Disposal of unwanted firearms

Mr Burns

I current has a .22 LR SA which is in poor condition and I have no intention of relicencing it. I have contacted a number of RFDs and asked about getting rid of it and they don't want to know. They tell me to ask the Gardai. The Gardai don't want to know either telling me to go back to a RFD. So I has reached a stalemate situation.

I don't want to relicence something that is worthless and not working correctly. Also if I dispose of it, it leaves me in a better position with storage of my other firearms.

Any suggestions or advice?

Ned Muldhoon

Page 40 of the comm. guidelines outline the process. Simply, RFD takes it in and destruction is witnessed by Garda and FCA2 form completed!

Our man in Havana

Where a firearm is handed over to the Garda Síochána for destruction, this destruction shall be carried out as soon as is practicable by a registered firearms dealer or other authorised person and supervised by a member of the Garda Síochána. It is vitally important that the details are recorded on PULSE so that proper records are maintained in relation to every firearm. Also, form FCA2 should be completed if the firearm certificate is to be cancelled and forwarded to Firearms Computer Section, Garda H.Q. so that this cancellation can be recorded. When a firearm has subsequently been destroyed, this fact should be immediately forwarded in writing to the person who had handed over the firearm to the Garda Síochána.

I think the Gardaí are playing silly buggers with the OP.

shannonpowerlab

Yea, one dealer told me he had to chop up an old gun one morning. One that was traded in for a new one. Obviously had no value he nearly had to charge extra for disposal...

He had to cut it in front of FO on a saturday morning with a hacksaw, on the floor.

He was not too happy afterwards.

rrpc

shannonpowerlab wrote: »

Yea, one dealer told me he had to chop up an old gun one morning. One that was traded in for a new one. Obviously had no value he nearly had to charge extra for disposal...

He had to cut it in front of FO on a saturday morning with a hacksaw, on the floor.

He was not too happy afterwards.

Presumably he's since bought an angle grinder

Grizzly 45

Powercraft do a good metal chopper:D:D

kowloon

I wonder how many Greeners and the likes will end up being chopped up as old crappy guns of no value .

rowa

chop it two with an angle grinder and go down and drop it on the counter in the garda station ,

i know when they had the firearms amnesty in the uk there were a lot of interesting old guns handed in and most were saved , including a webley revolver belonging to a first world war v.c. medal winner .

Overature

I will take all wanted firearms of your hands. PM me

shannonpowerlab

rrpc wrote: »

Presumably he's since bought an angle grinder

Well I think he was cutting it in the gun storage room...Maybe an angle grinder was not such a good idea.

Grizzly 45

i know when they had the firearms amnesty in the uk there were a lot of interesting old guns handed in and most were saved , including a webley revolver belonging to a first world war v.c. medal winner .

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Trouble is;somone has to have a knowledge of firearms of whats or junk in the police force or station that is going to dispose of the gun.:(
If the attitude is just disposing of "another potentially deadly weapon"..you can be sure that a good few historical firearms will be in bits here..

rrpc

Overature wrote: »

I will take all wanted firearms of your hands. PM me

Eh...?

I think people want their wanted firearms

cavan shooter

Apparntly if it's down for destruction thats what happens (full stop) dealer I know ha already destroyed 2 lovely guns that where old but good nick that were handed into the barracks. He nearly cried

Darr

once saw a purdey get chopped in hergartys , it was brought to the attendtion of the officer there that it was a shame to destroy i belive that the reply was if it it on the list in it goes ..

this was part of a clear out of some station/armoury so there was 100's of firearms ..

some really nice ones
Dar

Rovi

Given the financial straits we're all in these days, I wonder do the Gardai/DoJ realise the potential value of what they're having chopped up and sent to the scrap metal dealers?
A central clearing house/Garda gun dealership for guns for destruction or otherwise seized could be a nice little earner.

Grizzly 45

Even better...I personally know and deal with a crowd in Germany who specialise in exporting and buying up police armouries/evidence rooms,collections from various sources around the world.They are very good at sorting out the junk from the gems,but take the whole lot and do it in Germany.Their showroom has to be seen to be belived.:eek:
So there would be no panic about the guns ending back in "civillian hands"here:rolleyes:.
Of course that might involve somone in the DOJ or upper echelons of the Gardai having enough testicular matter to advance such a bold project.[Although every other country in the Western World does this to make some money for their police Depts and Govts].So I wouldnt hold my breath on this good idea coming to anything.:(

kowloon

Darr wrote: »

once saw a purdey get chopped in hergartys , it was brought to the attendtion of the officer there that it was a shame to destroy i belive that the reply was if it it on the list in it goes ..

this was part of a clear out of some station/armoury so there was 100's of firearms ..

some really nice ones
Dar

That just pi55es me off :mad:.


I wonder how receptive the Gardai would be to the idea of selling on.

Grizzly 45

Proably as receptive as Dermot Aherne taking up centre fire pistol shooting.:(:(

Darr

Well he didnt seem one bit intrested in what was there ,bar checking off serial numbers , some lovely hammer/flint locks with carved stocks were chopped .. I do belive that he allowed 1 carved stock to be taken off a FA before it was chopped but that took an awful lot of hassel ..

in total I belive there was 4 blue totes ( 4ft sq by , 3ft deep) done that day (which was about 10+ years ago )with a huge selection of firearms .

a real shame ...

Dar

PJ Hunter

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Even better...I personally know and deal with a crowd in Germany who specialise in exporting and buying up police armouries/evidence rooms,collections from various sources around the world.They are very good at sorting out the junk from the gems,but take the whole lot and do it in Germany.Their showroom has to be seen to be belived.:eek:
So there would be no panic about the guns ending back in "civillian hands"here:rolleyes:.
Of course that might involve somone in the DOJ or upper echelons of the Gardai having enough testicular matter to advance such a bold project.[Although every other country in the Western World does this to make some money for their police Depts and Govts].So I wouldnt hold my breath on this good idea coming to anything.:(

turkey have changed their gun law;)
http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=178483

iverjohnston

In days gone by (15 years ago) the local sargent would take the guns to be destroyed, put them in a rowing boat and head out to the middle of the lake (right behind the station) and scatter the parts about a wide area. Before dawn. But not so likely to happen now I would think!
Nigel in Cavan

Grizzly 45

I've got scuba gear,and am qualified.....Where's the lake???;):D:D:D:D

Turkey sorting out their gun laws....Nice idea....You can buy the stuff there as easy as buying a packet of cigs.. SIGH!..The things sensible countries will do to get into this soon to be United States of Europe dictatorship:(:(

meathstevie

I don't understand the State's behaviour in this context.

By all means destroy weapons that have been used in crime, who'd want to buy them anyway.

Another story is valuable firearms that for some reason or other don't get licenced anymore. The government can use every penny at the moment so
can anyone tell me what's so fundamentally wrong about making a few bob from auctioning quality valuable sporting and hunting arms. For heaven's sake folks, taking the angle grinder to a Purdey or Holland&Holland while it's worth thousands is scandalous. You don't even have to go that high up the scale, plenty a Browning, Beretta or Remington would quite quickly find a new licenced home if they were remarketed.

You wouldn't for example see a Ferrari that's seized for no tax or no VRT being brought to the scrapyard for destruction so why do it with firearms that are comparetively just as valuable ?

rowa

meathstevie wrote: »

I don't understand the State's behaviour in this context.

By all means destroy weapons that have been used in crime, who'd want to buy them anyway.

Another story is valuable firearms that for some reason or other don't get licenced anymore. The government can use every penny at the moment so
can anyone tell me what's so fundamentally wrong about making a few bob from auctioning quality valuable sporting and hunting arms. For heaven's folks, taking the angle grinder to a Purdey or Holland&Holland while it's worth thousands is scandalous. You don't even have to go that high up the scale, plenty a Browning, Beretta or Remington would quite quickly find a new licenced home if they were remarketed.

You wouldn't for example see a Ferrari that's seized for no tax or no VRT being brought to the scrapyard for destruction so why do it with firearms that are comparetively just as valuable ?

because they are civil servants paid for by the taxpayer and as such the worry of making a profit or running a business or saving money is not a concern for them .

rrpc

rowa wrote: »

because they are civil servants paid for by the taxpayer and as such the worry of making a profit or running a business or saving money is not a concern for them .

Actually it is a business decision. The cost of running and administering such a scheme would far outweigh any potential gains achieved from selling off unwanted firearms, the vast majority of which would be completely valueless.

Grizzly 45

Not really RR,
if it is allowed to be done by a competant admin system,it actually can make money.Otherwise this company I know ,wouldnt even deal with police forces or military.Yet they do on a regular basis and import from all over the world to Germany with little or no problems.It is a simple enough process and procedure of admin and paperwork.
Even the junk is valueable,as they strip it down for component parts for resale.Ask Numrich Arms [aka Gunparts.com] how much money valueless guns can be to somone looking for that lost bit.

MS.
Bad news about the untaxed vechicles sezied by Revenue,if they aint cleared within a certain period.Into the crusher with them...:(:(
Or they are flogged off in "public auctions" that no one bar an elite few ever gets to hear about..
As for scrapping guns used in crime...well,maybe not after all,what would have happened to people like Dillinger,Bonnie&Clyde,Lee Harvey Oswold,etc personal firearms??they are now historical treasures and main attractions in the FBI HQ tour in Washington .:)

Our man in Havana

They are now historical treasures and main attractions in the FBI HQ tour in Washington.

It is an most excellent tour. It is very educational.

rrpc

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Not really RR,
if it is allowed to be done by a competant admin system,it actually can make money.Otherwise this company I know ,wouldnt even deal with police forces or military.Yet they do on a regular basis and import from all over the world to Germany with little or no problems.It is a simple enough process and procedure of admin and paperwork.
Even the junk is valueable,as they strip it down for component parts for resale.Ask Numrich Arms [aka Gunparts.com] how much money valueless guns can be to somone looking for that lost bit.

Yes really Grizzly . You're talking about a firm in Germany where there are literally millions of firearms and which has access to a great deal more across their borders. We're talking about a country that has fewer than one quarter million registered firearms, of which a tiny percentage will be scrapped each year. Of that tiny percentage, only the smallest percentage would be of any real value. And by 'any real value' I mean more than €500.

MS.
Bad news about the untaxed vechicles sezied by Revenue,if they aint cleared within a certain period.Into the crusher with them...:(:(
Or they are flogged off in "public auctions" that no one bar an elite few ever gets to hear about..

Eh? Merlin Car Auctions are the biggest in this market and get most of these. Sign yourself up for their weekly emails and you can even bid online for them

As for scrapping guns used in crime...well,maybe not after all,what would have happened to people like Dillinger,Bonnie&Clyde,Lee Harvey Oswold,etc personal firearms??they are now historical treasures and main attractions in the FBI HQ tour in Washington .:)

They are kept here in Garda HQ. Maybe they should try and make an exhibit of them; there's been pictures posted here by some US law enforcement officers who visited that collection some time ago.

Grizzly 45

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rrpc;62693391]Yes really Grizzly . You're talking about a firm in Germany where there are literally millions of firearms and which has access to a great deal more across their borders. We're talking about a country that has fewer than one quarter million registered firearms, of which a tiny percentage will be scrapped each year. Of that tiny percentage, only the smallest percentage would be of any real value. And by 'any real value' I mean more than €500.

Er..RR.. I was thinking more that maybe the powers that be should maybe consider giving a crowd like them a shout to come over and have a deko at what the Gardai have for scrapping and buy it off them.And/or put out a national advert to the gun dealers for stuff that they want to scrap,or people want to dispose ofthru the dealers...Belive me what you and me might consider scrap or valueless,somone somwhere is looking for it.

Eh? Merlin Car Auctions are the biggest in this market and get most of these. Sign yourself up for their weekly emails and you can even bid online for them

Cheers!:) Can U tell us where do I sign up for the Revenue auctions??THOSE are the ones I was on about..A lot more intresting things there.

They are kept here in Garda HQ. Maybe they should try and make an exhibit of them; there's been pictures posted here by some US law enforcement officers who visited that collection some time ago.[/quote

Didnt kmow Dillinger was in Ireland!:D:D.But yes! There are some valueable pieces there alright..Colt made Thompson SMGs are worth quite abit...:) Folks,we really should see about getting a tour of this place..:cool:

rrpc

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Er..RR.. I was thinking more that maybe the powers that be should maybe consider giving a crowd like them a shout to come over and have a deko at what the Gardai have for scrapping and buy it off them.And/or put out a national advert to the gun dealers for stuff that they want to scrap,or people want to dispose ofthru the dealers...Belive me what you and me might consider scrap or valueless,somone somwhere is looking for it.

But it would still cost more than would be made from it. Somebody to assess the stuff, or even just spend their time going around dealers picking up sh*te and doing all the paperwork to send it to Germany on the basis that somewhere in all that dung the occasional diamond would turn up. Don't get me wrong, I'd love the job , I just doubt it would have long term prospects

Cheers!:) Can U tell us where do I sign up for the Revenue auctions??THOSE are the ones I was on about..A lot more intresting things there.

I'm afraid you just have to sign up and wait. They tell you in the emails who the auction is on behalf of: the vast majority are repo's :eek:

www.merlincarauctions.ie

meathstevie

Folks, I think what Grizzly is trying to say is that those German fellows just buy the whole lot and sift through it in their own time.

rrpc

meathstevie wrote: »

Folks, I think what Grizzly is trying to say is that those German fellows just buy the whole lot and sift through it in their own time.

We do know that. However there isn't a 'whole lot', just a bunch of dealers (or other storage systems in Garda hands) all over the country with stuff hanging around for ages. That all has to be gathered up into one place, the dealer's paperwork all amended to show the disposal and that witnessed by the Gardai.

That's where the work is.

meathstevie

What's the big deal if the company buying up the stuff is properly licenced to do exactly that ? Instead of issuing proof of destruction they issue proof of removal docs and done and dusted.

What's going to happen to all the stuff that's not going to be renewed now ? Especially center fire pistols and revolvers, a lot of them will be as good as new and very well looked after and easily worth a couple of hundred a pop.

Grizzly 45

Look,it pretty much works like this.
German company[es] advertises on net.We buy all types of guns from everywhere,private,collections,museuem,police arsenals and old evidence bits,outdated military stuff etc. Intrested parties contact them at.... Send them a list of what is available and they respond in what they would be intrested in or if it is a whole job lot to go,what they would offer.They do the entire paperwork with the revelant authorthies for exporting and importing to Germany,including arranging the shipping. You have to do nothing..Except state that you owned the gun and were liscensed and you have sold it to them to export.They sell the gun and take a comission on the sale,or if it is a job lot agree a price with the revelant authorithy.

No major big deal or hassle,99.9% of this is paperwork sorted out by phone,fax,and emails,between them and the revelant authorithy in whatever country.When all is said and done and allt the mystique is stripped away it is a international transaction of a bunch of items.

Sure they will buy your unliscensable centre fire here off you,and even store it too,if you dont want to sell it either,at a more reasonable price than some dealers here.BUT DO NOT expect to get the stupid money some people paid for their guns here in the Celtic tiger in the European market. EG No one will pay over a grand for a Glock17[unless you are a criminal on the black market] in Europe,when they are brand new at 500 euros.:(

iverjohnston

Arva, Co Cavan! But the lake is about 100 acres......................

whydave

sorry off topic but am look for a cheep second-hand 12g please see add

David

mods sorry off topic

johnner1

Mr Burns wrote: »

I current has a .22 LR SA which is in poor condition and I have no intention of relicencing it. I have contacted a number of RFDs and asked about getting rid of it and they don't want to know. They tell me to ask the Gardai. The Gardai don't want to know either telling me to go back to a RFD. So I has reached a stalemate situation.

I don't want to relicence something that is worthless and not working correctly. Also if I dispose of it, it leaves me in a better position with storage of my other firearms.

Any suggestions or advice?

I WAS IN THE SAME POSITION AS YOU, i had 1 shotgun too many i wanted to destruct with angle grinder. but i was able to hand it into local station for destruction done and dusted paper work done on the spot.