Andy Lee v Affif Belgecham

f1dan

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=22805

f1dan

I don't really have time to search for videos of Belgecham. Has anybody seen him fight before?

Vintagekits

f1dan wrote: »

I don't really have time to search for videos of Belgecham. Has anybody seen him fight before?

seen him? nah never even heard of him tbh - I thought it was going to be the guy that beat him in December - Hassan N'Dam N'Jikam

Still he is much better then the **** monkeys Lee has been fighting recently.

walshb

Andy is on RTE radio 1 now discussing this

Benny Cake

When/where will tickets go on sale for this?

makl

there's the discussion

http://www.rte.ie/sport/boxing/2009/1013/leea_av.html?2628357,null,209

if that doesn't connect straightaway, link this page and scroll down to link at bottom: http://www.rte.ie/sport/boxing/2009/1013/leea.html

magma69

Great stuff. This will be Andy's toughest fight to date. Have only seen one clip of this Belghecham guy so I cannot really pass too much judgement. It seems he has an iron chin so it looks like Lee's game plan will be a win on points. He is ranked one place above Lee in the BoxRec rankings with 19 wins (only 4 by way of KO), 3 losses and a draw. It is encouraging to know that this guy is not very heavy handed so the chances of Lee getting caught cold are slim.

I reckon I'm gonna go check this out. The atmosphere at his last fight in Limerick against Willie Gibbs was great. A win for Lee will propel him to the European stage. Come on Lee!!!

Kess73

Belghecham is a decent fighter, not huge on stopping power, relying more on wearing people down rather than stopping them cold, but quite technical and very tidy with a good defence. He has a damn good chin coupled with good stamina, and is currently ranked above Andy in the European rankings.


He and Andy share a common loss to Hassam N'Dam N'Jikam,Belghecham in the pro ranks and Andy in 2004 before he turned pro.


Good test for Andy, and as was pointed out today at the press conference, this fight is happening after the proposed clash with Duddy in December fell through.

makl

yeh lookin at his stats, about 90% of his fights have lasted the full length. incidentally, like andy lee, he's never fought more than 10 rounds. guarras (wlwwwl) retired at 10/12 (2nd last fight) and he got a tko vs mothmora (lwlwll) on 30 july in 6/8.

is this a 12 round bout?

f1dan

If it's for Belgecham's EU title then yes.

Otherwise probably not.

joepenguin

This is a decent fight for Lee. Very evenly matched on paper and will tell us exactly where he is at the moment. The vera fight set him back something serious when you think about it. But better to iron these things out early in the career and get on with it.

Daroxtar

More on Andy and this fight here http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=23023.

Tiriel

Daroxtar wrote: »

More on Andy and this fight here http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=23023.

Pretty tough article. Looking forward to the fight on Sat. and hope that Andy can show what he's really made of. The support should be huge

Rob113

is the title on the line in this fight? I'd love to see Lee step up a notch. He has looked pretty poor the few times ive watched him fight. Hopefully fighting a better class of boxer will bring out the best in him.

BDF

Daroxtar wrote: »

More on Andy and this fight here http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=23023.

Re the article: Is Craig McEwan popular in Ireland? That's a new one on me! And John Duddy having more of a claim as Ireland's best middleweight prospect? :rolleyes: Who writes this crap?

If Lee can stop this guy it will be very impressive.

Saltour Sossiez

BDF wrote: »

Re the article: Is Craig McEwan popular in Ireland? That's a new one on me! And John Duddy having more of a claim as Ireland's best middleweight prospect? :rolleyes: Who writes this crap?

I have had the misfortune of reading a few that idiot's articles. Needless to say, the rest were absolute rubbish also.

bamboozler

terrible article. dont know how he worked out mcewan? is popular here. author prob jus another insular yank who doesnt know the difference between scotland and ireland

celestial

Lads can anyone tell me for definite if the Andy Lee fight STARTS at 10.30 or if coverage starts at 10.30? Presume it's the only fight on on Sat but want to make sure.

Thx

bamboozler

celestial wrote: »

Lads can anyone tell me for definite if the Andy Lee fight STARTS at 10.30 or if coverage starts at 10.30? Presume it's the only fight on on Sat but want to make sure.

Thx

coverage 1030 after ireland match

Captain Furball

Good luck to Andy Lee I hope he does himself proud.
Hope he's at his best!

Tiriel

bamboozler wrote: »

coverage 1030 after ireland match

Great Gives me time to high-tail it down to Limerick after work!!

celestial

bamboozler wrote: »

coverage 1030 after ireland match

Thanks - so that means Andy is on around 11 or 11.30 as I think there is an undercard?

Tiriel

celestial wrote: »

Thanks - so that means Andy is on around 11 or 11.30 as I think there is an undercard?

They most likely won't bother televising the undercard - I doubt they will let the main fight go any later than they have to.

celestial

Cork_girl wrote: »

They most likely won't bother televising the undercard - I doubt they will let the main fight go any later than they have to.

That's what I reckon too - prob just 30 mins build-up then the fight at 11.

f1dan

I don't know who put the terrible music on this video but you have to admit this is some pretty impressive rope work.

Limerick91

so far so good for andy

deisedude

Anyone got a stream for this fight?

Limerick91

http://www.rte.ie/live/

enjoy

deisedude

limerickros wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/live/

enjoy

Thanks, i presumed Rte wouldnt show it worldwide on their website. Glad i'm wrong:D

Limerick91

Don't think Macklin has anything to fear

Chriscl1

I thought he was going to get himself knocked out there in the last. Macklin would destroy him tbh.

Jayob10

Andy Lee really has some sound boxing skills. But you have to fear for him when he fights someone who is more than capable of forcing it on the inside.

Hes technically sound as I said but appears susceptible to being hurt on the inside.

Boooourns

He has terrible stamina, he got caught late on again tonight and looked in trouble and this lad only threw about 5 punches around up till then, whats going to happe when he gets in against a good boxer who will land punches in every round.
He's skilled at boxing from a distance but i fear for him against the top guys.

slipss

I would have pressed either of them. That shouldnt be, they are both leagues ahaed of me. WHAT THE FUKK??

*I hope I'm wrong, no world champ here unless everyone runs scared stupidly, they will buckle early.

hunter164

He just held him at bay all fight, never really made any real damage except for once and he didn't follow up. When Affif landed a few Andy was in serious trouble.

magma69

I am seriously worried about Andy Lee. There is no doubting his boxing skills are second to none. He has the technique and power to destroy people but his defense against brawlers who like to fight ion the inside is suspect to say the least. Particularly in the later rounds his defense seems to get ever more shoddy and I don't know if this is a stamina issue or what but he has been rocked in the latter part of many of his fights (Gibbs, Sipos, and obviously Vera) and he doesn't seem to handle getting hit well. I wouldn't say he is chinny but Affif had him all over the place in the last minute of the fight last night. All this has been pointed out long ago and he hasn't seemed to improve in this deparment which is a huge cause for concern. Unless he improves in this department even the likes of Duddy, as limited as he is, will KO Lee by applying huge pressure and getting into a brawl where Andy is completely vulnerable at this moment. As a big fan of Lee I would love to see him overcome this issue but I am far less confident he has what it takes to be a World Champ than I was when he first came on the scene.

Tiriel

magma69 wrote: »

I am seriously worried about Andy Lee. There is no doubting his boxing skills are second to none. He has the technique and power to destroy people but his defense against brawlers who like to fight ion the inside is suspect to say the least. Particularly in the later rounds his defense seems to get ever more shoddy and I don't know if this is a stamina issue or what but he has been rocked in the latter part of many of his fights (Gibbs, Sipos, and obviously Vera) and he doesn't seem to handle getting hit well. I wouldn't say he is chinny but Affif had him all over the place in the last minute of the fight last night. All this has been pointed out long ago and he hasn't seemed to improve in this deparment which is a huge cause for concern. Unless he improves in this department even the likes of Duddy, as limited as he is, will KO Lee by applying huge pressure and getting into a brawl where Andy is completely vulnerable at this moment. As a big fan of Lee I would love to see him overcome this issue but I am far less confident he has what it takes to be a World Champ than I was when he first came on the scene.

Very hard to disagree with that. Well said, it's hard to read but after seeing the fight last nite I'm not sure what Andy could do in a situation with a guy who doesn't obey.

It was a strange atmosphere in the Arena too, the buzz just wasn't there. At times alright the crowd got behind him but it went very quiet at times and it was a pity.

Was damn glad it was a 10 round fight and that Belghecham didn't attack sooner. The last 30 seconds were nerve wrecking.

makl

surprised at amount of concerned comments.

andy was no way convincing, but that was never in the gameplan. gameplan was not to lose, not-to-lose. this was a make or break fight that he couldn't afford to lose. belgecham gave away the fight by an unbelievable first 2 rounds, i cant understand why he handed them to lee on a plate.

i'd andy 3 pts clear goin into rounds 9 and 10 (still too conservative) so its no wonder he fought like he did. he was hardly goin to open up when he didn't need to. remember that not losin was the number one aim. of course belgecham was gonna finish stronger he'd no other choice. lee fought a very controlled tactical fight and succeeded. me own 2 cents.

Gdep

Does anyone else think it was a bit unfair that Manny Stewart didnt show for the fight to commentate on Cotto/Pacquaio?

Does it show a lack of faith for the future or does it not matter at all?

Tiriel

Gdep wrote: »

Does anyone else think it was a bit unfair that Manny Stewart didnt show for the fight to commentate on Cotto/Pacquaio?

Does it show a lack of faith for the future or does it not matter at all?

It's not looking great anyway - I was shocked to see in the Programme "Although Stewart still holds the paper as Lee's manager of record, the relationship appears increasingly frosty, and, at least for the nonce, Gamache would seem to have taken over as chief strategist in the Lee corner."

magma69

makl wrote: »

surprised at amount of concerned comments.

andy was no way convincing, but that was never in the gameplan. gameplan was not to lose, not-to-lose. this was a make or break fight that he couldn't afford to lose. belgecham gave away the fight by an unbelievable first 2 rounds, i cant understand why he handed them to lee on a plate.

i'd andy 3 pts clear goin into rounds 9 and 10 (still too conservative) so its no wonder he fought like he did. he was hardly goin to open up when he didn't need to. remember that not losin was the number one aim. of course belgecham was gonna finish stronger he'd no other choice. lee fought a very controlled tactical fight and succeeded. me own 2 cents.

I don't think anyone is saying Andy fought the wrong fight or giving him stick for not KO'ing the guy. It's hard to fault him for the approach he took and it's difficult to shine against an opponent so negative. The only criticism people were really making of him was the way he handled Afifif's onslaught in the final round. Up until that round he was coasting but when Afifif started giving it hell for leather in the end Lee didn't know how to handle it and was a bit of a shambles that was saved by the bell.

Lord Trollington

Too many people are jumping to conclusions on Lee here.

If you look at his record on Boxrec ( http://www.boxrec.com/ratings.php?sex=M&division=Middleweight&pageID=1)

You'll see that he only made his professional debut in 2006, 3 years ago.
People ahead of him in the rankings have been boxing 4 and 5 years at pro before him and some even 10 -15 years.

He is still learning, and has a lot to learn.

Macklin looks hungry, and i think throwing Lee in aginst Macklin too early might be foolish.
Lee is a better technical boxer, and is still a little naive.

buck65

After Saturday I think we can safely put Lee in the box labelled "Decent Irish fighter, European class, not World Class" , that box is getting a bit crowded too.

PS Jimmy Magee and Dave Mc Auley are still brutal and an embarassment to themselves.

BDF

buck65 wrote: »

After Saturday I think we can safely put Lee in the box labelled "Decent Irish fighter, European class, not World Class" , that box is getting a bit crowded too.

PS Jimmy Magee and Dave Mc Auley are still brutal and an embarassment to themselves.

I don't think you can put Lee in any box just yet there buck. Where was Matthew Macklin's career 20 fights in? Don't be so quick to write Lee off. Up to a few months ago Macklin was thought of as British level at best and just look at where he is now.

Magee and McCauley are what they are, slagging them off is getting a bit old at this point.

barrera

BDF wrote: »

Magee and McCauley are what they are, slagging them off is getting a bit old at this point.

They're not really at fault - it is RTE at fault for inflicting their nonsense on sports fans. Nobody is going to turn down a pay cheque, Magee and McCauley included.

It is the height of disrespect from RTE to the sport of boxing and the people watching to have such awful commentary.

BDF

barrera wrote: »

They're not really at fault - it is RTE at fault for inflicting their nonsense on sports fans. Nobody is going to turn down a pay cheque, Magee and McCauley included.

It is the height of disrespect from RTE to the sport of boxing and the people watching to have such awful commentary.

RTE should think about bringing a new commentary team on board alright. Michael Carruth and Bernard Dunne would do a great job in my opinion.

Vintagekits

barrera wrote: »

They're not really at fault - it is RTE at fault for inflicting their nonsense on sports fans. Nobody is going to turn down a pay cheque, Magee and McCauley included.

It is the height of disrespect from RTE to the sport of boxing and the people watching to have such awful commentary.

well said!

And with RTE streams being free around the world we are genuinely the laughing stock of the boxing world.

We have hard Magee's son on here defending on of the other times he made a boxing show ulmost unwatchable and as you say its not his fault he just isnt any good and talks ****e.

There is one things fillings time and providing information to casual boxing fans but its another thing talking absolute gibberish "Andy Lee, with or with a beard still a good boxer" - WTF!!!! - but you wouldnt get it in an other sport - it simply wouldnt be acceptable. He provides ZERO insite and on a technical level he know fúck all.

RTE please please please change him

walshb

MaGee is a great guy overall and a fantastic sports enthusiast, but for boxing, he doesn't do it for me.
The one thing I found rather odd when he commentated on Dunne and Poonsawat was how his voice never once changed during the whole fight.

When Bernard was hit with the mighty hook and dropped, Jimmy commentated as if it was NOTHING. He had the same tone and audio level as if Dunne had thrown a jab.

I mean, that's schoolboy stuff surely. A fighter gets whacked with a fast and vicious punch and is dropped, please, try and sound a little excited. Mix it up for chrissake.

Like when Foreman nailed Frazier in Kingston in 1973, the commentator was so enthused and excited with the famous lines, "Down goes Frazier, down goes Frazier."

It wasn't said in a boring monotone and dead voice, and it's not meant to be. Something exciting or pivotal happens in a sports contest, the commentator
should react accordingly.

On the other hand, you have Dave Boy who almost wets his ****ing pants when
a punch is thrown.

Gringo180

Im just a casual boxing fan myself but i quite like mccauley's commentary when someone gets caught with a good shot, mccauley is screaming down the mike "oh hes hurt here, hes hurt":Dquality, he also knows his stuff

but i agree about magee commentating on the boxing, hes a disaster:rolleyes:

Rob113

Whatever about the commentating being poor, i thought Andy was poor all through the fight. I think he has lost whatever punch resistance he ever had. He seemed to be just trying to hold the other guy off with his long outstretched right arm. Even when he was throwing punches they were little tippy tappy punches. There was no venom in them whatsoever. I think if the fight had gone on an extra 20 - 30 seconds he would have been knocked clean out. He had absolutely no defence the few times the other guy got inside and roughed him up a bit. I cant see him lasting even 3 rounds with Macklin. Still not convinced with Duddy so ill give him the benefit of the doubt there.

f1dan

magma69 wrote: »

I am seriously worried about Andy Lee. There is no doubting his boxing skills are second to none. He has the technique and power to destroy people but his defense against brawlers who like to fight ion the inside is suspect to say the least. Particularly in the later rounds his defense seems to get ever more shoddy and I don't know if this is a stamina issue or what but he has been rocked in the latter part of many of his fights (Gibbs, Sipos, and obviously Vera) and he doesn't seem to handle getting hit well. I wouldn't say he is chinny but Affif had him all over the place in the last minute of the fight last night. All this has been pointed out long ago and he hasn't seemed to improve in this deparment which is a huge cause for concern. Unless he improves in this department even the likes of Duddy, as limited as he is, will KO Lee by applying huge pressure and getting into a brawl where Andy is completely vulnerable at this moment. As a big fan of Lee I would love to see him overcome this issue but I am far less confident he has what it takes to be a World Champ than I was when he first came on the scene.

+1. Andy seemed to get tired about the 7th round which is a bit embarrassing considering that he was controlling the pace of the fight and hadn't been made to work hard at all. I wonder does he have a lack of confidence in his ability to finish off people. He was having success with body shots in the early rounds and even had Belgecham hurt in the 5th but he never followed it up. I don't think he threw a single body shot after the fifth round.

Cork_girl wrote: »

It was a strange atmosphere in the Arena too, the buzz just wasn't there. At times alright the crowd got behind him but it went very quiet at times and it was a pity.

I noticed that myself. The crowd seemed to get behind Jamie Power than they did for Andy.