Gilroy gets an extension: have the DCB gone mad???

The Minstrel

Have the DCB lost their marbles??? They gave Gilroy 2 years to get it right, and in the first year he subjects us to the most humiliating, moral-sapping defeat I've ever witnessed. He's a novice manager...we were all thinking that the county board made a shocking appointment, but we may as well stand behind this hapless plonker for the full 2 year term.

What do they do????
They hand this blubbering oaf another year. Where's the logic in that? His first year was an unprecedented disaster. His one-trick pony tactic for winning the All-Ireland was to use Whelan and Ryan as "depth" on the bench. When you think about the good and proven managers out there, you have to wonder why Gilroy was given the job. :mad: Are we now using the excuse that Dublin are a team in transition?

Daysha

That's a bit odd. You'd think they'd at least wait and see how they do in 2010 before deciding to give him a contract extension.

Royal Seahawk

I think it is an excellent decision.

homerjay2005

vote of confidence to settle the nerves and doubts.

the pope, alex ferguson, obama and micko could have been looking after the dubs on that faithful BH monday and they still would have been hockied. it was one of those days where everything went wrong. the dubs were on a hiding to nothing that day, i only wish it was tyrone.

its some of the players that need the boot, not the manager.

An Citeog

The Minstrel wrote: »

Have the DCB lost their marbles??? They gave Gilroy 2 years to get it right, and in the first year he subjects us to the most humiliating, moral-sapping defeat I've ever witnessed. He's a novice manager...we were all thinking that the county board made a shocking appointment, but we may as well stand behind this hapless plonker for the full 2 year term.

What do they do????
They hand this blubbering oaf another year. Where's the logic in that? His first year was an unprecedented disaster. His one-trick pony tactic for winning the All-Ireland was to use Whelan and Ryan as "depth" on the bench. When you think about the good and proven managers out there, you have to wonder why Gilroy was given the job. :mad: Are we now using the excuse that Dublin are a team in transition?

While I agree with the general sentiments of your post and find it strange that the DCB has decided to extend Gilroy's contract already, your personal attacks on the man are pathetic.:rolleyes:

It's not Gilroy's fault that Dublin haven't reached an All Ireland final since 95. I think it's time to accept that the current crop of players just aren't good enough. There's a decent core group of players there but the fat needs to be trimmed from the squad and some fresh new faces brought in(preferably from some of the smaller clubs).

Kenteach

Have to agree that an extension is an odd decision, but the attacks on the manager are even more odd. They had a decent season, culminating in a horrific defeat. Any side in the country would have been destroyed that day. Gilroy may not be the solution, but he certainly isn't the problem either.

spongeman

They need a manager from outside Dublin. They have the players. Somebody to instill confidence and toughness in them.

I know coming from Wicklow that somebody from outside needs to come into a county and kick some heads, somebody with no connections.

Dublin should have jumped on Joe Kiernan or Sean Boylan.

Gator

Your right, they need a new manager, but alot of the players need to be dropped, they just cannot hack intercounty football.

Diabhal Beag

Its not the manager that's the problem. Its the fact they haven't an All-Ireland winning team TBH

joey54

It wouldn't have been fair to have given him the sack after just one year in charge, I don't get why they didn't just do it for one year with the option of the extra one depending on how things go for us next year.

I hope this time they sit down and discuss what happened on that awful bank holiday Monday. Was shocked to discover they never talked about that Tyrone match.

Gingy

Any suggestions of getting rid of Gilroy are ridiculous. He doesn't have the players, I've been at a few club championship games in Dublin recently and I left feeling sorry for Gilroy, the quality of player out there in Dublin is not up to the required level to win an All-Ireland. Exemplified by the fact that we haven't won an All-Ireland Minor title in 25 years. Winning 5 Leinster titles in a row is a decent achievement, something that we couldn't win a few years back.

If you do get rid of Gilroy, who would replace him. A combination of Mick O'Dwyer, Sean Boylan, Kevin Heffernan and Harry Houdini would struggle to win sam with Dublin. As has been mentioned, it gives him more breathing space and security for this year. Look at the most successful managers in sport, they have all been given time and not turfed out at the first sign of defeat. The worst case scenario would be to sack Gilroy and put some new startled earwig in to take on the pressure of being Dublin manager.

corny

We're not good enough.

Dublin are a decent side and if things fall right for them on any given day they could (and i emphasise could) win an All-Ireland but what happened last season wasn't Gilroys fault. The players took the pitch and simply capitulated. They did the same thing under Caffrey a year earlier. You're finding fault with the wrong prople. It's the players that should get the sack.

blackbelt

corny wrote: »

We're not good enough.

Dublin are a decent side and if things fall right for them on any given day they could (and i emphasise could) win an All-Ireland but what happened last season wasn't Gilroys fault. The players took the pitch and simply capitulated. They did the same thing under Caffrey a year earlier. You're finding fault with the wrong prople. It's the players that should get the sack.

QFT,

And it was reported that this surgery could see 12 Dublin players exit the panel.Its not looking great for the short to medium term and even winning another Leinster Title next year could prove a difficult task depending on who stays and who goes and who gets their chance to shine.

Jason Sherlock,Dermot Connolly,Mark Vaughan,Shane Ryan,Ross McConnell,Eamon Fennell,Tiernan Diamond,Declan Lally,Kevin Bonner and Paul Casey are names that look to be in grave danger of being axed for either not featuring in quite some time,not being on the managements agenda,not being liked by a certain member of management,injury,indiscipline or ongoing club transfer issues.

The only positives I can see for our new prospects is Brendan McManoman,Dean Rock,Ted Furman (if fit),Mark Davoran and a few new faces.There is going to be a void in midfield with Whelan gone,Ryan out of favour,Fennell out so long,McConnell and Magee not at the races in crucial games.

The future for Dublin footballers looks a bit bleak at this time.

The Minstrel

They were harping on that giving Gilroy an extra year takes off a bit of the pressure. Where's this mindset coming from? The story goes in Kerry that if you don't win the All-Ireland you're nobody...there's pressure for you...not a bunch of nonces like Gilroy making excuses about a team in transition.

Tommy Lyons came in and produced in the first year with a raft of changes...Cosgrove hit the post and we were unlucky. He came back the next year, it didn't work out. He stepped aside...none of this guff about rebuilding a team, no excuses etc.

Caffrey came in and brought in a rake of new players, blooded them in the O'Byrne etc and all looked to be going well. Maybe he stayed a year too long. Gilroy comes along and doesn't really unearth anyone. Next thing you know, Darren Magee is our new saviour - Magee has been in the squad since Tommy Carr's reign. Homan kept him out then, and all of a sudden he's the no. 1 in midfield? The retention of McConnell and Magee in the middle was the misguided hand of the perennial novice.

LeoB

Its easy to sit back and be critical of Pat Gilroy and D.C.B but the truth has been stated by a number of people here, Dublin simply dont have the talent on the panel to win an All-Ireland. I do believe there are players in Dublin good enough but they are not only with the few "Big" clubs.

It could take Dublin 4 or 5 years be in serious contention for All-Ireland. The mindset of a lot of people needs to be changed viz where we look for players.

My biggest pet hate about it and a problem Gilroy and previous managers has is a lot of good Dublin underage players are standing on their club lines because they have brought in the "imports".

In fairness to Gilroy also, who really saw the pasting coming we got from Kerry? IMO Gilroy done everything right up to then but some big players let him down badly.

soundsham

agree totally with previous poster
how people get so hyped up for a team that hasn't been in a final for near 15 years is no help to anybody,Dublin are just not good enough simple as that
but on the original quetion I can't see enough in what gilroy has done to deseve an extension

Kenteach

Yeah, this thread has raised two issues. Firstly, why the extension? There does not seem to be any justification for this. Secondly, it has brought to the forefront the fact that Dublin do not have players of the standard required to win an All Ireland. I'm from a county that hasn't a prayer of winning a Leinster, let alone an all Ireland, for a very long time, so at the start of every season i have no expectation from my own county and spend my time trying to identify who will win honours in that season. I haven't looked at Dublin twice in about 10 years. They've never had enough big game players at the same time. Can't see that changing any time soon with a county championship featuring so many players who can't or won't play for Dublin.

LeoB

Kenteach wrote: »

Yeah, this thread has raised two issues. Firstly, why the extension? There does not seem to be any justification for this. Secondly, it has brought to the forefront the fact that Dublin do not have players of the standard required to win an All Ireland. I'm from a county that hasn't a prayer of winning a Leinster, let alone an all Ireland, for a very long time, so at the start of every season i have no expectation from my own county and spend my time trying to identify who will win honours in that season. I haven't looked at Dublin twice in about 10 years. They've never had enough big game players at the same time. Can't see that changing any time soon with a county championship featuring so many players who can't or won't play for Dublin.

I think the extension was given mainly because Gilroy has a plan, a good plan at that. He is a successful businessman.

At the start of this year Gilroy brought in a few new lads and dropped some big names, Whelan, Ryan and Cullen and the lads he replaced them with done well. He was called all sorts of names when Dublin only scraped over Meath but I felt at the time it was great that he stood by these new players and they won a tough encounter. He also put more experienced lads on their toes The plus side of what he done was to let people know if lads stood up and done the business he would stand by them. This he did and I think in the process cynical people like me in Dublin (we were cynical because lads from small clubs dont get picked) said maybe things are changing and he will look further than Senior championship games in Parnell Pk. In doing what he done I think Gilroy has won a lot of people over and he recognises the fact that there are the players in Dublin outside Senior div 1 ranks who are exceptionally good players. If he is going to develop players from smaller clubs it will take time and sure why not give it to him?

Redsalltheway

With Whelo and Jayo gone I think he has to build a new team next year so it is unfair to judge him next season.
It will be hard to progress next season but maybe in 2 years time Sam wiil be back.
I don't know who is better than him for the job.

aidan24326

The Minstrel wrote: »

Have the DCB lost their marbles??? They gave Gilroy 2 years to get it right, and in the first year he subjects us to the most humiliating, moral-sapping defeat I've ever witnessed. He's a novice manager...we were all thinking that the county board made a shocking appointment, but we may as well stand behind this hapless plonker for the full 2 year term.

What do they do????
They hand this blubbering oaf another year. Where's the logic in that? His first year was an unprecedented disaster. His one-trick pony tactic for winning the All-Ireland was to use Whelan and Ryan as "depth" on the bench. When you think about the good and proven managers out there, you have to wonder why Gilroy was given the job. :mad: Are we now using the excuse that Dublin are a team in transition?

I think that's a bit harsh. Leaving the Kerry game aside Gilroy's first year didn't go too badly, and although Dublin were undoubtedly poor in that game, you could argue they were a bit unfortunate to come up against a Kerry team who rediscovered their best form with a vengeance (Kerry would have hammered most teams the way they played that day).

But in a way that Kerry defeat could be a blessing in disguise, as it leaves the management in no doubt that major surgery is required. Gilroy may or may not be the answer but who would you bring in instead? Give the guy a chance.

hill16dub

when i here we are just not good enough, what a lame comment.
Are we as bad as we were against Kerry, NO

Look at the irish team under Stan and now Trap. Doesn't that tell a huge story

We had no plan, bad selections, bad substitutions and lack of belief

I'm very surprised he has yet to prove any sort of form.

But it has to be said when did the Dublin County Board ever make sensible decisions? answers on a postcard

Spiritoftheseventies

Think the addition of David Hickey as a selector is a good plus. As well as being part of our legendary Dublin team from seventies, he is forthright in his views and has the courage of his convictions.

Spiritoftheseventies

soundsham wrote: »

agree totally with previous poster
how people get so hyped up for a team that hasn't been in a final for near 15 years is no help to anybody,Dublin are just not good enough simple as that
but on the original quetion I can't see enough in what gilroy has done to deseve an extension

The logic is that it gives him more time to lay down roots. But lets not go there with hype and the Dublin hype and our last all Ireland appearance. pre back door era we were getting to finals at least four or five times a decade.

soundsham

Redsalltheway wrote: »

With Whelo and Jayo gone I think he has to build a new team next year so it is unfair to judge him next season.
It will be hard to progress next season but maybe in 2 years time Sam wiil be back.
I don't know who is better than him for the job.

many non-dubs

Spiritoftheseventies

soundsham wrote: »

many non-dubs

Last time we brought in a non dub there were huge recriminations. it has been tried before.
This went down to DCB getting rid of Carr on a very controversial vote and if they had given him the extra year who knows.

aidan24326

bayviewclose wrote: »

Last time we brought in a non dub there were huge recriminations. it has been tried before.
This went down to DCB getting rid of Carr on a very controversial vote and if they had given him the extra year who knows.

Tommy Carr is a terrible manager, done nothing with any of the teams he's managed.

LeoB

bayviewclose wrote: »

Last time we brought in a non dub there were huge recriminations. it has been tried before.
This went down to DCB getting rid of Carr on a very controversial vote and if they had given him the extra year who knows.

The big clubs bullied Carr out. We had an oppertunity to nail a high profile man from outside the county and let it slip. Gilroy is there now whether we like it or not and he should get the full support of everyone.

We need to ask ourselves would an outsider want the job? Would an outsider take the job? Some of the people who screamed for Carr to be ousted at the time are pretty quick to import lads for their clubs. This will always be remembered by people who could be in line for Dubs managers job in future
Carr was so close to making a breakthrough another year might have made a difference. Who knows.

Spiritoftheseventies

aidan24326 wrote: »

Tommy Carr is a terrible manager, done nothing with any of the teams he's managed.

Thats absolute nonsense. Dublin took Kerry to two games one year down in Thurles. Get your facts straight!

dcr22B

bayviewclose wrote: »

Think the addition of David Hickey as a selector is a good plus. As well as being part of our legendary Dublin team from seventies, he is forthright in his views and has the courage of his convictions.

I'm sorry bayview but I'm a Raheny man and my father played on the same team as him back in the glory days. He nearly crashed the car when I told him that Hickey was to be Giller's new selector. He stated that he has no managerial experience and would have been surprised that he would have an interest in it (not meant as a slight at the man).

I think, as he is a transplant surgeon, he has been brought in to transplant some cojones into the Dublin panel so we'll have the bottle to win the bigger games.

Sorry but that's the cynic in me!

Spiritoftheseventies

dcr22B wrote: »

I'm sorry bayview but I'm a Raheny man and my father played on the same team as him back in the glory days. He nearly crashed the car when I told him that Hickey was to be Giller's new selector. He stated that he has no managerial experience and would have been surprised that he would have an interest in it (not meant as a slight at the man).

I think, as he is a transplant surgeon, he has been brought in to transplant some cojones into the Dublin panel so we'll have the bottle to win the bigger games.

Sorry but that's the cynic in me!

This an extract from an article from SINDO

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/gilroy-begins-the-healing-process-1910496.html

" But beyond the graceful forward who lit up many Dublin attacking raids in the 1970s, and that brief cameo in 1999, who is he? Those who have known him for years describe Hickey as a passionate defender of justice and equality, reflected in the Cuban protest, who has always maintained a keen interest in Dublin football. His work as a consultant urologist and transplant surgeon has militated against a more hands-on role. In recent years he has had to battle serious illness and if Dublin footballers are feeling sorry for themselves after a 17-point drubbing from Kerry, he may be the Pollyanna that's required to lift the gloom.

In 2001 during the reign of Tom Carr, the final turbulent year of that ministry, Hickey was invited into the squad's training sessions and asked to talk to them about the more human aspects of their vocation. "I knew David to a degree," says Carr, "and liked or understood his views on football and playing for Dublin and what it meant and the team ethos. And I just asked him in to see would he talk to the team a few times and I have to say he was outstanding, in terms of relating to fellas. What he said was genuine and very apt and I know the players had great time for him and enjoyed it."

For me Hickey is someone who will challenge the status quo in there. He was never afraid to speak out against Heffo or on other matters and that tells me the guy has something about him.
If anything else those Dublin lads should just sit down and watch footage of him from the seventies. A gem of a forward in my view.
I know Alan Larkin who played with Hickey (comments further down in same article) welcomed the move so thats good enough for me.
And btw I'm a Raheny man too!

Marse

Having a development plan is one thing and that will take a few years, fine. Not having the level of players available currently to win and AI is another, I’ll buy that too. But a manager that plays the weaker of his two midfield partnerships and when we are being destroyed in the backs and Midfield takes off a corner forward is a whole other ball game (the stereo typical reaction of a manager with not enough experience).
Not blaming the manager for the loss, as the way the players were going about their business, we were never going to win that game, but there were one or two glaringly obvious mistakes made by the management team.

I truly hope with another league campaign he improves on this experience and decision making.

grenache

The Dublin CB were of course correct in giving Pat Gilroy an extension. The panel of players has been badly exposed two years in a row now, the problems that beset the current panel were there before Gilroy arrived. Nothing would be achieved by firing him, its the players that are the problem not the management.

soundsham

bayviewclose wrote: »

The logic is that it gives him more time to lay down roots. But lets not go there with hype and the Dublin hype and our last all Ireland appearance. pre back door era we were getting to finals at least four or five times a decade.

pre back door era dublin had better players........ffs the whole country says the back door doesn't suit weaker teams........

point is still very strange to give a manager a 3rd year after getting what ? 5 or 6 out of 10 last year,
what if the dubs flop next year.....

Spiritoftheseventies

soundsham wrote: »

pre back door era dublin had better players........ffs the whole country says the back door doesn't suit weaker teams........

point is still very strange to give a manager a 3rd year after getting what ? 5 or 6 out of 10 last year,
what if the dubs flop next year.....

How is it strange. Give the guy a chance. He will be judged on this season (2010) and next after that and with Shane Ryan committing to the hurlers (and fair play to Ryan for always giving his all to the cause as backed up by his all star last year) we will have a lot of new blood in the team.