Car tax out by a year, how much will it cost me?

Cereal Killer

Hi have a 2 litre car to tax that has been out by a year, i have cash to get it done now, how much will it be?

Looking at the motortax.ie website I found this...

1 year : €614
3 months : €173

So this is really what I expect to pay. But there is Monthly Arrears too at €61.40

Is the arrears for every month its not being taxed, cause it's working out at just over €1,500 for me to tax the car.

Can someone please clarify this, cause it seems very excessive?

Thanks

Bodhan

Could you not put it "off the road"? Then no arrears

robbie_998

claim it as off the road and just buy new tax for it :P

Drummerboy08

Bodhan wrote: »

Could you not put it "off the road"? Then no arrears

robbie_998 wrote: »

claim it as off the road and just buy new tax for it :P

He could do that, but putting off the road for a year is a long time. Chances are that he would have gone through a toll/got a parking ticket/speeding ticket, or something else that would make it very easy to prove that the car was actually on the road, which would leave him in a worse position. If it was only for a few months, then I'd chance it, but not for a year.

Out of interest, why was it not taxed for the year?

Cereal Killer

I could say I put it off the road but I use the tollroads at least twice a week, so I'm tracked.

Wasn't taxed for the year cause money was short, and keeping the mortgage being paid and food on the table is more important. if i had the money I would have paid it way back but some things get priority first.

Time to pay it now before my car gets siezed, and then no money into the house if I have no car to get to work.

nicklauski

Could you not bring the form to your local Garda station to stamp to say it was off the road or you were out of the country.
Go back to the tax office
With said form and pay for just a normal year.

The amount of people that used to do it in Naas was unbelieveable.
A friend of mine used to tax his for 3 months. Tax it again after six months. Saying he was out of the country fir 3 months with work. So he got 12 months tax a year for the price of 6.

martinr5232

If you dont want to declare it off the road (I would by the way)

Transfere ownership to your spouse then tax it.

Cereal Killer

As i said my car can be tracked through Tollroads. 1 year is too much for saying the car has been off the road too, a month or two would be fine would 1 year is excessive.

Car is a daily driver, and it's on the road everyday, i really don want to declare it was off the road and have that come back to bite me.

I'm really confused about the arrears though. €700 arrears for the year is outragous on a car that costs less than that to tax for the year

Toyota_Avensis

Cereal Killer wrote: »

As i said my car can be tracked through Tollroads. 1 year is too much for saying the car has been off the road too, a month or two would be fine would 1 year is excessive.

Car is a daily driver, and it's on the road everyday, i really don want to declare it was off the road and have that come back to bite me.

I'm really confused about the arrears though. €700 arrears for the year is outragous on a car that costs less than that to tax for the year

Just declare it as off the road, at least then, you will have a chance of them not discovering it was off the road.
Your only other option is to go into the tax office to re-tax it and been asked to pay arrears.

demanufactured

martinr5232 wrote: »

If you dont want to declare it off the road (I would by the way)

Transfere ownership to your spouse then tax it.

What he said.

Graham_B18C

I've gotten off the road sheets stamped and they've never even looked into it.

Drummerboy08

Toyota_Avensis wrote: »

Just declare it as off the road, at least then, you will have a chance of them not discovering it was off the road.
Your only other option is to go into the tax office to re-tax it and been asked to pay arrears.

He's just said he goes through the tolls twice a day - making it very easy to be discovered by anyone who wants to look. Its a stupid idea to simply assume it wont be noticed.

Doing the change of ownership into your spouse's name sounds like a good idea, but does that spring a new problem - what happens when the tax office realise it hasnt been taxed for the last year when your wife goes to tax it? Will the revenue contact you to find out why, or will it be left tot slide?

Dave147

"Sell" the car to a relative, get them to tax it and they can mark New ownership on the RF100A form. Then you "buy" the car back off them and you've saved 700 quid, "Legally" :P

Big Nasty

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

He's just said he goes through the tolls twice a day - making it very easy to be discovered by anyone who wants to look. Its a stupid idea to simply assume it wont be noticed.

Doing the change of ownership into your spouse's name sounds like a good idea, but does that spring a new problem - what happens when the tax office realise it hasnt been taxed for the last year when your wife goes to tax it? Will the revenue contact you to find out why, or will it be left tot slide?

In fairness Drummer the Guarda stamp on the declaration is proof of the Guarda *wintenssing* YOU *declaring* that the car was off the road.

Drummerboy08

MCMLXXV wrote: »

In fairness Drummer the Guarda stamp on the declaration is proof of the Guarda *wintenssing* YOU *declaring* that the car was off the road.

Ah I know, but technically that means you'd be lying to a Garda too, or making a false declaration or whatever. It'd be very easy to get caught out if the OP got in a speeding ticket or any other traffic offense that could bring the tax issue to light.

It may not happen, but its a big risk to take IMO.

martinr5232

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

Ah I know, but technically that means you'd be lying to a Garda too, or making a false declaration or whatever. It'd be very easy to get caught out if the OP got in a speeding ticket or any other traffic offense that could bring the tax issue to light.

It may not happen, but its a big risk to take IMO.

In all fairness do you not think the guards have better things to be doing than checking whether the op has passed through a toll rd or if they got a speeding fine.

OP go to the Guards tell them it was off the rd if they ask why tell them it needed an engine and you couldnt afford one or tell them you were in England for a year tell them you were in outer space they wont care.

Big Nasty

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

Ah I know, but technically that means you'd be lying to a Garda too, or making a false declaration or whatever. It'd be very easy to get caught out if the OP got in a speeding ticket or any other traffic offense that could bring the tax issue to light.

It may not happen, but its a big risk to take IMO.

True but all he / she's doing is confirming that they witnessed your declaration. AFAIK they will not look in to this - maybe a Garda can confirm?

P.S. - I know it's not the right thing to do!

Cereal Killer

Could i just pay the arrears for the year only or something? i knew taking would be about 700 but 1500 is bordlerline lunacy. I just cant afford that.

JHMEG

Gardaí don't check anything. As said, they're not checking if you're lying, they're just witnessing a declaration.

Back tax is what you owe €61.40 a month (x 12 months). Or around €736

Cereal Killer

So i owe €736 for the year, not $1500? Just to clarify.

...and then 3 months work of tax on top to let me legal again?

JHMEG

That's correct.

martinr5232

Your options

1)Pay the arrears and tax for one year.

2)Declare the car off the road for a year and pay for your next years tax.

They are your options no body in the tax office is going to say ah dont worry about the last year sure we know ya would have paid it if you could.

Carstuck

As said before the guards just stamp it, they don't 'actually' check to see is it true or not. I've done it a few times TBH & never a problem!

-Chris-

Can everyone stop suggesting that the OP declare his car off the road for the last year?

a) it wasn't off the road
b) OP has said that they don't want to declare it off the road

End of.



OP, I'd think JHMEG's suggestion makes most sense at the moment.

Also, because the Motor Tax Office wants you to tax for a year at a time, they make it more expensive to tax for shorter periods (i.e. it's more expensive to tax for 3 months 4 times than pay for 12 months up front).
Same for arrears, the monthly amount is 1/10th of the annual rate rather than 1/12th, it's just the way it is...

Seth Brundle

martinr5232 wrote: »

In all fairness do you not think the guards have better things to be doing than checking whether the op has passed through a toll rd or if they got a speeding fine.

OP go to the Guards tell them it was off the rd if they ask why tell them it needed an engine and you couldnt afford one or tell them you were in England for a year tell them you were in outer space they wont care.

The gardai have several marked and unmarked ANPR units around the country which AFAIK they record (and store) details of all registrations scanned whether driving legally or illegally.
You won't get far these days without being input into the system a few times and to think that you haven't is rather naive!!
I'd also recommend that you and the others that encourage the OP to break the law to read this thread...

robtri

personally all I can say op is that you will need to bend over and use this... when they come looking for their money....

benj

:rolleyes:you should pay it

galwaytt

For clarity - and Chris' benefit - I am NOT suggesting you declare it off the road.

But I will say this, OP,

If you think there's some sort of joined-up thinking between a handwritten form, a girl in a Co Co office being offered (the next...) 12 month's tax, and anything even remotely like the Tag system.............you're overestimating the mechanism of the powers-that-be.

I say this prompted by watching Minority Report on Network 2 right now.....

-Chris-

galwaytt wrote: »

For clarity - and Chris' benefit - I am NOT suggesting you declare it off the road.

But I will say this, OP,

If you think there's some sort of joined-up thinking between a handwritten form, a girl in a Co Co office being offered (the next...) 12 month's tax, and anything even remotely like the Tag system.............you're overestimating the mechanism of the powers-that-be.

I say this prompted by watching Minority Report on Network 2 right now.....

Grrrr :mad:

If this "advice" were any more explicit, you'd be infracted right now...


Next person to advise (implicit or explicit) the mis-declaration of the OP's on-the-road status over the last year gets a week off.

Cereal Killer

I'm quite happy to go by the law 100%, but i needed clarification on what about I need to pay is the minimum.

Can I just pay arrears, or do I have to pay the arrears AND a minimum 3 months tax on top?

JHMEG

Cereal Killer wrote: »

I'm quite happy to go by the law 100%, but i needed clarification on what about I need to pay is the minimum.

Can I just pay arrears, or do I have to pay the arrears AND a minimum 3 months tax on top?

If you intend to keep driving on a public road you need to pay the arrears and 3 months minimum.

Big Nasty

Cereal Killer wrote: »

I'm quite happy to go by the law 100%, but i needed clarification on what about I need to pay is the minimum.

Can I just pay arrears, or do I have to pay the arrears AND a minimum 3 months tax on top?

In a word: YES

EPM

If you go in paying arrears you still have a car that isn't taxed. The minimum to be legal is arrears and 3 months new tax

R.O.R

Comes to €910 for 12 months arrears and 3 months tax for a 1901 - 2000cc car.

Cereal Killer

Crap.

JHMEG

In fairness it's not the loading on the arrears, it's because it's a 2L... Would still have cost you 800 odd for the same 12+3 month period if it had all been done on time. I'm amazed at how you managed to get away with it untaxed for a year!

Cereal Killer

I got stopped about 8 months ago, and was given a fine. But nothing since, maybe cause I live in the sticks and mostly use motorways.

mickdw

You are short of money, thats fair enough but I dont understand why you are complaining about the cost. It cost 600+ to tax your car doing everything properly for the year gone by. Do you think you should get a discount or something due to breaking the law. You certainly shouldnt. You are therefore being asked for €61 / month for each month not taxed as compared to just over €50 per month if you had taxed it on time. Thats a small penalty and pretty fair imo.
You will need to pay the arrears and 3 month new tax minimum.

Cereal Killer

True, it's my own fault. But when I first looked at the cost and assumed it was €1500, that's where I got worried. Hence my question on here to clarify the cost.

mickdw

fair enough.