Scrap a Quango today!

Hydrosylator

Not to sound too slash happy. Personally I can only support public sector cuts as part of a broader strategy to balance the books, and that we need to get more in too. An awful lot of what we have, we have for a very good reason, health, security and education, are a no-brainer.

We do however have a quite a few Fianna Fáil election time quangoes in the country now, I can think of a few, but I'll name one and others can name more.
So which quangos can we afford to lose?

An Coimisinéir Teanga
The second job of Seán Ó Cuirreáin, this quango has the job of making sure that everything the government does, it does in two languages.

It's their job to make sure the Languages Act is respected, and that everything is done bilingually. Link

This quango cost €842,000 in 2007. Roughly equivalent to two weeks of our current borrowing cost, just under 4%. Scrap that ****.

cabinteelytom

Hydrosylator wrote: »

An awful lot of what we have, we have for a very good reason....

Of quangos! This is a very doubtful assertion. I think you are mistaking 'lofty, self-regarding aim' to be the same thing as, 'very good reason'.

Impassioned Appeal: Will no political party adopt as policy the default position, 'We will abolish all quangos.'?

Modus Operandi:
1. All persons coining in a salary from a quango are called before a 'fiscal jury' (of especially heartless taxpayers known for their extreme prejudice to wasters) and asked, 'What national interest is your quango serving, and how much is it costing per unit of achievement?'
2. With a survival rate, approximately that of Miura bulls entering the corrida, those found to be serving a national interest of this country, should be received into the civil service, with an identified budget in a Government Department, a Minister they answer to, and a policy aim that is subject to proper oversight in the Dail.
3. The rest collect their last month's salary in lieu, and make their way to the FAS for retraining in the service industries.

(And thank you for correcting the spelling of that proper name; it pains me when a Irish genitive is traduced.)

cyclopath2001

Hydrosylator wrote: »

An Coimisinéir Teanga
The second job of Seán Ó Cuirreáin, this quango has the job of making sure that everything the government does, it does in two languages....
This quango cost €842,000 in 2007. Roughly equivalent to two weeks of our current borrowing cost, just under 4%. Scrap that ****.

The cost is much more than just its running cost. This quango and the law that set it up is a money-spinner for the Irish language industry, adding huge extra costs and delays to government departments forcing them to make documents and services available in Irish to people who have a perfectly good mastery of English.

Amhran Nua

cabinteelytom wrote: »

Impassioned Appeal: Will no political party adopt as policy the default position, 'We will abolish all quangos.'?

On it.

AlekSmart

The cost is much more than just its running cost. This quango and the law that set it up is a money-spinner for the Irish language industry, adding huge extra costs and delays to government departments forcing them to make documents and services available in Irish to people who have a perfectly good mastery of English.

One very good example of this in everyday life is the requirement imposed upon the CIE transport companies to use Irish on all destination displays.

Thus Dublin Bus vehicles must display City-Centre/An Lár etc etc.
What this actually does is significantly reduce the amount of important information which COULD be displayed in the English language to Bus users.

This policy has effectively negated the benefits inherent from adopting the new-technology electronic displays as their full capacity cannot be used save to display (often dodgy) Irish translations.

However it does ensure that Sean Ó Cuirreáin knows where HIS bus is headed for...:)

leninbenjamin

as pointed out, the Irish language thing is worth holding onto. I for one know of quite a few people who's primary source of income stem from translation services, including a former Gaeilge teacher of mine.

I would be for reviewing that law, however the benefits of Gaeilge have the potential to considerably outweigh the cost. I'd argue there should be more a push. The likes of Connemara would have arguably much more of a tourist pull if the Irish language and Irish culture in general hadn't been so diluted in recent years.

As for the bus thing: that's just petty disdain of the Irish language. Most buses have modern electronic displays that can be easily altered between the English and Irish version if those in CIE had a bit of cop.

cabinteelytom

AlekSmart wrote: »

Thus Dublin Bus vehicles must display City-Centre/An Lár etc etc.

So they should!
The only hope to attract tourists here [ which is the remaining economic hope of a nation which has saddled itself with huge unneccessary liabilities] , is that the tourists encounter something different here, something distinctive, not just another UK city. So, yes the buses should be patriotic green with elementary Gaelic on them and the street names should be in Irish, with a bit of English underneath them (it's a tiny investment for a long-term use). And someone in bus eireann needs to contact the Japs or Germans that they bought those high tech displays from, and learn to use them, because the same displays cope in much more difficult export markets than ours- have you seen written Czech or Swedish?

And Irish should be the language OF our senior civil service, little else should be used during their working hours when our Irish State owns their ass.
Yes, Irish should be the mandarin of the Irish State, in which everything is discussed and drafted ( and that would be a pushover to those clever chaps) and their political masters. And the only translating should be from Irish to English, and only when neccessary, please.

ednwireland

don't have a problem supporting the Irish language but why a quango what are the dept of the gaeltacht doing surely they should do this, or could hey just not be bothered (this seems to apply to a lot of quangos there seems to be depts to do it nut they set up a quango)

cyclopath2001

cabinteelytom wrote: »

And Irish should be the language OF our senior civil service, little else should be used during their working hours when our Irish State owns their ass.
Yes, Irish should be the mandarin of the Irish State, in which everything is discussed and drafted ( and that would be a pushover to those clever chaps) and their political masters. And the only translating should be from Irish to English, and only when neccessary, please.

I suppose we could have a 'Cultural Revolution' and declare a 'year zero' while we're at it.

meathstevie

Scrap the Taxiregulator, they're only doing what local authorities and the Gardai used to do a lot worse with a lot more red tape.

jmayo

Amhran Nua wrote: »

On it.

Yeah right.
But you do want to create 10 new third level institutions which I am sure will add a hell of a lot of administrators to run them :rolleyes:

For anyone that wants to scrap a quango here is list of approx. 170.
One very noticable thing is how many quangoes were created during the reign of bertie the sleeveen.

Agriculture, Fisheries and Food Sea Fisheries Protection Authority 2007
Arts, Sport and Tourism National Sports Campus Development Authority 2007
Communications, Energy & Natural Resources
National Oil Reserves Agency 2007
TG4 2007
Enterprise, Trade and Employment High Level Group on Business Regulation 2007
Enterprise, Trade and Employment National Consumer Agency 2007
Enterprise, Trade and Employment National Employment Rights Authority 2007
Limerick Northside Regeneration Agency 2007
Environment, Heritage and Local Government
Health and Children Children Acts Advisory Board 2007
Health and Children Health & Social Care Professionals Council 2007
Health and Children HIQA 2007
Health and Children National Cancer Screening Services Board 2007
Health and Children National Paediatric Hospital Development Board 2007
Transport and the Marine Railway Safety Advisory Council 2007
Foreign Affairs Hunger Task Force 2007
Arts, Sport and Tourism Abbey Theatre (Amharclann na Mainistreach) 2006
Arts, Sport and Tourism Crawford Gallery Cork 2006
Arts, Sport and Tourism Fáilte Ireland (National Tourism Development Authority) Community, Rural and Gaeltacht 2006
Dormant Accounts Board 2006
Communications, Energy & Natural resources 2006
Eirgrid 2006
Education and Sciences Education Finance Board 2006
Education and Sciences Grangegorman Development Agency 2006
Education and Sciences The Teaching Council 2006
Enterprise, Trade and Employment IAASA 2006
Health and Children Health Repayment Scheme Appeals Office 2006
Justice, Equality and Law Reform Local Registration of Deeds and Title Rules Committee Justice, Equality and Law Reform Private Security Appeals Board 2006
Justice, Equality and Law Reform Garda Siochana Ombudsman Commission 2006
Justice, Equality and Law Reform Garda Siochana Inspectorate 2006
Justice, Equality and Law Reform Mental Health Criminal Law Review Board 2006
Transport and the Marine Railway Safety Commission 2006
Transport and the Marine Integrated Ticketing Project Board 2006
Justice, Equality and Law Reform Property Registration Authority 2006
Arts, Sport and Tourism Culture Ireland 2005
Arts, Sport and Tourism National Museum of Ireland 2005
Community, Rural and Gaeltacht 2006
Pobal 2005
Western Development Commission 2005
Enterprise, Trade and Employment Small Business Forum - Implementation Group 2005
Environment, Heritage and Local Government 2005
Affordable Homes Partnership 2005
Health and Children Health Service Executive 2005
Justice, Equality and Law Reform National Property Services Regulatory Authority 2005
Justice, Equality and Law Reform Commission for the Support of Victims of Crime 2005
Comhairle na Tuaithe 2004
Oifig Choimisinéir na d'Teangacha Oifigiúla 2004
Fóram na Gaeilge 2004
Enterprise, Trade and Employment Personal Injuries Assessment Board 2004
Environment, Heritage and Local Government
Private Residential Tenancies Board 2004
Health and Children National Haemophilia Council 2004
Health and Children National Treatment Purchase Fund 2004
Health and Children Irish Expert Body on Fluorides and Health 2004
Justice, Equality and Law Reform Private Security Authority 2004
Justice, Equality and Law Reform Independent Monitoring Commission 2004
Finance Credit Union Advisory Committee 2004
Finance Outside Appointments Board 2004
Finance Irish Financial Services Appeals Tribunal 2004
Finance Financial Services Ombudsman Council 2004
Finance Financial Services Consultative Consumer Panel 2004
Finance Financial Services Consultative Industry Panel 2004
Transport and the Marine Commission for Taxi Regulation 2004
Transport and the Marine Dublin Airport Authority 2004
Transport and the Marine Shannon Airport Authority 2004
Transport and the Marine Cork Airport Authority 2004
Regional Drugs Taskforces (10) 2003
Communications, Energy & Natural resources 2006
Digital Hub Development Agency 2003
Defence Civil Defence Board 2003
Education and Sciences National Council for Special Education 2003
Education and Sciences State Examinations Commission 2003
Foreign Affairs Development Education Advisory Committee 2003
Justice, Equality and Law Reform Remembrance Commission 2003
Finance Decentralisation Implementation Group 2003
Finance National Development Finance Agency 2003
Finance Central Bank and Financial Services Authority of Ireland 2003
Finance Irish Financial Services Regulatory Authority 2003
Social and Family Affairs Family Support Agency 2003
Transport and the Marine Advisory Council to the Commission for Taxi Regulation 2003
Social and Family Affairs Office of the Pensions Ombudsman 2003
Agriculture, Fisheries and Food Consumer Liaison Panel 2002
Agriculture, Fisheries and Food Farm Animal Welfare Advisory Council 2002
Communications, Energy & Natural 2002
Commission for Communications Regulation 2002
Communications, Energy & Natural resources 2002
Sustainable Energy Ireland 2002
Education and Sciences National Education Welfare Board 2002
Education and Sciences National Adult Learning Council 2002
Enterprise, Trade and Employment Irish Council for Bioethics 2002
Foreign Affairs Advisory Board for Irish Aid 2002
Health and Children Mental Health Commission 2002
Health and Children Office for Tobacco Control 2002
Justice, Equality and Law Reform Office of the Inspector of Prisons 2002
Finance Ordnance Survey Ireland 2002
Finance State Claims Agency Policy Committee 2002
Transport and the Marine The Marine Casualty Investigation Board 2002
Agriculture, Fisheries and Food RELAY 2001
Arts, Sport and Tourism Horse Racing Ireland 2001
National Monitoring Committee Overseeing the Operation of repid programme 2001
Education and Sciences Further Education and Training Awards Council 2001
Education and Sciences Higher Education and Training Awards Council 2001
Education and Sciences Irish Research Council for Science, Engineering and technology Education and Sciences National Qualifications Authority of Ireland 2001
Education and Sciences National Youth Work Advisory Council 2001
Enterprise, Trade and Employment Competition Law Review Group 2001
Enterprise, Trade and Employment Office of the Directors Corporate Enforcement 2001
Taoiseach National Economic and Social Development Office 2001
Taoiseach National Centre for Partnership and Performance 2001
Taoiseach Ireland Newfoundland Partnership Board 2001
Taoiseach National Forum on Europe 2001
Health and Children Crisis Pregnancy Agency 2001
Health and Children Dental Council 2001
Health and Children Health Insurance Authority 2001
Health and Children National Children's Advisory Council 2001
Justice, Equality and Law Reform Parole Board 2001
Justice, Equality and Law Reform Midlands Prison Visiting Committee 2001
Finance Committee for Performance Awards 2001
Finance National Pensions Reserve Commission 2001
Transport and the Marine Railway Procurement Agency 2001
Transport and the Marine Commission for Aviation Regulation 2001
Arts, Sport and Tourism Tourism Ireland (North/South Body) 2000
National Advisory Committee on Drugs 2000
National Salmon Commission 2000
Education and Sciences Irish Research Council for the Humanities and social sciences 2000
Enterprise, Trade and Employment Advisory Science Council 2000
Enterprise, Trade and Employment National Framework Committee for Work/Life Balance Enterprise, Trade and Employment Science Foundation Ireland 2000
Health and Children Pre Hospital Emergency Care Council 2000
Health and Children Food Safety Consultative Council 2000
Health and Children Scientific Committee of the Food Safety Authority 2000
Justice, Equality and Law Reform National Disability Authority 2000
Justice, Equality and Law Reform Internet Advisory Board 2000
Justice, Equality and Law Reform Office of the Refugee Applications Commissioner 2000
Justice, Equality and Law Reform Refugee Appeals Tribunal 2000
Justice, Equality and Law Reform Cloverhill Prison Visiting Committee 2000
Finance Public Services Benchmarking Body 2000
Social and Family Affairs Citizens Information Board 2000
Arts, Sport and Tourism Irish Sports Council 1999
Bord o Ulstér-Scotch 1999
Foras na Gaeilge 1999
Waterways Ireland 1999
Commission for Energy Regulation 1999
Communications, Energy & Natural Resources 1999
Mining Board 1999
Foyle, Carlingford and Irish Lights Commission 1999
Education and Sciences Integrated Ireland Language and Training Ltd 1999
Enterprise, Trade and Employment InterTrade Ireland 1999
Enterprise, Trade and Employment Skillsnet Limited 1999
Comhar Sustainable Development Council 1999
Environment, Heritage and Local Government 1999
Irish Water Safety 1999
National Traveller Accommodation Committee 1999
Health and Children Food Safety Authority of Ireland 1999
Health and Children Food Safety Promotion Board 1999
Health and Children Institute of Public Health 1999
Health and Children National Council for the Professional Development of Nursing and Midwifery 1999
Health and Children St Luke's Hospital Board 1999
Health and Children National Childcare Coordinating Committee 1999
Justice, Equality and Law Reform Equality Authority 1999
Justice, Equality and Law Reform Independent Monitoring Committee for Refugee Legal Services 1999
Justice, Equality and Law Reform Courts Services 1999
Justice, Equality and Law Reform Independent Commission for the Location of Victims Remains 1999
Justice, Equality and Law Reform Prisons Authority Interim Board 1999
Justice, Equality and Law Reform National Crime Council 1999
Finance Special EU Programmes Body 1999
Finance Civil Service Arbitration Board 1999
Agriculture, Fisheries and Food Aquaculture Licences Appeals 1998
Arts, Sport and Tourism Council of National Cultural Institutions 1998
Education and Sciences Tipperary Institute 1998
Enterprise, Trade and Employment Enterprise Ireland 1998

Fairs Fair

spot the quango is right if it is ex enterprise Ireland it smells, looks like and is a quango ! what a headline ...who really did this deal versus who is using pr ?

Angel group in deals worth €1m

HBAN Investor Syndicates, an angel investment initiative run jointly by InterTrade Ireland and Enterprise Ireland, brokered funding deals worth €1 million in the fourth quarter of 2009, it has announced. Diane Roberts, national director of HBAN Investor Syndicates, said the funding from HBAN Investor Syndicates, had gone to three Irish-owned software firms, including Dublin-based InishTech, which netted €275,000.

Established last year, HBAN aims to link individual angel investors or investment syndicates with companies seeking funding amounts of between €250,000 and €1.25 million.

‘‘The downturn has created significant opportunities for private investors where they come together as syndicates to invest in emerging companies," Roberts said. ‘‘These are emerging firms with intellectual property, ready to be commercialised, or already on the market. Many are already in receipt of state-backed enterprise funding or they will be at their next funding round, which further enhances their prospects."

Fairs Fair

what crap in the papers ex enterprise ireland...looks like, smells like ,must be a quango who did this deal...the money people...or the lady who books the room and buys the pr ? oops dublin business innovation centre DBIC did it too, but they dont have a pr lady with a budget


Angel group in deals worth €1m

HBAN Investor Syndicates, an angel investment initiative run jointly by InterTrade Ireland and Enterprise Ireland, brokered funding deals worth €1 million in the fourth quarter of 2009, it has announced. Diane Roberts, national director of HBAN Investor Syndicates, said the funding from HBAN Investor Syndicates, had gone to three Irish-owned software firms, including Dublin-based InishTech, which netted €275,000.

Established last year, HBAN aims to link individual angel investors or investment syndicates with companies seeking funding amounts of between €250,000 and €1.25 million.

‘‘The downturn has created significant opportunities for private investors where they come together as syndicates to invest in emerging companies," Roberts said. ‘‘These are emerging firms with intellectual property, ready to be commercialised, or already on the market. Many are already in receipt of state-backed enterprise funding or they will be at their next funding round, which further enhances their prospects."

Hydrosylator wrote: »

Not to sound too slash happy. Personally I can only support public sector cuts as part of a broader strategy to balance the books, and that we need to get more in too. An awful lot of what we have, we have for a very good reason, health, security and education, are a no-brainer.

We do however have a quite a few Fianna Fáil election time quangoes in the country now, I can think of a few, but I'll name one and others can name more.
So which quangos can we afford to lose?

An Coimisinéir Teanga
The second job of Seán Ó Cuirreáin, this quango has the job of making sure that everything the government does, it does in two languages.

It's their job to make sure the Languages Act is respected, and that everything is done bilingually. Link

This quango cost €842,000 in 2007. Roughly equivalent to two weeks of our current borrowing cost, just under 4%. Scrap that ****.

mike65

Bord o Ulstér-Scotch 1999 :eek:

Anyone know how many people this endevour employes?

Comhairle na Tuaithe 2004
http://www.pobail.ie/en/RuralDevelopment/NationalRuralDevelopment/ComhairlenaTuaithe/

Check the remit and then look at the list of associated bodies and wonder why several of them couldn't do the same job. National Parks and Wildlife Service would be ideal.

Nijmegen

I saw a report, I believe from an Israeli university, that said that we are the second most regulated country in the world (behind Israel) in terms of the breadth of quangos and their remits.

Now, some are more active than others and there is generally more a noise or a nuisance value to many of them.

Some should be kept, as integrated parts of departments. Others should be rationalised - either trimmed down, amalgamated (and trimmed) or even just take their collective purchasing power and stick them into the same buildings!

But the left and right hand of the PS strikes again. For one, even if you merge them you can't fire anyone. Cue 2 finance managers, 2 IT managers, double the receptionists... Etc etc etc.

Secondly, I heard a story that the OPW - that manages all the leases and so forth for these guys - scuppored the merge of two quangos because (wait for it) they renewed the 5 year lease of one of the quangos without consulting them. This was after they were several months into planning said merge.

It was one more reason why the entrenched public servants in both quangos could jump around and say "This is a bad idea."

It boggles the mind.

Japer

AlekSmart wrote: »

One very good example of this in everyday life is the requirement imposed upon the CIE transport companies to use Irish on all destination displays.

Thus Dublin Bus vehicles must display City-Centre/An Lár etc etc.
What this actually does is significantly reduce the amount of important information which COULD be displayed in the English language to Bus users.

This policy has effectively negated the benefits inherent from adopting the new-technology electronic displays as their full capacity cannot be used save to display (often dodgy) Irish translations.

However it does ensure that Sean Ó Cuirreáin knows where HIS bus is headed for...:)

+1. And I notice all the blurb , booklets etc from semi-state companies comes in Irish as well as English. Double the number of pages, and amount of paper used. I am sure nobody bothers to read the irish language version, judging by the fact nobody ever bothers to buy any newspapers or magazines in Irish. Too many tens of millions are wasted on translating,printing and trying to promote Irish.

Sleepy

I've personally been involved in a project where over 10k was wasted* on an Irish translation (prepared by a 3rd level institution) which according to a Gaelgoir involved in the project was "full of makey uppey bull****"

*Not a single of the output was ever consumed for purpose in irish.

Half the quangos could be scrapped. Merge away. if there's two Finance Directors and both are utterly, contractually, unfireable let them share the job until one or the other gets so fed up they quit (or use Croke Park to move them to a department that's understaffed).

Godge

leninbenjamin wrote: »

as pointed out, the Irish language thing is worth holding onto. I for one know of quite a few people who's primary source of income stem from translation services, including a former Gaeilge teacher of mine.

I

The gaeilgeoirs just don't get it. Any decent Gaeilge teacher out there is no longer teaching in a school but working in translation. As a result, there are not sufficient Irish teachers in schools. As the quality of Irish teaching drops, so will the quality and number of people speaking Irish. A perverse result then of an idea to promote Irish will be a decline in Irish.

A further perverse result will be less people qualified to translate into Irish in future years so we will end up with a highly paid group of Irish speakers translating documents that nobody will be able to read!

If we want to really promote Irish, abolish the Official Languages Act.

ART6

I completely fail to see why there should be any quangos. The taxpayer pays for a number of government ministries, each under the expert command of a minister and supported by a number of highly experienced and qualified civil servants (!!). Mary Harney and the HSE springs to mind as an example of the above. Each such ministry is answerable to the public through general elections while quangos are not.

Therefore, all quangos should be abolished. The people running them should not be redeployed to other government or semi-state bodies, and the ministers should for once begin to assume their responsibilities.

The problem to be solved first, of course, is "Pat is the captain of my golf club, and I appointed him chairman of the Agency for Silly Walks. How can I tell him that he's out of a job when his agency only costs a peanut €10 million a year?"

Jasus, we even appointed a quango to suggest how to get rid of quangos - An Bord Snip Nua.

ardmacha

The cost is much more than just its running cost. This quango and the law that set it up is a money-spinner for the Irish language industry, adding huge extra costs and delays to government departments forcing them to make documents and services available in Irish to people who have a perfectly good mastery of English.

No doubt this is akin to the cyclopath industry which spends vast amounts of money putting in cycle paths for people who are perfectly well able to walk.

Nijmegen

I agree with ART6 on the general principal that many quangos were invented simply to bat responsibility away from a minister.

It's an expensive way to outsource a function (new office, directors, support staff, etc etc etc) and should be rolled back into departments.

Can we take the Irish discussion to a different thread? Just so as we don't get stuck on the one hot button issue from the several hundred other quangos running around.

mike65

Nijmegen wrote: »

Can we take the Irish discussion to a different thread? Just so as we don't get stuck on the one hot button issue from the several hundred other quangos running around.

Agree with the sentiment, disagree with American business slang

theroad

I think the Office for Tobacco Control is to be given the heave-ho.

The day I first heard the words, "This is a message from the Office of Tobacco Control." after some non-smoking ad on the radio was the day I realised the country had fallen over a cliff.

I mean, I don't mind the anti-smoking stuff, but why can't someone in the HSE take care of it? You can just see it: the headed notepaper, the smiling receptionist sitting in some brightly-lit glass-and-steel office, the computers and IT people, the support staff and executive officers, and the director making important policy decisions... and all the while the euros slither through the taxpayers' fingers...[/RANT]

segaBOY

theroad wrote: »

I think the Office for Tobacco Control is to be given the heave-ho.

The day I first heard the words, "This is a message from the Office of Tobacco Control." after some non-smoking ad on the radio was the day I realised the country had fallen over a cliff.

I mean, I don't mind the anti-smoking stuff, but why can't someone in the HSE take care of it? You can just see it: the headed notepaper, the smiling receptionist sitting in some brightly-lit glass-and-steel office, the computers and IT people, the support staff and executive officers, and the director making important policy decisions... and all the while the euros slither through the taxpayers' fingers...[/RANT]

The Office of Tobacco Control is due to be merged with the Food Safety Authority and the Irish Medicines Board. Don't know when/if ever it is going to happen though.

Jesus Wept

Why would tourists coming here be attracted by the Irish language.
Most have their own language, it's not novel to them.

lmimmfn

yeah scrap everything Gaeilge altogether, sure 99% of the population exclusively speak english anyway.

The concept of Gaeilge is more like a shameful past now and we should be embracing the future not wasting cash on nonsensical culture crap, besides we said yes to Lisbon so what we keep and scrap should be the choice of our uberlords now.

Amhran Nua

lmimmfn wrote: »

The concept of Gaeilge is more like a shameful past now

Its only shameful to those who have done something related to it to be ashamed of. While it might be part of someone's shameful past, it sure isn't shameful to us.

Nijmegen

segaBOY wrote: »

The Office of Tobacco Control is due to be merged with the Food Safety Authority and the Irish Medicines Board. Don't know when/if ever it is going to happen though.

One of those quangos had their lease extended by the OPW and can't move (it wouldn't make economic sense now.)

OPW seems to sign the most juicy deals, by the by. Last time I negotiated a lease I nearly had the other guy under the table on terms...

mike65

Can the Irish langauge types start a thread on an appropriate forum? or a seperate thread about costs and duplication? This has damn all to do with QUANGOs per se.

rumour

jmayo wrote: »

Agriculture, Fisheries and Food Sea Fisheries Protection Authority 2007
Arts, Sport and Tourism National Sports Campus Development Authority 2007
Communications, Energy & Natural Resources
National Oil Reserves Agency 2007
TG4 2007
Enterprise, Trade and Employment High Level Group on Business Regulation 2007
Enterprise, Trade and Employment National Consumer Agency 2007
Enterprise, Trade and Employment National Employment Rights Authority 2007
Limerick Northside Regeneration Agency 2007
Environment, Heritage and Local Government
Health and Children Children Acts Advisory Board 2007
Health and Children Health & Social Care Professionals Council 2007
Health and Children HIQA 2007
Health and Children National Cancer Screening Services Board 2007
Health and Children National Paediatric Hospital Development Board 2007
Transport and the Marine Railway Safety Advisory Council 2007
Foreign Affairs Hunger Task Force 2007
Arts, Sport and Tourism Abbey Theatre (Amharclann na Mainistreach) 2006
Arts, Sport and Tourism Crawford Gallery Cork 2006
Arts, Sport and Tourism Fáilte Ireland (National Tourism Development Authority) Community, Rural and Gaeltacht 2006
Dormant Accounts Board 2006
Communications, Energy & Natural resources 2006
Eirgrid 2006
Education and Sciences Education Finance Board 2006
Education and Sciences Grangegorman Development Agency 2006
Education and Sciences The Teaching Council 2006
Enterprise, Trade and Employment IAASA 2006
Health and Children Health Repayment Scheme Appeals Office 2006
Justice, Equality and Law Reform Local Registration of Deeds and Title Rules Committee Justice, Equality and Law Reform Private Security Appeals Board 2006
Justice, Equality and Law Reform Garda Siochana Ombudsman Commission 2006
Justice, Equality and Law Reform Garda Siochana Inspectorate 2006
Justice, Equality and Law Reform Mental Health Criminal Law Review Board 2006
Transport and the Marine Railway Safety Commission 2006
Transport and the Marine Integrated Ticketing Project Board 2006
Justice, Equality and Law Reform Property Registration Authority 2006
Arts, Sport and Tourism Culture Ireland 2005
Arts, Sport and Tourism National Museum of Ireland 2005
Community, Rural and Gaeltacht 2006
Pobal 2005
Western Development Commission 2005
Enterprise, Trade and Employment Small Business Forum - Implementation Group 2005
Environment, Heritage and Local Government 2005
Affordable Homes Partnership 2005
Health and Children Health Service Executive 2005
Justice, Equality and Law Reform National Property Services Regulatory Authority 2005
Justice, Equality and Law Reform Commission for the Support of Victims of Crime 2005
Comhairle na Tuaithe 2004
Oifig Choimisinéir na d'Teangacha Oifigiúla 2004
Fóram na Gaeilge 2004
Enterprise, Trade and Employment Personal Injuries Assessment Board 2004
Environment, Heritage and Local Government
Private Residential Tenancies Board 2004
Health and Children National Haemophilia Council 2004
Health and Children National Treatment Purchase Fund 2004
Health and Children Irish Expert Body on Fluorides and Health 2004
Justice, Equality and Law Reform Private Security Authority 2004
Justice, Equality and Law Reform Independent Monitoring Commission 2004
Finance Credit Union Advisory Committee 2004
Finance Outside Appointments Board 2004
Finance Irish Financial Services Appeals Tribunal 2004
Finance Financial Services Ombudsman Council 2004
Finance Financial Services Consultative Consumer Panel 2004
Finance Financial Services Consultative Industry Panel 2004
Transport and the Marine Commission for Taxi Regulation 2004
Transport and the Marine Dublin Airport Authority 2004
Transport and the Marine Shannon Airport Authority 2004
Transport and the Marine Cork Airport Authority 2004
Regional Drugs Taskforces (10) 2003
Communications, Energy & Natural resources 2006
Digital Hub Development Agency 2003
Defence Civil Defence Board 2003
Education and Sciences National Council for Special Education 2003
Education and Sciences State Examinations Commission 2003
Foreign Affairs Development Education Advisory Committee 2003
Justice, Equality and Law Reform Remembrance Commission 2003
Finance Decentralisation Implementation Group 2003
Finance National Development Finance Agency 2003
Finance Central Bank and Financial Services Authority of Ireland 2003
Finance Irish Financial Services Regulatory Authority 2003
Social and Family Affairs Family Support Agency 2003
Transport and the Marine Advisory Council to the Commission for Taxi Regulation 2003
Social and Family Affairs Office of the Pensions Ombudsman 2003
Agriculture, Fisheries and Food Consumer Liaison Panel 2002
Agriculture, Fisheries and Food Farm Animal Welfare Advisory Council 2002
Communications, Energy & Natural 2002
Commission for Communications Regulation 2002
Communications, Energy & Natural resources 2002
Sustainable Energy Ireland 2002
Education and Sciences National Education Welfare Board 2002
Education and Sciences National Adult Learning Council 2002
Enterprise, Trade and Employment Irish Council for Bioethics 2002
Foreign Affairs Advisory Board for Irish Aid 2002
Health and Children Mental Health Commission 2002
Health and Children Office for Tobacco Control 2002
Justice, Equality and Law Reform Office of the Inspector of Prisons 2002
Finance Ordnance Survey Ireland 2002
Finance State Claims Agency Policy Committee 2002
Transport and the Marine The Marine Casualty Investigation Board 2002
Agriculture, Fisheries and Food RELAY 2001
Arts, Sport and Tourism Horse Racing Ireland 2001
National Monitoring Committee Overseeing the Operation of repid programme 2001
Education and Sciences Further Education and Training Awards Council 2001
Education and Sciences Higher Education and Training Awards Council 2001
Education and Sciences Irish Research Council for Science, Engineering and technology Education and Sciences National Qualifications Authority of Ireland 2001
Education and Sciences National Youth Work Advisory Council 2001
Enterprise, Trade and Employment Competition Law Review Group 2001
Enterprise, Trade and Employment Office of the Directors Corporate Enforcement 2001
Taoiseach National Economic and Social Development Office 2001
Taoiseach National Centre for Partnership and Performance 2001
Taoiseach Ireland Newfoundland Partnership Board 2001
Taoiseach National Forum on Europe 2001
Health and Children Crisis Pregnancy Agency 2001
Health and Children Dental Council 2001
Health and Children Health Insurance Authority 2001
Health and Children National Children's Advisory Council 2001
Justice, Equality and Law Reform Parole Board 2001
Justice, Equality and Law Reform Midlands Prison Visiting Committee 2001
Finance Committee for Performance Awards 2001
Finance National Pensions Reserve Commission 2001
Transport and the Marine Railway Procurement Agency 2001
Transport and the Marine Commission for Aviation Regulation 2001
Arts, Sport and Tourism Tourism Ireland (North/South Body) 2000
National Advisory Committee on Drugs 2000
National Salmon Commission 2000
Education and Sciences Irish Research Council for the Humanities and social sciences 2000
Enterprise, Trade and Employment Advisory Science Council 2000
Enterprise, Trade and Employment National Framework Committee for Work/Life Balance Enterprise, Trade and Employment Science Foundation Ireland 2000
Health and Children Pre Hospital Emergency Care Council 2000
Health and Children Food Safety Consultative Council 2000
Health and Children Scientific Committee of the Food Safety Authority 2000
Justice, Equality and Law Reform National Disability Authority 2000
Justice, Equality and Law Reform Internet Advisory Board 2000
Justice, Equality and Law Reform Office of the Refugee Applications Commissioner 2000
Justice, Equality and Law Reform Refugee Appeals Tribunal 2000
Justice, Equality and Law Reform Cloverhill Prison Visiting Committee 2000
Finance Public Services Benchmarking Body 2000
Social and Family Affairs Citizens Information Board 2000
Arts, Sport and Tourism Irish Sports Council 1999
Bord o Ulstér-Scotch 1999
Foras na Gaeilge 1999
Waterways Ireland 1999
Commission for Energy Regulation 1999
Communications, Energy & Natural Resources 1999
Mining Board 1999
Foyle, Carlingford and Irish Lights Commission 1999
Education and Sciences Integrated Ireland Language and Training Ltd 1999
Enterprise, Trade and Employment InterTrade Ireland 1999
Enterprise, Trade and Employment Skillsnet Limited 1999
Comhar Sustainable Development Council 1999
Environment, Heritage and Local Government 1999
Irish Water Safety 1999
National Traveller Accommodation Committee 1999
Health and Children Food Safety Authority of Ireland 1999
Health and Children Food Safety Promotion Board 1999
Health and Children Institute of Public Health 1999
Health and Children National Council for the Professional Development of Nursing and Midwifery 1999
Health and Children St Luke's Hospital Board 1999
Health and Children National Childcare Coordinating Committee 1999
Justice, Equality and Law Reform Equality Authority 1999
Justice, Equality and Law Reform Independent Monitoring Committee for Refugee Legal Services 1999
Justice, Equality and Law Reform Courts Services 1999
Justice, Equality and Law Reform Independent Commission for the Location of Victims Remains 1999
Justice, Equality and Law Reform Prisons Authority Interim Board 1999
Justice, Equality and Law Reform National Crime Council 1999
Finance Special EU Programmes Body 1999
Finance Civil Service Arbitration Board 1999
Agriculture, Fisheries and Food Aquaculture Licences Appeals 1998
Arts, Sport and Tourism Council of National Cultural Institutions 1998
Education and Sciences Tipperary Institute 1998
Enterprise, Trade and Employment Enterprise Ireland 1998

:eek:Thanks simply incredible. Truly frightening, consider just the board members,at 6 per board there's approx 1000 board members. I know some of them get more, but lets say €8,000 per annum thats 8 million per year. Add expenses, add employees of these councils boards etc or whatever they are called.

If there were only two employees at €35,000 per annum thats another 11 million per annum.

I'm flabbergasted.

Frightening. I'm curious where did you find the list...one is repeated.

segaBOY

Nijmegen wrote: »

One of those quangos had their lease extended by the OPW and can't move (it wouldn't make economic sense now.)

OPW seems to sign the most juicy deals, by the by. Last time I negotiated a lease I nearly had the other guy under the table on terms...

Do you know which one?

Nijmegen

segaBOY wrote: »

Do you know which one?

I wouldn't like to say and get someone in trouble. But the merge of all 3 was scuppored by the move, and the fault rests with the OPW and it is a great example of "Yes, Minister" and the public service getting its own way.

The CEO's and directors and managers of these quangos don't want to be merged and lose their status in the world. I doubt they moved very fast to prevent the OPW extending one of their leases.

And what the heck gives with these water tight leases the OPW negotiates? It beggars belief.

jmayo

rumour wrote: »

:eek:Thanks simply incredible. Truly frightening, consider just the board members,at 6 per board there's approx 1000 board members. I know some of them get more, but lets say €8,000 per annum thats 8 million per year. Add expenses, add employees of these councils boards etc or whatever they are called.

If there were only two employees at €35,000 per annum thats another 11 million per annum.

I'm flabbergasted.

Frightening. I'm curious where did you find the list...one is repeated.

Can't remember where exactly on my travels through the net.
Could be propertypin or politics.ie ?
You know those awful ABff franchises.

What has truly surprised me was how no one of the supposed switched on people that post on these here boards bothered their arses replying to my post listing all those quangoes. :mad:
That was until now almost a year to the day form that post does a new poster Fairs Fair ressurect this thread.

Sadly I had forgotten about it myself.

Actually I think this thread much like another one I started on frank fahey and his shocking diversion of state funds to two of his constituents, goes to show how people get easily diverted and caught up in certain topics and debates such as the old public versus private.

mike65

UK government lists QUANGOs to go/stay/merge

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/interactive/2010/oct/14/quangos

Sizzler

mike65 wrote: »

UK government lists QUANGOs to go/stay/merge

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/interactive/2010/oct/14/quangos

Sadly, the only people I can EVER see doing this here is not our own political establishment but our real underwriters, ie the ECB or the IMF.

Not one of the exisiting political parties we are lumbered with would have the bollix to even dare think about scrapping a % these, they will need to be told and the sooner the better imho.

Can you imagine the sheer "outrage" it would cause with the likes of SIPTU & IMPACT etc if a few quangos were quashed sledgehammer style :rolleyes:

Sizzler

OK, heres a good example...

www.npsra.ie

Formed in 2005 by no other than the esteemed Michael McDowell.

9 employees.
1 CEO on a 6 figure salary.
Annual budget of 600k since its inception and rising c.10% year on year.
2009 budget €738K

Power of said "authority" = NOTHING

No legislation / no enforcement / no clout...NOTHING!

This organisation is utterly POINTLESS and is a disgraceful waste of taxpayers money. This is just one example :eek:

andrewdcs

Sizzler wrote: »

OK, heres a good example...

www.npsra.ie

This organisation is utterly POINTLESS and is a disgraceful waste of taxpayers money. This is just one example :eek:

I love that their logo is a big Q with a tick... rage.
Wheres the best place to find quango lists and budgets, it being "our" money can't we have a look at all the salarys/costs and get investigative journalists on them?

femur61

Bit like the Senad toatally pointless. More of our tax money spent on pointless institutuions.

johnboy_123

totally agree here...Start with the politicians and cut there wage and numbers, get rid of the Seanad, stop paying Public sectors/Civil Servants getting more than one pension. Stop paying pensions to anyone not at retirement age in the civil service or P.S and then go after the quangos. I reckon we would save billions