TT bikes - is yours now illegal

tunney · 02-10-2009 3:00pm #1

Spesh Shiv
Cervelo P4
new Giant
ALL ILLEGAL

Spesh transition under review

Also looks like p3 and orbea ordu as well as the new kestrel and the giant trinity range will also be declared UCI illegal in the very near future.

Home:Ballyhoura · 02-10-2009 3:19pm

tunney wrote: »

Spesh Shiv
Cervelo P4
new Giant
ALL ILLEGAL

Spesh transition under review

Also looks like p3 and orbea ordu as well as the new kestrel and the giant trinity range will also be declared UCI illegal in the very near future.

Where did you get this info? I'm just looking at buying a TT bike (well actually building one up) so need to know more about this. I could have to keep an eye out to check that the frame I buy is legal or look for an illegal one on offer to get a good deal and hope not to be picked up on it!

P.S. Would something like a Dolan Aria or Planet X Stealth be anywhere near the state of being declared illegal?

Chips Lovell · 02-10-2009 3:22pm

Source?

niceonetom · 02-10-2009 3:24pm

Got a link tunney?

I thought it was just the bottle on the P4 that was illegal (it being a bit of a fuselage essentially) but the frame without it was ok... or are the new breed of fork/headtube setups the problem.

The regs now state that now no part of the handlebars can be more than 15cm ahead of the front axle, and I know that that can be a big problem for taller riders, so even if your frame is legal, your position might not be.

blorg · 02-10-2009 3:27pm

Home:Ballyhoura wrote: »

P.S. Would something like a Dolan Aria or Planet X Stealth be anywhere near the state of being declared illegal?

Planet X Stealth is too crap to be anywhere near being illegal /tunney

I believe that most of the stuff that was previously used in UCI competition "becoming" illegal is due to the enforcing of the 3:1 cross section rule although there are other rules in there too (for example if you have a double section handlebar it must be impossible for the cyclist to rest their arms on the lower bar.)

You can still use all this stuff in triathlons I believe.

tunney · 02-10-2009 3:27pm

No link yet, its rumours coming out of meetings and from sources from manufacturers.

So yes I should have mentioned not confirmed but it looks like anything with a curved seatpost and or the shiv style nose cone will be out.

Chips Lovell · 02-10-2009 3:29pm

There's a thread on a triathlon forum about it. It's a "friend of a friend heard" kind of thing.

tunney · 02-10-2009 3:37pm

el tonto wrote: »

There's a thread on a triathlon forum about it. It's a "friend of a friend heard" kind of thing.

Aye - but given that forum generally has Gerard Vroom and the likes posting regular its more often than not right.

Plus it was obvious that the Shiv-style nosecones were on the way out and that the P3 had issues with the 3:1 rule.

Yes a little "Friday style" over dramatic on my behalf but hey

Lumen · 02-10-2009 3:46pm

tunney wrote: »

Yes a little "Friday style" over dramatic on my behalf but hey

I just smashed up my Cervelo P4 with a sledgehammer. Are you telling me I shouldn't have? WTF?

tunney · 02-10-2009 3:47pm

Lumen wrote: »

I just smashed up my Cervelo P4 with a sledgehammer. Are you telling me I shouldn't have? WTF?

my bad

tunney · 02-10-2009 3:51pm

The Shiv in action.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cKd3KrIBOs

Would love one

Diarmuid · 02-10-2009 3:56pm

all illegal bikes will be taken and disposed for you, at no charge!
You're welcome

RobFowl · 02-10-2009 4:22pm

Presume this is another UCI led stoke of genius and you short short wearing types are exempt

billy.fish · 02-10-2009 4:45pm

tunney wrote: »

The Shiv in action.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cKd3KrIBOs

Would love one

mmmmmm RTC shifters tasty.

billy.fish · 02-10-2009 4:46pm

On a totaly unrealated note, i've also heard some rumours that discs are going to become legal for cyclocross in the near future.

Now makes me wonder if i should buy my new frame or not!

Lumen · 02-10-2009 4:47pm

billy.fish wrote: »

Now makes me wonder if i should buy my new frame or not!

New frame? Spill!

billy.fish · 02-10-2009 5:45pm

I will totaly deny any rumours that i am buying a carbon cross frame.

Definitly not a Mud-x...nope...not at all

blorg · 02-10-2009 6:32pm

billy.fish wrote: »

On a totaly unrealated note, i've also heard some rumours that discs are going to become legal for cyclocross in the near future.

Now makes me wonder if i should buy my new frame or not!

I read this and actually thought "why would anyone want to use a disc wheel in a cyclocross race"

I actually have a frame that is disc compatible but have mini-Vs on it at the moment... Planning on swapping them for Tektro wide-profile cantis.

billy.fish · 02-10-2009 6:42pm

blorg wrote: »

I read this and actually thought "why would anyone want to use a disc wheel in a cyclocross race"

I actually have a frame that is disc compatible but have mini-Vs on it at the moment... Planning on swapping them for Tektro wide-profile cantis.

My cross bike (nearl wrote other there) has disc mounts UJC, its going to get converted over perminantly to disc's soon. It shall become my 3 peaks bike

a specific bike for one race....unreal

cosman9373 · 02-10-2009 6:56pm

does anyone know if Zipp vuka bars are legal or not??

velo.2010 · 02-10-2009 7:15pm

There'll be some folk in Wisconsin going 'Yee Haa' if this is true. Trek made a point with their new design this year. Odd looking but effective and LEGAL.

If this ban on curvy tubes and >3:1 tubing goes ahead I would expect the bike companies to recieve something in return. Perhaps a lower weight limit? No limits to gear ratios?

billy.fish · 02-10-2009 7:30pm

velo.2010 wrote: »

There'll be some folk in Wisconsin going 'Yee Haa' if this is true. Trek made a point with their new design this year. Odd looking but effective and LEGAL.

If this ban on curvy tubes and >3:1 tubing goes ahead I would expect the bike companies to recieve something in return. Perhaps a lower weight limit? No limits to gear ratios?

Something in return?

Are you being very very cynical?

The UCI dont give a flying flip about bike companies, let alone the progression of cycling.

velo.2010 · 02-10-2009 8:31pm

Cynical/Not Cynical The way sponsors are pulling out of the sport it will be the bikes companies on their own! The UCI needs them more than they need the UCI. They wiil eventually have to budge on this issue.

Arguements like safety/pricing dont hold water anymore. Iban Mayo was using a near limit Orbea in 2003. Remember Armstrongs Plata Negra Madone that was just under limit in 2004? The companies have had 5 or 6 years to make them safety compliant. They are safe.

Pricing, well no one wants spend E20000 on a new 6.2kg or 6.5kg limit bike but hey the mid range bikes today are as good if not better than anything the pros have ridden in the last ten years. So that arguement no longer holds up.

The performance issue. Well the rate of techno improvement should mean were at all time highs for average speed. Were not, because it has been DOPING that has defined performance levels for the last 20 years and only recently have authorities managed to get some sort of grip on it.

So the UCI have a decision to make. Personally I wouldnt want to go too low if at all but if these TT bans are enforced we could see movement on this one issue all bike companies are agreed on. I could ride with that!

TT bikes - is yours now illegal

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