Eurolens.ie - Beware

shayg1971

These guys have a .ie domain, and a brand that suggests they are Europe- based. At no point during their order process does it suggest otherwise.

Until your lens order shows up 6 weeks later by ground mail, shipped from the US with a customs bill for VAT and a processing fee. I used them for the 1st (and last) time recently because my new prescription is not widely carried. I had a bitch at their customer service's email address, but they've ignored that completely.

I went thru the order process again to make sure I hadn't missed some subtle fine print first time around. But no, it seens deliberately set up to hide the reality from potential customers. You could be lucky and have your shipment make it thru without a charge. Or you could get shafted.

There's plenty of EU based competitors, so advise avoid...

Squiggle

It's worth noting that if you're buying on line from outside the EU you can buy goods up to a value of €22 without incurring any VAT charges. Goods up to a value of €150 may be imported without payment of Customs Duty. To avoid these packages being stopped by Customs, the value should be clearly marked on the label. However, VAT and import duty is charged on importations of tobacco, tobacco products, alcoholic product and perfumes even if they cost less than €22.

keskusmis

I ordered my contact lenses from eurolens.ie thinking that they are Ireland based and that i got a great deal.

After 7-8 weeks of waiting they finally arrived and to my surprise I had to pay extra for customs, VAT and collect charges..:(

Never again!

ibarelycare

So pissed off with this company too. The first few times I ordered from them, they were fine, but in July I ordered a box of contact lenses and they took over a month to arrive. The box had been opened and searched by customs but I didn't incur any extra charges. I decided to give them another try, thinking that it was probably just unlucky that customs had gotten to it...I hope this is the case!

I ordered last week and the order status is still "Processing" and money still hasn't been taken off my credit card. Absolutely ridiculous. Mailed them today but God knows when I'll hear back from them. I know I shouldn't have used them again, but they're the cheapest site that I can get my Focus Colour Dimensions from (€43 for a box of 6).

yelselseivad

I got stung like many others ordering from Eurolens.ie As I used a link from Pigsback (Thankfully they've now removed it so might prevent some others falling into the same trap) and because it had .ie and free postage to Europe on their site I presume I was ordering from Ireland. I was quoted a price in euros but the amount went through my account in USD so the amount charged to me credit card was more. When I e-mailed them it was then that I discovered I'd ordered from the US. I had checked the returns policy etc before I ordered and the address was in the UK no mention of outside the EU except in very small print where I discovered TOO late that I 'could be subject to customs charges'. I contacted Visa who said I had to wait a month before they could refund me and low and behold on day 29 the lens arrived along with a request from the delivery guy for €50. Wish I'd read this post before I ordered. We were waiting so long for the delivery that I had to order more as my son ran out so got them in double quick time from Yourlenses who I'd used before and deliver from Sweden. BUYER BEWARE

loopymum

Just got stung here for VAT and PO charge as well, come to €20.96.

I am pissed off, just emailed them there.

TescoDiets

There are a few threads running on the topic of Customs Charges so not sure where to post this but just wondering if anyone has any advice.

I have an unusual situation where I purchased a bulk load of items to the value of around 150 quid. Then I returned one of the items to be repaired under warrenty. Then the returning item was held by customs. I explained I didn't have the original receipt as it was part of an earlier bulk order to the value of X. Now they are chaising me to pay the customs charges on the original goods dispite the fact that they let them through on an earlier date.

So even if do not claime the current individual item, can they still come after me for the cost of the original order which was not stopped by customs?

Seve OB

sounds like a major scam here

i was under the belief that you had to be an irish company to get a .ie website so there may be cause for complaint here

http://www.domainregistry.ie/

having said that, i've been buying lenses for years from www.aclens.com and have never had to pay customes duty of any kind

Dozen Wicked Words

Bit like shutting the door after the horse has bolted but, one way (but not foolproof) of seeing where a site is based, is using Flagfox on Firefox, If you put eurolens.ie into the browser the little flag in the right of the address box tells you they are in the US. Click on the little flag and it gives you more info.

Sorry to everyone who has been stung by the way.

Squiggle

Flagfox identifies http://www.opticalinstitute.com/ as being US based but it's based in Portugal and I know that to be true because I have bought lenses from them. http://www.domainsearch.com/index.htm correctly shows them to be based in Portugal, and eurolens.ie to be US based. I don't know how reliable http://www.domainsearch.com/index.htm is in general.

rsmike

Silly me for not googling these guys before ordering lenses, I got scammed also, 5 week delivery and €15 bill from An Post.

I have just lodged a complaint with IEDR asking how Eurolens "demonstrated a real and substantive connection with Ireland" when they were given this domain ( that is one of the requirements to get an IE domain), and referred to this thread in my complaint.

Lets see how they respond

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UPDATE: OK here is their response already from IEDR:

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Thank you for your email

I am sorry you are experiencing difficulties with this company.

As you can see from this link, all companies need to provide a connection to Ireland:
(http://www.domainregistry.ie/index.php/mnudomregs/mnuquickguide)

One of the criteria is

- Copies of invoices (showing trade to or from Ireland)

This company that you refer to, does fulfil this requirement.

The issue seems to be with the information they are providing on their website, which
unfortunately we do not have any control over. We issue the domain name only.

I advise you to contact hotline.ie if you are concerned about the practises of this
website.

I am sorry I cannot help you any further.

Kind regards

---

So seems like they don't care that consumers are being scammed as long as they get their registration numbers up and keep the money rolling in.

Not sure about their recommendation to contact hotline.ie, as it looks like they deal more with illegal activity?

rsmike

Thought it was a long shot but decided to try a complaint to hotline, here is the reply:

=====================
The hotline.ie service acknowledges the report you have submitted.

The Hotline service handles cases of suspected illegal content on the Internet especially Child Pornography
which is specifically illegal under the Child Trafficking and Pornography Act (1998).

I regret to inform you that the report you have made is outside of the Hotline's remit. This is because the content provided is not illegal (which is where Holtine.ie can act) and what you are reporting is a consumer dispute and possible mis-advertising.

We suggest you refer the matters to the Office of the Director of Consumer Affairs an/or the Advertising Standards Authority of Ireland
=======================

so now trying www.consumerconnect.ie ......................

nolo_

any joy with that? i just got my lenses today with a customs bill. please wipe this website off the net!!!

Also, i had an argument with this company last week because the amount they charged to my credit card was a couple of euro more then what was on the online invoice (stated in euro). They initially wouldn't give the difference back to me. I had to quote contract law to get it.

rsmike

nolo_ wrote: »

any joy with that? i just got my lenses today with a customs bill. please wipe this website off the net!!!

Also, i had an argument with this company last week because the amount they charged to my credit card was a couple of euro more then what was on the online invoice (stated in euro). They initially wouldn't give the difference back to me. I had to quote contract law to get it.

No Joy, it seems our consumer agency is powerless, here is their reply:


Thank you for contacting the National Consumer Agency (NCA) with your query regarding the domain of the Eurolens website and apologies for the delay in responding to you.

We have referred your query to our Commercial Practices Division (CPD) for their review. However, from reviewing the information provided, it would appear that Lens Inc are trading as eurolens.ie. They are a registered body in Nevada and therefore, they are not subject to Irish Law or European Law. As this is the case, the query you raise has been closed by our Commercial Practices Division as Eurolens do not fall within the jurisdiction of the National Consumer Agency.

We trust you have found this information useful and if you have any further consumer related queries please do not hesitate to contact us on 1890 432 432.

Solair

Contact the national consumer agency

http://www.consumerconnect.ie/eng/

http://www.consumerconnect.ie/eng/Working_With_You/Submit_a_Consumer_Complaint/ (To make a complaint)

rsmike

Solair wrote: »

Contact the national consumer agency

http://www.consumerconnect.ie/eng/

http://www.consumerconnect.ie/eng/Working_With_You/Submit_a_Consumer_Complaint/ (To make a complaint)

Errr, I did, that is their reply posted above

Solair

Sorry, you posted the text in dark blue, which I can't read as my boards.ie account displays with a black background. It just looked like a blank post to me.

The National Consumer Agency seem to have nearly as much power as a very small kitten. No doubt, they were setup by our wonderful protect the vested interests FF-lead previous Government.

I wonder if it might be worth shopping them to US authorities?

They're very strict on dispensing lenses without a valid US prescription.

Info:

http://business.ftc.gov/documents/bus62-contact-lens-rule-guide-prescribers-and-sellers

Also, it might be worth contacting the Minister for Health's office and CCing your local FG TD.

Or, better yet, as your local TD to contact the Minister for Health's office on your behalf. They like doing that sort of thing, but it does actually get taken seriously.

the_syco

Could you go down the route of taking the Eurolens.ie domain off them, as they are not based in Ireland? It seems rather odd, as I thought you needed to reside in Ireland to get an dot IE domain?

Solair

Since you thought that you were dealing with an Irish company, I think this could be simple breech of contract. You are not getting the goods/services you agreed to i.e. you were totally unaware that you were dealing with a US Company.

Threaten to instigate Small Claims Court proceedings if they do not resolve this.

If they don't, then perhaps start he proceedings. They are very simple and very low cost.

http://www.courts.ie/courts.ie/Library3.nsf/PageCurrentWebLookUpTopNav/Small%20Claims%20Procedure

Gian-Pa

I got f*cked as well.
I thought it was Irish or at least UK.
I had to pay 17.59€ for Customs and waste 2 hours to go and get lost in Howth (An Post Kilbarrack Sorting Office)even though it was supposed to be delivered in city center.
If you have to pay for Customs and there is nobody when a try (once), you have to go to Howth (for the north side An Post deliveries).

Plus the joke that they say "your order has been shipped via FEDEX INTERNATIONAL MAIL SERVICE", yeah sure.

So for 55.36€ order I payed 17.59€ extra and for waiting 3 weeks? still cheaper than in VisionExpress (about 17€ less), but i'm sure I can find cheaper deal online.

So the verdict is don't shop at euroLens.ie and if possible report it as bad business if you can.

porterj

It would appear that this company is still operating this fraud, I have just been caught for €24.81 Customs charges, also they charged my credit card account for €3.83 more than their official invoice shows.

optician

they should be reported to the irish domain name registrstion.

.ie addresses should be based in ireland and if reported they can remove the website

porterj

I have reported euroLens.ie to the European Consumer Centre Ireland. They agree that the website is most misleading but the difficulty is that as the company behind this website is based in the US, they are not bound by EU rules which state that all taxes and charges must be clearly stated and that any material information must not be misleading. However as the company is outside Europe, they can take no action against them.

porterj

optician wrote: »

they should be reported to the irish domain name registrstion.

.ie addresses should be based in ireland and if reported they can remove the website

This is the message I got from .ie domain registration

"The IEDR is responsible only for the domain name itself and all .ie domain names have met our requirements before they are registered.

Unfortunately therefore we have no control over a how a business operates, or the content of
their website.

We therefore cannot help you with this issue. However, perhaps the people at hotline.ie will be able
to assist you.

optician

porterj wrote: »

This is the message I got from .ie domain registration

"The IEDR is responsible only for the domain name itself and all .ie domain names have met our requirements before they are registered.

Unfortunately therefore we have no control over a how a business operates, or the content of
their website.

We therefore cannot help you with this issue. However, perhaps the people at hotline.ie will be able
to assist you.

how can they say that they met their requirements before they registered if one of the requirements are that they are registered in Ireland???

porterj

optician wrote: »

how can they say that they met their requirements before they registered if one of the requirements are that they are registered in Ireland???

The regulations state:

To apply under this class the applicant must be a public or limited company registered with the Companies’ Registration Office or any equivalent body in their state. For applicants not based in Ireland or in Northern Ireland, the evidence of a “real and substantive link to Ireland” will be requested.

I have asked how Lens.com demonstrated a “real and substantive link to Ireland” ,
I await an answer

optician

porterj wrote: »

I await an answer

any reply???

porterj

Their answer was:-

"Hi John

Thanks for your email.

The IEDR have rules and regulations which can be found on our website at www.iedr.ie

The IEDR is responsible only for the domain name itself and all .ie domain names have met our requirements before they are registered.

Unfortunately therefore we have no control over a how a business operates, or the content of
their website.

We therefore cannot help you with this issue. However, perhaps the people at hotline.ie will be able
to assist you.

Kind regards

Liesanne"

As well as the ie Domain Registry I have written to the European Consumer Centre who say they have no power to act as the company is in America and out of their jurisdiction.

I have also lodged a complaint to econsumer.gov Their reply is as follows:

"The participating enforcement agencies will use the information in your complaint to spot new trends, uncover new scams, and target suspect companies and individuals for law enforcement actions. It may help to ensure that others are not victimized in the way that you have been. You should know that submitting a complaint to this system WILL NOT necessarily trigger an obligation for any participating agency to investigate your complaint on your behalf."

I am not holding my breath!!

optician

porterj wrote: »

Their answer was:-

"Hi John

Thanks for your email.

The IEDR have rules and regulations which can be found on our website at www.iedr.ie

The IEDR is responsible only for the domain name itself and all .ie domain names have met our requirements before they are registered.

Unfortunately therefore we have no control over a how a business operates, or the content of
their website.

We therefore cannot help you with this issue. However, perhaps the people at hotline.ie will be able
to assist you.

Kind regards

Liesanne"

As well as the ie Domain Registry I have written to the European Consumer Centre who say they have no power to act as the company is in America and out of their jurisdiction.

I have also lodged a complaint to econsumer.gov Their reply is as follows:

"The participating enforcement agencies will use the information in your complaint to spot new trends, uncover new scams, and target suspect companies and individuals for law enforcement actions. It may help to ensure that others are not victimized in the way that you have been. You should know that submitting a complaint to this system WILL NOT necessarily trigger an obligation for any participating agency to investigate your complaint on your behalf."

I am not holding my breath!!

that is ridiculous. I blame the .ie registry fully because if a company has a .ie registry by its own regulation it suggests to the buyer that the company has a "real and substantive link to Ireland" and effects the buyers choice of website to buy from.

so the conversation has gone like this

why has eurolens.ie been given a .ie web address when it is an american company operating out of America?

This company met our requirements before we registered them.

What are these requirements?
That the company has a real and substantive link to Ireland.

How did they demonstrate this real and substantive link to Ireland when they are an american company operating out of America?
This company met our requirements before we registered them.

I would ask them to investigate exactly what "evidence" they showed for this, ask them in light of these revelations if they will remove the website from the .ie registry and also look to see if the national consumer agency can do anything about it because the consumer is being defrauded here.

OldNotWIse

I've been stung also! Wish I'd seen this thread first! Have emaile dthem so many times and keep getting the same "happy holidays, we apologise for any frustration caused" type replies. URGH!!!! Waiting a month now for my lenses so am heading into the festive season with one contact lens. Great :mad:

Will never order from them again.

PCRunner

Having just been stung I was all set to begin a crusade on this and then discover to my horror that this has been going on since 2004!

My first order from them arrived OK without customs charge and I was left wondering how they could be so much cheaper for a commodity-branded product. Now I know!

Caveat emptor lives on.

monnells

Hi all

I was just about to order from eurolens.ie and did a quick boards search first,so thanks for the warnings. Can I ask you what site is reliable and based in Ireland?

Gian-Pa

http://www.getlenses.ie/ seems ok. though are not the fastest to ship

Anthropology

Got around €166 worth of contacts from www.EuroLense.ie and now stuck with a €44.22 bill from customs!

Some details I found about them:

domain: eurolens.ie
descr: Lens.com, Inc.
descr: Body Corporate (Ltd,PLC,Company)
descr: Discretionary Name
admin-c: AGI205-IEDR
tech-c: ADC696-IEDR
renewal: 16-January-2013
status: Active
nserver: ns1.powerserve.net
nserver: ns2.powerserve.net
source: IEDR

person: Cary Samourkachian
nic-hdl: AGI205-IEDR
source: IEDR

person: Anouar Adlani
nic-hdl: ADC696-IEDR
source: IEDR

odonopenmic

Oh how I wish I'd seen this thread before it was too late...

I too have been stung however, I got a full refund.

Basically, their website said 7-10 working days for delivery and then as it all played out, they then said that this would be six weeks. Long story, head banging off brick wall etc. etc.

So I waited for the delivery day, and the minute it got to six weeks with no sign of them, I requested a full refund, which I duly received. Two days later the lenses arrived in the post

Unbelievable shenanigans though!

I'm currently going through an online optician for spectacles (sacing 200 euro in the process for the same frames and lenses) so I'll let ye know how I get on there if there's another relevant thread. They're UK based, and so far so good and they may also do contacts. Won't post their details though till I have my order and can stand over a recommendation.

syndrome777

i have the sam problem as you guys

didnt know they are in the US
didnt know they dont have return policy if shippment is lost

in the email they say...we do not have tracking number, give it up to 6 weeks .....

so how can they know if I got them or not if they dont have the tracking number :S

did any of you guys get refund?
how did you get it?
just asked, or throu the credit card company?
(i dont know how credit card company resolves this kind of problems in coratia )

i'm so mad


ty for any info
i'm vaiting for my lenses sinc 22.3.2012 /

odonopenmic

I got a refund and this is how it played out....

Because their website/shipping info said allow 7-15 days, I emailed when my order did not show up within this timeframe and asked what was going on? I was then told that I had to allow 6 weeks for delivery.
I sent a complaint and demanded a full refund as the information on their website was incorrect regarding shipping times.
They replied to say that I had to leave 6 weeks for delivery and that they were required to give it the full 6 weeks before they would issue a refund.
After 6 weeks without any delivery, I requested a refund for the 3rd time and was told that they would either reship my order or refund the amount on receipt of a letter of non-receipt.
I sent the letter confirming non-receipt by return email and was issued a refund within a day or two.

Hope that helps - they're a bunch of cowboys so it would not surprise me at all if they have now changed things to make it non-refundable.

Good luck.

syndrome777

thank you very much
can you just please tell me what is the "letter of non-receipt."
(i do understand what it is, it is a kind a proff that you did not get you stuff right?)
but where do i find that (on the internet i presume? xd) and can I email that od i have to send it by post ?
(a little language barrier and I havent had any axpirience of this kind yet)

and on the refun oplicy, they are a little bit contraditory



they say
euroLens guarantees that all our orders will be shipped containing the exact contact lenses that were ordered, and that all of those contact lenses will be sealed in the manufacturer's sterile packaging, or your purchase will be fully refunded.

euroLens also guarantees that if within 30 days you have any problems with your order, then all of your unopened packages can be returned for a full refund.*

and then
Notes:

Returns can take as long as six weeks to process
euroLens can only accept sealed and unopened products for return
euroLens does not accept responsability for products that are lost or damaged during shipment.
* - Full Refund:
No custom orders (including Made to Order lenses) can be returned, cancelled, or exchanged once the order has been received by our system.
There is a small processing fee for all returns
Shipping and Handling charges will not be refunded

OldNotWIse

Got mine...and a refund lol, two fingers up to them

Mousewar

Six weeks after ordering I just got a slip of paper from An Post telling me to pay 25 quid customs. I emailed eurolens and told them I wasn't paying import changes as I thought they were in bloody ireland. Told them to give me a refund and then told them to go and sh*te. Hope that works...

OldNotWIse

Mousewar wrote: »

Six weeks after ordering I just got a slip of paper from An Post telling me to pay 25 quid customs. I emailed eurolens and told them I wasn't paying import changes as I thought they were in bloody ireland. Told them to give me a refund and then told them to go and sh*te. Hope that works...

I dont know if it will. I had war with them over their ".ie" domain and how misleading it was and got nowhere. I was told I could only get a refund if the goods didn't arrive within 6 weeks. As it turned out, the goods arrived one day before the 6 week limit but I wasnt aware the "we tried to deliver" ticket had been left in the poxtbox so I got my refund. About a month later I found the note and went to collect. Didn't have to pay any customs (I dont know why, maybe they just had the lenses sitting around and wanted to get rid of them) Was brill haha. I hope it gets sorted for you. It's sh1t when you think we are getting them cheaper online (and are willing to wait) and then it winds up the same cost :mad:

Mousewar

Indeed, most annoying is that I had previously bought them cheaper from Lens.com which was obviously a US company. As I kept getting stung for custom charges I thought I'd try eurolens.ie. Guess who owns them.