Kraftwerk Remasters Box Set

PaulBrewer

Anyone bought or heard this or know anything about it ?

I'm still stinging after being raped by the Fab Four but it might be worth a look.

empirix

Now delayed until November 16th - do you know what versions they are putting on these, i find the minimum/maximum remixes far superior to the original releases?

madtheory

What versions? They're remasters. So obviously it's the original mixes.

empirix

i figured that but i was hoping for some new remixes included!

madtheory

If you like the live ones what's the problem?

Maybe there'll be out takes, Beatles Anthology style- robots joking in between takes?

Amazon.co.uk has all the info. Only change apart from some of the cover art is that "Electric Café" is renamed "Techno Pop" and has "House Phone" as the only bonus track in the entire collection. Pity they didn't include the 7" version, that's by far the best one IMO.

11811

PaulBrewer wrote: »

Anyone bought or heard this or know anything about it ?

I'm still stinging after being raped by the Fab Four but it might be worth a look.

Looks good, £70 on Amazon for 8 discs, not too bad I reckon.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Catalogue-Kraftwerk/dp/tracks/B002LCOQTG/ref=dp_tracks_all_full#disc_1

bedbugs

Yum. this looks delicious.

PaulBrewer

11811 wrote: »

Looks good, £70 on Amazon for 8 discs, not too bad I reckon.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Catalogue-Kraftwerk/dp/tracks/B002LCOQTG/ref=dp_tracks_all_full#disc_1

Cool, Ta !

It's a band I know little about apart from the general legend, but every time I hear something I like it ....

madtheory

Their best albums are "Autobahn" "Radioactivity" and "Computer World". "The Mix" and the DVD of "Minimum/ Macimum" are daycent too.

bedbugs

madtheory wrote: »

Their best albums are "Autobahn" "Radioactivity" and "Computer World". "The Mix" and the DVD of "Minimum/ Macimum" are daycent too.

Ah you gotta love The Man Machine. It's my kids' fav record!

madtheory

LOL! I find that one a bit "cold" (ya, I know, it's Kraftwerk) but if a child likes it, that's good enough for me!!

old gregg

all that Düsseldorf School stuff was cold

(he offers as a broad sweeping subjective statement having spent [too] much of his teens getting stoned to the warmer Berlin school of early Tangerine Dream)

empirix

minumum/maximum is amazing,nice subtle remixes

studiorat

Well since we're talking about the Krauts we have to mention Colonge too. Centre of avant garde music for decades and home to Can (band). 2 of who's members were pupils of Stockhausen...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYofXejk2BM

Seziertisch

Rendez-vous auf den Champs Elysees
Verlass Paris am Morgen mit dem TEE
In Wien sitzen wir im Nachtcafe
Direkt Verbindung TEE
Wir laufen 'rein in Düsseldorf City
Und treffen Iggy Pop und David Bowie
Trans Europa Express

Trans Europa Express is my personal fav, can't argue with meeting with Iggy and the Thin White Duke in Düsseldorf.

jtsuited

that whole german thing of cities having different sounds thing is still going on today:

Hanover - Martin Buttrich, Loco Dice (for a while)
Mannheim - Nick Curly, Alex Flatner, the Cecille label
Cologne - the Kompakt stuff.
Berlin - Bpitch, Minus, etc.

Interesting history came from those early days.
Yeah and the Dusseldorf stuff is supposed to be very cold and robotic (obviously illustrated with the whole Kraftwerk thing).

Loved the Minimum/Maximum remixes etc.
Reading about Kraftwerk is a thoroughly enjoyable and time consuming endeavour.

old gregg

o golly, it strays off topic but that's a thread I love every time it happens anywhere

Berlin - Ben Klock, Robert Henke, .... *sighs*

never worked there but it's a goal

jtsuited

old gregg wrote: »

o golly, it strays off topic but that's a thread I love every time it happens anywhere

Berlin - Ben Klock, Robert Henke, .... *sighs*

never worked there but it's a goal

haha, even in berlin there's a few different factions too. everyone involved in the berghain/panorama bar on the ostgut ton label (Klock, Len Faki, etc) and then the rest.

They should have a Five a side football league in germany for all the different subgenres. Maybe they do and that's why Ralf Hutter keeps firing all the old members of Kraftwerk to replace them with younger lads.

old gregg

it's when Hutter starts bringing in Brazilians that you'll know he's going for European glory against Ferguson's boys of the Manchester school .

ah it's true though, for many years I've dreamt of doing a performance or two in Berlin and spending a few days scouting around carrying out field recordings for a future project. It'll happen next year I feel.

Seziertisch

old gregg wrote: »

it's when Hutter starts bringing in Brazilians that you'll know he's going for European glory against Ferguson's boys of the Manchester school .

ah it's true though, for many years I've dreamt of doing a performance or two in Berlin and spending a few days scouting around carrying out field recordings for a future project. It'll happen next year I feel.

Berlin is a good spot for electro stuff, but has some of the worst guitar bands you are likely to see anywhere. I have talked extensively with people there about it and a number of things keep cropping up again and again

- the bands are not particularly well rehearsed and feel no shame about getting up on stage and fumbling their way through an already mediocre set.
- zero effort is made to entertain the audience with the attitude being this is art and **** these peasants if they don't understand.
- the band has a kerrazy concept behind it. When I lived there I routinely saw musician wanted ads which said they were looking for "freaks" or similar
- German youth largely tends to be quite conservative in a way that you don't really see in Ireland at any rate. Why do you need your parents to discourage you from making a go of a band when you can do that yourself?
- there tends to be the attitude of people wanting something for their efforts i.e. statistically speaking even if I rehearse my balls off and work really hard at it I probably won't make it, so why bother?
- the gang mentality is largely absent. The idea of putting a band together and sticking it to the doubters doesn't really feature.
- a lot of musicians don't take an interest in the roots of the music they like. They like band x and even though bands p and q are cited as major influences by band x, because they are not current people aren't interested. In Ireland I feel that if someone likes a band they will go to the effort of understanding where they came from
- Younger people lack respect for the Stones. On a number of occasions saying I was a Stones fan, I got the kind of reaction you might expect saying that you were into Dickie Rock. Whatever the Stones have become, their late 60s/early 70s output are amongst the finest rock'n'roll recordings known to humanity. The first 30 seconds of the song Gimme Shelter has more attitude than you will find on a whole record by most fashionable retro rock bands.
- Oh, and people aren't in to Kraftwerk! They are largely seen as a novelty act. I have had to explain to people that they are a national treasure and the most influential German band of all time, and are rightly revered by critics and their peers throughout the wider world.

... so yeah, leave the guitar at home ...

PaulBrewer

I'm sorry I asked now ....;)

Seziertisch

That's the beauty of this forum, seeing as there are only a couple of threads posted on every day, we should be glad that people are posting at all, completely on topic or not.

old gregg

Fascinating stuff about guitar bands and German attitudes to music generally Seziertisch. I'll leave the old gitt-fiddle at home, just as well I've been taking a break from guitar and have not played it 'in front of a proper live audience' since 1979.

So, outside of Kraftwerk, how do they perceive/appreciate the whole influence that 60s and 70s German electronic music has had on the world? To the rest of us, I think, it's been huge and in particular modern dance music sounds the way it does because of the likes of Kraftwerk, Tangerine Dream and all the rest of those crazy cats from back then.

Funny one that, on The Stones. I grew up on the golden era of The Stones, and it's curious to see people view it purely as dad rock these days.

Yo Paul, maybe you could cut past all the retro German stuff and head straight for some Rammstein

jtsuited

Aren't the Germans very very particular about the whole high art/low art thing? That seems to be the case to me anywho.

I mean they seem to comprehend the idea of the avant garde aesthetic perfectly.

Actually I fcukin hate the Stones so it would probably make a lot of sense that I like the German approach to music if it's the case that they are viewed as being irrelevant dadrock.

run_Forrest_run

afraid I can't add to the in-depth conversation here but I'm looking forward to getting my hands on this anyway, oh and I like Tangerine Dream also:)

Seziertisch

jtsuited wrote: »

Aren't the Germans very very particular about the whole high art/low art thing? That seems to be the case to me anywho.

I mean they seem to comprehend the idea of the avant garde aesthetic perfectly.

Actually I fcukin hate the Stones so it would probably make a lot of sense that I like the German approach to music if it's the case that they are viewed as being irrelevant dadrock.

But you probably don't like the Kaiser Chiefs and consider them to be a really cutting edge rock act either?

As for your Stones dislike you really should check out some of those late 60s/early 70s albums. The musicianship on them is above question (regardless of what you think of the money making machine they have become).

Seziertisch

old gregg wrote: »

Fascinating stuff about guitar bands and German attitudes to music generally Seziertisch. I'll leave the old gitt-fiddle at home, just as well I've been taking a break from guitar and have not played it 'in front of a proper live audience' since 1979.

So, outside of Kraftwerk, how do they perceive/appreciate the whole influence that 60s and 70s German electronic music has had on the world? To the rest of us, I think, it's been huge and in particular modern dance music sounds the way it does because of the likes of Kraftwerk, Tangerine Dream and all the rest of those crazy cats from back then.

Weirdly enough, a lot of the really mainstream bands in Germany are the direct descendents of Kraftwerk. Depeche Mode are HUUUGGEEE, particularly the older stuff, but that doesn't mean that the same people who like them also like Kraftwerk (bizarrely enough).

I think a lot of it is just the general culture. Electronic music is established in Germany. People are more likely to start messing with a sequencer than strumming a guitar. Also in terms of playing out as an electronic musician in Berlin, the competition is stiff. There are a lot of "amateur" bedroom warriors doing some great stuff, so if you want to play anywhere you need to be some good. The same doesn't apply to guitar music.

This guy is a mate of mine who does it almost purely as a hobby, but I really like his stuff. http://www.myspace.com/finchhatten
I think there are a lot of other "amateur" guys out there that are of a similar standard.

Otherwise I love that Rammstein ****. They very much regard what they are doing as high art, almost as a form of musical theatre, and offstage they are completely regular, devoted family men. Some of them used to be in this cult East German punk band, but I can't for the life of me think of the name.

old gregg

digging the Finchhatten indeed
makes loads of sense re standards and competition in electronic music. ahh we'll see how it goes next year. I'd be more in the Biosphere vein so it's either festival ambient/chill stages or gallery/church spaces I end up playing these days, which is nice.

jtsuited

just out of interest have any of you seen the new rammstein video. you won't find it on youtube because it's actually fairly hardcore porn with rammstein messin about. mental stuff.

it seems that kraftwerk and rammstein share a similar sense of humour and irony, that your average British/Irish person just won't get.

AS for the Kaiser Chiefs question, I hate them too. I really hate that type of 'look at us we're craaaazy and super quirky' indie that's become endemic over the past few years.

Oh and I've listened to a lot of stones stuff, and I can't dig it at all. To me it lacks depth and seems very much style over substance.

Meh, different strokes for different folks etc.

old gregg

ah dude, I've just seen new rammstein video. O dear, as far as music videos go, that's the most sexually explicit I've ever seen, by a long shot

contains the excellent lyric 'I can't get laid, in Germany' among other no beating about the bush ejaculations.

Totally not safe for work or in the library. Loved it.

Seziertisch

jtsuited wrote: »

just out of interest have any of you seen the new rammstein video. you won't find it on youtube because it's actually fairly hardcore porn with rammstein messin about. mental stuff.

it seems that kraftwerk and rammstein share a similar sense of humour and irony, that your average British/Irish person just won't get.

AS for the Kaiser Chiefs question, I hate them too. I really hate that type of 'look at us we're craaaazy and super quirky' indie that's become endemic over the past few years.

Oh and I've listened to a lot of stones stuff, and I can't dig it at all. To me it lacks depth and seems very much style over substance.

Meh, different strokes for different folks etc.

The reason I mentioned the Kaiser Chief's was that a lot of the rock music fans I met over there who considered the Stones old hat were into the Kaiser Chiefs and their ilk...