Bartholomew Ahern: a complete zero or still a hero?

Rebelheart

Just trying to get an idea of any remaining support for Patrick Bartholomew Ahern.

Personally I hate the b@stard. I can't stand the lying, deceitful blank cheque writing reprehensilbe little man who accepted ten of thousands in cash from a businessman as well as a large house in Drumcondra. All for no reason - mar dhea. These are just some of the established facts to date. Bertieland reeks of corruption, shady deals and cronyism - all dressed up in "I'm one of the lads" rubbish which far too many ignorami are willing to accept at face value. He is not one of "us", and hasn't been since long before the last century ended.

His appointment of that arch unstable sycophant Eoghan Harris - what has he ever done for Irish society? - to Seanad Éireann as a reward for defending him on the Late Late was the ultimate two fingers. Harris is now receiving @ €100,000 in salary and expenses in that pointless institution for doing, well, nothing but ranting and raving. Yes, dear PAYE taxpayer, that is where some of your money is going.

And if Ahern succeeded in his aim to establish an "honours" system in this state you can be absolutely certain that Harris would be something like Lord Harris of Monkstown. Same with Lord Paddy the Plasterer and the rest of them.

What sort of morons in Dublin Central elect Patrick Bartholomew Ahern? And are these people just as thick and morally redundant as those who elect Michael Lowry, Beverely Cooper Flynn and John O'Donoghue?

Blackhorse Slim

Bertie's a bigger crook than CJH. And that is saying something.

mikom

Rebelheart wrote: »

Patrick Bartholomew Ahern: a complete zero or still a hero?

Patrick Bartholomew Ahern, a complete topic for the politics section.

Euro_Kraut

He should be prosecuted by the full force of the law

I thinks if fantasitc(illy corrupt)

admiralofthefleet

He should be prosecuted by the full force of the law

jack the lad

orourkeda

Greatest Taoiseach ever & hope he runs for President

Arrogant and Self Serving.

Nothing this man does will help redeem him in my eyes.

GavRedKing

He should be prosecuted by the full force of the law

1 positive option versus 2 negative?

Anyway, he couldnt be any worse then the current lot at least he had the ability to get of office before the brown stuff hit the fan

Pighead

Rubbish poll! You say you want to find out if there is any remaining support for Ahern yet the only positive poll option is "greatest taoiseach ever" You haven't represented the "I think he's an alright lad" "I think he was a good leader yet ultimately flawed" or the "I don't cares". Pighead thinks your poll is flawed corrupt arrogant and self serving. Just like Bertie.

stovelid

Greatest Taoiseach ever & hope he runs for President

You forgot the following option:

Sound *wink* when I had a few quid in my pocket; hateful when he started clawing the money back.

mickdw

I think you should be referring to him as President Ahern. You might as well get used to it now. Just think. Bertie thought it ok to come on the Late Late and laugh & joke about must of the terrible stuff that he & CJH were upto. We are only 1 year on from when he ran from office. Another 2 years and he will be thinking of himself as squeeky clean again and sadly he will be president if FF nominate him.

ejmaztec

mickdw wrote: »

I think you should be referring to him as President Ahern. You might as well get used to it now. Just think. Bertie thought it ok to come on the Late Late and laugh & joke about must of the terrible stuff that he & CJH were upto. We are only 1 year on from when he ran from office. Another 2 years and he will be thinking of himself as squeeky clean again and sadly he will be president if FF nominate him.

I prefer the old-fashioned South American way of dealing with "Presidents" of his calibre.

walshb

As a person, Bertie is just a typical Dub, with a touch of the bowsy or rogue.
Now, is this to be admired? As a world leader, I would say NO. As a person, that's a different question.

When he was on form, Ahern could be a magnificent speaker and deliverer of speeches, and when he wasn't on form, usually when rattled, he was a plain gouger and complete embarrassment. It was one or the other with Ahern.

He had so many silly moments and many good moments, but when he was bad, he was bad!

I really went off Ahern when the nascent details about his finances emerged.
When he started using his family, (wife and daughters) as some sort of
tool to garner sympathy; to me, this was low. I know some gullible sods fell
for it, but the man was a top ranking Minister and was trying to make out
that he was destitute?:rolleyes:

I saw him last week on the Late Late, and more of the same waffle and rhetoric he was
spewing.

I suppose you could use many words to describe Ahern.

Clever, shrewd, cunning, approachable, scheming, manipulative, deceiving, "forgetful,"
short tempered, and at times, illiterate!

Take your pick...

Fat_Fingers

Greatest Taoiseach ever & hope he runs for President

not great poll... Atari Jaguar is missing as option.

anbrutog

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/1012/1224256436481.html

Unbelievable some of the lobotomised cretins loose in this country.

phasers

He should be prosecuted by the full force of the law

lol Bartholomew


I clicked all the answers hee hee

Jesus Wept

He should be prosecuted by the full force of the law

i like ticking boxes

Kipperhell

Here is an actual picture Bertie painted. A goose standing over a broken golden egg. I think it says a lot.

cornbb

I'm confounded by the 10 people (so far) who have expressed pro-Bertie feelings. Assuming they aren't joking, and assuming they weren't personally exchanging brown envelopes with Bertie, I think they should be checked out for Stockholm Syndrome.

Blazer

Greatest Taoiseach ever & hope he runs for President

cornbb wrote: »

I'm confounded by the 10 people (so far) who have expressed pro-Bertie feelings. Assuming they aren't joking, and assuming they weren't personally exchanging brown envelopes with Bertie, I think they should be checked out for Stockholm Syndrome.

I think we should kill them. It's 10 less idiots to vote for Bertie as President.

SEPT 23 1989

Greatest Taoiseach ever & hope he runs for President

Bertie is the Bang Bang of 21st century Dublin

dasdog

He assisted doing a deal with the religious orders to provide protection against compensation claims made by former children who were physically, emotionally and sexually abused by these orders.

He effectively ran the country on a credit card from 2002-2007 and bloated the public service to get the vote of the Unions.

He told people warning of the impending dangers of government economic policy that they should commit suicide.

He assisted driving some young people in to negative equity by championing house price inflation leaving them with a life of debt straddled around their necks.

He consistently tells lies, among other things, about his own personal finances and when he was minister for finance did not even have a bank account ffs!

He is a lying deceitful snake but some people cannot see through this as the FF cancer is so advanced in their minds.

Aidric

He should be prosecuted by the full force of the law

phasers wrote: »

lol Bartholomew

I have an uncle called Bartholomew. Show some fcukin respect.

Villain

Greatest Taoiseach ever & hope he runs for President

Oh I loved to say what I really want to say but sadly Boards doesn't allow.

He will meet his judgement day one day.

phasers

He should be prosecuted by the full force of the law

Aidric wrote: »

I have an uncle called Bartholomew. Show some fcukin respect.

your uncle has a silly name

thomond2006

He should be prosecuted by the full force of the law

Bertie's a hero because he's a complete zero.

book smarts

He was, and is, an international embarassment

orourkeda

Greatest Taoiseach ever & hope he runs for President

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Bertie is the Bang Bang of 21st century Dublin

Bang Bang shoots the buses with his golden key

The_Kew_Tour

I go as far to say I think he was even more ruthless **** then Margaret Thatcher

schween

Greatest Taoiseach ever & hope he runs for President

Never once voted for the man or his colleagues. At every general election I was amazed at how short a memory some people had and how easily bought they were.

Bertie makes lots of promises. Bertie gets elected. Bertie fails on promises. People get angry.
Bertie makes more promises as the next election looms. Bertie gets elected again. Bertie fails on promises. People are angry. He makes more promises as election looms. Bertie gets elected again. Great formula.
After using this formula successfully for a third time (or was there a fourth) Bertie leaves office...shortly after, economic crash. FF voters wonder how this happened.

2012: FF make lots of promises. Enough people get excited to keep them in power...etc etc

asdasd

I never voted for the man. Nor even FF in local or national elections ( I suppose that goes without saying as I couldnt vote for him personally unless I were in his constituency).

I think I threw a second preference at Brian Crowley, for europe. So thats my entire FF voting record.

Nevertheless, I think Bertie is being held responsible for the bubble by people who were to stupid to realise it was a bubble at the time.

Euro_Kraut

He should be prosecuted by the full force of the law

cornbb wrote: »

I'm confounded by the 10 people (so far) who have expressed pro-Bertie feelings. Assuming they aren't joking, and assuming they weren't personally exchanging brown envelopes with Bertie, I think they should be checked out for Stockholm Syndrome.

I voted for him for the criac. Someone always trots out the 'I can't believe people voted for X!, line.

You were a pawn in my fiendish plot.....

The worst Taioseach the country has ever had.

A fraud.

twinytwo

looking at him on the late late show a few weeks back, if hadnt known who he was its was impossible not to like him... i dont know how he does it.. he started off as a great politician... he however was one of the main reasons we are in the trouble we are in. But like all the others he lost his back bone... for those who say he was worse than haughey ye must be daft.. Haughey was the one that started all the corruption and other BS.. he was the one telling the people of this country that we were living way beyond our means all well and good for a man who could fly to france and paris for hand made suits... if memory serves me he married sean lamass' daughter and lamass said the haughtey would never set foot in leinster house as long as he was in power and he didnt.. lamass could see what a corrupt and vial man he was.

Mossy Monk

Greatest Taoiseach ever & hope he runs for President

No option for "I think Bertie Ahern is a thieving ****". He was touring the airwaves yesterday promoting his book. Why was he not doing his job as a TD? I hate him and wouldn't care less if he died in the morning.

funk-you

Greatest Taoiseach ever & hope he runs for President

Bertie can suck a fart clean out of my ass. Theiving f*ck.

-Funk

Joey the lips

Is it illegal to call the man a [EMAIL="w@nker"]w@nker[/EMAIL]? Becuase I tell you any man that has spent as long as he has in the couts then trys to convince us he did all he did cause the "Boss" told him to is nothing but an ass!

Sam Kade

They are interviewing idiots on 96fm now that were at his book signing in cork yesterday. The majority seem to be old women that think he done nothing wrong and that he is a saint. Are these fcuking idiots stupid or something. His car got egged though.

ElaElaElano

Greatest Taoiseach ever & hope he runs for President

mikom wrote: »

Patrick Bartholomew Ahern, a complete topic for the politics section.

If I said no backseat modding, would that be backseat modding on the back of backseat moderation?

scoile

It seems 130% of people have a view on this..

ednwireland

Greatest Taoiseach ever & hope he runs for President

Bartie (correct name ) is a crook no more, no less, at least CJH had something to show for it

FlutterinBantam

Greatest Taoiseach ever & hope he runs for President

Rebelheart wrote: »

Just trying to get an idea of any remaining support for Patrick Bartholomew Ahern.

Personally I hate the b@stard. I can't stand the lying, deceitful blank cheque writing reprehensilbe little man who accepted ten of thousands in cash from a businessman as well as a large house in Drumcondra. All for no reason - mar dhea. These are just some of the established facts to date. Bertieland reeks of corruption, shady deals and cronyism - all dressed up in "I'm one of the lads" rubbish which far too many ignorami are willing to accept at face value. He is not one of "us", and hasn't been since long before the last century ended.

His appointment of that arch unstable sycophant Eoghan Harris - what has he ever done for Irish society? - to Seanad Éireann as a reward for defending him on the Late Late was the ultimate two fingers. Harris is now receiving @ €100,000 in salary and expenses in that pointless institution for doing, well, nothing but ranting and raving. Yes, dear PAYE taxpayer, that is where some of your money is going.

And if Ahern succeeded in his aim to establish an "honours" system in this state you can be absolutely certain that Harris would be something like Lord Harris of Monkstown. Same with Lord Paddy the Plasterer and the rest of them.

What sort of morons in Dublin Central elect Patrick Bartholomew Ahern? And are these people just as thick and morally redundant as those who elect Michael Lowry, Beverely Cooper Flynn and John O'Donoghue?

In a word "yes"

Mal-Adjusted

Greatest Taoiseach ever & hope he runs for President

ednwireland wrote: »

Bartie (correct name ) is a crook no more, no less, at least CJH had something to show for it

at least CJH did his crooked dealings behind closed doors, Bertie (bartie) does his out in the open!

IvyTheTerrible

Greatest Taoiseach ever & hope he runs for President

"Still" a hero? He was never a hero and now he's just being particularly brazen.

MickMacca

dis and dat.

Berto is a hero, he took you lot for all you were worth, it took you 20 years to catch on. Infact he even retired of his own accord.

Who is you nexy moral crusader? that kerry school teeacher?

Jimmyboss

Greatest Taoiseach ever & hope he runs for President

"He's the man. He's the best, the most skilful, the most devious, and the most cunning of them all."

Sage words indeed from the Godfather of FF, CJH.......

At least he was half right.....

Villain

Greatest Taoiseach ever & hope he runs for President

Max Power1

He should be prosecuted by the full force of the law

Sam Kade wrote: »

They are interviewing idiots on 96fm now that were at his book signing in cork yesterday. The majority seem to be old women that think he done nothing wrong and that he is a saint. Are these fcuking idiots stupid or something. His car got egged though.

charlie haughey had the same bingo parade supporting him. maybe becuase they are so senile they cant remember all that he did?

Besides all his other sins, the greatest in my opinion was instituting a culture of incompetence, lack of accountability and "ah sure it'll be alright" that permeated all levels of the government and state bodies and by consequence of the general lack of oversight into the banking and construction industry. The true cost of this will never be known.