The Plan Discussion(SPOILERS]

qwertplaywert

Currently halfway through it, anyone else seen it yet? Thoughts?

_Kooli_

Very good.
I love the way it ties it all together.
I especially love how evil Cavil is shown to be.

mewso

Not bad. Not great. Plenty of gratuitous nudity for some strange reason. It was essentially a series of clips of what was happening when scene x occurred in the actual series whereas I was expecting a bit more background to the whole attack. Instead it covered the attack in the first few minutes then spent the rest giving minor insights to various events. One for the fans only I think which does include me. I'm happy to have seen it but I wouldn't call it essential.

kowloon

What channel is this on?

Sherifu

mewso wrote: »

Not bad. Not great. Plenty of gratuitous nudity for some strange reason. It was essentially a series of clips of what was happening when scene x occurred in the actual series whereas I was expecting a bit more background to the whole attack. Instead it covered the attack in the first few minutes then spent the rest giving minor insights to various events. One for the fans only I think which does include me. I'm happy to have seen it but I wouldn't call it essential.

Pretty much agree with this. Was expecting more than a clip show. Hardcore fans may get a kick out of it but i'm a bit underwhelmed.

Biggins

Definately one for the fans. Providing background info into motivations and reasons for certain incidents.
A non-fan trying to watch it would still be wondering by the end "what the heck was that all about?" LOL
The real thing they couldn't see/defeat that helped the humans to survive?

Love!

...and we never did find out what was so special about the 33 minutes!

Sherifu

Biggins wrote: »

The real thing they couldn't see/defeat that helped the humans to survive?

Love!

That was one thing but also I think having the final 5 among them probably helped. The main thing that annoyed me was it wasn't much of a plan.

sioda

Always liked Cavil so loved it.

After Caprica was not too suprised about the nudity tbh

Just makes me miss BSG even more though thank god for SGU this year:)

Gingervitis

Kinda awkward when I found out that number 4's wife is played by Edward James Olmos' wife. Filming that sex scene must have been fun for him...

Richard Dower

As a standalone BSG movie it was muddled and mixed up, you NEED to be a fan, know all the original scenes and where the new footage from The Plan intersects. You'll see a scene in the series then The Plan lets you see what you didn't see.

The attack at the start was probably the best thing about it, but overall you'd have to really watched and know BSG or else on it's own it makes no sense as a standalone piece of work.

Pepe LeFrits

Boring and pointless.

_Kooli_

kowloon wrote: »

What channel is this on?

33

Stark

Whole thing was a bit meh.

Gingervitis wrote: »

Kinda awkward when I found out that number 4's wife is played by Edward James Olmos' wife. Filming that sex scene must have been fun for him...

Too busy zooming in on that guy's willy to notice probably.

TheIrishGrover

mewso wrote: »

Not bad. Not great. Plenty of gratuitous nudity for some strange reason. It was essentially a series of clips of what was happening when scene x occurred in the actual series whereas I was expecting a bit more background to the whole attack. Instead it covered the attack in the first few minutes then spent the rest giving minor insights to various events. One for the fans only I think which does include me. I'm happy to have seen it but I wouldn't call it essential.

Yeah, same. now, I'm all for bewbs etc but it actually felt a bit silly in this. It felt kind of like: "Look, we're all serious and not for kids. We got bewbs". Don't think they fitted in with the rest of the series. It was mature enough without needing to flash tits. Now if it was Grace Park or Tricia Helfer...... I was also expecting more than a clip show. Was hoping for a more cohesive arc. Dean Stockwell was (were?) brilliant as per usual but, I don't know, just didn't come together for me really. Have the BD package but don't think I'll be adding this TBH.Did like the new mix of the theme music at the end though.

_CreeD_

Very disappointing. It was disjointed and the new footage was much weaker than the existing flashbacks (about it's only saving grace) - Yes I know it is intended as a montage from the other side's pov but it had no sense of flow regardless.

kowloon

It was all a bit disjointed, a lot of it seems like it could just have been in the original episodes. As for the nudity, the vast majority of it seemed like it was just thrown in there for the sake of it, if anything it detracted from the programme. It seems to be the going thing these days to throw a bit of flesh into a programme to make it 'gritty'; I'd prefer to see more effort made.

bazz26

Didn't really like it to be honest. A 2 hour join the dots episode with cllips from the previous 4 seasons, after watching it I thought it was pretty weak.

The only real memorable moments were the scenes of the attacks on the other coloneys other than Caprica. That and the introduction of the slut/trashy version of 6 who looked very tasty in her underwear.

Overall though if you never watched this episode you would be non the worst off for it. Definately not a patch on Razor imo.

Goodshape

It was brilliant, I thought :P

A few small things bugged me (as others have said - a little disjointed, gratuitous nudity, SFX were weak at times) but overall it was top notch BSG.

Olmos directed this one and from interviews with him and other episodes he's directed, I've always thought he was a fan of pushing the boat out on the underlying philosophical messages of BSG.. so I was prepared for that before sitting down to watch, and got just what I expected.

Would have liked if there was some explanation or investigation into why and how the final 5 all managed to survive the holocaust (or did I just miss it?) but I enjoyed watching 'The Plan' slowly crumble away for the Cylons, as they battle with new found love and emotions.

Feels a good deal more satisfying than the season final, tbh.

4 or 5 out of 5 if you're a fan.

eh, not sure there's much point in watching if you aren't.

bazz26 wrote: »

The only real memorable moments were the scenes of the attacks on the other coloneys other than Caprica. That and the introduction of the slut/trashy version of 6 who looked very tasty in her underwear.

So basically, it's the 'splosions and bewbs you're after

degrassinoel

reminded me of this..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BViobexQnzw

TheIrishGrover

Goodshape wrote: »

It was brilliant, I thought :P

A few small things bugged me (as others have said - a little disjointed, gratuitous nudity, SFX were weak at times) but overall it was top notch BSG.

Olmos directed this one and from interviews with him and other episodes he's directed, I've always thought he was a fan of pushing the boat out on the underlying philosophical messages of BSG.. so I was prepared for that before sitting down to watch, and got just what I expected.

Would have liked if there was some explanation or investigation into why and how the final 5 all managed to survive the holocaust (or did I just miss it?) but I enjoyed watching 'The Plan' slowly crumble away for the Cylons, as they battle with new found love and emotions.

Feels a good deal more satisfying than the season final, tbh.

4 or 5 out of 5 if you're a fan.

eh, not sure there's much point in watching if you aren't.

bazz26 wrote:

The only real memorable moments were the scenes of the attacks on the other coloneys other than Caprica. That and the introduction of the slut/trashy version of 6 who looked very tasty in her underwear.

So basically, it's the 'splosions and bewbs you're after

http://www.explosionsandboobs.com/

:pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:

mewso

One other thing I forgot that annoyed me. If there is one thing I hate it's exposition and when we saw any of the final 5 for the first time we got the "thats one of the final 5" flash back to them lying in their tubs. The reminder for idiots. Always irks me that kind of thing.

TheIrishGrover

the opening looked familiar?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgtL8bZp4kk

Stark

mewso wrote: »

One other thing I forgot that annoyed me. If there is one thing I hate it's exposition and when we saw any of the final 5 for the first time we got the "thats one of the final 5" flash back to them lying in their tubs. The reminder for idiots. Always irks me that kind of thing.

Yeah I thought they were going somewhere with that, like we'd see one getting resurrected, mind wiped and sent back to Galactica or something. But no.

tvnutz

Goodshape wrote: »

Would have liked if there was some explanation or investigation into why and how the final 5 all managed to survive the holocaust (or did I just miss it?)

Well since Cavill's plan relied on them dying so that he could prove he was right to kill them,wipe them and insert them into the colonies,I always assumd it was "God" or "the gods",whatsever higher power head six and head baltar belonged to. The series finale basically said God did it all,so I assume that is how they survived as well,divine intervention.

As for the Plan,I enjoyed it. It was great to see everything filled in,a lot of the things we never saw. I really like that kind of thing. And that's what this always was. I assumed everyone knew that? I am surprised people commenting that it "is only for the fans" and "you would need to know the original show" or it was "disjointed for a standalone movie". Well it is not really a standalone movie,it was a fill in the blanks/view from the opposite side movie,and definatly only for those who had seen the show. it was never meant to be anything else. Perhaps knowing that is why I find it very good.

There were some really great scenes with Cavill,killing the kid was quite shocking,great scene.

lostexpectation

what the name of the new women character, what she been in before?

where was olmos's son

it was like a clip show

so the plan was to kil everyone in one go?


and the plan backfired because the sleep agents the put in to process the plan fell in love with humanity....

we knew that didn't we

Aaron M

I thought it was very good overall. Cavill was always the most intriguing character to me throughout the series, so to see more of him (in multiple guises) was most welcome.

Pepe LeFrits

Gingervitis wrote: »

number 4's wife is played by Edward James Olmos' wife

Olmos, the old seadog!

PetKing

Very disappointed.. I'll post my thoughts when I've calmed down after a beer.

Can we get a poll going?

DeVore

It felt a bit like a slower, longer version of the "this week on BSG" flash-forward-clips to the drums at the start of each episode.... just 2 hours in length.

I liked it cos I'm a fan, but not hugely. I went to bed half way through it last night and picked it up again today without feeling like I was doing it any injustice since not much of it relies on the previous scenes...

Not bitching, because I love BSG and this was, at least, MOAR BSG... but.... *shrug*

Could have used a splosion or two more too

DeV.

GSPfan

Copy and Paste Devore's thoughts.

Kinda sat tru it wondering how long was left. Wasn't fussed. I payed more attention to the soundtrack to be honest. Can't wait for that to come out. But any BSG is better than none.

Can't really form a good or a bad opinion of it cause it didn't really answer anything for me. Can anyone tell me who left the note saying "There are only 12 cylon models"?

User45701

Baltar

- noone else knew who could have done it - Caprica 6 told baltar before he died "there are 12 models" so i think baltar would have left it - i thought it had always been implied and this time around the camera went straight to baltar after adama picked up the note

DeepBlue

Thought it was pretty meh like most others on this thread . It felt like a not particularly nutritious or tasty meal made up of leftovers.

Also thought it was inconsistent with Boomer *knowing* she was a cylon before she found out for definite when she went to bomb the base star.
I thought it was only when she saw all the other clones of herself that the penny dropped for definite. Some unconvincing re-writing went on there but it's not worth bitching over as the overall movie was so poor.

C_Dawg

I'd give it 7 out of 10.

They made a few cock ups with the camera shots of the resistance on Caprica; the original episodes had that bright yellowish glow but in the new clips it all looked normal.

They made even more cocks up with all the tits flying about! Ahoy! However it bugs me that they can show wet boobs and scenes bordering on pornography but don't have any decent swearing.

GSPfan

Way too much dangling penis for my tastes! Probably not the best description.

Sad Professor

They edited Mary McDonnell out of the Calvins' interrogation scene and gave her "airlock" line to Tigh. I guess Sci-Fi (or whatever they call themselves now) didn't want to have include her name in the credits and have to pay her. Cheap.

Anyway this would have made a nice Cylon POV episode sometime in season 2. But as a standalone feature it was mediocre and pointless. I'm still none the wiser about "the plan". They should have explained it in season 2 when we still cared what it was, not after the series had ended.

kowloon

GSPfan wrote: »

Way too much dangling penis for my tastes! Probably not the best description.

I wonder if they were worried about all the boobies they were including so threw in a closeup of someones dangler.
Given the formula Langer > knockers they were then safe to have everyone topless for the rest of the programme. It's like carbon offsetting .

namelessguy

I really enjoyed it. It tied everything together in a very significant way. Alot of minor incidents in the main series, alot of asides, were shown to all be part of one concerted effort by one pissed off cylon.

Rodg3

namelessguy wrote: »

I really enjoyed it. It tied everything together in a very significant way. Alot of minor incidents in the main series, alot of asides, were shown to all be part of one concerted effort by one pissed off cylon.

I'm with Namelessguy on this one. It was enjoyable and gave definitive answers to a few lingering uncertainties.
My one gripe was that I had wished they'd sprung for a little more money on the VFX. The ones in this were FAR more CGI looking than usual, they lacked that gritty realism we've come to expect from the show.

PetKing

namelessguy wrote: »

I really enjoyed it. It tied everything together in a very significant way. Alot of minor incidents in the main series, alot of asides, were shown to all be part of one concerted effort by one pissed off cylon.

I really have to disagree, anything I had lingering in my head about loose ties (which was very little once it finished), hardly deserved to be addressed in this hotch potch of stock footage. Dean Stockwell is a fine actor and he was good to watch, but the almost pointless chats with Ellen and hanging around Caprica with Sam... it was all such a yawn fest. And I didn't buy Cavill's sudden epihany that humanity deserves to live because of Sam's cheesey bit about love. And who gave a fiddlers about Simon?!?!?

Im a huge fan of Battlestar, and I was looking forward to The Plan immensely, but once it finished, it should have been finished. Very disappointing.

noodler

Gingervitis wrote: »

Kinda awkward when I found out that number 4's wife is played by Edward James Olmos' wife. Filming that sex scene must have been fun for him...

Wow, she was alot younger than him! Great ass too.

Richard Dower wrote: »

As a standalone BSG movie it was muddled and mixed up, you NEED to be a fan, know all the original scenes and where the new footage from The Plan intersects. You'll see a scene in the series then The Plan lets you see what you didn't see.

The attack at the start was probably the best thing about it, but overall you'd have to really watched and know BSG or else on it's own it makes no sense as a standalone piece of work.

I am surprised by some people's comments, I knew what the Plan was going to be from the various press spots done over the last year. If you had your head in the sand then I can probably see how you would be disappointed.

tvnutz wrote: »

As for the Plan,I enjoyed it. It was great to see everything filled in,a lot of the things we never saw. I really like that kind of thing. And that's what this always was. I assumed everyone knew that? I am surprised people commenting that it "is only for the fans" and "you would need to know the original show" or it was "disjointed for a standalone movie". Well it is not really a standalone movie,it was a fill in the blanks/view from the opposite side movie,and definatly only for those who had seen the show. it was never meant to be anything else. Perhaps knowing that is why I find it very good.

There were some really great scenes with Cavill,killing the kid was quite shocking,great scene.

Exactly

DeepBlue wrote: »

Thought it was pretty meh like most others on this thread . It felt like a not particularly nutritious or tasty meal made up of leftovers.

Also thought it was inconsistent with Boomer *knowing* she was a cylon before she found out for definite when she went to bomb the base star.
I thought it was only when she saw all the other clones of herself that the penny dropped for definite. Some unconvincing re-writing went on there but it's not worth bitching over as the overall movie was so poor.

This was very confusing for me. I had thought Boomer didn't know she was a Cylon 100% until she shot Adama. Now the Plan tells us she knew all along essentially? I was hoping Cavil had written CYLON on her mirror but the explanation that she thinks she did it was very weak.



Can anyone explain why Athena didn't recognise Cavil on Caprica with the resistance fighters?

Was there anything about Simon's suicide in Season 1?

There sure were alot of airlocking scenes.

Was hoping for a nice explanation for the Baltar-Accusing Six in S1 and her mysterious disappearance off the ship. Oh and here is another thing I thought was a little fishy. I don't know about everyone else but in S1 when Baltar gets accused by that Six, I assumed it was not really a Cylon 6 but was the 'GOD' Six because she had threatened Baltar moments before for his lack of faith and smug attitude. I mean I guess you could say she was godly in that she knew the Cylon Six was about to start her plan but defo not the way I had seen things in S1.

I did like watching the Cylons on Galactica like Leobon get caught etc.

Will post more thoughts as they come to me. The Caprica CGI was a bit weak, especially the outside of the bar. Oh and Ellen Tigh has a great as too.

Stark

noodler wrote: »

This was very confusing for me. I had thought Boomer didn't know she was a Cylon 100% until she shot Adama. Now the Plan tells us she knew all along essentially? I was hoping Cavil had written CYLON on her mirror but the explanation that she thinks she did it was very weak.

The elephant acted as a switch. When she was holding it, her cylon memories were unlocked, when Cavil took it away, she went back to being ignorant of her cylon nature.

DeepBlue

Stark wrote: »

The elephant acted as a switch. When she was holding it, her cylon memories were unlocked, when Cavil took it away, she went back to being ignorant of her cylon nature.

Missed that - probably 'cos it makes so much sense :pac:
/Adds Jane Espensen to list of hack writers to be avoided in future.

And since she's the show runner for Caprica it's a safe bet that the spin-off is/will be a load of cack as well.

MisterAnarchy

DeepBlue wrote: »

/Adds Jane Espensen to list of hack writers to be avoided in future.

And since she's the show runner for Caprica it's a safe bet that the spin-off is/will be a load of cack as well.

She is out of her depth on Galactica and should never have been allowed to join the writing team.
I dont have high hopes for Caprica myself ,Ron Moore seems to be taking a back seat role for it and the pilot was somewhat underwhelming.

noodler

I did a quick google there to see wht ytou are all moaning about and see she did the following episodes.


The Passage (2006)
Dirty Hands (2007) (co-written with Anne Cofell Saunders)
Escape Velocity (2008)

I can't remember the last one off hand but the first two were very good.

EDIT: As was the plan.

MisterAnarchy

I watched the Plan last night and it was better than I expected.
It gave some good insight into the Cylon perspective and had some good scenes .
However certain parts of it were hugely contrived and contradicted events in series 1 of the show.
One bit in particular was farcical,

I was literally laughing at Leoben's fascination with Kara and how it started,listening in on the radio .

Overall it was worth watching ,some bits that it explained were probably best left to ones imagination to fill in instead of Espenson's ideas .
I guess it was always going to be a tough job to come up with a logical Plan seeing as Moore and the writing team only came up with the notion of the final 5 in the middle of series 3 and they were making up alot of stuff as they went along and hoping that they could tie it all together in the end with the God explanation.

noodler

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

I watched the Plan last night and it was better than I expected.
It gave some good insight into the Cylon perspective and had some good scenes .
However certain parts of it were hugely contrived and contradicted events in series 1 of the show.
One bit in particular was farcical,

I was literally laughing at Leoben's fascination with Kara and how it started,listening in on the radio .

Overall it was worth watching ,some bits that it explained were probably best left to ones imagination to fill in instead of Espenson's ideas .
I guess it was always going to be a tough job to come up with a logical Plan seeing as Moore and the writing team only came up with the notion of the final 5 in the middle of series 3 and they were making up alot of stuff as they went along and hoping that they could tie it all together in the end with the God explanation.

Leoben thing did lack impact. Needed Starbuck in the show perhaps?

stevenmu

I enjoyed this, but I think in many ways it didn't go far enough. There was still a whole lot left uncovered. I'd have enjoyed it much more if they went right through to the end and covered things like the occupation on New Caprica and the cyclon civil war etc. Although that would be a lot to squeeze onto a DVD, and I know Moore has said that there is more BSG to come so perhaps there'll be a follow up with that covered.

Johnny Storm

Disappointing IMHO

Dr. Baltar

A very disappointing end to a great series.
Footage we've seen before made up 80% of it, and the rest was rather poor.

Dr. Baltar

Oh and the CGI was poor also.

noodler

Dr. Baltar wrote: »

Oh and the CGI was poor also.

Well, I felt some of the shots on Caprica before the Cylon attack were poor (the Bar shot was awful) but I defo thought that the CGI as a whole was still quite good.

The nukes, the interaction of the Cylon and Colonial fleets etc.