Women cyclists make up a far higher proportion of deaths involving lorries than men.

Tawny

Interesting article....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/8296971.stm

Lumen

Personally I find it much more exciting to sit in the blindspot and play "green light race of death".

adrian522

Text:
Women cyclists make up a far higher proportion of deaths involving lorries than men. Why?
Many of the fatalities involving cyclists happen in collisions with a heavy goods vehicle (HGV). This year, seven of the eight people killed by lorries in London have been women.
Considering that women make only 28% of the UK's cycling journeys, this seems extremely high.
There are no national figures but there's little reason to think it is any different. In August, a 27-year-old woman died in Leeds after her bike was in collision with a lorry.
These deaths could be attributed to a tragic anomaly, but some cycling campaigners are concerned whether there is something about how women cycle which puts them at greater risk from lorries.

"It's something we're trying to understand. When you look at HGV accidents there are a lot more women involved than you would expect. We don't know why that is," says Charlie Lloyd, from the London Cycling Campaign.
With this in mind, his group has organised a special women-only bike ride to the Cycle Show in London's Earls Court this weekend, a trip that ends with the chance for participants to sit in a lorry and experience the view drivers have of the road.
The high incidence of women killed by lorries has come to the attention of the authorities before.
In 2007, an internal report for Transport for London concluded women cyclists are far more likely to be killed by lorries because, unlike men, they tend to obey red lights and wait at junctions in the driver's blind spot.
This means that if the lorry turns left, the driver cannot see the cyclist as the vehicle cuts across the bike's path.
The report said that male cyclists are generally quicker getting away from a red light - or, indeed, jump red lights - and so get out of the danger area.
BIKES V LORRIES - THE SAFE WAY

1. Cyclists should never pass a lorry on its left side at a junction, even if there is a wide gap. In addition, they should never stop near the front left corner of such a vehicle as they cannot be seen.
2. Cyclists should always make sure they are far enough in front of the lorry so that the driver can see them - about 15ft (4.6m) for the largest.

But could it be a matter of confidence? Some women don't feel safe on their bikes and nervous cyclists could put themselves in danger, says Wendy Johnston of sustainable transport charity Sustrans.
Safety is the prime factor stopping women from getting on their bikes, she says, so her organisation is leading a campaign called "Bike Belles" to promote women's cycling, including a petition calling for the government to promote safety.
Feeling nervous about cycling can influence the way people ride, she says. Some women tend to cycle too close to the pavement as they want to stay as far away from traffic as possible.
"This can be a problem as vehicles may not regard you as part of the traffic flow and don't give the right amount of space. It means they may be tempted to come closer to you," says Mrs Johnston.
"It can have an impact on how other vehicles treat you. It can also impact on confidence as if they come too close, as it makes you feel you can't come out in the road."
'More aggression'
While many cyclists are calling for more cycle lanes to make their journeys safer, others dislike them because they believe they encourage people to ride down the left-hand-side of large vehicles and towards the kerb.
Marian Louise Noonan, 32, from south London, is a confessed kerb-hugger, and that leaves her feeling quite vulnerable on the roads, unlike her husband.
"He cycles much more aggressively and is aware of all the traffic around him. He cycles as if someone is going to hit him and makes sure he is in a safe position," she says.
"I'm much more nervous of my cycling ability, I'm frightened people might hit me, which means I don't cycle in a positive manner."

SAFE CYCLING
Be aware of lorries
Be alert
Watch your position on the road
Wait ahead at lights
Take care in bus lanes
Be seen and be safe
Make eye contact
Ride confidently
Source: London Cycling Campaign
The main problem is the attitude of other drivers, she says, as they make her feel like she does not belong on the road.
She also feels reluctant to put herself at the front of the traffic at red lights, which is the safest place for cyclists to be.
"Things like being able to sit in the boxes at the front of traffic lights are safer for someone like me, because it takes a bit more effort to move off and get to the correct speed, but sometimes that annoys other drivers as it looks like you're pushing in."
Ms Noonan's reluctance to assert herself is typical, says Dr Dave Horton from Lancaster University, a sociologist who has written a study on the fear of cycling.
"Being highly visible in public spaces is something women are going to be less comfortable with than men, especially in the road environment in marked areas where people can see you and male drivers can see you.
"There's a discomfort around putting yourself on display. It's the idea that in a car it's much harder to see you."
Nerves
Turning right is also a problem for some women cyclists because they lack the confidence to look over their shoulder and judge when to cross the traffic, says Ian Walker, a professor of traffic and transport psychology at the University of Bath. He drew this conclusion after studying 5,000 cyclists in Oxford and Cambridge.
But he challenges the notion that nervous cyclists are generally more vulnerable because if fear is visible it can help, he says. The more confident you look, the closer the cars get, he says, and a deliberate wobble is sometimes used by cyclists to get more space.
In one experiment, he cycled with a device which measured how much room cars gave as they passed, then repeated it while wearing a long female wig. Drivers gave the "woman" more room.
Setting lorries aside, the bigger picture is that far more men are killed on their bikes. In 2008, 84% of the 115 fatalities were men and 81% of reported injuries were to men.

CYCLING WITH CONFIDENCE
I try to make as clear signals as possible, I stick my hand right out and when it comes to buses and lorries I'm very aware of blind spots. Confidence in your own ability, spatial awareness, looking and listening to what's going on around you, and making sure you're visible are the most important things.
Jane Hornsby, who cycles five miles a day
And overall, the number of cyclists killed in Britain has fallen by 27% compared with the mid-1990s. Last year, 115 cyclists were killed on the roads, a 15% fall from 136 deaths in 2007.
Two of the women recently killed were experienced, so it's not just about nerves, says Chief Inspector Graham Horwood of the Met Police Traffic Unit.
"It's often that they are in the wrong place at the wrong time and circumstances get to a certain point where they end up in these positions.
"You can't always blame the cyclists and you can't always blame the lorry drivers, it's a mix of who's responsible."
Confident female cyclists like Jane Hornsby, 49, from Oxford, says it's not just safety that puts some women off getting on two wheels.
Practical issues like changing facilities and bringing a spare outfit also play a part.
Women may also have less time than men, she says, because they tend to have the responsibility of looking after children before and after work, and are often carrying shopping.

ednwireland

and the woman in the picture hasnt got a helmet :eek:

it is friday after all

Captain Havoc

I think it's because there's a higher percentage of women that don't wear helmets to stop their hair getting messed :rolleyes:

I honestly couldn't give a serious answer to this one. Cyclist has a brain man or woman

seamus

Don't encounter the situation all that often on my route, but if I ever find myself in the position of being on the left-hand side of a large moving vehicle like a bus or a lorry, I'll usually slow down or stop and then move in behind it.

Don't know many women cyclists, so I can't really comment much. But from the one time (so far) that I've gone out on the bike with the missus, I could see her attitude was very much along the lines of, "If I stay out of everyone's way, I'll be safe", to the extent that when there was a car parked on our side of the road, she would wait until all the oncoming traffic had passed, before overtaking it, even when both ourselves and the oncoming traffic had plenty of space.

She couldn't grasp my assertiveness to the point where she was screaming at me for going around pedestrians (it was a country road) when there was oncoming traffic. Her inexperience played a part obviously, but it was the submissive attitude that shocked me a bit.

godihatethehils

Careful now....plenty of male cyclists out there who aren't assertive either.....

I think level of experience could be a bigger factor.

DePurpereWolf

I believe level of aggresiveness is the deciding factor. Men tend to be more annoying* on the roads.
*Read: more visible, assertive, in the way, demanding.

Wez

She rides, she dies.. I hate to drag it in, but I think this represents to true facts about women on the roads. Having confidence has it's part on the road, if you're too scared/cautious it can be more dangerous than just going ahead (confidently) crossing junctions/overtaking/whatever.

On a bike, bumps and bashes can cause more harm than in a metal box, where because something's not a write-off, doesn't mean you weren't in an accident.

Although I do respect there are proper female cyclists out there, but when the tables are turned, and there's an engine involved, it seems a lot harder to defend the 'good' drivers.

For example, how many female cyclists out there (from the more even bracket of commuting cyclists), constantly watch out for opening doors/cars pulling out/Ped's stepping off path etc. compared to the male counterparts. Hate to say it, but most of the female's wouldn't know their way around their own bike, apart from pedal there, sit here.

Chips Lovell

Wez wrote: »

For example, how many female cyclists out there (from the more even bracket of commuting cyclists), constantly watch out for opening doors/cars pulling out/Ped's stepping off path etc. compared to the male counterparts. Hate to say it, but most of the female's wouldn't know their way around their own bike, apart from pedal there, sit here.

Wow. Hold the phone there. In terms of clueless commuter cyclists I'd say the gender divide is pretty even.

Lumen

Much as I enjoy a bit of faux-misogynistic banter, generalisations like this are not very useful; what matters is individual behaviour.

In any case, cycling isn't dangerous.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS37SNYjg8w

Caroline_ie

To be honest this headline is sh!t, Might as well have been:

Men drivers make up a far higher proportion of Lorry drivers involved in cyclists death than women.

godihatethehils

Caroline_ie wrote: »

To be honest this headline is sh!t, Might as well have been:

Men drivers make up a far higher proportion of Lorry drivers involved in cyclists death than women.

Nice, I wish I had thought of writing that.

ED E

Have to agree, the male cyclists may be cocky bastards at times but thats better than being scared to death the whole time.

Canis Lupus

All I know is that both genders can be ****ing morons.

Month or so back picture bus lane with bus letting off people and main traffic to the right stopped with a coach stopped just behind the bus so in order to pass you'd have to zip in between the front left of the coach and back right of the bus yeah?

Man cycles up the bus lane (legal here in UK) and traffic starts to move just as he gets to the bus, he makes a stuuuuuuupid and I mean jump up and down stupid attempt to get through the gap just as it was clear as day the bus was about to move. He almost gets mushed but the bus driver had great reactions and saved the day but the cyclist gives out **** to the driver like it was his fault.


And then we have yesterday where we had a guy drafting a car in fast moving traffic. He was only a couple of inches from the car when the obvious happened. Traffic stopped suddenly and the fella flies into the car (wheel hits bumper he goes head over heels in between bike and bumper but looks like he survived).

Although I will balance the two stupid blokes with the lady cycling in the rain with an umbrella up. Think that wins.

thebman

I was cycling around Maynooth last week with housemate and he was going on about how dangerous it was when I didn't see any problems with anything that occurred.

It was just a regular trip on a bike for me but I grew up cycling in towns a lot as I used to do it everyday over the summer to get to clubs and every weekend throughout my teens.

Its inexperience, I imagine most women cycle less in their teens than men too so overall less experience = more scared and not knowing what to do in certain situations.

IM0

Siiiigh..another silly season journo article :rolleyes:

Lumen

Canis Lupus wrote: »

the lady cycling in the rain with an umbrella up. Think that wins.

That's only stupid if you crash. Otherwise it's a fine demonstration of style and epic skillz.

Lumen

And this is what happens when a man attempts it: