Hell In A Cell Build Up Discussion (Spoilers inside)

Bounty Hunter

October 4th New Jersey

Matches announced:

Ziggler vs Morrison (IC Title)
Cena vs Orton - HIAC WWE title match
DX vs Legacy - HIAC match

and you gotta assume, The Undertaker vs CM Punk - HIAC HW title match

Discuss

DM_7

I can't believe you stole in ahead of me.

Before breaking point i expected to be looking forward to taker v punk the most. Now i think i'm loking forward to Cena v Orton most.

PS you forgot the spoilers bit for the thread name

Bounty Hunter

well you gave me the idea.

id also say we will have the MVP/Henry vs Jerishow rematch and probably a womens title match seing as their was non at breaking point and maybe one more match

DM_7

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

well you gave me the idea.

id also say we will have the MVP/Henry vs Jerishow rematch and probably a womens title match seing as their was non at breaking point and maybe one more match

MVP and WSM v Jerishow could well happen again. I enjoyed the last bout for the most part.

chopperbyrne

Rey's suspension will be up by then so I expect Rey and Batista to challenge for the tag belts.

DM_7

chopperbyrne wrote: »

Rey's suspension will be up by then so I expect Rey and Batista to challenge for the tag belts.

Didn't realise he would be back in time. After watching Samckdown you may well be right.

chopperbyrne

It finishes on the 2nd.

Furious-Red

Looks like DX will get the last word in the feud with Legacy

CMpunked

I used to like the HIAC match.

Red Sleeping Beauty

CMpunked wrote: »

I used to like the HIAC match.

Eh, me too. HBK v. Taker was bleedin' fantastic {back in what feels like the really really olden days} . Now it's become a bit of a cult match hasn't it ? The KotR one was crazy and a bit of a bump fest but still it was worth watching.

I'd say there's been more crap Hell in a Cell matches than there have been good ones. What the hell is DX and Legacy in a Hell in a Cell match going to do ? Cena and Orton in a Hell in a Cell match ? - lol as they say on the net

I'll be sitting this one out

DM_7

Alan Rouge wrote: »

Eh, me too. HBK v. Taker was bleedin' fantastic {back in what feels like the really really olden days} . Now it's become a bit of a cult match hasn't it ? The KotR one was crazy and a bit of a bump fest but still it was worth watching.

I'd say there's been more crap Hell in a Cell matches than there have been good ones. What the hell is DX and Legacy in a Hell in a Cell match going to do ? Cena and Orton in a Hell in a Cell match ? - lol as they say on the net

I'll be sitting this one out

Whatever about DX and Legacy.

But Cena Orton could be brilliant. Did you see their I quit match? It was fantastic.

michael.etc...

Alan Rouge wrote: »

I'd say there's been more crap Hell in a Cell matches than there have been good ones. What the hell is DX and Legacy in a Hell in a Cell match going to do ? Cena and Orton in a Hell in a Cell match ? - lol as they say on the net

I don't agree with this at all. HIAC almost always delivers, regardless of the circumstances heading in. Off the top of my head...

Undertaker vs Batista was suprisingly great, a really brutal, smart slugfest.

Edge vs Taker- was also great, ingeniously bringing together different storyline points from throughout their epic feud.

Batista vs HHH, was another really exciting battle, easily still one of Dave's best efforts (although for me he's come on alot to deliver in the odd non-gimmick match), and it had that really clever finishing sequence.

Undertaker vs Orton was another fine encounter, that suffered from being the climax to a wacky feud that Orton looked far too weak throughout.

HHH vs Nash was way, way above expectations, mostly due to Foley's involvement, but still- both guys delivered.

HHH vs Jericho was a good bout, spoiled a little by a lack of heat, attributed to the fact that the stipulation was tacked on, and both Jericho's heat, and HHH's popularity had taken a tumble on the PPV prior. But, this match did provide the precedent for future HIAC efforts, by not having either guy come off the top- which was really important.
Brock vs Undertaker was absolutely brilliant.

HHH/Foley was a really, really good piece of business too.

The Six-Man from Armaggedon 00 was a bit pointless in my book, but on the night, it was a belter of a match. Similar to the DX/McMahon's match. I didn't see this comedy feud as HIAC worthy, but they produced a really hot, bloodthirsty match.

And in general, most people tend to agree with these sentiments. They were all well-recieved. Even Michaels/HHH, which was far too long, and dragged, was well enough liked by the live crowd, and has it's admirers.

Cena/Orton could be fantastic. These two are great storytellers, and really excel when they're in the right environment and given a good hook to sell.
DX/Legacy- hard to say. Big, big match for Legacy, but it probably makes more sense feud-wise, to do this, than Taker/Punk (though in saying that, it'll probably be in a cell too).
Regardless, the HIAC ppv concept is crazy, and more than one match in it is far too many, but taken alone, i'm sure the HIAC matches will deliver.

3hn2givr7mx1sc

Box Office yes?

CMpunked

The Armageddon match on the night was pretty dam good.

Looking back at it seems like a staple in what was known to be normal business in the attitude era.

Wonder will mcmahon try and rip the wall down on this one. :pac:

Bounty Hunter

baz2009 wrote: »

Box Office yes?

unfortunately yes. Im sure they know just the words Hell in a Cell will somewhat draw in the buys so PPV is the place for it.

flahavaj

I'm counting on Orton and Cena to really bring it in this one. After months of not giving a toss about their feud, they really made me care at the last PPV. Don't let me down lads, please.

briany

I caught the last bit of the undertaker-CM Punk match from Breaking Point and it was pretty good, or at least what I saw of it was anyways. However, to reiterate the point thats already been made in this thread, the hell in the cell matches that have gone before this one will not be topped so I won't be hoping for that (nor would I want to). Hell in the cell matches since the HBK-Undertaker and Mankind-Undertaker encounters have never been what you might hope as a result because what could you really do that would ever top those two classics? Sure you could have a classic straight wrestling match but at some point they'd have to do the whole grind your opponent's face into the mesh thing which has done so so many times before. Anyway dont think I'll be watching this one, mostly cause sky are probably charging for it. Remember the good old days when they didn't charge you any extra for PPVs, even Wrestlemania?

Red Sleeping Beauty

DM-ICE wrote: »

Whatever about DX and Legacy.

But Cena Orton could be brilliant. Did you see their I quit match? It was fantastic.

briany wrote: »

I caught the last bit of the undertaker-CM Punk match from Breaking Point and it was pretty good, or at least what I saw of it was anyways. However, to reiterate the point thats already been made in this thread, the hell in the cell matches that have gone before this one will not be topped so I won't be hoping for that (nor would I want to). Hell in the cell matches since the HBK-Undertaker and Mankind-Undertaker encounters have never been what you might hope as a result because what could you really do that would ever top those two classics? Sure you could have a classic straight wrestling match but at some point they'd have to do the whole grind your opponent's face into the mesh thing which has done so so many times before. Anyway dont think I'll be watching this one, mostly cause sky are probably charging for it. Remember the good old days when they didn't charge you any extra for PPVs, even Wrestlemania?

Well just on this point, years ago when steel cage matches where what the Hell in a Cell is now (ye know, big serious match that's so rare you only get one a year and it's the match to end all matches to end feuds etc.). In cage matches there was always the standard few moves like "oooh , he's nearly out of the cage ; oh no!!!! he's got him by the hair!!!" and the grinding into the cage thing or slamming their face into the steel bars.

Oh and yeah, I remember when you could get PPVs on Sky Sports 1 before Box OFfice took them over in 2002 (starting with the 4 events Channel 4 used to show - RR and the April , July and December PPV). WrestleMania XX was the last "free" WM PPV.

Dime101

Im really looking foward to the Morrison match,Im hoping he does some epic high flying stuff off the cell.

Im sure there will be enough action in all the matches combined to make it worth watching.

Orton is gonna win the title,or get so badly "injured" that he will be out for a while.

Thats my 2 cents.

Driver 8

Will Bragging Rights be box office or sky sports, then?

briany

Alan Rouge wrote: »

Well just on this point, years ago when steel cage matches where what the Hell in a Cell is now (ye know, big serious match that's so rare you only get one a year and it's the match to end all matches to end feuds etc.). In cage matches there was always the standard few moves like "oooh , he's nearly out of the cage ; oh no!!!! he's got him by the hair!!!" and the grinding into the cage thing or slamming their face into the steel bars.

Oh and yeah, I remember when you could get PPVs on Sky Sports 1 before Box OFfice took them over in 2002 (starting with the 4 events Channel 4 used to show - RR and the April , July and December PPV). WrestleMania XX was the last "free" WM PPV.

Yeah that's true about the steel cage, but I think theres more options with the cage too, you know? You can do aerial moves off the top,an outside party could slam the door on a wrestler's head or chuck a devestating weapon in when the ref is distracted/knocked out and as you mentioned the whole struggle to get out but, oh not quite. Of course, all these gimmick matches have their spots that pop up, they just wouldn't be the same without them would they? Actually a cage between them i'd love to see. Wonder if 'Taker still has it in him to pull off some crazy dive off the top of the cage?

von Smallhausen

Driver 8 wrote: »

Will Bragging Rights be box office or sky sports, then?

Lets just say for now it will be Sky...

JP Liz

Damn i was too late

I hope this will be the end of the Orton/Cena feud and also Legacy/DX feud

jossnjuice

briany wrote: »

Wonder if 'Taker still has it in him to pull off some crazy dive off the top of the cage?

for the love of all thats holy, and for takers future, lets hope not, although i would be quiet happy to see CM take a foley bump......cant see it happenin though somehow!!:rolleyes:

JP Liz

Hell in a Cell for the World Heavyweight Title
CM Punk vs. The Undertaker

Hell in a Cell Match for the WWE Title
John Cena vs. Randy Orton

Hell in a Cell Tag Team Match
DX vs. Legacy

WWE Unified Tag Team Title Match
Chris Jericho & Big Show vs. Batista & Rey Mysterio

Triple Threat for the WWE United States Title
Kofi Kingston vs. The Miz vs. Jack Swagger

WWE Intercontinental Title Match
John Morrison vs. Dolph Ziggler

WWE Divas Title Match
Mickie James vs. Alicia Fox

Penn

This is obviously a minor issue, but am I the only one who doesn't like the look of the new cell? I know it was used in the DX vs McMahons and Big Show match, but something about it is very off-putting. I think its the mesh or something

Again, a minor issue, but if there's going to be 3 matches in it it may end up seriously doing my nut in

Red Sleeping Beauty

paddyirishman85 wrote: »

This is obviously a minor issue, but am I the only one who doesn't like the look of the new cell? I know it was used in the DX vs McMahons and Big Show match, but something about it is very off-putting. I think its the mesh or something

Again, a minor issue, but if there's going to be 3 matches in it it may end up seriously doing my nut in

Yeah, the damn thing blocks your view!

The horizontal struts obscure the view of the camera from the medium wide shots. I've only watched the Dx/McMahons one on DVD and the Edge/Taker match on an internet video that was a bit poor.

michael.etc...

This was the first thing I noticed as well, when I saw The DX/McMahons match- one of those horizontal beams obscures some guys upper bodies when they go to medium/long shots. It's really irritating.

The Cell's too big in my opinion, it's less claustrophobic looking, and more of an eye sore.

Penn

The steel mesh seems tighter too, meaning its harder to see through. Don't see why they had to change it. Reinforce the roof, sure, but no need to make a whole new one. I can't remember if they said they needed a bigger one because of the DX vs McMahons and Big Show, ie. 5 men and one of them is the Big Show, but the 6-man Armaggedon one had Rikishi and Taker, and they were even on top of the cell together.

Get used to it I suppose, just prefer the old one

Red Sleeping Beauty

They made a bigger one so that they could have high flying moves and bumps off of ladders because previously it had been a bit tight. The Armageddon Cell match went outside and everyone climbed up on top to have a bit of a fight up there and then Rikishi took a bump into a truck and there was fighting up near the titantron so it wasn't all just 6 guys in the cell.

There was no need to make it taller but they want to give the option for the big bumps. If you look at all the Cell matches since Taker/Foley's, they've tried to top each one every time by adding something fancy.

The closest thing to "something new" the Taker/Boss Man match had was a hanging. The Foley/HHH match had a few good spots in it with the final big bump looking quite impressive.
The Armageddon match has been mentioned.
Taker/Lesnar had Taker blade a lot - literally this is all this match had, lots of blood. Twas rubbish.

All the matches since have had various bumps and props with I think the HBK/HHH being the first to have a ladder in it.

michael.etc...

Alan Rouge wrote: »

Taker/Lesnar had Taker blade a lot - literally this is all this match had, lots of blood. Twas rubbish.

All the matches since have had various bumps and props with I think the HBK/HHH being the first to have a ladder in it.

Thing is, they didn't need to change the cage to accommodate bigger bumps. As you mentioned, HBK/HHH used a ladder, but that took place way before the cell increased in size. Personally, i'd be all for more creativity, rather than more risk.

I disagree with you on Taker/Lesnar though, I thought that was a GREAT match, that really delivered on the idea that the cell can provide a definite ending to a feud, and be a brutal match, without featuring a big fall.

flahavaj

michael.etc... wrote: »

I disagree with you on Taker/Lesnar though, I thought that was a GREAT match, that really delivered on the idea that the cell can provide a definite ending to a feud, and be a brutal match, without featuring a big fall.

Massively underrated match, especially at the time.

Red Sleeping Beauty

michael.etc... wrote: »

Thing is, they didn't need to change the cage to accommodate bigger bumps. As you mentioned, HBK/HHH used a ladder, but that took place way before the cell increased in size. Personally, i'd be all for more creativity, rather than more risk.

I disagree with you on Taker/Lesnar though, I thought that was a GREAT match, that really delivered on the idea that the cell can provide a definite ending to a feud, and be a brutal match, without featuring a big fall.

Well if I remember right from a few clips I saw, in the HBK/Trippers Cell match, it was a bit akward jumping off the top of the ladder as there was much clearance.

flahavaj wrote: »

Massively underrated match, especially at the time.

Don't know about then as I wasn't on the internet but why would people rate it highly now ? I just thought it was a juice fest.

michael.etc...

Alan Rouge wrote: »

Well if I remember right from a few clips I saw, in the HBK/Trippers Cell match, it was a bit akward jumping off the top of the ladder as there was much clearance.

Yeah, HBK's elbow off the ladder wasn't the prettiest. But it still achieved the desired effect, and to be honest he doesn't usually do ladder spots off the very top of the ladder. I just don't buy the idea that it was their thinking- especially as Cell matches since have focused on brutality, and hard-hitting sequences, rather than glorified high-spots. And that's for the better in my opinion.

flahavaj

Alan Rouge wrote: »

Don't know about then as I wasn't on the internet but why would people rate it highly now ? I just thought it was a juice fest.

I remember it being sh*t upon at the time, especially as it was fashionable amongst smarks to give out about Taker at the time. More recently people have lookeed more kindly on it as the intense, excellent bloodbath that it was and the perfect blow off to their feud.

chopperbyrne

I think you'll find they also once added rabid attacks dogs BAH GAWD KING THEY'LL EAT HIM ALIVE!!!!!!!

Rjd2

Mickie v Fox is on the PPV but no Christian??! :mad:

JP Liz

Rjd2 wrote: »

Mickie v Fox is on the PPV but no Christian??! :mad:

I expected Christian V Regal or Dreamer or Ryder or all 3 to be added at some stage

DM_7

Rjd2 wrote: »

Mickie v Fox is on the PPV but no Christian??! :mad:

Christians and hell don't mix well.......

Dime101

I reckon that Taker is getting screwed at Hell in a cell by whoever cost him title at breaking point.The storyline says that someone "higher up" was the one who denied taker.Mc Mahon said he wasnt involved so who could it be?

I was really hoping that Ziggler v Morrison would be in the cell too...:(

Rjd2

Dime101 wrote: »

I reckon that Taker is getting screwed at Hell in a cell by whoever cost him title at breaking point.The storyline says that someone "higher up" was the one who denied taker.Mc Mahon said he wasnt involved so who could it be?

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It will be Vince or god forbid Kane.

Furious-Red

R Truth vs Drew has been added

DM_7

Rjd2 wrote: »

It will be Vince or god forbid Kane.

Since Kane has nothing to do, then yeah its a possibility. Who better to make Punks Body Guard?

Furious-Red wrote: »

R Truth vs Drew has been added

Thrown in at deep end eh. Has Drew had a match on TV since his re-debut?

dsmythy

DM-ICE wrote: »

Since Kane has nothing to do, then yeah its a possibility. Who better to make Punks Body Guard?



Thrown in at deep end eh. Has Drew had a match on TV since his re-debut?

He hasn't been in a match yet. Seeing as he seems to be about to get a huge push i fear for an R-Truth squashing. At least the crowd will care about the match with him in it.

And yeah Kane as Punk's bodyguard makes some sort of sense. They are struggling to get the crowd to boo him so what better way to change this than have him aligned with Punk against the Undertaker.

DM_7

dsmythy wrote: »

He hasn't been in a match yet. Seeing as he seems to be about to get a huge push i fear for an R-Truth squashing. At least the crowd will care about the match with him in it.

And yeah Kane as Punk's bodyguard makes some sort of sense. They are struggling to get the crowd to boo him so what better way to change this than have him aligned with Punk against the Undertaker.

Yeah the Squash match is high on the list of possabilities. I would prefer if they got 10 minutes and just a had a good match. People have more interest in each guy going forward.



I would prefer to see Punk by himself but wwe have a habit of giving a heel some allies.

Rjd2

Furious-Red wrote: »

R Truth vs Drew has been added

But no Christian match. :rolleyes:

DM_7

Rjd2 wrote: »

But no Christian match. :rolleyes:

For some reason they don't have an opponent for him.

I guess it shows Christian should be on Smackdown.

Let Shelton be ECW champ.

Bounty Hunter

So anyone watching this live tonight?

Furious-Red

Nope, prob watch online during the week

DM_7

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

So anyone watching this live tonight?

You?


I would love to watch it. But I refuse to pay Sky anymore money than I already do, the alternatives that I won't speak of aren't possible either. Will have to wait for the DVD of this one.

Bounty Hunter

DM-ICE wrote: »

You?


I would love to watch it. But I refuse to pay Sky anymore money than I already do, the alternatives that I won't speak of aren't possible either. Will have to wait for the DVD of this one.

I probably will as Ive a feeling ill be up till a rediculous hour packing anyway.

This PPV does intregue me as there are a few matches that im very curious as to how they will finish, in particular the CM Punk vs Undertaker match. Logic dictates that Taker who lost on his return match to Punk will get the win back in one of his speciality matches HIAC but the WWE might just use this as an opportunity to really put Punk over and keep the strap on the straight edge superstar. If there is to be a swerve type finish too it will be extra interesting to see how they do it considering the confines of the Cell in this match