can the traffic corps not do this ?

robbie_998

i really dont see the harm.

currently what the gardi do is mainly pull drivers for breaking a law that is fairly obvious. The Gardi now have computers in their cars (like you see on Road Wars) that say if the car is stolen, no insurance, tax and so on. With the computers all can look well on a car and the registered owner but that does not go for the person driving the car who may or may not have a license or insurance.

can the gardi not do more random checks on any random person driving down the road ?

ok fair enough they have check points but they are mainly used for breath tests and most times do not check these kind of things or other check points they check for the 2/3 discs in the window but again do not ask questions or ask for a license (except in the extreme cases.)

can we have more random checks ?

Wishbone Ash

robbie_998 wrote: »

the gardi do is mainly pull drivers for speeding or breaking a law

I would have thought that exceeding the posted speed limit was breaking the law!

cson

robbie_998 wrote: »

but that does not go for the person driving the car who may or may not have a license or insurance.

Ergo, penalty points for the former and a pretty serious court case for the latter.

Marlow

I've often enough been asked for license in a checkpoint, where either breathalizing or tax/insurance check was done.

Also, a lot of Gardai want to see the insurance papers or ask you to produce them at a garda station within 10 days.

However, if it's a busy national road, they aren't that thorough, so that they don't build up a huge backlog of traffic.

I guess it's also down to what county / area you are in.

/M

FruitLover

Let me get this straight - you actually want random stops and checks?

What's next, random drug searches for people walking down the street?

robbie_998

FruitLover wrote: »

Let me get this straight - you actually want random stops and checks?

What's next, random drug searches for people walking down the street?

Yes.

unless your hiding something there ?

what's that you got there in your pocket ?? :pac:

DubTony

Why on earth would you want more random checks on the road? Why do you care if a guys car is taxed or not? Or the driver isn't the owner?

Heroditas

FruitLover wrote: »

What's next, random drug searches for people walking down the street?

Wasn't that passed into law back in the 90s here before being rescinded?

robbie_998

DubTony wrote: »

Why on earth would you want more random checks on the road? Why do you care if a guys car is taxed or not? Or the driver isn't the owner?

again what are you hiding ?

and fair enough but i'll be the one laughing when you get hit by an uninsured driver :cool:

DubTony

robbie_998 wrote: »

again what are you hiding ?

and fair enough but i'll be the one laughing when you get hit by an uninsured driver :cool:

I've nothing to hide, but I'd sure like to be able to get home in reasonable time without being pulled over because some guy didn't like the way I look.

And it's good to know that you're entertained by someone being hit by an uninsured driver. If you think that people who habitually break the law are bothered by more check points, you're living in cloud cuckoo land.

robbie_998

DubTony wrote: »

I've nothing to hide, but I'd sure like to be able to get home in reasonable time without being pulled over because some guy didn't like the way I look.

And it's good to know that you're entertained by someone being hit by an uninsured driver. If you think that people who habitually break the law are bothered by more check points, you're living in cloud cuckoo land.

well if there were more gardi doing random checks then there wouldn't be uninsured drivers on the road in the first place. simple as that.

leeroybrown

I'm sure that they could do lots more random checks but I'd guess that Garda HQ haven't told them to do so as it would soak up a lot of resources on the roadside and also back at the station.

DubTony

robbie_998 wrote: »

well if there were more gardi doing random checks then there wouldn't be uninsured drivers on the road in the first place. simple as that.

/shakes head in disbelief.

dahamsta

'I've Got Nothing to Hide' and Other Misunderstandings of Privacy

derry

On your bike
If you want more garda check points why dont you join PD McDowels part time gesapo who prowl around in thier off time with Garda badges harrasing the joe soap public.
Better still apply to be a full time cop and spend hours per day setting up check points and nabbing all these army of uninsured drivers .

I think after the 10,000 cars you check only having nabbed a couple of these wayward drivers you will do what most intelegent garda do figure there must be a better way to shovel the **** which keeps coming every day always the same **** just a diffent day and settle into the check points every few months and go chase bad guys the rest of the time.

Like me I dont drink at all so its brain dead stupid I go along the road and there is a drink drive check point .I blow the bag along with thousands of other drivers and best I can see some 99.9% pass the test wasting thousands of breathaliser bags.
I figure most good cops can spot a weaving down the road side to side driver pull him and get him to blow the bag and get a better hit rate save thousands of breatherliser bags and save the tax payers a fortune in these costly bags


So go take a hike

Derry

donvito99

DubTony wrote: »

Why on earth would you want more random checks on the road? Why do you care if a guys car is taxed or not? Or the driver isn't the owner?

Well, if your car was stolen, would you like the Gardaí to have more random checks on the road?

Theres a reason that theres road tax, its the Law! I don't blame 'em for caring if someones car is taxed or not.

Or the driver isn't the owner?

Are you serious! Are you encouraging Gardaí and members of the public alike to turn a blind eye to vehicles being stolen?

Henry Ford III

derry wrote: »

On your bike
If you want more garda check points why dont you join PD McDowels part time gesapo who prowl around in thier off time with Garda badges harrasing the joe soap public.
Better still apply to be a full time cop and spend hours per day setting up check points and nabbing all these army of uninsured drivers .

I think after the 10,000 cars you check only having nabbed a couple of these wayward drivers you will do what most intelegent garda do figure there must be a better way to shovel the **** which keeps coming every day always the same **** just a diffent day and settle into the check points every few months and go chase bad guys the rest of the time.

Like me I dont drink at all so its brain dead stupid I go along the road and there is a drink drive check point .I blow the bag along with thousands of other drivers and best I can see some 99.9% pass the test wasting thousands of breathaliser bags.
I figure most good cops can spot a weaving down the road side to side driver pull him and get him to blow the bag and get a better hit rate save thousands of breatherliser bags and save the tax payers a fortune in these costly bags


So go take a hike

Derry

You can be a dangerous driver whilst sober too.

Whitewater-AGS

We already do have this power!
Unlike in america Gardai dont need a reason to stop a car or probable cause as the yanks call it. We can stop any vehicle in a public place under section 109 of the RTA 1961.

Theanswers

Why does it matter if the driver is the owner of the car? As long as one is insured....

donvito99

Theanswers wrote: »

Why does it matter if the driver is the owner of the car? As long as one is insured....

How can you be insured for a car if you're not the owner though?

donvito99

donvito99 wrote: »

How can you be insured for a car if you're not the owner though?

Named driver on someone elses insurance/ driving someone elses car with their consent and insured under the driving other cars rule on your own insurance or a company car etc

I hate checkpoints and certainly would not like to see more of them.

MagicMarker

Plenty of insurers provide open policies which mean you can drive other cars.

cashmni1

Sorry but more checkpoints is just a retarded idea.

Its bad enough with what we have.

Nanny state. I wonder just how much more we are expected to take.
BTW, I do not have to explain my views or reasons why either.

Stainless_Steel

cashmni1 wrote: »

Nanny state. I wonder just how much more we are expected to take.
BTW, I do not have to explain my views or reasons why either.

+ 1

Random checks infringe your liberties and rights as it is...and the OP wants more of them

donvito99

cashmni1 wrote: »

BTW, I do not have to explain my views or reasons why either.

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Seth Brundle

derry wrote: »

On your bike
If you want more garda check points why dont you join PD McDowels part time gesapo who prowl around in thier off time with Garda badges harrasing the joe soap public.

I've been stopped a number of times at these checkpoints and never once harassed. What do you say to them that makes you feel that you are being harassed?
I know a good few members of the force and strangely none of them have ever discussed the pleasures of harassing people (drivers or otherwise). I must ask them if they aren't satisfied with their job.

Stainless_Steel wrote: »

Random checks infringe your liberties and rights as it is...and the OP wants more of them

Your l;iberties are what the law gives you. if the law says that any driver can be stopped at a random checkpoint then a liberty hasn't been taken away!
If you disagree with the current laws, what have you said to your TDs?

dahamsta

That's a very peculiar definition of liberty kbannon!

Seth Brundle

Is it wrong?

dahamsta

Well, if a law was enacted tomorrow criminalising BMW owners for some bizarre reason - emissions, let's say - would that not be an infringement of your liberties? Obviously that's an unlikely example, but it's in the spirit of the forum, and your definition.

More realistically, Mugabe's regime does everything by the book - his book, obviously - is he not infringing on liberties? How about China? North Korea?

adam

Turner

Very Very Very Very rough figures here below, but i think the gardai do enough checks as it is.



Any good Garda will check 10 cars in a shift if on patrol. Pulling over same for a chat.

3 shifts of 3,500 gardai a day =10500 gardai working a day.

Checking 10 cars = 105000 car checks per day.

Multiplied by 365 days = 383,250,000 vehicle checks a year.

Not to mention ANPR checks probably 1000 per car per shift = 3000 checks per car per day * 50 cars = 150,000 anpr checks a day * 365 days = 54,750,000 anpr checks per year.

Not to mention all the other checks gardai do every day...

Person checks

Warrant checks

Previous conviction checks.

Licence checks


I think they do enough checks as it is!!!

Seth Brundle

Fair enough, my definition was not 'accurate' but my point was intended to show that the enforcement of an existing law will not infringe on ones civil liberties - it may not be fair or pleasant however.
However, defining civil liberties (which is outside of the scope of a motors forum) is realistically what a government allows its citizens to do. the manner in which these are defined and enforced is where it becomes grey.

askoxford:

civil liberty
noun 1 freedom of action and speech subject to laws established for the good of the community. 2 (civil liberties) one’s rights to this.

dahamsta

The OP wasn't talking about extension though kbannon, he was talking about the original implementaion of random checks:

Stainless_Steel wrote:

Random checks infringe your liberties and rights as it is.

Sorry, I know I'm being pedantic, but, well, that's what he said.

FruitLover

robbie_998 wrote: »

Yes.

unless your hiding something there ?

Mate, I recommend reading George Orwell's 1984 so you can see what's wrong with this train of thought...

Having something to 'hide' isn't the issue. Privacy is a basic human right, and one which is already being eroded every day. Don't you like living in a free country?

kbannon wrote: »

Your l;iberties are what the law gives you

:eek:

IMO, the purpose of the law is to protect the public, not to control it. The way you phrased the above, it makes you sound like you're happy enough to be nannied!