Donegal say's No

Carrickman

Donegal NE and SW are the only two constituencies to vote no to Lisbon...

41 results are in so far, with the two Donegal constituencies notably being the only No votes. In the Tánaiste's constituency of Donegal South West, the No side won by just 171 votes.

The margin was higher in Donegal North East, at 848, but Donegal stands alone - every other constituency in the country appears to have voted yes.

irish1967

Well, we never really followed the herd did we? Time will tell I guess.

spadder

I get the feeling this a "f**k you" to Coughlin?

Mint Sauce

was just about to post this, the only county and constutuncys to say no now that all votes are in

Mint Sauce

spadder wrote: »

I get the feeling this a "f**k you" to Coughlin?

lol, wouldn't have used those words my self but would say there was definalty a protest vote or two amoungst those ballots

irish1967

Maybe its because we know what its like to be the 'forgotten county' and now the others will experience what its like to live in a 'forgotten country'.

greeno

irish1967 wrote: »

Maybe its because we know what its like to be the 'forgotten county' and now the others will experience what its like to live in a 'forgotten country'.

Well said! One of main reasons I was opposed to the thing

trafada

irish1967 wrote: »

Maybe its because we know what its like to be the 'forgotten county' and now the others will experience what its like to live in a 'forgotten country'.

Sorry that makes zero sense, the EU didn't forget about all the new roads did they? How will other places know what it's like to be forgotten? In fact Donegal was lucky for a long time to have Killybegs, if we didn't have that then things would have been alot lot worse throughout the 80's.
If Donegal is forgotten it's because of the idiotic electorate that continued to vote Coughlan in time and time again, in terms of political representation the county has reaped the whirlwind.
We are not different from the herd it's the same gombeenism and lets use reasons that have nothing to do with an election to vote against it, and people laughed at Americans who voted for Bush!
By all means vote no to an EU treaty but for EU reasons not local horse sh1t that has failed the county and country over the years.
How did people think a no vote would bring down the government, has a government ever fallen due to not passing a referendum? The next general election will be interesting, the last one exposed the people who voted for the cuurent shower and who are angry now for what they are; braindead zombies who vote the same way as their parents with no ability to look ahead, and as long as things were ok then it didn't matter.

trafada

greeno wrote: »

Well said! One of main reasons I was opposed to the thing

You're full of win.

lazlo

I'm proud of the result in Donegal and disgusted with the rest of the nation.

trafada

lazlo wrote: »

I'm proud of the result in Donegal and disgusted with the rest of the nation.

Why? As a protest to the EU why don't you stop using the new roads that were built over the years?

lazlo

in practice the EU is completely under the thumb of the ESCB and with the Maastricht, Nice and Lisbon treaties we are gradually making the this power structure official.

Nobody seems to care though

trafada

lazlo wrote: »

in practice the EU is completely under the thumb of the ESCB and with the Maastricht, Nice and Lisbon treaties we are gradually making the this power structure official.

Nobody seems to care though

They're better than the other shower

irish1967

Yeah we better stop using all the new roads.

We should leave them free for all the people going to work in industries helped by EU and all the trucks carrying all the goods made here to destinations all over Europe. These are the same roads under which our mega fast broadband runs. These roads criss crossed by railway crossings. Yes lets leave them clear the 100s of trucks laden with fish coming from Killybegs and for the farmers transporting their valuable crops and livestock to market.

If we leave them clear both the people still working for the council could fix the potholes while the N.I and UK contractors resurface them. At least then the roads will be in great condition for all the cancer patients heading to Dublin and Galway for treatment.

I totally agree.. lets stop using the EU financed roads.:rolleyes:

lazlo

trafada wrote: »

They're better than the other shower

Its the american model thats being implemented though, a virtual replica right down to the scratch interest rates on currency. The Federal Reserve has been a law unto itself for years and has much to answer for in terms of the current economic crisis. It hasn't been subjected to any form of external or independent audit and the representatives in congress who want to implement such an audit are having a very very difficult time getting it off the ground. The European Central Bank has used the Federal Reserve as a blueprint for its current setup
The administration in Ireland is and has been very negligent to its people in a lot of respects but I dont think that Maastricht, Nice or Lisbon are a path that we should be walking.

trafada

irish1967 wrote: »

Yeah we better stop using all the new roads.

We should leave them free for all the people going to work in industries helped by EU and all the trucks carrying all the goods made here to destinations all over Europe. These are the same roads under which our mega fast broadband runs. These roads criss crossed by railway crossings. Yes lets leave them clear the 100s of trucks laden with fish coming from Killybegs and for the farmers transporting their valuable crops and livestock to market.

If we leave them clear both the people still working for the council could fix the potholes while the N.I and UK contractors resurface them. At least then the roads will be in great condition for all the cancer patients heading to Dublin and Galway for treatment.

I totally agree.. lets stop using the EU financed roads.:rolleyes:

What are you on about, you implied in your previous post that Donegal is forgotten, I pointed out how Donegal has benefited and how people voted for years based on gombeenism and nepotism and when all of a sudden people realise the glorified county councilers aren't qualified for their position they somehow think that by expressing their anger in a referendum (that should have no relevance to their anger ) the government will collapse. If you are unhappy with Donegal poilitcs the place is the local and general elections not an EU vote, like I said wait until the next general election, I wouldn't be surprised if nothing changes. If you want to do somehting about it then, seriously the very best of luck to you. Your efforts will have alot more effect.

trafada

lazlo wrote: »

Its the american model thats being implemented though, a virtual replica right down to the scratch interest rates on currency. The Federal Reserve has been a law unto itself for years and has much to answer for in terms of the current economic crisis. It hasn't been subjected to any form of external or independent audit and the representatives in congress who want to implement such an audit are having a very very difficult time getting it off the ground.
The administration in Ireland is and has been very negligent to its people in a lot of respects but I dont think that Maastricht, Nice or Lisbon are a path that we should be walking.

I think the Fed is going to come under scrutiny in the near future and if it does then hopefully lessons will be learnt, my main gripe in this thread is people voting on an EU matter based on local and national anger at politicians that should have arisen a long time ago.

lazlo

trafada wrote: »

I think the Fed is going to come under scrutiny in the near future and if it does then hopefully lessons will be learnt, my main gripe in this thread is people voting on an EU matter based on local and national anger at politicians that should have arisen a long time ago.

My vote is based on the content of the treaty, in particular the sections on finance and its functioning

LoanShark

SO the slogan "Up Here We're Different!" Really comes into play! Doesn't it?:(

cabinteelytom

trafada wrote: »

Why? As a protest to the EU why don't you stop using the new roads that were built over the years?

Answer: That would be completely illogical, as the roads were buildt under the Nice Treaty ; which the NO voters tried to continue as the EU's means of decision making.

Macroom Man

Well done Tir Conaill.

Let us hope
the South will rise again!

muffler

Careful here lads please.

The referendum is over, Ireland voted yes as a nation with Donegal recording a no vote which effectively counts for nothing in the bigger scheme of things.

However this thread is about the fact that the majority of people in Donegal who voted ticked the "no" box and I dont want to see a rerun of the debate surrounding the topic of the referendum. So please stay on topic.

kumate_champ07

Donegal is a beautiful county.

Mint Sauce

if this was a protest vote, i'm not surprised, donegal is still cut off from the rest of the country

people say new roads new roads, what new roads, ok so there has been new roads built, but where do they connect to, towns have been by passed fair enough, but there not connected to the rest of the network

jobs, i know serveral people who have either been made redundent in donegal, or they travel to derry to work, i used to live in letterkenny, i went to derry my self for interviews, moved to sligo to get a job

health service, what health service, donegal is one of the biggest, and most rural counties in the country, has one general hospital serving that population, but if you want any specialised care, where do you go, galway or dublin

i'm not knocking donegal, belive me, its the goverment i'm knocking, its people have been let down by this goverment, people thought having a Tanaiste in residence would have been a good thing for the county, i thought so my self, personally though have not seen any improvment

going back to the vote its self, if it is a protest vote, am slightly disapointed , people should have voted for the good of the country and them selfs, not because they have been let down by an inept goverment. if your unhappy with them, vote someone else, but you cant blame people, i considered the protest vote my self by spoiling the ballot, but thats just as bad, thats a wasted vote, i'm proud of my vote, and i use it for what i see best.

the only way things will change is, come the next local or general election, is turn out, people vote for what they want, not for what thier used to.

Larrson

Why do so many people think that just because someone voted no that it is a protest vote? Has nobody ( or yes voter's ) ever thought that the reason people voted no is because they thought it is a bad deal for Ireland?

FoxT

What is a 'scratch interest rate on currency' ?
As for the fed being a law unto itself - the role of any modern central bank is to promote economic stability via mgt of the money supply. They do a good job of managing stability as measured by CPI, but a bad job on preventing or controlling asset bubbles, primarily because
1 - nobody knows when a bubble is happening until it is too late
2- There is no political impetus to control bubbles - bubbles are popular!
and
3- The only tool Central banks have is the control of the money supply. This is too blunt an instrument. If you want to choke a bubble you have to raise interest rates, but this will then screw the CPI, and lead to inflationary pressures combined with an increase in unemployment.

the fact that you have identified the fed (and , by extension, the ECB) as being a law unto itself is good - because in the past things were worse when Central Bank operations & policy were governed by politicians....so, it looks to me like something is working.

muffler

First infraction on this. The thread is about Donegal people voting no and I stated earlier that I didnt want a rerun of the whole debate about the treaty.

Now this is the second request for people to stay on topic and it will be the last.

efb

Can we swap donegal for Tyrone?
When the Conservatives get in they'd do it! More Eurosceptics!

puffdragon

Sounds like you were right to vote no, the gangsters are backtracking already!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sED3iApAvE

The no vote in donegal was all about this kind of aul sh--e, and it looks set to continue,it makes my blood boil !!

josey_whale

Larrson wrote: »

Why do so many people think that just because someone voted no that it is a protest vote? Has nobody ( or yes voter's ) ever thought that the reason people voted no is because they thought it is a bad deal for Ireland?

In a way I think you are right, but I do think this is definitely more a local issue. Donegal has long been a forgotten county in terms of economic investment. Take for example the natural beautly of Donegal... why don't we see the same numbers of tourists as does Galway or Kerry? What about our biggest natural resourse.... the sea... Ireland, when it joined the EEC sold it's soul. Of course there are alot of issues here... fishing, quota's, etc, etc. But the point remains.

People in Donegal voted no because they thought Lisbon was/is a bad idea.

And as regards our local politicans.... well, that's another story.........

puffdragon

Yes and hopefully the no vote in Donegal will alert the government to the fact that the roads in donegal are the worst in the country. Unfortunately it seems to be a local issue however in that the DCC is lacking in proper management and the politicians up there dont have enough pull or are too lazy to try, they wont be helped by the Mc Daids or the Coughlans either,
No I'd say across the board it was definitely a protest vote and sure who would blame them!

Thumpette

Tell Cork to hand back it's title!

We are the new rebel county!

ednwireland

did i see a wall been built at the drowse ?

irish1967

Well it will go two ways from here I guess.
1. Everything will be sweet and rosey and everyone will criticise us for returning a no vote. When we fail to get an EU grant for something there will be those who point out the no vote.

2. At some stage in the future changes will be made that Ireland will be told it voted for and there ain't a thing it can do about it. People will wish they voted no but it will be too late. Unfortunately donegal will still suffer.

A no win situation for us but at least we went our own way. No sheep here.

smashey

irish1967 wrote: »

No sheep here.

Muffler might not agree.

muffler

smashey wrote: »

Muffler might not agree.

:eek:

mrmac

Wow, the only reason people in Donegal voted NO was because it was a protest vote!?

It couldn't be because we think the treaty was flawed?

I'm not a eurosceptic, and honestly believe the EU has been a benefit to Ireland (mostly) , but I was opposed to some of the new aspects of the treaty. It had bugger all to do with my locally elected representatives, who all wanted me to vote YES.

History will show us all, how this treaty will effect us. I'm prepared to say I was wrong to vote NO; I just hope the YES folks can too.

puffdragon

irish1967 wrote: »

Well it will go two ways from here I guess.
1. Everything will be sweet and rosey and everyone will criticise us for returning a no vote. When we fail to get an EU grant for something there will be those who point out the no vote.

2. At some stage in the future changes will be made that Ireland will be told it voted for and there ain't a thing it can do about it. People will wish they voted no but it will be too late. Unfortunately donegal will still suffer.

A no win situation for us but at least we went our own way. No sheep here.

Very well put, I would add though that we must keep pushing our politico's for help in whatever way we can, Im sure we wont be forgotten but we'll need to be sure they don't punish us either!!

puffdragon

This is Nigel Farage .I'd say he's spent some time with Declan Ganley by the sounds of him!! and his opinion of the 70 30 split on campaign spending might have something to do with Donegal .I wasn't approached by one Fiana Fail canvasser during the whole campaign ,maybe they threw it away themselves because they were afraid to come to the doors !!




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mamakevf

Is it true that customs border posts could be re-established from all of this.?

fumpidge

Fair play to the people of Donegal for standing up for our country.

It is with great regret that this county has to go down with the sinking ship. :mad:

Pique

The NO vote hasn't got anything to do with the historical influence of the Shinners in Donegal then, no ?

greeno

The influence you mention is not a lot. Can you tell me the last time that a Sinn Fein TD represented Donegal in Leinster House?

slickmcvic

.....who's gonna take the credit for donegal's NO vote....SF or Ganley?
... i reckon it was a protest vote, in a way, Donegal benefitted way less from the Celtic Tiger and EU funding than the rest of the country and in a way yis can't be punished because the place is that neglected already!

greeno

The talk on here seems to suggest a huge SF support in Donegal, perhaps it is worth noting that at no point in recent times have Donegal ever elected a SF TD. I'd say they would be lucky to have 15% of the electorate at present. (I am being generous)

The reasons I think Donegal said no is down to the forgotten county cliche and having little or no say in major decisions. This is much like Irelands role in Europe.

Also to a lesser extent we more than anyone know the problems faced by our Northern Irish counterparts when trying to influence decision making in westminister a small voice in a large Parliament, this is going to be Irelands future in a large number of areas

Noreen1

I don't believe the No vote was a protest against the Government. I do, however, agree that we are familiar with being marginalised, and the idea of the whole country being in a similar position just didn't appeal.

As a no voter, though, I am really sick of being told that I voted No because of Coir, Ganley, Sinn Fein, as a protest against the Government, or because I'm an idiot or moron!

I don't want an infraction, so I'm not going to list my reasons for voting No.
I'd just like to state that you can't just lump No voters into two or three categories, and decide you've got it all worked out!
The reasons for a No vote were many and varied. Simple as that.

On the protest issue - Roll on the next elections. Hopefully, FF will take the same punishment at the polls that they did in the local elections. 'Nuff
said.

Noreen

K-9

Think the last time we went against the trend was the No, No, No to Abortion in 94. That included No to travel or information.

Noreen1

K-9 wrote: »

Think the last time we went against the trend was the No, No, No to Abortion in 94. That included No to travel or information.

I think it probably was in 94 for National trends. I suspect rather a lot of politicians were shocked at how much local trends were reversed at the local elections. Roll on the next general election - I think politics in Donegal is about to become a lot more interesting LOL.

Noreen

puffdragon

Noreen1 wrote: »

I don't believe the No vote was a protest against the Government. I do, however, agree that we are familiar with being marginalised, and the idea of the whole country being in a similar position just didn't appeal.

As a no voter, though, I am really sick of being told that I voted No because of Coir, Ganley, Sinn Fein, as a protest against the Government, or because I'm an idiot or moron!

I don't want an infraction, so I'm not going to list my reasons for voting No.
I'd just like to state that you can't just lump No voters into two or three categories, and decide you've got it all worked out!
The reasons for a No vote were many and varied. Simple as that.

On the protest issue - Roll on the next elections. Hopefully, FF will take the same punishment at the polls that they did in the local elections. 'Nuff
said.

Noreen

I agree whole heartedly with your post and wish that more people like you could get this message across in the media (who are only interested in moving statues and abortion fanatics,) Perhaps this thread has reached its conclusion and we should start another one ,something like "what did you do today to punish Fianna Fail"(i read this post back to myself and it sounded sarcastic but I'm deadly serious)

Mint Sauce

Noreen1 wrote: »

Roll on the next general election - I think politics in Donegal is about to become a lot more interesting LOL.

Noreen

hope so, might wake up mcdaid, the tanaiste, and all the other td's up there to the fact that donegal wont be kept quiet to whats happening, or the lack of it.

irish_goat

greeno wrote: »

The talk on here seems to suggest a huge SF support in Donegal, perhaps it is worth noting that at no point in recent times have Donegal ever elected a SF TD. I'd say they would be lucky to have 15% of the electorate at present. (I am being generous)

2007 General Election: Donegal North East[6] Party Candidate 1st Pref % Seat Count
Fine Gael Joe McHugh 8,711 22.6 1 5
Fianna Fáil Jim McDaid 6,724 17.4 2 7
Fianna Fáil Niall Blaney 6.288 16.3 3 8
Sinn Féin Pádraig MacLochlainn 6,733 17.5


They're very close to getting that last seat.