Retarded article by Michael O'Doherty

Riverpineapple

I just read an article in the Evening Herald by Michael O'Doherty about Gerry Ryan's interview with Hugh Hefner. Here it is below:

http://www.herald.ie/entertainment/around-town/hero-worship-of-playboy-hef-exposes-gerrys-flaws-1910978.html

The Dunce Michael O'Doherty makes some dopey comments as I shall display.

Here's a quote from it.

"I'm sorry, but did I miss something? This is a man who just a few minutes previously had been talking about his living arrangements with three Playmates, whose combined age didn't amount to his own, and whom he used sleep with in rotation.
A man who carried his polysexual activities, and his inability to stay faithful to one woman, like a badge of honour. But the minute it was a woman who was doing the dirt, Ryan lets out a censorious, pained expression?
In everyday life Gerry, I'm sure, doesn't for a minute think that it's okay for men to cheat, but not for women."

Firstly at no time during the interview did Hugh Hefner say he cheated, he also said he stayed faithful to his wife for 8 years, so he can manage to stay faithful to one woman according to the interview.

Just because Gerry Ryan empathised with the hurt of Hugh's wife cheating on him doesn't mean he is condoning men cheating but not women, Hugh never even said he cheated. Gerry Ryan was simply empathising.

The reasoning from Michael O'Doherty is seriously bordering on retarded.

Sorry

He sleeps with a number of different partners at the same time. He can't restrict himself to one woman the majority of the time. He was obviously addressing it from that angle.

Riverpineapple

Sorry wrote: »

He sleeps with a number of different partners at the same time. He can't restrict himself to one woman the majority of the time. He was obviously addressing it from that angle.

That angle had nothing to do with it. Sleeping with different partners at the same time doesn't equal cheating, it's plain and simple. He didn't say he can't restrict himself to one woman the majority of the time. If Michael O'Doherty has a moral problem with sleeping with multiple partners he should have made that clear and not slandered Hugh Hefner with cheating. Gerry Ryan's interview was good, not flawed. What's flawed is Michael O'Doherty's basic comprehension and reasoning.

Sorry

The man sleeps with multiple partners and drops girls at a moment's notice, usually when he's bored with them. So I do think it's a bit rich of him to mourn a girlfriend leaving him for someone else.

A good interviewer would have pressed him about his double standards concerning monogamy, i.e. the girls stay monogomous to him but not the other way round. Instead it was the usual Gerry Ryan trash. Gerry thinks he's the Irish Hugh Hefner or something.

One slobbering old fart fawning over another slobbering old fart.

Sorry

As for Michael Doherty, he's an idiotic hack. What did you expect?

Riverpineapple

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The man sleeps with multiple partners and drops girls at a moment's notice, usually when he's bored with them. So I do think it's a bit rich of him to mourn a girlfriend leaving him for someone else.

A good interviewer would have pressed him about his double standards concerning monogamy, i.e. the girls stay monogomous to him but not the other way round. Instead it was the usual Gerry Ryan trash. Gerry thinks he's the Irish Hugh Hefner or something.

One slobbering old fart fawning over another slobbering old fart.

He didn't mourn being cheated on, it came up in conversation, Gerry Ryan said it must have hurt, and Hugh Hefner said it did. That was that, he wasn't looking for sympathy. As far as I can tell he doesn't have double standards, when did he say woman shouldn't be allowed to have multiple relationships at the same time, I've never heard him say it.

There was no evidence in that interview that Hugh Hefner has double standards on monogomy. He didn't condone men or women cheating, he doesn't cheat from the evidence shown, he has relationships with multiple women and new ones all the time, when does he say women shouldn't do that with men. There's no evidence he has double standards of monogomy in that interview.

From what I can tell from the interview Hugh Hefner seemed to be a man of integrity, he entered into monogomous relationships and didn't cheat as far as I can tell and he is open and honest with the women he sleeps with that he wants to sleep with multiple women. Those are his terms, if a woman doesn't want those terms then she can choose not to go out with him. At no time did he say women shouldn't have terms similar to his, therefore no evidence of double standards.

Sorry

There was no evidence in that interview that Hugh Hefner has double standards on monogomy. He didn't condone men or women cheating, he doesn't cheat from the evidence shown, he has relationships with multiple women and new ones all the time, when does he say women shouldn't do that with men. There's no evidence he has double standards of monogomy in that interview.

His 'terms' are that the group is monogomous within itself. The group contains him and two or three other women. The girls within the group are instructed not to sleep with other men, and he keeps rigorous tabs on them all. Most of them eventually stray, as they realise that they're only around to satisfy his sporadic erections; they usually become frustrated, as it's not some sexual free-for-all. Basically, they want to have sex with different, more attractive men, like he does with women.

No need to keep referring back to the interview, my comments about Hefner are based on things I have read about him down through the years. I don't really mind if you think I'm making them up or something.

It's not my place to convince you that Hefner is a decent man, I guess we'll just disagree on that. The article O'Doherty wrote was flawed, as it was framed around cheating, which for all I know, he has never done.

He should have constructed that article in a different way, i.e. discussed the double-standards and sexism in Hefner's lifestyle and criticised Gerry Ryan for not asking more direct questions, instead of sitting there in awe of him.

scanlas

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His 'terms' are that the group is monogomous within itself. The group contains him and two or three other women. The girls within the group are instructed not to sleep with other men, and he keeps rigorous tabs on them all. Most of them eventually stray, as they realise that they're only around to satisfy his sporadic erections; they usually become frustrated, as it's not some sexual free-for-all. Basically, they want to have sex with different, more attractive men, like he does with women.

No need to keep referring back to the interview, my comments about Hefner are based on things I have read about him down through the years. I don't really mind if you think I'm making them up or something.

It's not my place to convince you that Hefner is a decent man, I guess we'll just disagree on that. The article O'Doherty wrote was flawed, as it was framed around cheating, which for all I know, he has never done.

He should have constructed that article in a different way, i.e. discussed the double-standards and sexism in Hefner's lifestyle and criticised Gerry Ryan for not asking more direct questions, instead of sitting there in awe of him.

If the girls want to leave the relationship with him they can. Still no double standards, he knows what he wants and he gets it. He doesn't say women shouldn't want or be allowed to have the same terms in a realtionship as he does. He never says women shouldn't ever have a relationship where they are allowed to sleep with lots of attractive men outside it if thats what all parties concerned agree on.

Sorry

scanlas wrote: »

If the girls want to leave the relationship with him they can. Still no double standards, he knows what he wants and he gets it. He doesn't say women shouldn't want or be allowed to have the same terms in a realtionship as he does. He never says women shouldn't ever have a relationship where they are allowed to sleep with lots of attractive men outside it if thats what all parties concerned agree on.

The fact that the women choose to live like that is irrelevant, I never asid he forces them to sleep with him. To the best of my knowledge, he doesn't allow them to sleep with other men once they form part of his chosen group. If he was truly accepting of a polyamorous lifestyle, then he wouldn't mind his girlfriends sleeping with other men at the same time. The group usually consists of him and a few girls, who aren't even lesbians. So on their side there's no aspect of an open sexual relationship. I believe that's double standards, you don't. So we'll just agree to disagree.

scanlas

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The fact that the women choose to live like that is irrelevant, I never asid he forces them to sleep with him. To the best of my knowledge, he doesn't allow them to sleep with other men once they form part of his chosen group. If he was truly accepting of a polyamorous lifestyle, then he wouldn't mind his girlfriends sleeping with other men at the same time. The group usually consists of him and a few girls, who aren't even lesbians. So on their side there's no aspect of an open sexual relationship. I believe that's double standards, you don't. So we'll just agree to disagree.

It depends how you define double standards. To me double standards ( between men and women) is when you have different rules for men and women. As far as I can tell Hugh Hefner doesn't. If a woman wanted a relationship with multiple men and insisted that the men couldn't see other men that to me is not double standards on behalf of the woman either, and I haven't heard Hugh Hefner say women can't do that.

In the particular relationship Hugh Hefner is in the standards he requires of the women are different to himself according to what you say, but there is nothing wrong with that. He sets out what he wants from the beginning and is honest about it.

You could argue that he has different standards between himself and his grilfriends but there is nothing wrong with that because he is open and honest about what he wants and doesn't force anyone into the relationship.

I've never heard him say he is accepting or not accepting of a polyamourous lifestyle.

Sorry

scanlas wrote: »

It depends how you define double standards. To me double standards ( between men and women) is when you have different rules for men and women. As far as I can tell Hugh Hefner doesn't. If a woman wanted a relationship with multiple men and insisted that the men couldn't see other men that to me is not double standards on behalf of the woman either, and I haven't heard Hugh Hefner say women can't do that.

In the particular relationship Hugh Hefner is in the standards he requires of the women are different to himself according to what you say, but there is nothing wrong with that. He sets out what he wants from the beginning and is honest about it.

You could argue that he has different standards between himself and his grilfriends but there is nothing wrong with that because he is open and honest about what he wants and doesn't force anyone into the relationship.

I've never heard him say he is accepting or not accepting of a polyamourous lifestyle.

He sets out what he wants and is honest about it. I know he is. I still believe he lives by numerous double standards, the fact that the girls are willing participants in those standards doesn't change anything.

I have heard him say he believes in polyamory. He clearly doesn't have a clue what true polyamory is. The bottom line is that his open relationships are not open at all. That's his business, it doesn't mean people don't see it for what it is. And going by your definition of double standards, I believe he lives by double standards. There's no point arguing over it though, if you think he doesn't then fine.