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Somnus

Did anyone see that article in college view about being politically correct?

I don't have the paper with me so I can't give a direct quote right now but basically the guy was saying something along the lines of "Politicians and the nearly - human members of Boards.ie are crying about things being too PC"

How dare he disgrace such a fine website in that manner!

monument

Dr.Poca wrote: »

Did anyone see that article in college view about being politically correct?

I don't have the paper with me so I can't give a direct quote right now but basically the guy was saying something along the lines of "Politicians and the nearly - human members of Boards.ie are crying about things being too PC"

The paragraph you're talking about is as follows:

"Nowadays everyone from politicians to barely-human members of boards.ie are crying about the onslaught of political correctness and the tragedy of how the nanny society we live in has stopped them from calling people ****** and paki."

I believe the writer is taking about barely-human members of boards.ie, and is not saying all users are such.

As the article is not online yet, here's the text in full:

Apparently I'm a PC Fascist
Sean McTiernan

I know, right? Another article about political correctness. Another opinionated student using poor prose to blow the minds of all those old timers who think it's ok to be the mind police.

Yeah, that sounds excruciating to me too. Well this isn't going to be that. I'm actually in favour of political correctness. Sort of. As with most arguments like this both sides tactics and rhetoric are equally lame and laughable.

If you make a joke and feel the need to mock Asian people or some other group of non-straight white males, you can just fob your detractors off with the claim that "political correctness is out of control!" Similarly, if anyone goes any way to offend a group of which you are a member even if it is a tangential and not even really that offensive way you can slather them with the racist glue and stick them to a cross.

Nowadays everyone from politicians to barely-human members of boards.ie are crying about the onslaught of political correctness and the tragedy of how the nanny society we live in has stopped them from calling people ****** and paki.

How will free speech recover? What political correctness is, in essence, is being fair to everyone.

It's protecting those that are unfairly marginalized and it is to stop people all being tarred with one brush or reduced to a single stereotype.
I doubt anyone would disagree that this is a noble goal and one everyone should do their best to uphold. Where PC goes wrong though, and where it earns itself the reputation that allows barely-comedic windbags like Roy Chubby Brown and Jeff Dunham to claim it is out of control, is how people think it should be implemented. It is the mere mention of the words that people seem to freak out at.

Most of the PC warriors of old, Mary Whitehouse etc, wanted all implications of the existence of sex stricken from the public media (the interesting shift from concern with sexual taboos to concern with racial taboos between generations is another flaw in the rigid rules of political correctness).

What political correctness should consist of is an intelligent assessment of any contentious remark in the context in which it was spoken. Of course, it's not like either side would want this shift to occur. It is better for both left and right if political correctness remains a senseless all-purpose-battering ram, ending careers and creating hours of pointless debate.

I have mentioned several times in this article comedians that use political correctness and how mad it has become as an excuse for their use of “taboo” words to mask their tired premises and decade old jokes.
There is one comedian though who is not only not doing this, but is actively campaigning for a re-evaluation of political correctness. And when I say campaigning I don't mean wearing horrible t-shirts and mugging on Richard and Judy - this comedian manages to make his point with funny jokes.

Stewart Lee, stalwart of the last two decades of British comedy, is this comedian. His well-made and well-thought out ideas on the matter were one of the main inspirations for my thinking on this subject.

If more funny people and public figures expanded their ideas and thinking instead of hiding behind hoary old cliches then maybe we could advance instead of having a large section of society fighting against what is really, at its worst, institutionalised politeness.

Dr.Poca wrote: »

How dare he disgrace such a fine website in that manner!

Hear, hear!

And that comment editor should be... oh, no, wait...

GLaDOS

Somebody got banned

Somnus

monument wrote: »

I believe the writer is taking about barely-human members of boards.ie, and is not saying all users are such.

Yeah you're probably right, although it comes across in a more general way I thought :P

phasers

Barely human? Hmmph.


The College View is trash anyway

robby^5

This isn't an article, it's a rant... or barely-an-article.

How come this was put up here before the paper was out?

GLaDOS

Deleted User wrote: »

How come this was put up here before the paper was out?

The papers were left in the science building the evening before the date on the paper, was 'bout 4 (I was with the OP)

monument

robby^5 wrote: »

This isn't an article, it's a rant... or barely-an-article.

Why is that? I mean, what exactly do you thing is wrong with it and how does it compare to what you'd find in the adverage comment section?

phasers wrote: »

Barely human? Hmmph.

Did you read my last post?

phasers wrote: »

The College View is trash anyway

Trash? Do you want to qualfy that in any way? Otherwise it sounds like trash talk.

phasers

monument wrote: »

Trash? Do you want to qualfy that in any way? Otherwise it sounds like trash talk.

I think it's trash because the articles are poorly written and the only place it's of any value is at the bottom of my budgie's cage.

Obviously you're associated with the College View and you will disagree, which is fine, but as you can see my post was thanked 4 times, so obviously people agree with me.

dead-bob

phasers wrote: »

so obviously people agree with me.

Have to agree with him there, I wasn't sure before but when over three people on the internet put their weight behind his claims it sealed the deal for me.

I don't agree with the article at all, all PC is anathema to expression especially journalism, but I don't see how it was particularly poorly written.

Somnus

phasers wrote: »

I think it's trash because the articles are poorly written and the only place it's of any value is at the bottom of my budgie's cage.

Obviously you're associated with the College View and you will disagree, which is fine, but as you can see my post was thanked 4 times, so obviously people agree with me.

I think that's being a bit harsh. I mean I don't think all the articles are particularly badly written. I don't usually read it but when I have they seem ok. I mean keep in mind that a lot of them are probably written by students in their first and second years. It's a good opportunity for people doing Journalism to get some experience writing for a paper of any kind.

phasers

Dr.Poca wrote: »

I think that's being a bit harsh. I mean I don't think all the articles are particularly badly written. I don't usually read it but when I have they seem ok. I mean keep in mind that a lot of them are probably written by students in their first and second years. It's a good opportunity for people doing Journalism to get some experience writing for a paper of any kind.

You're right, I was a bit mean tbh. Sorry bout that monument, long day.

What I should have said is I don't enjoy it personally, but I honestly do think it's great to have a realistic enough outlet for Journalism students

mark renton

Dr.Poca wrote: »

Did anyone see that article in college view about being politically correct?

I don't have the paper with me so I can't give a direct quote right now but basically the guy was saying something along the lines of "Politicians and the nearly - human members of Boards.ie are crying about things being too PC"

How dare he disgrace such a fine website in that manner!

Actually reality check - ive been banned for daring to say that dentists charge too much on the dental forum and received numerous infractions on the Christianity forum for daring to mention taht if Jesus returned and wanted to prove himself a miracle worker then he could compile a crack for Nagra3

PC ?? ffs its almost censorship or dictatorship at times

dead-bob

john47832 wrote: »

Actually reality check - ive been banned for daring to say that dentists charge too much on the dental forum and received numerous infractions on the Christianity forum for daring to mention taht if Jesus returned and wanted to prove himself a miracle worker then he could compile a crack for Nagra3

PC ?? ffs its almost censorship or dictatorship at times

I don't think he was saying boards.ie is too PC, he was saying people on boards.ie members use it to complain about the world at large.

I don't really read the college view but I don't understand why people **** on it so much.

Nanaki

I don't believe I've ever read every word in the college view, cover to cover, but that article in particular was not well written.
I'll not tar the whole paper with the one brush.
If the author was targeting only the barely human members then "the barely..." would have specified such
(as oppposed to "barely..." which implies all members of boards.ie are barely human)

Something tells me, however, that Mr McTiernan wasn't quite aware of such a subtlety.

GLaDOS

Nanaki wrote: »

I don't believe I've ever read every word in the college view, cover to cover, but that article in particular was not well written.
I'll not tar the whole paper with the one brush.
If the author was targeting only the barely human members then "the barely..." would have specified such
(as oppposed to "barely..." which implies all members of boards.ie are barely human)

Something tells me, however, that Mr McTiernan wasn't quite aware of such a subtlety.

I quite like College View (one of the few it seems..) but yeah, that article was very poor.

Shea O'Meara

The College View is a great concept. We should allow people to learn as they go, especially in a student paper*. However, the College View, like most young writers, can seem pretentious. This is generally in all innocence an attempt to write at a higher level, but failing. So in closing, the College View is needed and well worth while, but can be a tad up it's own arse.

*The opener for the journalistic ploy of attempting to endear oneself to the reader to facilitate and ease the readers acceptance of the criticism to follow.

:|

I like The College View too, much better than the excuse for a magazine that is Campus, "The o-fish-al publication" or whatever the hell is written on the front of it

Shea O'Meara

Ah, it's not meant to be a real magazine publication. It's an SU newsletter with a little glitter;)

Urizen

If I wanted to read what a first year Journalism student thinks of NAMA...

Wait, I DON'T. I buy a real paper for a reason. The College View 'news' should relate to DCU. And while I have good friends on the staff, I still think it's too much recycling what other papers say and repackaging it with an amateur spin. Which, let's face it, is not exactly a selling point.

As for Campus, it has gone downhill. However, I have noticed several of you have simply declared a vendetta against the magazine. And instead support the CV. Which is, in most cases, all it's used for: CV padding.

I have serious doubt that, even if massive changes to Campus were brought in, those opinions would change.

However, I'm still intrigued. Who wrote this particular article?

aDeener

The quality of the material in the college view increases substantially with every wipe of my arse

:|

Urizen wrote: »

If I wanted to read what a first year Journalism student thinks of NAMA...

Wait, I DON'T. I buy a real paper for a reason. The College View 'news' should relate to DCU. And while I have good friends on the staff, I still think it's too much recycling what other papers say and repackaging it with an amateur spin. Which, let's face it, is not exactly a selling point.

As for Campus, it has gone downhill. However, I have noticed several of you have simply declared a vendetta against the magazine. And instead support the CV. Which is, in most cases, all it's used for: CV padding.

I have serious doubt that, even if massive changes to Campus were brought in, those opinions would change.

However, I'm still intrigued. Who wrote this particular article?

Not true, I honestly think the college view is pretty good, much better than it was two years ago. And I honestly think Campus is unbelievably bad, much worse than it was two years ago. I think I actually defended it sometime in the past saying it wasn't that bad but this year....it really is. Campus be learning you....wtf?

Urizen

wrote: »

I honestly think the college view is pretty good, much better than it was two years ago. And I honestly think Campus is unbelievably bad, much worse than it was two years ago.

I don't disagree, Campus has gone downhill and CV has improved. Just not to the extents being claimed.

Shea O'Meara

I think the person responsible for writing 'Dear Mammy' should return to writing short stories for the elderly...actually, I must apologize to the elderly, this treacle tripe is too Ireland's Own even for them. It's like a Daniel O’Donnell segue from his forthcoming concept album, 'A slice a cake with the Mammy.'
Seriously, have some pride, self respect, concern for how your mag (Campus) is viewed and stop this syrup now!
Was this the brain child of someone who may be an avid fan of 'last of the Summer wine'? Which you probably think is a little too racy.
You suck!

g5fd6ow0hseima

Shea O'Meara wrote: »

Ah, it's not meant to be a real magazine publication. It's an SU newsletter with a little glitter;)

I always thought that style soc and dramasoc co-produced campus mag....

Shea O'Meara

It's the SU's publication. It use to be soley edited by the SU with contributions from class reps and students who fancied writing an article. Then it had a make over where an Editor was hired and an effort was made to turn it into Just Seventeen. I'd consider it very confused at the moment.

PixyChick

Shea O'Meara wrote: »

It's the SU's publication. It use to be soley edited by the SU with contributions from class reps and students who fancied writing an article. Then it had a make over where an Editor was hired and an effort was made to turn it into Just Seventeen. I'd consider it very confused at the moment.

That rag is run by the student union!!! I pay for that car crash of design? Seriously, it's woeful. Loads of spelling mistakes, and obvious injokes, which origins are now clear - the SU.

How much money do we waste on hiring this person for each edition? I cannot believe we actually pay for that. Who hires this person? Im a first year, so I don't know about previous editions, but from asking around the person is hired by interview. Is the person just a friend of the SU or is there an independent panel of interviewers. Either way they need a good smack for hiring this person. The design is just horrible, the pictures are off the same people all the time, there is no thought gone into most of the articles....unless they are student contributions.... its just a total embarrassment!

DCU is not a design college, and it clearly shows from that magazine. Would the Union not just hire someone on retainer, I know loads of designers who would kill to do something like that in the current economic climate, and would do a far better design job than that. The design appeals to a very very small community of students, as a SU publication it should appeal to the masses.

And while I think of it, what is with the attitude of those who hand it out!!!??? They shove it in your face, and give out to you when you don't take it, or if you flash a copy that you have, they ask you to take two, or three!!!

Seriously!!!

Cy_Revenant

PixyChick wrote: »

the pictures are off the same people all the time,

That can't be helped by them. The pictures are submitted by students, so tend to be people who are friends of those with a hobby in photography and frequently get involved in SU and Society Events.

Also, whatever anyone thinks about Campus, it's still better than its predecessor An Tarbh ever was.

Shea O'Meara

So it may be crappy, but the previous one was crappier?
That's all right then;)

monument

Urizen wrote: »

If I wanted to read what a first year Journalism student thinks of NAMA...

That's great, because the main person I know of who has given their view on Nama in an article in The College View has been Tony Foley, DCU.ie describes him as "a senior lecturer and is head of the economics finance and entrepreneurship group in [the DCU Business School]."

Urizen wrote: »

Wait, I DON'T. I buy a real paper for a reason.

You buy a real paper so to "to read what a first year Journalism student thinks of NAMA"? :rolleyes:

Urizen wrote: »

The College View 'news' should relate to DCU.

I'd be quite happy to bet that the vast bulk of the news in The College View is related to DCU or general student news. Are you up for such a bet?

Urizen wrote: »

...I still think it's too much recycling what other papers say and repackaging it with an amateur spin. Which, let's face it, is not exactly a selling point.

I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say here. Your other points seem a bit confused, but I'd still love to know: What "other papers" covers DCU news and other student-related articles so closely?

Urizen wrote: »

As for Campus, it has gone downhill. However, I have noticed several of you have simply declared a vendetta against the magazine. And instead support the CV. Which is, in most cases, all it's used for: CV padding.

You on the other hand seem to be flinging mud at the CV and seeing what will stick, because your criticism seems rather flawed.

However, I'm still intrigued. Who wrote this particular article?

His name is on the article, it's even on the version I posted above. Have you really read any of the other posts on the thread?

Shea O'Meara wrote: »

...However, the College View, like most young writers, can seem pretentious. This is generally in all innocence an attempt to write at a higher level, but failing. So in closing, the College View is needed and well worth while, but can be a tad up it's own arse...

So it other words it sounds like many people here?

PixyChick wrote: »

DCU is not a design college, and it clearly shows from that magazine. Would the Union not just hire someone on retainer, I know loads of designers who would kill to do something like that in the current economic climate, and would do a far better design job than that. The design appeals to a very very small community of students, as a SU publication it should appeal to the masses.

News design (newspaper and news magazine design) is part is part of the journalism degree and those skills can be easily enough be expanded on to do general magazine design.

I guess the problem is getting somebody with the design experience who is also interested and willing to edit the SU mag, take/source images and content, and do research for the SU which is apparently part of the role. And then still design Campus to a high standard while being paid not a huge amount compared to how much designers are paid generally.