Garmin users virtual 5km park run

Woddle

Again just another idea, I can't see this one being as popular but sure you never know.
We race against each other using our own courses and using our garmins for accuracy.
Example tomorrow we race over 5k and we then post our times at 10 pm on said thread.
Now I'm not saying to do it tomorrow but is there any interest in doing this in the future and making it a regular thing. It could also be handicapped, you get cut a min or added a min according to your most recent performance.
I feel it's time to make training fun
Any thoughts

TFBubendorfer

Prizes? Age Groups? Goody Bags?

hunnymonster

That's right TFB, let's get the important stuff sorted first.;) Potentially yes, I'd be interested in this (I know a lovely downhill 5 km course!) but I'd like a bit more than 24 hours notice (and maybe not the week before a marathon also)

Gringo78

Would have to apply corrections for elevation....I've got a great 5km route from my door which is mostly downhill Maybe even positive as well as negative corrections to allow our hill running friends partake without being handicapped too much on their mountainous routes?

tunney

TFBubendorfer wrote: »

Prizes? Age Groups? Goody Bags?

€50 entry fee. A percentage of the entry fee will go to charity.


(percentage is 0%)

Sosa

Yeah,i would get involved there...but you wouldnt be going flat out.
You would be like some lunatic...racing down main roads on your own in the night,with your tongue hanging out.

Woddle

Sosa wrote: »

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You would be like some lunatic...racing down main roads on your own in the night,with your tongue hanging out.

That you would but you may still end up going flat out as you don't know how fast Robinph has gone for example as you don't put your results up till that night and also it would be up to you to find the fairest route around your area, I for one could start up in the hellfire club and head down to buglers approx 5k

plodder

tunney wrote: »

€50 entry fee. A percentage of the entry fee will go to charity.


(percentage is 0%)

Yep. And can I defer till next week, if I can't make it?

tunney

plodder wrote: »

Yep. And can I defer till next week, if I can't make it?

Sorry, early bird entries have now closed. Its 70 euro now.

Krusty_Clown

If it's for €50, can I do it on my bicycle, and not tell anyone?

You know what could also be interesting:
Save a course on your Garmin, and share it with others. Challenge them to beat your time. Garmins allow you to upload a route to the watch, and race against your previous performance.

Would have to be popular central locations, like Phoenix Park, Marlay Park, etc.
You could use the Wiki to store a hall of fame, where others can download the course and try and beat it at ther leisure.

Woddle

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

If it's for €50, can I do it on my bicycle, and not tell anyone?

You know what could also be interesting:
Save a course on your Garmin, and share it with others. Challenge them to beat your time. Garmins allow you to upload a route to the watch, and race against your previous performance.

Would have to be popular central locations, like Phoenix Park, Marlay Park, etc.
You could use the Wiki to store a hall of fame, where others can download the course and try and beat it at ther leisure.

I like the way you think, I'll get started on Marlay, running around the outside is 2 miles.

osnola ibax

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

If it's for €50, can I do it on my bicycle, and not tell anyone?

You know what could also be interesting:
Save a course on your Garmin, and share it with others. Challenge them to beat your time. Garmins allow you to upload a route to the watch, and race against your previous performance.

Would have to be popular central locations, like Phoenix Park, Marlay Park, etc.
You could use the Wiki to store a hall of fame, where others can download the course and try and beat it at ther leisure.

Ah yeah, culchies excluded again, we have heard of sahelie navigayshun down here aswell ye know

Woddle

osnola ivax wrote: »

Ah yeah, culchies excluded again, we have heard of sahelie navigayshun down here aswell ye know

So now we have a couple of options, race against past users of a saved route or the weekly race over a set distance.

osnola ibax

Woddle wrote: »

So now we have a couple of options, race against past users of a saved route or the weekly race over a set distance.

happy again, woohoo

ronanmac

I think that with the nature of this forum, in creating a running community from all over the country and further afield, it would be more in keeping, and more culchie-inclusive (!), if we could all compete a set distance from wherever we are based. Cracking idea, an incentive not to completely "let go" after the marathon!

shels4ever

Sounds like a good idea , maybe do it in cycles so everyone has say 4-5 weeks to get it done, that way more people could have it as part of a training plan , So a TT ever 4-5 week might work for some people. Could run a league over a few months where you best 4 count.

Nice idea again, once it doesnt mess with training

robinph

I'm liking this idea.

Now to think of a route where I don't have to worry about crossing any roads, traffic lights or too many pedestrians getting in my way...

osnola ibax

Could we use some of the elevation data to ensure that we stay within certain elevation parameters I.e. No 200 foot drops, folk outside the parameters will be dq'd

robinph

Woddle wrote: »

That you would but you may still end up going flat out as you don't know how fast Robinph has gone for example as you don't put your results up till that night and also it would be up to you to find the fairest route around your area, I for one could start up in the hellfire club and head down to buglers approx 5k

I'd certainly be going flat out for this.

We'd need to have something like only making your run visible on Garmin Connect after X O'Clock on specified day, but the run would need to be visible to count. You can create a workout in Training Centre, about the only thing it is useful for, and set it to stop after you've done the required distance.

Edit: You can actually export the training workouts as well so that everyone is doing the same thing:
Boards Virtual 5km Race

Woddle

I wouldn't limit it to every 4/5 weeks but I do like the league table idea.
A thread could be started at the start of the week regarding what distance and who and then you log your time on said thread at the end of week.
A handicap system would be very easy to do.
Your handicap would be based on your mcmillan predicted 5k time 20 being scratch. So Woddles p5k time is 22 mins so my handicap is minus 2 mins. Slogger joggers p5k is 18 mins so his handicap is plus 2 mins, now those handicaps can be applied to any distance by using Salzaars conversion factors:
5 miles is 0.602
10k is .478
15k is .309
10 miles is .284 (We can work out the 1 mile, 2 mile factors later)

So if slogger and woddle decide to race over 5 miles, the following handicaps would apply
2 mins=120 seconds divide by .602 =199 seconds so Slogger now has a handicap of plus 3:19 and I have a handicap of minus 3:19.
Seems a fair way and should make for interesting reading at the top of the table and improvers would be rewarded with a dropping handicap

TJC

NOW I KNOW UR ALL MAD ON HERE!!!:):):)

rainbow kirby

TJC wrote: »

NOW I KNOW UR ALL MAD ON HERE!!!:):):)

You're only realising this now? :pac:

TFBubendorfer

Woddle wrote: »

I wouldn't limit it to every 4/5 weeks but I do like the league table idea.
A thread could be started at the start of the week regarding what distance and who and then you log your time on said thread at the end of week.
A handicap system would be very easy to do.
Your handicap would be based on your mcmillan predicted 5k time 20 being scratch. So Woddles p5k time is 22 mins so my handicap is minus 2 mins. Slogger joggers p5k is 18 mins so his handicap is plus 2 mins, now those handicaps can be applied to any distance by using Salzaars conversion factors:
5 miles is 0.602
10k is .478
15k is .309
10 miles is .284 (We can work out the 1 mile, 2 mile factors later)

So if slogger and woddle decide to race over 5 miles, the following handicaps would apply
2 mins=120 seconds divide by .602 =199 seconds so Slogger now has a handicap of plus 3:19 and I have a handicap of minus 3:19.
Seems a fair way and should make for interesting reading at the top of the table and improvers would be rewarded with a dropping handicap

I'm sure you lost at least half the group now. :eek:
Just let's all race the same distance and compare the times, FFS!

meathcountysec

Woddle wrote: »

I wouldn't limit it to every 4/5 weeks but I do like the league table idea.
A thread could be started at the start of the week regarding what distance and who and then you log your time on said thread at the end of week.
A handicap system would be very easy to do.
Your handicap would be based on your mcmillan predicted 5k time 20 being scratch. So Woddles p5k time is 22 mins so my handicap is minus 2 mins. Slogger joggers p5k is 18 mins so his handicap is plus 2 mins, now those handicaps can be applied to any distance by using Salzaars conversion factors:
5 miles is 0.602
10k is .478
15k is .309
10 miles is .284 (We can work out the 1 mile, 2 mile factors later)

So if slogger and woddle decide to race over 5 miles, the following handicaps would apply
2 mins=120 seconds divide by .602 =199 seconds so Slogger now has a handicap of plus 3:19 and I have a handicap of minus 3:19.
Seems a fair way and should make for interesting reading at the top of the table and improvers would be rewarded with a dropping handicap

To complicate even further, run as a series of head-to-head handicapped races, with home and away fixtures ("home athlete" chooses distance) and have a Boards Premiership league. Points for beating their handicap, bonus for "away" win etc...

My heads starting to spin now....

robinph

Get people taking part before we over confuse matters with who can think up the most obscure ways of comparing results.

shels4ever

robinph wrote: »

Get people taking part before we over confuse matters with who can think up the most obscure ways of comparing results.

(Distance/time)/(%heart rate ) * (course index) = X

Corse index = been based on the total climb during the run which can be a - value
%heart rate = would allow people doing tempo runs to be involved too ...

robinph

Hmmm, a chance of winning the race by walking round and keeping a really low HR.

nerraw1111

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

If it's for €50, can I do it on my bicycle, and not tell anyone?

You know what could also be interesting:
Save a course on your Garmin, and share it with others. Challenge them to beat your time. Garmins allow you to upload a route to the watch, and race against your previous performance.

Would have to be popular central locations, like Phoenix Park, Marlay Park, etc.
You could use the Wiki to store a hall of fame, where others can download the course and try and beat it at ther leisure.

Great idea. Be a great way of finding new routes around your locality

Woddle

Ok forget the second half of the thread (roughly where TFB says I lost half of yee )
With the success of park runs in the UK. Could we create our own virtual 5km park runs? and keep it simple and just race.

robinph

No reason why there shouldn't be a parkrun around the Phoenix Park every week...but start small and just get people "racing" a 5km every week first. Then think about contacting the guys up in Belfast to see how to go about setting up a race.

ocnoc

Road or "XC" 5km in the park?

(Fastest descent in the country is off of Camaderry to Glendalough... 4.7k with 550m of the vertical stuff in negative direction, knocked 40sec off my 3km time on route down :P fast times guaranteed)

Brianderunner

robinph wrote: »

No reason why there shouldn't be a parkrun around the Phoenix Park every week...but start small and just get people "racing" a 5km every week first. Then think about contacting the guys up in Belfast to see how to go about setting up a race.

http://www.parkrun.com/about/startyourownevent

One started beside me last week. I could ask them whats involved if ye're serious about this when the time comes. It seems quite a big time commitment every Sat morning so look before you leap. If there's enough volunteers it would be ok though. It's about time Dublin got one of these.

I reckon the HR stats should have to accompany this "virtual" race, that would wipe out cheating as regards bikes and taking it easy one week to get a nice handicap mark, etc. Great idea btw.

Woddle

Brianderunner wrote: »

I reckon the HR stats should have to accompany this "virtual" race, that would wipe out cheating as regards bikes and taking it easy one week to get a nice handicap mark, etc. Great idea btw.

Maybe doing it over a week instead of picking one day and logging your time in a table and sorting your own finishing position by time, then at Sunday midnight the table gets reset and we start again.
This flexibility might help get more numbers involved and it won't interfere with peoples weekend long runs and other stuff.

robinph

5km has to be run between Thursday morning and Sunday evening. Keep running until your Garmin says 5km (or 3.1 miles for the old skool),
Garmin activity has to be linked to, so need to make it public and best to not start from your own front door.
Post link to Garmin activity and time by the following Wednesday(?).

Imaginary medals for the winners.


Simples.

Need to allow time for people to upload, but also for people to do the run of course. Doing the run over a week and then allowing time for people to upload would have things overlapping and quickly get messy.

Woddle

So a 5km to be run in either training or race conditions under a fair course. Your garmin must show 5km for it to count. This could be fun.
Sample table

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robinph

Think I'll give this a go tonight, just trying to think of a loop for me to do somewhere round here.

BeepBeep67

robinph wrote: »

5km has to be run between Thursday morning and Sunday evening. Keep running until your Garmin says 5km (or 3.1 miles for the old skool),
Garmin activity has to be linked to, so need to make it public and best to not start from your own front door.
Post link to Garmin activity and time by the following Wednesday(?).

Imaginary medals for the winners.


Simples.

Need to allow time for people to upload, but also for people to do the run of course. Doing the run over a week and then allowing time for people to upload would have things overlapping and quickly get messy.

3.108 - no short courses for this one , does it have to be a Thurs - Sun when the US are not conducting covert ops to ensure a greater chance of GPS accuracy

Woddle

BeepBeep67 wrote: »

3.108 - no short courses for this one , does it have to be a Thurs - Sun when the US are not conducting covert ops to ensure a greater chance of GPS accuracy

I'd still be a fan of the week and if you havn't logged your run by Sunday midnight - tough crap.

I knew there was more to the fact that everyone had garmin trouble over the weekend

robinph

Woddle wrote: »

I'd still be a fan of the week and if you havn't logged your run by Sunday midnight - tough crap.

I knew there was more to the fact that everyone had garmin trouble over the weekend

I was just thinking in terms of people may not be by a computer to upload immediately after doing the run, or may not want to disclose the time they did on a Saturday for instance, knowing that someone else then knowing their time can still go out and thrash their time on the Sunday. Having a couple of days to post the time up, but when nobody else can get out to try and beat you.

Whatever way though this is one time when Woddle is NOT allowed to come up with extra daft rules or ideas. Keep it simple.

Woddle

robinph wrote: »

Whatever way though this is one time when Woddle is NOT allowed to come up with extra daft rules or ideas. Keep it simple.

The rules are only ever concocted there to increase my chances of winning sth

Yep simple is best, I'll post my donore time on Saturday and for next week I've already got a flat route in mind.

menoscemo

Woddle wrote: »

The rules are only ever concocted there to increase my chances of winning sth

Yep simple is best, I'll post my donore time on Saturday and for next week I've already got a flat route in mind.

Hey woddle, going to sound harsh here, but you are now training for a 10k, a HM, a Marathon, an 800m and planning to do a weekly 5k timetrial. Are you sure all this is a good idea? Is trying to do everything at once not what caused you to lose focus and quit training last time out? I'd imagine you'd be better off sticking to one goal at a time...

Woddle

menoscemo wrote: »

Hey woddle, going to sound harsh here, but you are now training for a 10k, a HM, a Marathon, an 800m and planning to do a weekly 5k timetrial. Are you sure all this is a good idea? Is trying to do everything at once not what caused you to lose focus and quit training last time out? I'd imagine you'd be better off sticking to one goal at a time...

Appreciate that meno but don't be worrying. 10km is the focus and I won't be racing a 5km every week but I do plan on adding tempos and this thread would be ideal for tracking progress.
The 800 meters is just for fun though and maybe in July I'll have a weekly session for the 800 meters as the 10 km will be over by then.
So overall it's not as bad as it might look. Last week I ran 37 miles and only 4 of them were done fast, the other 31 was all mostly easy (forgot about the windy mountain running).

When you call tomorrow I'll show you my beautiful rough work and the logic behind it

DogSlySmile

Cool idea. I was up for the last "virtual challenge" http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=68750064

But as woddle rightly predicted, it died a death . Seems like theres a lot more interest this time, maybe because its warmer now and the last challenge was in october/november.

Maybe there could be an offshoot to this thread like an individual 5M, 10K, 10M etc challenge thread?

robinph

ART virtual 5km race - week 1
Name|Time|Category|Garmin link
robinph|19:32|M35|Garmin
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Woddle

Good start looks a decent course aswell.

outforarun

I like this idea a lot. Tapering for Cork so have to resist for now. But I could see a 5K TT becoming part of my Frank Duffy training.

robinph

Woddle wrote: »

Good start looks a decent course aswell.

About 50/ 50 dirt track/ tarmac, bit of up, bit of down and only a couple of dogs got in my way. Was trying to find a route where I didn't have to cross any roads, so the handy foot bridge over the busy one was handy.

JosDel

ART virtual 5km race - week 1
Name|Time|Category|Garmin link
robinph|19:32|M35|Garmin
JosDel|24:26|M45|Garmin
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90 seconds off my race pace...

Woddle

Well done josdel, looks like a nice flat course. Was there much traffic to dodge?

JosDel

Woddle wrote: »

Well done josdel, looks like a nice flat course. Was there much traffic to dodge?

Traffic was Ok, but ran into a lot of late road and path works on east wall road just after the tunnel entrance..

Thanks for removing the quotes woddle

Woddle

ART virtual 5km race - week 1
Name|Time|Category|Garmin link
robinph|19:32|M35|Garmin
Woddle|23:07|M|Garmin
JosDel|24:26|M45|Garmin
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