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What to look for in JKD Instruction

  • 23-10-2009 3:15pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 346 ✭✭


    What Should I Look for in an Instructor?



    It can be difficult to find a jeet kune do instructor and when one does, how do they know they have found a good instructor? After all, the jeet kune do world has been confused by people wanting to cash in on Bruce Lee’s name, debates over concepts vs original jkd, and questions about whether jeet kune do is even an art at all or whether it is really just MMA with a helping handful of philosophy. Because of the confusion, it has been difficult to put together a list of instructors that meet all the necessary criteria especially when there is such a debate over what that criteria is. We at the Bruce Lee Foundation are working to bring clarity to these issues over time but in the meantime, we have provided some guidelines for those of you seeking jkd instruction so that you may be able to discern for yourselves whether or not an instructor you have found is a good fit for you and for what you want out of jeet kune do.

    This discussion on what makes a good instructor does not include a list of core techniques. We suggest that to be sure you are getting the best technical instruction you can, you purchase and refer to the books written by Bruce Lee or derived directly from his writings from our reading list to best discern for yourself if your instructor seems to know the basics. Also, the BLF will be putting together a core curriculum Manual for publication next year, so please check back for information about that.

    We feel that there are several different types of qualities that a jkd instructor should possess. The first are Technical/Physical qualities. These qualities relate to the skill level of the instructor.

    Technical/Physical Qualities

    - Lineage
    Does your instructor have a direct lineage to a first generation instructor of jkd? In other words, did he ever study for a good length of time with one or more original students of Bruce Lee or one of the direct second generation students? This is important because this is one way to be sure that the instructor you are studying with has some basis for his knowledge other than books and movies. In fact, if all you are learning is moves from films of Bruce Lee, then you should have some concern as the moves performed by Bruce Lee in his films were mostly for entertainment purposes only and not relevant to actual combat or jkd. Also, there could be concern if all your instructor has to show for his jkd training is seminar participation certificates. Most seminars are one or two days long and not truly sufficient for attaining a level of mastery or instructor certification. An instructor should have trained directly for a significant amount of time with an instructor of direct lineage to attain certification.

    - Core Techniques
    Does your instructor seem to have a firm grasp and a skilled expression of the basic techniques of jkd? One way you can discern this, as discussed above, is to look through the books on the reading list on this site. Does he seem to know what he is talking about? Do his techniques work? Do they have solid scientific and physical backing that can be demonstrated to you?

    - Philosophical Content
    Does your instructor know the basic philosophical tenets of Bruce Lee and can he explain them clearly and well? Can he relate these philosophies directly to the physical techniques?

    - Physical Fitness
    Does your instructor have a relative level of physical fitness? Can he perform the moves accurately and well? If he cannot (because he is older or not in as good shape as he used to be), does he have an assistant who can and who does? (Note: Many of the original students of jeet kune do are older now but it does not make their knowledge or instruction any less valuable. Through the use of assistants, the technique can still be imparted clearly.)

    Next are Structural qualities. These are qualities that relate directly to the instructors’ school, organizational structure, certification process, etc.

    Structural Qualities

    - Teaching Materials
    Does your teacher have a methodology for imparting his teachings? Do the lessons build on one another? Does the teacher make sure that you have a certain mastery of the material before moving on to something new? Does the instructor quote directly from Bruce Lee in his teaching? (This is important if the student is to be sure they are getting enough philosophy mixed in with their physical technique.) [See below for a discussion about JKD vs MMA.]

    - Certification
    How long does it take to move through the levels the instructor has set up and how long does it take to become a certified instructor? This is, of course, subjective on the part of the instructor; however, you should not be able to receive an instructor certification in a weekend, a week, a month, or perhaps even a year. If your instructor has care about what he is passing on, he or she will want to be sure that you have a solid grasp and are able to perform in combat with a level of calm confidence so that the weapons you possess are at your disposal when you call on them. There should not be a direct correlation to the amount of money you spend and the amount of time it takes to move through the levels and/or receive your certification rather, certification should be based on the mastery of skill, confidence and comprehension.

    - Individual Attention
    Bruce Lee believed that class sizes should not be too large (another reason why seminars are not the best learning environments) and that individualized attention should be given to each student during the lesson or in additional private lessons for the student to really benefit and grow. Does your instructor give individual feedback during lessons and/or will he/she set time aside to work privately with you from time to time?

    - Transparency
    Is your instructor transparent about his lineage and training? Is he clear about what he calls jkd as having originated from Bruce Lee and jkd as having originated from himself or others? Is your instructor open to questions about his background and or teaching materials? Is there a sense of accountability, good communication, fairness and respect within the school?

    - Ethics
    Does your instructor put down other instructors and their methods in their classes, in their written materials or on their website? Does your instructor believe in an exclusionary policy rather than an inclusionary policy when it comes to the jeet kune do family? Does your instructor foster bad feelings in his students about other practitioners and ask his students to participate in negative campaigns against other instructors? The BLF believes that negative behaviors such as these only serve to rip apart our community and create a negative personal practice and attitude for the people involved.


    The last are personal qualities. These relate to the instructor himself – his attitude and self expression.

    Personal Qualities:

    - Representation of the Spirit of Bruce Lee (his methods and his practice)
    It is hard to precisely describe what the spirit or essence of Bruce Lee is. In fact, it is many faceted and includes physical, mental, philosophical, and spiritual aspects, some of which have already been touched on above. But, when trying to have an understanding of what we mean when we say the spirit of Bruce Lee, think about these questions: does your instructor have a passion for teaching that involves active learning that never ceases? Does your instructor practice what he preaches? In other words, does your instructor merely recite the teachings of Bruce Lee or does he practice them in his own life? Does your instructor seem to exhibit a true love and passion for the martial arts? These notions coupled with the other qualities discussed throughout this section will help you to discern for yourself if your instructor seems to embody the spirit of Bruce Lee.

    - Humility
    Does your instructor display a certain amount of humility or does he display a fair amount of ego and self-importance? (remembering that confidence and arrogance are two different things) Does your instructor foster idolatry of himself or his methods and foster negative attitudes about others?

    - Adaptability
    Is your instructor rigid like a board or is he pliable like bamboo? Can the instructor adapt to the needs and strengths of his individual students? Does the instructor have the ability to deconstruct, test and apply thoughtfulness to his teachings? Does the instructor have an open mind?

    - Loyalty, Sincerity, Honesty
    Is the instructor changing his position and his point of view to keep up with new trends in martial arts? Is he respectful of his seniors in the arts? Does he answer questions honestly and openly, saying “I don’t know” when he doesn’t know something? Is your instructor sincerely trying to help you better yourself as an individual?

    - Attitude
    Does your instructor have a good attitude? Does your instructor foster a positive attitude among his students and classes? Is your instructor encouraging and optimistic while challenging you to be your best?

    - Continuous State of Learning
    Is your instructor himself a student of the arts? Does he seem to dig deeper with time in terms of his understanding of the art? Does he continuously strive for and attain simplicity?

    - Communication Skills
    Does your instructor communicate clearly? Do you understand the lessons and what is being asked of you as a student? Do his lessons make sense?

    JKD vs MMA

    We at the BLF wanted to take a moment to have a discussion about jeet kune do and whether or not it is the same thing as MMA. It is important to discuss this here because jeet kune do is often described as a mixture of several different arts, much like the contemporary MMA. It is the belief at the Bruce Lee Foundation that Jeet Kune Do is NOT MMA. However, we also believe that while JKD is not MMA, Bruce Lee IS the catalyst for MMA. Bruce Lee has often been described as the godfather of MMA. We support this opinion as it was Bruce Lee’s departure from the classical and traditional arts and his promotion of the complete fighter more than 35 years ago that was the impetus for movements such as MMA.

    So why then is JKD not MMA? When someone speaks about an MMA fighter, they refer to what arts he/she has in his arsenal, such as kickboxing, jiu jitsu, muy thai, etc. But to us, JKD is its own art. Therefore, one could conceivably be an MMA fighter whose arsenal includes JKD training.

    Further, although JKD is often described as an amalgamation of several different arts, this is also untrue. There is a lot of confusion about what JKD is because Bruce Lee was himself a student of the arts. He looked at, studied and exchanged information about various arts. His library contained volumes of books on many different arts and he had a great appreciation for many martial arts generally and historically. But JKD is not made up of the best ingredients from 26 different arts. In fact, JKD as an art consists of a very small arsenal of weapons and prides itself on simplicity and economy of motion. If we look at the most direct influences on JKD, we see the influence of boxing, fencing, and wing chun. But JKD certainly cannot be called boxing. And it most definitely cannot be called fencing. Nor can it be called wing chun. So at what point does a thing become different enough that it becomes it’s own thing? If we put flour, water and eggs into a bowl while making a cake, can we also call the finished product pasta? Simply, no. JKD has its own core techniques and its own philosophical base that is different from any other art out there.

    Further confusion comes in because the philosophy can be applied very liberally - to many different arts or to life in general. This has lead to the notion that JKD is really just a philosophy that if applied properly can enhance any action you may choose to undertake, whether it is tae kwan do or fishing. But, this line of thinking discards entirely the core physical techniques that Bruce Lee himself developed and tested.

    There is also a belief that Bruce Lee would have changed his JKD if he had lived to see movements such as the UFC and that he himself promoted exploration and evaluation and throwing out what is useless and adding/keeping what is useful. There is some truth in these statements but they must be properly evaluated.

    Bruce Lee was brilliant and relentless and the master of his domain. He was passionate about the arts and about teaching. He definitely died in the midst of his process (but that can be said of anyone I suppose). He most definitely might have made changes to JKD had he lived but it is our belief that only he could have made those changes. Too often, people make assumptions and make changes to JKD without really having a true and real understanding of the art or its founder. This has lead to the ongoing debates about JKD and what it is by those who have decided that they know best what Bruce Lee wanted. We don’t take this position at the BLF, which is why we provide a historical snapshot of JKD, which also includes guide posts to follow as you mature to a level where you can begin to make JKD your own. But, too often, people diverge from Bruce Lee’s JKD but continue to call it “Bruce Lee’s JKD” which only adds to the confusion. So, yes, there was a certain amount of individuality and personal exploration promoted by Bruce Lee in JKD but it was within the framework of the foundation he had already himself laid down. Anything that diverges too abruptly from that path (such as, teaching other arts and labeling it JKD, or altering the basic stance and front lead, or adding weapons training into JKD, etc) should be classified as someone else’s take on JKD and not ascribed to Bruce Lee. To think we know best what Bruce Lee wanted or who Bruce Lee is is pure hubris. Rather if we come up with our own innovations, we should stand proudly by those and label them with our own name, but keep Bruce Lee’s JKD pure.

    The Manual that the BLF is putting together will further delve into these issues so keep an eye out for that publication but we hope that this discussion has been helpful in your understanding of JKD and how to choose an instructor.

    In the spirit of jeet kune do


    © Bruce Lee Foundation 2009









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Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 346 ✭✭Martin25


    Guys
    I thought that there would be interest in this information from the Bruce Lee Foundation.
    all the best
    Martin


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    You don't need an instructor to study JKD, you need a book. It is a philosophy and not a martial art. Infact, you don't even need a book - Bruce summed it up in one sentence.
    "Absorb what is useful, reject what is useless"

    I find mixed martial arts to be the true embodiment of JKD today. It is a constant evolution and that is IMO what Bruce's vision for JKD was.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 346 ✭✭Martin25


    Hi there
    You are welcome to your point of view but I would politely disagree with your assertion.Please read the post and think about it for a while.
    All the best in your training.
    Martin


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    Martin25 wrote: »
    You are welcome to your point of view but I would politely disagree with your assertion.

    It's not an assertion. It is the words of Bruce Lee.

    I have not invented a "new style," composite, modified or otherwise that is set within distinct form as apart from "this" method or "that" method. On the contrary, I hope to free my followers from clinging to styles, patterns, or molds. Remember that Jeet Kune Do is merely a name used, a mirror in which to see "ourselves". . . Jeet Kune Do is not an organized institution that one can be a member of. Either you understand or you don't, and that is that.

    My point still stands. JKD is not a style, it is a philosophy. It embodies not sticking to one style, but rather exploring for what works for you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 346 ✭✭Martin25


    Regarding the the quote "Absorb what is useful reject what is useless and add what is specifically your own"
    John Little had access to all Bruce Lee's writings and he never found this quote.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 346 ✭✭Martin25


    Sorry, I don't know your name.
    You are correct that JKD is not a style.
    It's a martial art,a training method and a philosophy as well.
    Please read the post especially where it refers to MMA.
    all the best
    Martin


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    Martin25 wrote: »
    Regarding the the quote "Absorb what is useful reject what is useless and add what is specifically your own"
    John Little had access to all Bruce Lee's writings and he never found this quote.

    Martin, there is overwhelming evidence to show what Bruce Lee thought Jeet Kune Do to be.

    The Tao Of Jeet Kune Do states:

    "If people say Jeet Kune Do is different from "this" or from "that," then let the name of Jeet Kune Do be wiped out, for that is what it is, just a name. Please don't fuss over it."

    Bruce explains it further in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXOtmhA6Nvw

    "I do not believe in styles anymore."

    I still stand by my statement, it is a philosophy. I don't believe you can teach someone JKD - Bruce stated that you either get it, or you don't. It's just a philosophy to find out what works, and to use it. MMA is surely the modern vision of JKD, and it's still evolving. We see fighters like Lyoto Machida shaking up the common consensus for what the best stand-up form is. It is constantly evolving, and that is what Bruce wanted in my opinion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 346 ✭✭Martin25


    Sifu Cass Magda, a famous JKD Instructor was in Dublin last week.
    Cass is a Master of Pentjak Silat and Kali but teaches these arts seperately from JKD.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 346 ✭✭Martin25


    Please see Bruce Lee's "Commentaries on the Martial Way" pages 309-325,
    this has Bruce Lee's lesson plan for teaching JKD, a basic class.
    The basis of the art can be taught.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 346 ✭✭Martin25


    With respect,the idea that a person can learn JKD from a book or by watching Bruce Lee movies is quite absurd. To then state that that a person does not even need a book, i'm afraid does not make any sense.
    I find it interesting that my Instructors have been merely teaching me JKD "philosophy" for 22 years, when I thought that I was learning martial art.

    All I can say is please read the post from the Bruce Lee Foundation.
    best wishes
    Martin ONeill


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    Martin25 wrote: »
    With respect,the idea that a person can learn JKD from a book or by watching Bruce Lee movies is quite absurd.

    To then state that that a person does not even need a book, i'm afraid does not make any sense.
    I find it interesting that my Instructors have been merely teaching me JKD "philosophy" for 22 years, when I thought that I was learning martial art.

    All I can say is please read the post from the Bruce Lee Foundation.
    best wishes
    Martin ONeill

    Martin, with all due respect - you're entitled to believe what you want. I personally believe that JKD is a philosophy and it's not something trained, but something that you understand.

    I've quoted enough of Bruce's own words to back this up. If you want to quote the citation from the book you speak of, that would be great. But I have a feeling it directly contradicts these quotes.
    "I do not believe in styles anymore."
    I have not invented a "new style," composite, modified or otherwise that is set within distinct form as apart from "this" method or "that" method. On the contrary, I hope to free my followers from clinging to styles, patterns, or molds. Remember that Jeet Kune Do is merely a name used, a mirror in which to see "ourselves". . . Jeet Kune Do is not an organized institution that one can be a member of. Either you understand or you don't, and that is that.

    Regards,
    John.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 346 ✭✭Martin25


    Hi John
    I think that you are a sincere person and I am not trying to trick you. Some of the confusion is that, Bruce Lee wrote different things at different times as he was in a process of self discovery,he changed his mind as he created JKD and who is to say what he would have ended up with if he had lived a long life. Unfortunately we will never know. The "Tao of Jeet Kune Do" was put together after his death and it contains some of his personal notes which he used in the development of his ideas,the Tao is sometimes confusing as the notes were not in any proper order.
    John Little later compiled these in a more clear manner in "Commentaries on the Martial Way".
    However, Bruce Lee created a martial art and called it JKD and it has self expression and liberation from classical styles as its some of its core ideas. It has a core curriculum which he created and taught which mainly centres on Wing Chun,Western boxing and Western fencing plus a little grappling and including a healthy input from philosophy; Zen, Taoism,
    I Ching, Lao Tzu and western philosophy.
    I have copies of the full curriculum as taught by him at the Seattle School and the LA Chinatown School. I would gladly show these to you if we ever got the opportunity to meet.
    Good luck to you in your training.
    Martin


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    No problem Martin. It's open to interpretation. Ours differ, that's all :) No worries at all buddy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 346 ✭✭Martin25


    John
    Just looked again at the interview with Pierre Burton,Bruce was great in that!
    Certainly he did not agree with styles because they tend to become "the gospel truth" but he had a training method. I think that he would have loved the UFC. However he did not believe in rules in fighting.
    all the best
    Martin


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    Martin25 wrote: »
    John
    Just looked again at the interview with Pierre Burton,Bruce was great in that!
    Certainly he did not agree with styles because they tend to become "the gospel truth" but he had a training method. I think that he would have loved the UFC. However he did not believe in rules in fighting.
    all the best
    Martin

    Of course, but then again - MMA is a sport, and he would have obviously appreciated that within the rules of MMA, the cross-training is a still a very effective format. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,534 ✭✭✭FruitLover


    ...when did this turn into the 'Religion' forum? :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 346 ✭✭Martin25


    JKD principles include;
    Simplicity
    Directness
    Economy of Motion
    Timing
    Think HIT!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 346 ✭✭Martin25


    Fruitlover
    You need to watch the Bruce Lee interview with Pierre Burton interview to get up to speed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 346 ✭✭Martin25


    John
    A good clip of JKD has just been posted by Octavio Quintero on youtube.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 346 ✭✭Martin25




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 173 ✭✭crosstrainer1


    martian has put alot of effort in this artical. But to some up a jkd instructor comes in two parts
    1 a person who has studied the root system of jan fan gung fu, kick boxing ang grappling as seen through the eyes of bruce durning the 1961 to 73 time period that he taught. that was his jKD. lineage to bruce is also important

    2 someone who cross trains in Any martial art karate ,jujitsu kung fu and gains indevidual self knowledge which develops into their own fighting system ie there own JKD.
    and three

    3 dan inosanto and james lee where the only students to be given the rank of instructor level 3 in JKD. sifu tacky was given the rank of instructor in jan fan gung fu. so the only two people who have a lineage to bruce is tacky and dan james lee died leavong no lineage


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    In work at the moment Martin, will take a look later. Thanks :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 346 ✭✭Martin25


    A main point is outlined in Crosstrainers post.
    Does someone need to know the roots of JKD to be able to practice it or teach it? Does a carpenter need to know basic joinery or a bricklayer how to build to a line? Does a Doctor or Nurse need to know physiology and anatomy?

    I don't want to get into a negative arguement with any one because people tend to believe what they want to believe. For the record,Sigung Taky Kimura is the Senior in Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do and Sifu Dan Inosanto his very close friend acknowledges this to be the case, as do all the other top JKD Instructors and Bruce Lee's family.

    I think that if you add your philosophy to,for example, Japanese or Korean or South East Asian Martial Arts or MMA, you may be practicing your own area of self expression and more power to you, but please do not call it Jeet Kune Do as this creates even more confusion.

    Martin


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 173 ✭✭crosstrainer1


    in 2005 i traveled to edinbrugh to attend a JKD seminar host by Rick young with Guru dan Inosanto teaching along side eric paulson. Like most bruce lee fans i was eagar to meet bruces friend and training partner and wanting to find out what was the magic he possesed. durning the two day course i found that how guru dan was inspiring myself and those around me. To me he was teaching honest martial arts his greast quote was if you dont develop it someone else will. meaning martial arts is always changing. Scence then i have meet Rick Young ,Bob Breen and My JKD instructors MICk and Steve Krause and what all theses guys have in commom is that they give you the encouragement to learn and grow and develop your martial arts training. The reason people travel far and wide to train with these guys is because of who they are, not who bruce was.
    two many instructors out there are living of the bruce lee name. You see dvds like bruce taught me this or the bruce lee way of attack and these guys may have never meet him. There are also those who are saying that JKD was meant to be trained this way or bruce would have taught it like this. What makes good JKD instruction someone who inspires you to be more


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 346 ✭✭Martin25


    Hi Crosstrainer
    I'm glad to see someone else in Ireland who is interested in JKD and in improving themselves by training with some of the best Instructors. I know Steve and Mike as they were my first JKD Instructors over 20 years ago,so please pass on my best wishes. I have been teaching JKD classes in my local youth club for more than 20 years for free and view this as my contribution to my community.
    Good luck in your training
    Martin


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 346 ✭✭Martin25


    Some of the most well known students from the Oakland School are Leo Fong,Bob Baker,Allen Joe, Howard Williams,Greglon Lee who is James Lee's son,David Cox. Gary Caggan and the Mandangal brothers are keeping the flame alive as well.


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