500 or a Baxi boiler for 1600

What standard are the Baxi boilers?
Are they decent middle of the road or are they cheap, dubious quality?

I have a baxi boiler along with 2/3rds of every house in dublin in the last 5-6 years. Baxi and potterton are the same group.

It will be down to the rateing. personally i would go with the baxi.

W.B. Yeats

So we went with a supplier and he installed a Worcester Bosch and all went well as it seemed at the time- last Friday
Since then however the sitting room rad has stopped heating up ( and I believe (can't swear 100%) that the heating is turning off by itself)
The supplier/fitter came back yesterday and said that there was air in the system and did something to release this. The rad heated up fine. Then later in the afternoon stopped heating up again.
He's back again today, saying that the system is working fine, the water is getting to the rad but that the rad needs to be replaced....:eek:
We never had a problem before with this rad ( bled it once a few years back) and there wasn't a problem in the old system.
I don't know what to believe and think that the fitter has made a mistake and doesn't want to admit to it
Any advice?

W.B. Yeats

So I'm back again

Guy came yesterday and fiddled around changing balance of where/how the water flows or something to the rads from upstairs to downstairs
All fine, all rads working well

Then today the mixer tap in the kitchen sink beside the boiler stops working properly. Hot water fine no cold water coming out. Cold water is fine in other sinks....
Is this related to the gas boiler or is it just a coincidence?

You may find the other cold taps come off your tank in the loft and the kitchen tap is mains fed, if so they may have isolated the mains feed to the cold tap, there should be nothing between the kitchen tap and mains stopcock other than a isolation valve near to the tap, try following the cold pipework under the sink to see if you have a isolation valve, in saying all that it could just be a coincidence:D, Gary.

W.B. Yeats

gary71 wrote: »

You may find the other cold taps come off your tank in the loft and the kitchen tap is mains fed, if so they may have isolated the mains feed to the cold tap, there should be nothing between the kitchen tap and mains stopcock other than a isolation valve near to the tap, try following the cold pipework under the sink to see if you have a isolation valve, in saying all that it could just be a coincidence:D, Gary.

Gary

Coincidence it seems to have been
Rang the council and the mains water was off
I'm glad I didn't ring the fitter and give him an earful!

W.B. Yeats

So this is like a bloody litany of woe

Now we have a leak coming from the new boiler and no hot water.....
WTF is going on?:(

Micky Dolenz

W.B. Yeats wrote: »

So this is like a bloody litany of woe

Now we have a leak coming from the new boiler and no hot water.....
WTF is going on?:(

Where is the leak on boiler? You have water from the hot tap, but is isn't hot?

Go to your cylinder. you will see two pipes that enter into the side of it, on the bottom pipe you will see a red handled wheel valve, turn this on, screw anti clockwise.

W.B. Yeats

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Where is the leak on boiler? You have water from the hot tap, but is isn't hot?

Go to your cylinder. you will see two pipes that enter into the side of it, on the bottom pipe you will see a red handled wheel valve, turn this on, screw anti clockwise.

So the hot water issue is sorted at the moment- (there was water coming out but it was only very mildly warm)

The leak we have is coming from a pipe just above where the new boiler is fitted, seems like this is a major coincidence....

DS Plumbing

I'm sure I dont have to tell you but next time take your time and make sure you have the right man for the job,

David @ DS Plumbing & Heating

steamengine

W.B. Yeats wrote: »

Folks

Have a problem with the gas boiler.
Am at work and a gas fitter came around to say that the fan needs to be replaced ( likely cost around €500) but that the boiler is old and he may not be able to get a fan. He said to the missus that a boiler would cost around €2500.
I've no idea why but I had no idea that it would cost that much. I thought that it would be more around €1000
We live in a semi d and would just be running the central heating and hot water off it. I think we have about 8 rads (don't know does this make a difference?)
What's the typical cost of a gas boiler?

Thanks

I have read through this thread with interest, but not surprise. First off a functional boiler was scrapped because of either "no available fan" or the price of the fan was "off the wall", - 500 Euro. There is a current trend for domestic appliance spare parts to be expensive, but even allowing for fitting, this quote is outrageous.

Secondly, I would like to know why the condensing function of newer boilers seems to approximately add 1000 euro to the price?

From reading this thread it seems that at least three separate quotes would be essential, and also check the cost price of boiler or spare part independently. That way the customer can see that he or she is getting value for money.

A competent installer should also ensure that the boiler is commissioned properly. Rectifying a leak appearing close to the installation soon after the boiler is fired up is part of commissioning, also venting rads. In short leave your heating system the way it was before the install.

W.B. Yeats

steamengine wrote: »

I have read through this thread with interest, but not surprise. First off a functional boiler was scrapped because of either "no available fan" or the price of the fan was "off the wall", - 500 Euro. There is a current trend for domestic appliance spare parts to be expensive, but even allowing for fitting, this quote is outrageous.

Secondly, I would like to know why the condensing function of newer boilers seems to approximately add 1000 euro to the price?

From reading this thread it seems that at least three separate quotes would be essential, and also check the cost price of boiler or spare part independently. That way the customer can see that he or she is getting value for money.

A competent installer should also ensure that the boiler is commissioned properly. Rectifying a leak appearing close to the installation soon after the boiler is fired up is part of commissioning, also venting rads. In short leave your heating system the way it was before the install.

This was a sore experience for me, believe me.
I had a very large debate with the installer over the subsequent repair and didn't succeed in not having to pay for it.
What surprised me was that the installer essentially has removed his company for my plans when annual servicing comes around. Pennywise and pound foolish
INformation is the key to these transactions, enough of it and your not left there bending over

GopErthike

steamengine wrote: »

I have read through this thread with interest, but not surprise. First off a functional boiler was scrapped because of either "no available fan" or the price of the fan was "off the wall", - 500 Euro. There is a current trend for domestic appliance spare parts to be expensive, but even allowing for fitting, this quote is outrageous.

Secondly, I would like to know why the condensing function of newer boilers seems to approximately add 1000 euro to the price?

From reading this thread it seems that at least three separate quotes would be essential, and also check the cost price of boiler or spare part independently. That way the customer can see that he or she is getting value for money.

A competent installer should also ensure that the boiler is commissioned properly. Rectifying a leak appearing close to the installation soon after the boiler is fired up is part of commissioning, also venting rads. In short leave your heating system the way it was before the install.

Agreed, The cost of spare parts for any gas boiler over 10 years old can be ridculous, but sometimes it makes more sense to fit a new boiler rather than spend 400 to 500 just to keep an old in-efficient boiler going.
I dont think condensing adds €1000 to the price, every house is different you need to compare like with like.
I agree with the last two paragraphs, people need to be careful who they get, I would always go with someone who is recommended to me, not necessarily the cheapest price. But you usually get what you pay for.

steamengine

W.B. Yeats wrote: »

This was a sore experience for me, believe me.
I had a very large debate with the installer over the subsequent repair and didn't succeed in not having to pay for it.
What surprised me was that the installer essentially has removed his company for my plans when annual servicing comes around. Pennywise and pound foolish
INformation is the key to these transactions, enough of it and your not left there bending over

I understand the experience, unfortunately there are operators out there who are all too ready to take unfair advantage.

One positive you can take out of the experience is that the installer doesn't want to do the annual service.

W.B. Yeats

GopErthike wrote: »

Agreed, The cost of spare parts for any gas boiler over 10 years old can be ridculous, but sometimes it makes more sense to fit a new boiler rather than spend 400 to 500 just to keep an old in-efficient boiler going.
I dont think condensing adds €1000 to the price, every house is different you need to compare like with like.
I agree with the last two paragraphs, people need to be careful who they get, I would always go with someone who is recommended to me, not necessarily the cheapest price. But you usually get what you pay for.

The guy I went with was the second most expensive
Was very professional in quoting for the business, gave me a print out of the work to be done. His guys turned up and were on time.
The fact that they had to come back twice to redistribute water flow and then to fix the "leak" that had nothing to do with their work is the part that makes the experience very unsatisfactory

steamengine

W.B. Yeats wrote: »

The guy I went with was the second most expensive
Was very professional in quoting for the business, gave me a print out of the work to be done. His guys turned up and were on time.
The fact that they had to come back twice to redistribute water flow and then to fix the "leak" that had nothing to do with their work is the part that makes the experience very unsatisfactory

Well as you mentioned in your previous post (please correct me if I'm wrong), you had to pay for this work on top of what I would consider is a generous quote. Certainly that quote should have covered the commissioning of the boiler, and any minor repair, venting and adjustments.

A replacement boiler does not involve the same amount of work as an initial install, all major plumbing, electrics are already there plus the exhaust duct to the outside.

A competent installer should ensure that you as the customer should only have to switch on the boiler and all should work ok !