Any pro ever caught cheating?

actuallylike

Used to watch a lot of poker on tv a while back and it got me wondering about cheating? Has anyone ever been caught cheating at a televised event or anyone know of any stories of anyone caught at big events like WSOP or something like that?
Don't get me wrong, I know poker isn't like the Wild West or Mafia games (5 aces and what not) and I know the film Maverick is only part true :rolleyes: but I'm sure there must be a couple of stories out there.

(basically I'd just love to see a video of someone caught and to check out his/her face, I relish in embarassment!)

Careful Damo

NewApproach

Some scandi sold c.140% of himself for a big event (either a WPT or EPT, think it was EPT but not sure), and went on to win the thing, cashing over a million. cue many pissed off stakers!

ianmc38

plenty of cases of people bringing in chips from other events, angle shooting and other stuff. There was a story floating around at one point that Greg raymer marked the decks the year he won the WSOP and his glasses showed up whatever substance he used.

Flushdraw

Not sure of this guys name, but he was caught cheating online a while ago.



The dealer was also cited for bottom dealing to him..Nasty

Suited

Men the Master has been accused of chip dumping to his horses during live events:

However don't accuse him of this as he's likely to spit his beer all over the table

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0dzBnV8ujE

5starpool

No name throwing around where things are not proven please.

Suited

5starpool wrote: »

No name throwing around where things are not proven please.

I meant Ben the bastard

Flushdraw

5starpool wrote: »

No name throwing around where things are not proven please.

I didn't mention any names in my one, but the guy looks remarkably like Ken Lennaard (the Swedish poker cheat pro)

Tight Ted

ianmc38 wrote: »

There was a story floating around at one point that Greg raymer marked the decks the year he won the WSOP and his glasses showed up whatever substance he used.

Sounds an awful lot like bullsh!t!

gorrrr72

Don't forget "magic Dave".:pac:

Degag

Freddie Deeb was accused of going south in an episode of HSP.

Jeff Lisandro was accused of not anteing in the WSOP.

Lisandro was cleared of any wrongdoing.... not sure about Deeb.

gorrrr72

Degag wrote: »

Freddie Deeb was accused of going south in an episode of HSP.

Jeff Lisandro was accused of not anteing in the WSOP.

Lisandro was cleared of any wrongdoing.... not sure about Deeb.

Deeb was also innocent when they checked the video.

Jesus Wept

Suited wrote: »

Men the Master has been accused of chip dumping to his horses during live events:

However don't accuse him of this as he's likely to spit his beer all over the table

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0dzBnV8ujE

Ben the Bastard is well known as a 'cheating scumbag'.
Gavin Smith makes no bones about making the assertion many times on 'The Circuit' - a poker podcast from a couple of years ago.

Apparently Ben the Mastard gets up to all sorts.

baz2007

check out some footage of ipc galway this year after the chip episode. have a look at certain pro who does not want 2 come out from under his hat at featured table.maybe he is just shy u tell me.

Grafter

There's footage of the WSOPE that Annette won of somebody being quick enough to palm one of her chips.

Grafter

shano_88

Grafter wrote: »

quick like a tiger there so he was!

actuallylike

Grafter wrote: »

Pretty quick alright on that one, I'd say he regretted it though. Seemed like something he just did without thinking then couldn't really admit it.

POINTBREAK

Check out the super users scandal at UB. Some people were playing online with pros who could see all the cards.

dannydiamond

POINTBREAK wrote: »

Check out the super users scandal at UB. Some people were playing online with pros who could see all the cards.

Really? links?

POINTBREAK

POINTBREAK wrote: »

Check out the super users scandal at UB. Some people were playing online with pros who could see all the cards.

That was all a smear campaign. Really your man was just class. He even perfected the reverse-twilight

POINTBREAK

Deleted User wrote: »

That was all a smear campaign. Really your man was just class. He even perfected the reverse-twilight

I hope you are joking. $22 Million was refunded to players who were cheated.
The final report was issued a few weeks ago and I quote...........

http://pokerati.com/2009/09/11/kgc-releases-final-ub-scandal-decisionaccount-names-released-hamilton-said-to-have-31-co-conspirators/

In total, Tokwiro, owner of UltimateBet, refunded $22,054,351.91 to players affected by the cheating incidences.
• Tokwiro paid $1.5 million in fines, plus the costs of the investigation, to the KGC.
• Tokwiro is on a one-year “probation” period, during which time it must provide all details of daily operations, including financial and gaming records.
• Going forward, Tokwiro must maintain three sets of web/game logs, one of which will be housed at the offices of the KGC.
• All officers, directors, shareholders, and key people associated with Tokwiro must be known to the KGC.
• There were 23 accounts and 117 usernames used in the cheating.

Whyno

POINTBREAK wrote: »

I hope you are joking. $22 Million was refunded to players who were cheated.
The final report was issued a few weeks ago and I quote...........

http://pokerati.com/2009/09/11/kgc-releases-final-ub-scandal-decisionaccount-names-released-hamilton-said-to-have-31-co-conspirators/

In total, Tokwiro, owner of UltimateBet, refunded $22,054,351.91 to players affected by the cheating incidences.
• Tokwiro paid $1.5 million in fines, plus the costs of the investigation, to the KGC.
• Tokwiro is on a one-year “probation” period, during which time it must provide all details of daily operations, including financial and gaming records.
• Going forward, Tokwiro must maintain three sets of web/game logs, one of which will be housed at the offices of the KGC.
• All officers, directors, shareholders, and key people associated with Tokwiro must be known to the KGC.
• There were 23 accounts and 117 usernames used in the cheating.

This can't be true.Your having us on!!!

wendelsailor

POINTBREAK wrote: »

I hope you are joking. $22 Million was refunded to players who were cheated.
The final report was issued a few weeks ago and I quote...........

http://pokerati.com/2009/09/11/kgc-releases-final-ub-scandal-decisionaccount-names-released-hamilton-said-to-have-31-co-conspirators/

In total, Tokwiro, owner of UltimateBet, refunded $22,054,351.91 to players affected by the cheating incidences.
• Tokwiro paid $1.5 million in fines, plus the costs of the investigation, to the KGC.
• Tokwiro is on a one-year “probation” period, during which time it must provide all details of daily operations, including financial and gaming records.
• Going forward, Tokwiro must maintain three sets of web/game logs, one of which will be housed at the offices of the KGC.
• All officers, directors, shareholders, and key people associated with Tokwiro must be known to the KGC.
• There were 23 accounts and 117 usernames used in the cheating.

I think someone has been telling you porkies.............

POINTBREAK

wendelsailor wrote: »

I think someone has been telling you porkies.............

Now I know you are winding me up. The official report is all over the internet.

The UB scandal officially began in January of 2008 when the site’s management acknowledged that there was some credence to players’ claims of cheating. But by July 2008, after the official investigation had been ongoing for at least four months, UB confirmed that the cheating actually began in January of 2005, meaning that it could have been going on for nearly three years. In the fourth month of the investigation, new accounts were still being linked to the software glitch that allowed one or more super-users to cheat on the site.

Enter the biggest glitch of all, courtesy of Nat Arem, the rogue investigator/poker player who was a key figure in breaking the Absolute Poker scandal wide open. That glitch’s name is Russ Hamilton.

Arem took some information he was given and began researching confirmed super-user account names. Three names --nvtease, NoPaddles, and sleepless—given to Arem by a whistleblower at UB, were linked back to one address in Las Vegas. The address belonged to none other than one of the owners of UB during the time the scandal was confirmed to have happened. Russ Hamilton bought the home in 2006. At the very least, three of the super-user accounts in the UB scandal were directly connected to the Hamilton family during the time that the accounts were being used to cheat players on the UltimateBet website.

Jesus Wept

You're just trying to scare people like the boogie man and global warming.

Flushdraw

The-Rigger wrote: »

You're just trying to scare people like the boogie man and global warming.

LOL at the poker is rigged scaremongeringing! Sure UB sponsor Phil the Helmet so he wouldn't associate himself with this crowd if that was the case.

Tight Ted

POINTBREAK wrote: »

Now I know you are winding me up. The official report is all over the internet.

The UB scandal officially began in January of 2008 when the site’s management acknowledged that there was some credence to players’ claims of cheating. But by July 2008, after the official investigation had been ongoing for at least four months, UB confirmed that the cheating actually began in January of 2005, meaning that it could have been going on for nearly three years. In the fourth month of the investigation, new accounts were still being linked to the software glitch that allowed one or more super-users to cheat on the site.

Enter the biggest glitch of all, courtesy of Nat Arem, the rogue investigator/poker player who was a key figure in breaking the Absolute Poker scandal wide open. That glitch’s name is Russ Hamilton.

Arem took some information he was given and began researching confirmed super-user account names. Three names --nvtease, NoPaddles, and sleepless—given to Arem by a whistleblower at UB, were linked back to one address in Las Vegas. The address belonged to none other than one of the owners of UB during the time the scandal was confirmed to have happened. Russ Hamilton bought the home in 2006. At the very least, three of the super-user accounts in the UB scandal were directly connected to the Hamilton family during the time that the accounts were being used to cheat players on the UltimateBet website.

actuallylike

I remember seeing a video (forget where) of an online cheat who could see all cards. He or she got caught when he was raised pre flop and folded even though he had kings (The raiser had aces)

Jesus Wept

actuallylike wrote: »

I remember seeing a video (forget where) of an online cheat who could see all cards. He or she got caught when he was raised pre flop and folded even though he had kings (The raiser had aces)

I'm sure there was more to do it than that.
It could be a miss click, timeout or Lloyd.

hf4z6sqo7vjngi

I once cheated on my girlfriend when i was 16, does that count?

actuallylike

The-Rigger wrote: »

I'm sure there was more to do it than that.
It could be a miss click, timeout or Lloyd.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/21380303#21380303

POINTBREAK

Flushdraw wrote: »

LOL at the poker is rigged scaremongeringing! Sure UB sponsor Phil the Helmet so he wouldn't associate himself with this crowd if that was the case.

I didnt say poker is rigged. I play myself on Pokerstars and sometimes Ladbrokes. On Stars my profit over 5 years is over $40k dollars mainly due to a 4th place in the Sunday Warm Up 35k and a win in the what was 50k gtd last year for $18.5k.
The UB scandal clearly showed cheating. Check the 2+2 forum or even the ordinary media. It is widely reported and not the stuff of conspirosy sites. AbsoluteBet under the same ownership is also involved.

POINTBREAK

The Reporter who broke this story had anaylised the big winning players and showed that it was mathematically impossible for any player or series of players to win so much money over the amount of time. That was when the alarm bells rang.

Flushdraw

POINTBREAK wrote: »

I didnt say poker is rigged. I play myself on Pokerstars and sometimes Ladbrokes. On Stars my profit over 5 years is over $40k dollars mainly due to a 4th place in the Sunday Warm Up 35k and a win in the what was 50k gtd last year for $18.5k.
The UB scandal clearly showed cheating. Check the 2+2 forum or even the ordinary media. It is widely reported and not the stuff of conspirosy sites. AbsoluteBet under the same ownership is also involved.

Well Pokerstars is rigged anyways. I was playing last night i got myself 2 aces. 5 limpers, i minraise and they all call. the 3 cards come out 345. I bet, they all call. The 4th card is a king. I bet, 4 of them call. The end card is another Ace, I put all my chips in and 1 of them has 72 not suited LOL.

Maybe they use that cheating software aswel, but i'm never going to play on jokerstars again. Its a joke

POINTBREAK

Flushdraw wrote: »

Well Pokerstars is rigged anyways. I was playing last night i got myself 2 aces. 5 limpers, i minraise and they all call. the 3 cards come out 345. I bet, they all call. The 4th card is a king. I bet, 4 of them call. The end card is another Ace, I put all my chips in and 1 of them has 72 not suited LOL.

Maybe they use that cheating software aswel, but i'm never going to play on jokerstars again. Its a joke

Its not them. You played the hand wrong. Ace Ace isnt even favourite against 5 random hands. The whole theory is to eliminate the limpers with a big bet and get a heads up where you are a massive favourite.

Jesus Wept

POINTBREAK wrote: »

The Reporter who broke this story had anaylised the big winning players and showed that it was mathematically impossible for any player or series of players to win so much money over the amount of time. That was when the alarm bells rang.

Look you can't rely on maths all the time for everything. I'm more of a feel player anyway.
There isa huge degree of luck in poker as well as skill, and to be acusing people of cheating just becasue they have a better winrate is sore grapes imo.

Flushdraw

POINTBREAK wrote: »

Its not them. You played the hand wrong. Ace Ace isnt even favourite against 5 random hands. The whole theory is to eliminate the limpers with a big bet and get a heads up where you are a massive favourite.

But i dont want to raise and scare the fishes away? So you are saying that 72 is favourite over Ace Ace when there is about 5 players?

Yeah but do you think the donkey with the 72 knew the ace was coming? I can get away from the hand if the Ace isnt the last card, but its the only card that lets the donkey win, and to make me pay him off. I probably would have folded if the river was a 6.

Plus there was like a 10 second pause before the last card aswel. Double LOL

Flushdraw

The-Rigger wrote: »

Look you can't rely on maths all the time for everything. I'm more of a feel player anyway.
There isa huge degree of luck in poker as well as skill, and to be acusing people of cheating just becasue they have a better winrate is sore grapes imo.

I think math is idiotic

DAMO72

Flushdraw wrote: »

I think math is idiotic

I think tony fell on his funny bone and cant stop now

Paul Spillane

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhHUt1GkJf8

couldnt find the one where he cheats with the cup of black coffee which is one of the simplest and most ingenious i have seen.

Whyno

Whats a super user
Is it someone who dresses up as super man and plays poker online :pac:

POINTBREAK

The-Rigger wrote: »

Look you can't rely on maths all the time for everything. I'm more of a feel player anyway.
There isa huge degree of luck in poker as well as skill, and to be acusing people of cheating just becasue they have a better winrate is sore grapes imo.

People were accused of cheating and proven to be cheats because of the maths. The reporter worked out that it was mathematically impossible for a series of players to win so much over so long a time.
Maths is an integral part of poker and the basic theory is to try and always be getting the correct odds for a call or raise.

POINTBREAK

Flushdraw wrote: »

But i dont want to raise and scare the fishes away? So you are saying that 72 is favourite over Ace Ace when there is about 5 players?

Yeah but do you think the donkey with the 72 knew the ace was coming? I can get away from the hand if the Ace isnt the last card, but its the only card that lets the donkey win, and to make me pay him off. I probably would have folded if the river was a 6.

Plus there was like a 10 second pause before the last card aswel. Double LOL

You should get yourself a book. Super Systems 1 and 2 are both good. If there are 4 or 5 players in the pot, the 7/2 made the correct play based on pot odds and implied pot odds. After the flop he was still entitled to call with his double gut shot because he was a 32% chance to improve to the virtual nuts.

Flushdraw

POINTBREAK wrote: »

You should get yourself a book. Super Systems 1 and 2 are both good. If there are 4 or 5 players in the pot, the 7/2 made the correct play based on pot odds and implied pot odds. After the flop he was still entitled to call with his double gut shot because he was a 32% chance to improve to the virtual nuts.

Might get a book, but i'm afraid that it will take away from what i know already. If everyone is reading super system, does this not mean that everyone is playing the same way, and then if wont be easy to beat them becasue they will know, that i know, that they know etc? Surely though with my style, i'll have an edge, no?

Whats a double gut shot? He has an opened ender does he not?

Maybe i should have raised 3 big blinds so he wont have the odds to call. Me, i would just throw away 72 whatever the raise is to me

POINTBREAK

Flushdraw wrote: »

Might get a book, but i'm afraid that it will take away from what i know already. If everyone is reading super system, does this not mean that everyone is playing the same way, and then if wont be easy to beat them becasue they will know, that i know, that they know etc? Surely though with my style, i'll have an edge, no?

Whats a double gut shot? He has an opened ender does he not?

Maybe i should have raised 3 big blinds so he wont have the odds to call. Me, i would just throw away 72 whatever the raise is to me

Most people dont read the books because admitting that you can learn more at poker than you already know is like admitting that you are bad at sex. With your style at the minute you are making it more difficult for you to win. A 3 or 4 BB raise would have eliminated the 7/2 and the rest of the rag hands and that is what you need to do so you can make a read on what the player or players left in the pot are likely to have. If you let people limp all the time you will never know where you are after the flop. The general rule is dont lose your money in an unraised pot.

Whyno

Sure super System was probably wrote by some old fairy who never won nathin????
I think Flushdraw should write a book on how to play d Aces the right way cos he played em perfect in that hand.Aces always lose online anyway cos its rigged.

DeadParrot

I think it was written by Tex Brunson or something.
Him and Armadillo Slim were mates who used to play cards in the old West

pgodkin

this thred WTF????

Flushdraw

POINTBREAK wrote: »

Most people dont read the books because admitting that you can learn more at poker than you already know is like admitting that you are bad at sex. With your style at the minute you are making it more difficult for you to win. A 3 or 4 BB raise would have eliminated the 7/2 and the rest of the rag hands and that is what you need to do so you can make a read on what the player or players left in the pot are likely to have. If you let people limp all the time you will never know where you are after the flop. The general rule is dont lose your money in an unraised pot.

Well i have a few books on sex, but when i bought Hustler, i thought it was about the pokers! I dont mind admitting that i need to learn more (talking about poker now, not sex )

I just dont see why you should want to raise more and get rag hands to fold. Surely i want them to call when i'm holding American Airlines? I think i'll go back to playing switch. If only i can get them to understand that jack back before it reverses and you cant finish on a double!