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The Irish music industry - no support for its own?

  • 16-10-2009 11:34am
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 186 ✭✭


    I heard recently that some fella from Tralee is now one of the biggest selling artists in Germany, his name is "Antone" or something similar. It got me thinking about the serious lack of support for Irish bands and artists here. Antone had to find success in another country.

    Do we support international bands over oour own too much in Ireland? Who is responsible for lack of structure? The PPI? IMRO?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    David Hasselhoff was a huge-selling artist in Germany.

    Go figure.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,184 ✭✭✭✭Pighead


    Pighead is known around Dundalk as the King of Pop because of his unbelievable knowledge of music and he has never ever heard of this Antone lad. Have a feeling he doesn't exist. You've been had Da Funky Munky. Somebody has done you up like a kipper. There probably is no Antone and if there is he's probably a DJ in some backwater pub in Kerry.

    At the end of the day the reason more homegrown bands aren't successful in Ireland is because the majority of them are pants. Have faith in the power of the song Funky. If it's good enough it shall eventually spread its wings and soar.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭Genghiz Cohen


    I support bands that are good.
    I was once asked if I liked U2, when I said "No." the employable young man cried; "But they're Irish!"

    Should have drop-kicked him there and then.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,225 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    No point supporting any of them, given that when they get famous, they pay their taxes in another country.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    At the end of the day, no record company wants to end up being culpable for inadvertently releasing another Sawdoctor virus into the Irish music ecosystem.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,515 ✭✭✭✭admiralofthefleet


    IMRO only collects royalties on behalf of artists.
    irish music went shyte when joe dolan died


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,184 ✭✭✭✭Pighead


    ejmaztec wrote: »
    No point supporting any of them, given that when they get famous, they pay their taxes in another country.
    That's what they call tarring everybody with the same brush! Ridiculous in the extreme.

    It's like Pighead saying "No point in voting for any politicians as they are all lying, cheating, greedy chancers......"

    Actually no, maybe politicians isn't the best example to use. Hmmmm. Try horses Pighead, remember yer man in the olympics who got suspended because his horse was on drugs?

    You simply can't tar everybody with the same brush ejmaztec. It's like Pighead saying "No point in cheering on those Irish showjumping horses in the Olympics, sure they're all on drugs"

    You should always judge each person individually on his own merits, unless it's a synchronized swimming contest.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,342 ✭✭✭Long Onion


    Pighead wrote: »
    Pighead is known around Dundalk as the King of Pop because of his love of sleeping with little boys.

    Sorted that for you Pighead.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,807 ✭✭✭speedboatchase


    The only "rock" bands listeners of Spin, Fm104 etc have heard of are The Blizzards and The Coronas. Both are rubbish but get a huge amount of support purely because they're Irish so I completely disagree and I doubt this guy you mention is even that popular, we tend to overstate anyone's success abroad. Irish music is rubbish anyways


    p.s - Did a google, it's a German band with an Irish Singer called Reamonn


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,184 ✭✭✭✭Pighead


    Long Onion wrote: »
    When I wake up in the morning, my bum is all red and rashy and often a pus type liquid oozes out and destroys my Superted duvet. Any ideas as to what is causing this, Pighead?
    Sorry Long Onion, Pighead's field of expertise is in popular music, not arse sores. Probably best to consult your local doctor.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,894 ✭✭✭✭phantom_lord


    Pighead wrote: »
    Pighead is known around Dundalk as the King of Pop because of his unbelievable knowledge of music and he has never ever heard of this Antone lad. Have a feeling he doesn't exist. You've been had Da Funky Munky. Somebody has done you up like a kipper. There probably is no Antone and if there is he's probably a DJ in some backwater pub in Kerry.

    marcus?



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,342 ✭✭✭Long Onion


    Pighead wrote: »
    Now remember Blanket, if the policeman asks, it is only a game for special boys and only the King of pop gets to hide the sausage.

    Cheers for that Pighead, I'll call my GP immediately.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,243 ✭✭✭✭Jesus Wept


    Do we support international bands over oour own too much in Ireland? Who is responsible for lack of structure? The PPI? IMRO?

    Our own?!

    Fúck that. Support people on merit.
    I hate this 'our own' shit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,184 ✭✭✭✭Pighead


    Long Onion wrote: »
    I think the arse sores may be connected to me letting my pet hamsters sleep with me in the bed. They tend to snuggle up against my arse and nibble on the arse pimples us men tend to get as we approach our thirties. It sounds nasty but I kinda like it so I haven't done anything about it until now. The extra heat generated by the little rascals probably isn't helping either. Would you recommend me evicting the hamsters from the bedroom and returning them to the cage in the kitchen?
    As Pighead has already said Long Onion, his area of expertise is in the field of popular music. Not arse sores and certainly not hamsters. Perhaps a visit to your local veterinary surgeon may help?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,957 ✭✭✭Euro_Kraut


    Eh do we support Irish acts.. lets see:

    The Frames
    BellX1
    Damien Rice
    The Divine Comdey
    Lisa Hannigan
    The Saw Doctors
    Delosrentos
    Duke Special
    The Blizzards
    Kila

    All these bands make a living from the Irish scene. Place like Whelans in Dublin and the Rosin Dubh in Galway are full of Irish bands. I think it is very vibrant.

    We are under no obligation to automatically like Irish made music. But alot of it is quite good and Irish people gererally love live music.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,661 ✭✭✭General Zod


    Euro_Kraut wrote: »
    Eh do we support Irish acts.. lets see:

    The Frames
    BellX1
    Damien Rice
    Lisa Hannigan
    The Blizzards


    It seems being a Glen Hansard/Whelans crowd fanboy gets you far in the Irish Music industry.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,225 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    Pighead wrote: »
    That's what they call tarring everybody with the same brush! Ridiculous in the extreme.

    It's like Pighead saying "No point in voting for any politicians as they are all lying, cheating, greedy chancers......"

    Actually no, maybe politicians isn't the best example to use. Hmmmm. Try horses Pighead, remember yer man in the olympics who got suspended because his horse was on drugs?

    You simply can't tar everybody with the same brush ejmaztec. It's like Pighead saying "No point in cheering on those Irish showjumping horses in the Olympics, sure they're all on drugs"

    You should always judge each person individually on his own merits, unless it's a synchronized swimming contest.

    Very true Mr P.:p

    as for the synchronized swimming contest, if one of them was on drugs, it would make the rest of them look like they were also on something, because they wouldn't know what to do next, and would be floundering around like they'd just fallen off the Titanic.:eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,175 ✭✭✭cosmic


    Pighead wrote: »
    You simply can't tar everybody with the same brush ejmaztec. It's like Pighead saying "No point in cheering on those Irish showjumping horses in the Olympics, sure they're all on drugs"

    Although I hear they're all fiends for the old ketamine


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭Prof.Badass


    Many songs that are clearly below the international professional standard required to recieve mainstream radio airplay manage to fill the airways anyway, purely because they are irish bands and the stations want to seem "indie".

    :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,894 ✭✭✭✭phantom_lord


    Euro_Kraut wrote: »
    The Frames
    BellX1
    Damien Rice
    The Divine Comdey
    Lisa Hannigan
    The Saw Doctors
    Delosrentos
    Duke Special
    The Blizzards
    Kila

    hmmm. i think i see the problem now.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27 nirish


    The band you are talking about is Reamonn. Fronted by Ray Garvey from tralee.
    He has been on the european music circuit for almost 10 years and has a huge following.
    http://www.myspace.com/reamonncom
    http://www.reamonn.com/home.php
    http://www.reamonn.com/bandbio.php?lang=en

    He does support alot of irish band trying to break into european market and has opened a recording studio in kerry a few years ago.

    You have you give him credit for getting where he is now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,957 ✭✭✭Euro_Kraut


    hmmm. i think i see the problem now.


    Maybe you don't like them but you cannot dispute that pently of Irish people do. That kinda disproves the OP statment about Irish people not 'supporting their own'.


    I personally would not be a huge fan of all the bands I listed. Doesn't mean they are not very popular in Ireland though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,342 ✭✭✭Long Onion


    Pighead wrote: »
    I sure do know a huge amount about felching

    The vet it is - cheers.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,515 ✭✭✭✭admiralofthefleet


    Euro_Kraut wrote: »
    Eh do we support Irish acts.. lets see:

    The Frames
    BellX1
    Damien Rice
    The Divine Comdey
    Lisa Hannigan
    The Saw Doctors
    Delosrentos
    Duke Special
    The Blizzards
    Kila

    All these bands make a living from the Irish scene. Place like Whelans in Dublin and the Rosin Dubh in Galway are full of Irish bands. I think it is very vibrant.

    We are under no obligation to automatically like Irish made music. But alot of it is quite good and Irish people gererally love live music.


    collectively called 'the who?'


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Oh The Humanity


    the Irish 'music scene'.............zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,111 ✭✭✭Jesus Juice


    The amount of local bands in Ireland is crazy.It's surprising that Ireland isnt bursting with new bands every week.

    But we live in Ireland where nothing is ever done right and everything is shiote.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,339 ✭✭✭me-skywalker


    Ive first hand experience of the scene.

    Let me ask you all.. have you ever just randomly go out to a gigging venue to check out the bands? not bands that are 'famous' or semi-'big'.

    I mean just like venues like dorans, the village,the hub, slatterys etc etc...
    like just walk by a venue and see there's acts on and go in? NO!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,319 ✭✭✭MarkN


    First of all, Irish bands don't have a 'right' to airplay. If you've got the appeal that a station programmer is looking for that he/she feels will sound ok on their business then you'll get played. Secondly, a lot of it is loud, heavy, shyte that isn't suitable for a lot of stations - particularly hit music stations. Why does someone that tunes into the likes of the stations mentioned already in this thread want to hear a new Irish band they've never heard of? The answer is they don't.

    I am the head of music in a large Irish station and only yesterday met the Shoos after playing them for a couple of months, they couldn't have been more grateful for the support - just one example. What's more if you hate the Coronas, there's 100 other people that love them, if they were getting no airplay and deemed "cool" then you would probably like them, being a victim of your own success happens a lot in this country as once you do actually make it you're a 'sell-out' of some sort.

    I hear Phantom constantly doing their bit for Irish music, I hear uncovered unplugged gigs on many radio stations, but these Irish bands don't keep the stations afloat - the new single from Lady Gaga or Kings of Leon does.

    Maybe a lot of people don't understand the job of a radio station - to appeal to the biggest amount of audience you can to make the most amount of money you can. That's it, in a sentence.

    Your typical fan of Irish music that doesn't stretch as far as the success of the Coronas or The Blizzards probably doesn't even have the likes of 104, 98, Spin preset on their radio so why would stations even bother to try draw them when they know they won't be able to survive by playing the songs less people demand and dropping the ones they do want to hear in return?

    Just giving you the look of the world from inside. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 871 ✭✭✭gerTheGreat


    Pighead wrote: »
    You simply can't tar everybody with the same brush ejmaztec. It's like Pighead saying "No point in cheering on those Irish showjumping horses in the Olympics, sure they're all on drugs"

    Two example in the last few Olympics...Michelle Smith being the second. :D


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,918 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    It's been downhill all the way for the irish music scene since the demise of Hank Halfhead and the rambling turkeys.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,721 ✭✭✭✭CianRyan


    Stop listening to shíte Irish music.

    Find A Way - hardcore/poppunk
    Famine - hardcore
    Frustration - hardcore
    Forced Out - hardcore
    Red Enemy - Metalcore
    Hero In Error - Metalcore
    Home Star Runner - poppunk
    I Fight Crime - poppunk
    The Shower Scene - poppunk
    Downhill - poppunk
    Etcha - powerpop/rock/indie

    That's just a hand full from Dublin and partly Kildare alone.

    People saying Irish music is crap and only listening to what's on spin is probably the worst thing in the world.
    OPEN YOUR FCUKING EYES!!!
    There's so much going on in this country, so much talent, so many gigs and yes, we do have a lot of people in the music scene but not nearly enough.

    Get involved.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,048 ✭✭✭✭Snowie


    What so we can all sing the praise of the Paddy Casey..


    who bye the way SUCKS


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 432 ✭✭RealEstateKing


    The reason people dont support Irish acts is the same reason most people watch English football.

    Ireland is a small country and anything that comes from either of the two big English speaking countries we are sandwiched between is automatically gonna seem more glamourous and interesting.

    Im sure people who live somewhere comparable in population/importance to Ireland usually feel the same: Do you think people in Des Moines, Iowa only listen to Iowan music?

    Like us, they probably listen to SOME Iowan music, with most coming from elsewhere .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,807 ✭✭✭speedboatchase


    MarkN wrote: »
    First of all, Irish bands don't have a 'right' to airplay. If you've got the appeal that a station programmer is looking for that he/she feels will sound ok on their business then you'll get played. Secondly, a lot of it is loud, heavy, shyte that isn't suitable for a lot of stations - particularly hit music stations. Why does someone that tunes into the likes of the stations mentioned already in this thread want to hear a new Irish band they've never heard of? The answer is they don't.

    I am the head of music in a large Irish station and only yesterday met the Shoos after playing them for a couple of months, they couldn't have been more grateful for the support - just one example. What's more if you hate the Coronas, there's 100 other people that love them, if they were getting no airplay and deemed "cool" then you would probably like them, being a victim of your own success happens a lot in this country as once you do actually make it you're a 'sell-out' of some sort.

    I hear Phantom constantly doing their bit for Irish music, I hear uncovered unplugged gigs on many radio stations, but these Irish bands don't keep the stations afloat - the new single from Lady Gaga or Kings of Leon does.

    Maybe a lot of people don't understand the job of a radio station - to appeal to the biggest amount of audience you can to make the most amount of money you can. That's it, in a sentence.

    Your typical fan of Irish music that doesn't stretch as far as the success of the Coronas or The Blizzards probably doesn't even have the likes of 104, 98, Spin preset on their radio so why would stations even bother to try draw them when they know they won't be able to survive by playing the songs less people demand and dropping the ones they do want to hear in return?

    Just giving you the look of the world from inside. :)

    Can your station play some Phoenix? I love them and wanna be able to listen to them drifting around in the background during work. Ta


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 444 ✭✭franklyshocked


    I'm all for building a better Irish music industry

    See:
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=62569404#post62569404

    Tickets are free but must be ordered from the box office


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,918 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    THE REDNECK MANIFESTO.

    Best Irish Band Ever.

    It's not all bad


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 108 ✭✭Sorry


    Go on the Warlords of Pez!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    orourkeda wrote: »
    THE REDNECK MANIFESTO.

    Best Irish Band Ever.

    It's not all bad

    They are a poor man's Mogwai. Ireland has produced many great bands & will do in the future... unfortunately there's also a lot of terrible acts inbetween. As with any product, if the quality is there, people will buy it.

    People will also buy utter rubbish, but that's just my opinion.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    Sorry wrote: »
    Go on the Warlords of Pez!

    +1. And I'll raise you a Hoovers & Sledgehammers.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,918 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    They are a poor man's Mogwai. Ireland has produced many great bands & will do in the future... unfortunately there's also a lot of terrible acts inbetween. As with any product, if the quality is there, people will buy it.

    People will also buy utter rubbish, but that's just my opinion.

    They're not that bad.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,041 ✭✭✭Havermeyer


    If they were any use people would support them. I'm fairly sure that people don't just disregard Irish bands because they are Irish

    Irish bands do appear to have a small following, but that's largely due to the fact they support each other, and are also supported by friends and family. The reason it rarely goes beyond this type of following is that they just don't cut it.

    Simple as.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    orourkeda wrote: »
    They're not that bad.

    I wasn't saying that THEY were terrible, but that there are a lot of terrible Irish bands.

    Though, they still are a poor man's Mogwai. If Mogwai hadn't come into existence, Red Neck would've simply copied some other band / genre.

    Again, it's just my opinion.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,434 ✭✭✭DigiGal


    You should have gone to HWCH this weekend OP :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,918 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    I wasn't saying that THEY were terrible, but that there are a lot of terrible Irish bands.

    Though, they still are a poor man's Mogwai. If Mogwai hadn't come into existence, Red Neck would've simply copied some other band / genre.

    Again, it's just my opinion.

    Every band must copy someone at this stage. Surely there cant be many genres that havent been invented yet


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    I don't thin Irish bands are as concerned with being mega famous as other countries they don't rate their worth as being popular like in other countries many have a loyal following and rely mostly on gigging.
    MarkN wrote: »
    First of all, Irish bands don't have a 'right' to airplay. If you've got the appeal that a station programmer is looking for that he/she feels will sound ok on their business then you'll get played. Secondly, a lot of it is loud, heavy, shyte that isn't suitable for a lot of stations - particularly hit music stations. Why does someone that tunes into the likes of the stations mentioned already in this thread want to hear a new Irish band they've never heard of? The answer is they don't.

    I am the head of music in a large Irish station and only yesterday met the Shoos after playing them for a couple of months, they couldn't have been more grateful for the support - just one example. What's more if you hate the Coronas, there's 100 other people that love them, if they were getting no airplay and deemed "cool" then you would probably like them, being a victim of your own success happens a lot in this country as once you do actually make it you're a 'sell-out' of some sort.

    I hear Phantom constantly doing their bit for Irish music, I hear uncovered unplugged gigs on many radio stations, but these Irish bands don't keep the stations afloat - the new single from Lady Gaga or Kings of Leon does.

    Maybe a lot of people don't understand the job of a radio station - to appeal to the biggest amount of audience you can to make the most amount of money you can. That's it, in a sentence.

    Your typical fan of Irish music that doesn't stretch as far as the success of the Coronas or The Blizzards probably doesn't even have the likes of 104, 98, Spin preset on their radio so why would stations even bother to try draw them when they know they won't be able to survive by playing the songs less people demand and dropping the ones they do want to hear in return?

    Just giving you the look of the world from inside. :)
    Irish radio plays syhte to appeal to young teeny boppers. Irish radio is only worth listening to for talk radio but my god the music has been steadily going down hill lately. I just can't listen to the radio past 12 o'clock any more because it's just mindless tripe trying to emulate the popular radio in the UK. UK radio is some of the most boring, middle of the road crap I've ever heard in my life.

    It's a sorry state of affairs when radio employees think their bland, middle of the road conformity is a badge of honer, you've basically said Irish radio is completely corporate with no interest in good music, just products that can be feed to gullible teenage girls that have carte blanche on daddies wallet.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    orourkeda wrote: »
    Every band must copy someone at this stage. Surely there cant be many genres that havent been invented yet

    That's very true - every band copies someone else, but it's how you exploit the genre or the band you are copying & what you add to it that is new that counts.

    My Bloody Valentine knocked around for years, playing twee indie music until they discovered Sonic Youth... they "exploded" onto the scene with "You Made Me Realise", which nicked completely the riff from Sonic Youth's "Silver Rocket", but that was irrelevant, because to the mix they added not only melody, but a sexy female hushed vocal, them buried it all in the mix. Hey presto - music legends.

    Red Neck never did that & are just a shadow band because of it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,434 ✭✭✭DigiGal


    I'm quite fond of

    Sixteen Layers
    The Angel Pier
    Dirty 9s
    and this deadly band I recently discovered at this night called Revolver...
    House of Cosy cushions....they should be huge, they are brilliant but ahven't been recognised and get little or no airplay.
    Phantom continuously play the same ****e.....Fight Like Apes etc..
    Ah remember the days when it was a pirate station and they supported homegrown music.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    Star Belgrade kick ass. (sound of tumbleweed blowing !)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,434 ✭✭✭DigiGal


    Star Belgrade kick ass. (sound of tumbleweed blowing !)
    I'll check yis out lol


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,508 ✭✭✭ElaElaElano


    Tin hat at the ready here, but the bands here who 'make it' are shíte. U2, Bell-X1, Aslan, Ash, I think they're all rubbish.

    The decent ones like the redneck manifesto never really push on- although maybe by their own wish.


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