John Perry €190k+ expenses???

bonzos

It good to see that one of our own is up there at the top of the expenses table with the like of the John o dondghue's of this country.How thw hell can this guy justify claiming this amount of expenses in the past 2 years?At least John o Donoghus looked after his own in kerry but our fine bunch of TD's sat on their fingers while SGH has been destroyed!!meanwhile car and buse loads of people with cancer travel to an overworked hodpital in galway daily...:mad:

barr toco

i recently had a conversation with my father about these sort of people,
im from this mans home town,

it cant be justified, me and my dad came to a conclusion of what is going on here, i better not say what that is as i might get banned,
but our conlusions are correct, thers no other word for it,

just work out this sum on a weekly basis, at that point youll have to stop and think, and maybe even puke at the thoughts of it

EuskalHerria

What I love is that these elected representatives expect the average working man and women in getting by with their own pay, they get well paid themselves and expect to be reimbursed for everything they use? Why wouldn't they live it up, who is going to hold them accountable?

bonzos

expenses = €95,000 per year(€190000/2)tax free
wages=€100,000 per year approx
that works out at around €3750 per week!!!!!and he only pay tax on around half of that:eek:that last time i saw him on the paper he was campaining on behalf of some film crew from aisa who were in sligo making a film....meanwhile the bloodly hospital is closing wards on a daily basis!what a total waste of our money!every person who meets mr perry should ask him how he justifies charging the tax payer this sort of money for his "services"

barr toco

a man told my father about an experience he had a while back when he was asked to make a speech about a monument in a town that had been just erected, a great crowed gathered and a lot of well known faces to the area councellors local polatitions and the sort, he wasnt long into the speech when the crowed started to fizzle out very quickly, this man couldnt understand what he was doing wrong, truth is nothing, theese people just turned out to show ther faces and claim ther expences.

barr toco

bonzos wrote: »

expenses = €95,000 per year(€190000/2)tax free
wages=€100,000 per year approx
that works out at around €3750 per week!!!!!and he only pay tax on around half of that:eek:that last time i saw him on the paper he was campaining on behalf of some film crew from aisa who were in sligo making a film....meanwhile the bloodly hospital is closing wards on a daily basis!what a total waste of our money!every person who meets mr perry should ask him how he justifies charging the tax payer this sort of money for his "services"

thats exactly my intention next time im up at the home place,

GG66

barr toco wrote: »

i recently had a conversation with my father about these sort of people,
im from this mans home town,

it cant be justified, me and my dad came to a conclusion of what is going on here, i better not say what that is as i might get banned,
but our conlusions are correct, thers no other word for it,

just work out this sum on a weekly basis, at that point youll have to stop and think, and maybe even puke at the thoughts of it

I expect he travels a lot to and from Dublin

Subsistence rates are allowed for overnight stay ragardless of whether or not accommodation is paid for. This is the same for Civil Service & Businesses ...

Travel expenses are also allowable per mile -- if he drives ...

What's your opinion on how he clocked up so much?

Madge

GG66 wrote: »

I expect he travels a lot to and from Dublin

Subsistence rates are allowed for overnight stay ragardless of whether or not accommodation is paid for. This is the same for Civil Service & Businesses ...

Travel expenses are also allowable per mile -- if he drives ...

Still seems very excessive though doesn't it?

Culchie

bonzos wrote: »

It good to see that one of our own is up there at the top of the expenses table with the like of the John o dondghue's of this country.How thw hell can this guy justify claiming this amount of expenses in the past 2 years?At least John o Donoghus looked after his own in kerry but our fine bunch of TD's sat on their fingers while SGH has been destroyed!!meanwhile car and buse loads of people with cancer travel to an overworked hodpital in galway daily...:mad:

Does this include election expenses?, which I would imagine is a fair whack.

Not being too political about it, but I think he works harder than most of the other TD's about the place, as does his missus and son-in law Dara Mulvey, also a councillor. I think he has been pretty consistent on SGH, so I think you're barking up the wrong tree there. The Perry's are very active fundraisers in local community as well.


Having said that, it's a disgrace what's going on in the country, and it's very easy to solve IMO......the state buy a hotel in Dublin, fully staffed, and all TD's should stay there...no general public allowed....and we'd all save a fortune.

bonzos

How come Jimmy Devins(FF) only managed to to claim €39k in the same period?surely he travels the same distance to dublin as perry!in relation to dara mulvey,it is widely rumoured thay perry "helped" him with is recent campain,surely any money allocated to perry as expenses should not have been used to promote a family member in an election campain....was the cost of posters and leafets for mulvey claimed for with perrys expenses?This still does not explain how he can justify claiming €150k more than devins over the same period.

BennyLava

He has a nice hotel thought

bonzos

BennyLava wrote: »

He has a nice hotel thought

????you have lost me

westtip

thanks to the OP john perry is anothe pig in the trough I won't be voting for.

Slidey

BennyLava wrote: »

He has a nice hotel thought

He owns (or leases I think) The Coach House hotel

GG66

Madge wrote: »

Still seems very excessive though doesn't it?

Yes it is, VERY excessive...

I know TDs get expenses for sitting on committees so some of it's form that ....

I noticed this a few weeks ago when expenses were listed in the indo.. No big deal was made of it so I though it was a misprint.

Ring him and ask him..

As for being hard working - he'd need tobe at that price:eek:

bonzos

I would just hope that John would not be wasting my hard earned tax money,the would be my only concern!!

il gatto

I suspect the disparity between Perry and Devins might be due to the junior ministry held by Devins for much of that period (ironically that of health). I believe a ministry covers alot of the things expenses are usually claimed for. Another direct comparison would be Eamonn Scanlan whose expenses are in the same ballpark as perry's (168,000). I also recall Perry sat on some important committees such as the Govt. Accounts, so maybe that entails more travel and overnights. Tbh the whole lot sounds excessive (with the exception of Devins, but I'm sure there's a good reason behind his apparent frugelness).
No point laying the hospital issue at Perry's door though. He's in the opposition and has no sway with the government. All he can do is make statements, go to meetings and so on, and he's done that. The other two however, although belatedly withdrawing their support (after they'd voted to remove the cancer services in blatant disregard of their electorate's wishes) on that single issue, are still in FF and propping up the people responsible for the closure. They've been busy voting for NAMA amongst other things and at no point asked for Mary Harney's resignation.

bonzos

I agree with you that perry didnt not have as much say in the cancer services issue as devins,but i would love to know how the hell he manages to work uf an average of €1000 a week in expenses!!!on the hospial issue understand that devins was down in tipperary the day that the cancer march was on in sligo and also dodged the float in the paddys day parade..what a waste of space. Sligo's td's seem to be self serving tossers who are only there for the money

Wexler12

I blame the people of this country for electing big shots, if you lie down with dogs you get up with fleas

Madge

Wexler12 wrote: »

I blame the people of this country for electing big shots, if you lie down with dogs you get up with fleas

Not really, it's the system at fault. Forgive my cynicism, but anyone who's elected would do the same regardless of which party they're affiliated to. It's mainly the barrel that's rotten , not just the apples

Slidey

John Perry was never a big shot.

That may be the problem, the people who never had anything of any great substance who get into the Dail are overawed with the whole thing and get greedy

Jabby

Slidey wrote: »

John Perry was never a big shot.

That may be the problem, the people who never had anything of any great substance who get into the Dail are overawed with the whole thing and get greedy

'Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutley'.... They've (FF and FG) both been in government for over 87 years. They have (with the help of the sad excuse of a 'Socialist' Labour party) one time or another, enjoyed all of the lucrative and expensive frills that come with office.

We mustn't lose sight of the fact that at the end of the day, they're both right wing parties who, in order to maintain their dominance over Irish politics and to isolate genuine socialists and forward thinking people, constantly encourage the myth that they're somehow so so different.

Tweedle dum and Tweedle dee.. no difference....exactly the same!

We should reallytake another look at these people from now on and do like they do in practically every other country in the world ...Look at them as either left or right, liberal or conservative ,policy and outlook.

The next election I suggest that we should all try to forget about the old out-dated civil war divisions that both FF and FG are so eager to maintain.

70% of us, the Irish electorate up to now (including myself once upon a time) have voted for these bozos on a regular basis over the years and then we wonder why they have become so complacent, so greedy, so rotten over the years.

We get the politicans we deserve... We deserve better!

rgds,

Jabby

bonzos

Slidey wrote: »

John Perry was never a big shot.

That may be the problem, the people who never had anything of any great substance who get into the Dail are overawed with the whole thing and get greedy

I think you will find that anyone who earns €3500+ a week is a bigshot with a big ego in this country

Madge

bonzos wrote: »

I think you will find that anyone who earns €3500+ a week is a bigshot with a big ego in this country

Thats a bit of a begruder attitude

Slidey

bonzos wrote: »

I think you will find that anyone who earns €3500+ a week is a bigshot with a big ego in this country

I think you will find that I said ''was'' never a big shot.

When he got elected to the Dáil he was running a grocery shop and AFAIR was driving a Nissan Micra at times

EuskalHerria

Slidey wrote: »

When he got elected to the Dáil he was running a grocery shop and AFAIR was driving a Nissan Micra at times

So what's your point? He came from a humble enough background and is now exploiting the people he once belonged too for his own financial gain?

The whole thing is a farce, politicians should be given a return ticket for bus eireann and a voucher to be used in any Dublin hotel. Anything after that they can take from their own wage packet which I'm sure is enough to "scrape" by.

Slidey

My point was that people who do come form a humble back ground and then are given the opportunity to get all that money will be a lot more likely to succumb to the lure of easy money.

Anyway, this is falling into politics territory so I'm out

Son Of A Vidic

I don't support any political party because they are all spineless, corrupt, conniving wasters. But the last politician Sligo had that got anything done for the town, was Ray McSharry.

bonzos

Madge wrote: »

Thats a bit of a begruder attitude

I dont begrude anyone making plenty of money as long as it reflects the service he provides! Do you think madge he is worth €3750 a week??At the of the day my tax is paying for him!If he worked for himself and earned that sort of money in a private business i would say fair play to him.....all i see of him in the media is lauching books for albert reyrolds at his hotel and campaining for some flim crew from asia,good money if you can yet it !!!!!!!!

donegalman1

Is it true that Perry has an advisor that goes almost everywhere with him. Thought only Ministers had this waste of money, but as far as I heard Perry has, might account for some of his staff costs

bonzos

It is in the sunday indo today that mr perry was the third highest "junketier" in the dail between jan 08 -09.It cost us €55k+ the send him and a few of his dail mates to australia and NZ for a conference on ethics!how will this benefit the people of sligo/leitrim? He has come a long way from the nissan micra!!!!!

bonzos

John is back on the front of the Sligo champion today complaining that he "only" earns €600...what a total insult to the fools(tax payers) who are footing the bill for this guy!If he had to get his finger out and save the people of sligo travelling the galway for cancer treatment then that might be something worth putting on the front of the paper.€100k a year+ €90k expenses=€600 per week??????

Son Of A Vidic

Why doesn't the gob$hite give some of his 190K toward filling in the potholes on the road between Ballymote and Tubercurry. I made the mistake of driving that road yesterday, it must have come under heavy mortar fire recently, there are that many potholes on it.

Pete M.

The road out that direction is cat alright, worst I've see and I've seen a few.

As for Perry, he disgusts me, even before this all came out. Makes my skin crawl, though he still gets backing from plenty of the locals obviously.
Typical FG asshole, good for nothing, sleezey, argh....

And the way he goes on about how great the USA is really grates me too.

Essexboy

Pete M. wrote: »

The road out that direction is cat alright, worst I've see and I've seen a few.

As for Perry, he disgusts me, even before this all came out. Makes my skin crawl, though he still gets backing from plenty of the locals obviously.
Typical FG asshole, good for nothing, sleezey, argh....

And the way he goes on about how great the USA is really grates me too.

he still gets backing from plenty of the locals obviously

Like the West Sligo people who elected a man convicted of fraud. I would think it was ironic but they do not do irony in Dromore West.

Going back to Ballymote's politicians what is the story with Pat McGrath (Who? you might ask) who proposed, sucessfully, that the County Council interfere in the Borough's affairs. Just what the County Manager wanted!

The.Q

Essexboy wrote: »

... what is the story with Pat McGrath (Who? you might ask) who proposed, sucessfully, that the County Council interfere in the Borough's affairs. Just what the County Manager wanted!

In what way did he want the CoCo to interfere with the BoroCo affairs? I'm not being sarcastic, I'm genuinely interested.

Essexboy

The.Q wrote: »

In what way did he want the CoCo to interfere with the BoroCo affairs? I'm not being sarcastic, I'm genuinely interested.

Sligo County Council have voted to take over responsibility for the maintenance and construction of all national and regional roads in the Borough Council area for the next five years. The fear is that is an attempt to restore, through the backdoor, the projects rejected by the Borough Council eg the Eastern Bridge

See http://www.sligotoday.ie/details.php?id=7643

proon4

John "expenses" Perry.during the cancer ward debate, said that he would call for a vote of no confidence in the government over the cancer ward closures in Sligo General. Then that would show up the 2 Fianna Fail tds .Jimmy "bluffer" Devins and Eamon" big dinner" Scanlon .If they were genuine they would have had to vote against the government if not then their bluffs would be called. But up to this day "Expenses" Perry has never called for that vote. Why ? Maybe he is afraid that if there was another election at this time he might not be elected ,especially when people realise the amount of money this guy is claiming....... Ponder the thought ?

Buford T Justice

proon4 wrote: »

John "expenses" Perry.during the cancer ward debate, said that he would call for a vote of no confidence in the government over the cancer ward closures in Sligo General. Then that would show up the 2 Fianna Fail tds .Jimmy "bluffer" Devins and Eamon" big dinner" Scanlon .If they were genuine they would have had to vote against the government if not then their bluffs would be called. But up to this day "Expenses" Perry has never called for that vote. Why ? Maybe he is afraid that if there was another election at this time he might not be elected ,especially when people realise the amount of money this guy is claiming....... Ponder the thought ?

Enda Kenny has had at least two votes of no confidence aginst the present incumbents and has lost both of them, Why would John Perry bother?

As for Jimmy Devins? Jaysis, don't get me started.

proon4

Fingers..your missing the point. If "expenses" Perry calls for a no vote of confidence in the government over the cancer ward in Sligo General Hospital The two Sligo/Leitrim Fainna Fail TDs have to support Perry..or lose any bit of face they have left in Sligo/North Leitrim. "bluffer" Devins and "big dinner" Scanlon will have to bring down the government

Voodoo_rasher

ff-ers have been in power for the Bulk of the past 7 Decades , and any Fine Gael reign has been v sporadic when u think abou t it

bonzos

Perry is just milking the most out of his expenses while he is a TD...it is a typical "make hay while the sun shines" attitude! this guy claims that is is getting by on only €600 a week which is a bit of an insult to any of the 400k+ people on SW at the moment concidering that he owns a hardware store,hotel,several parcels of land all over sligo,an apartment in dublin..etc,he also managed to sell a land to the county council for over €300+ in recent times!he does not sound like a man on the breadline.If you compare him to the likes of john o dondghue (which you can)at least JOD "pulled" alot of employment and other services to kerry but our TD's sat on their fingers while our hospital has been downgraded to a glorified nursing home:mad:

The.Q

bonzos wrote: »

<snip>he also managed to sell a land to the county council for over €300+ in recent times!

€300 isn't much for "a land", is it?

Father Dougal

Those marked with ** were only elected during last year therefore their expenses only represent approximately half a year's figures.

* Received Retirement Gratuity
** Only Elected Mid-Way Through 2009
Figures in brackets are the 2008 expenses.

Ballymote Electorial Area

Martin Baker FF €38,832 (€48,950)
Thomas Collery ** FG €13,618
Gerard Mullaney FG €30,871 (€32,022)
Pat McGrath FG €31,634 (€31,417)
John Sherlock* FF €52,000 (€39,989)

Dromore Electoral Area

Mary Barrett FG €35,755 (€38,806)
Michael Clarke ** Ind €12,034)
Paul Comny * FG €63,238 (€30,185)
Dara Mulvey ** FG €13,814
Joe Queenan FF €42,684 (€48,957)

Drumcliffe

Patsy Barry FF €36,670 (€35,304)
Veronica Cawley Lab €63,490 (€47,161)
Jude Devins FF €70,706 (€67,946)
Ita Fox * FG €57,586 (€29,539)
Hubert Keaney ** FG €19,535
Seamus Kilgannon * €58,530, (€54462)
Joe Leonard FG €24,761, (€32,905)
Matt Lyons ** FG €16,679

Strandhill

Declan Bree Ind €41,420 (€47,201)
Deirdre Healy-McGowan €38,592 (€44,471)
Imelda Henry FG €33,686 (€36,368)
Albert Higgins * FF €64,004 (€34,439)
Sean MacManus SF €37,902 (€45,043)
Jim McGarry Lab €61,558 (€56,612)
Tony McLoughlin FG €49,335 (€47,493)
Rosaleen O'Grady FF €27,553

Tubbercurry

Aiden Colleary * FF €57,509 (€40,381)
Michael Fleming FG €31,683 (€36,731)
Margaret Gormley Ind €31,235 (€31,864)
Gerry Lundy FF €36,475 (€42,840)
Gerry Murray FG €46,444 (€33,258)

Total €1,239,835 (€1,034,343)

There are widespread calls for councillor's stipends and expenses capped at €25,000. Others have called for the local government position to be a full-time career and paid accordingly.

This is their expenses, they also get a wage from the council and most have a "full time job"
It's no wonder the country is practically bankrupt.

bonzos

Father Dougal wrote: »

Those marked with ** were only elected during last year therefore their expenses only represent approximately half a year's figures.

* Received Retirement Gratuity
** Only Elected Mid-Way Through 2009
Figures in brackets are the 2008 expenses.

Ballymote Electorial Area

Martin Baker FF €38,832 (€48,950)
Thomas Collery ** FG €13,618
Gerard Mullaney FG €30,871 (€32,022)
Pat McGrath FG €31,634 (€31,417)
John Sherlock* FF €52,000 (€39,989)

Dromore Electoral Area

Mary Barrett FG €35,755 (€38,806)
Michael Clarke ** Ind €12,034)
Paul Comny * FG €63,238 (€30,185)
Dara Mulvey ** FG €13,814
Joe Queenan FF €42,684 (€48,957)

Drumcliffe

Patsy Barry FF €36,670 (€35,304)
Veronica Cawley Lab €63,490 (€47,161)
Jude Devins FF €70,706 (€67,946)
Ita Fox * FG €57,586 (€29,539)
Hubert Keaney ** FG €19,535
Seamus Kilgannon * €58,530, (€54462)
Joe Leonard FG €24,761, (€32,905)
Matt Lyons ** FG €16,679

Strandhill

Declan Bree Ind €41,420 (€47,201)
Deirdre Healy-McGowan €38,592 (€44,471)
Imelda Henry FG €33,686 (€36,368)
Albert Higgins * FF €64,004 (€34,439)
Sean MacManus SF €37,902 (€45,043)
Jim McGarry Lab €61,558 (€56,612)
Tony McLoughlin FG €49,335 (€47,493)
Rosaleen O'Grady FF €27,553

Tubbercurry

Aiden Colleary * FF €57,509 (€40,381)
Michael Fleming FG €31,683 (€36,731)
Margaret Gormley Ind €31,235 (€31,864)
Gerry Lundy FF €36,475 (€42,840)
Gerry Murray FG €46,444 (€33,258)

Total €1,239,835 (€1,034,343)

There are widespread calls for councillor's stipends and expenses capped at €25,000. Others have called for the local government position to be a full-time career and paid accordingly.

This is their expenses, they also get a wage from the council and most have a "full time job"
It's no wonder the country is practically bankrupt.

This is unreal when you concider V Cawley gets paid over €60k a year for a part time job and also wasted our money on a reception for a chancer who repeatly lied on court. Ever person in Sligo should persue this woman over what value we are getting for OUR €60k!!!!the only problem is she spend is away on so many bloody junckets you have more chance for meeting her in a different country than in sligo:rolleyes:

Pete M.

Well the retirement gratuity for Conmy is about the only thing that approaches giving value for money. At least he's gone.

And Jude's car must flipping well drink the juice hah :rolleyes:

Yes, you're absolutely right, it is sickening.

But when will it stop?
The vast majority won't do anything to try and change the system.

It's a joke.

It's actually a sick joke, because there are some (see above) who are laughing

at us....

EuskalHerria

I'm not sure if I posted this already. I had this discussion with a taxi driver, and the topic quickly went to why do politicians get expenses at all? They should get the same wage that most people in this country get and nothing more. People here have to drive to work, get their lunches and have other expenses as a result of their employment, and it is rare if ever they are given anything for those expenses. It seem ridiculous that politicians get paid below the average wage, yet claim so much in expenses. They should be paid the average industrial wage and that's it. Anything else is ridiculous and will inevitably lead to certain politicians capitalising on the expenses scheme.

bonzos

Pete M. wrote: »

Well the retirement gratuity for Conmy is about the only thing that approaches giving value for money. At least he's gone.

And Jude's car must flipping well drink the juice hah :rolleyes:

Yes, you're absolutely right, it is sickening.

But when will it stop?
The vast majority won't do anything to try and change the system.

It's a joke.

It's actually a sick joke, because there are some (see above) who are laughing

at us....

Pity he cant get himself a handfree kit...Its rare to see him driving without a phone in his hand!Maybe he is one of Sligo towns group of "special" people who dont have to obey the rules of the road:rolleyes:

lowlife

I've known the man since 1979, when he was single-handedly stocking the shelves off the supermarket late every night, while the rest of the town were either asleep or living it up.
In terms of sheer hard work, he has never relented for 30 years.
He was instrumental in extracting a 5-figure sum owed to me by a certain organisation, when all else had failed. As for councillor Dara Mulvey, he is a great guy who is always willing to help.
That's my experience anyway, and I'm not even a native of Sligo, Ballymote, or even Ireland.
Some of the posts here remind me of the 'nation of begrudgers' syndrome.

Also, as someone else pointed out, he has been involved in many fund-raising activities over the years. We're all in the same boat, so I think a little 'credit where credit is due' is in order.

Sligored

lowlife wrote: »

I've known the man since 1979, when he was single-handedly stocking the shelves off the supermarket late every night, while the rest of the town were either asleep or living it up.
In terms of sheer hard work, he has never relented for 30 years.
He was instrumental in extracting a 5-figure sum owed to me by a certain organisation, when all else had failed. As for councillor Dara Mulvey, he is a great guy who is always willing to help.
That's my experience anyway, and I'm not even a native of Sligo, Ballymote, or even Ireland.
Some of the posts here remind me of the 'nation of begrudgers' syndrome.

Also, as someone else pointed out, he has been involved in many fund-raising activities over the years. We're all in the same boat, so I think a little 'credit where credit is due' is in order.

i have also found john perry a genuine guy in business and quite generous in sponsorship on a local level.

EuskalHerria

lowlife wrote: »

I've known the man since 1979, when he was single-handedly stocking the shelves off the supermarket late every night, while the rest of the town were either asleep or living it up.
In terms of sheer hard work, he has never relented for 30 years.
He was instrumental in extracting a 5-figure sum owed to me by a certain organisation, when all else had failed. As for councillor Dara Mulvey, he is a great guy who is always willing to help.
That's my experience anyway, and I'm not even a native of Sligo, Ballymote, or even Ireland.
Some of the posts here remind me of the 'nation of begrudgers' syndrome.

Also, as someone else pointed out, he has been involved in many fund-raising activities over the years. We're all in the same boat, so I think a little 'credit where credit is due' is in order.

A five figure some? Ya I guess that would be enough for me to ignore most aspects of a man and peddle ridiculously biased opinion as if it has some merit.