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FlutterinBantam

Every time I turn on the radio or read my paper all I seem to hear or read about are fcuking well paid gimps complaining.

Now fair enough you might say, but don't start using children or patients welfare to justify your greed.

Teachers are whining about the effect of pay cuts on "the children" when in fact it's themselves they are concerned about.If you are that concerned about "the children" take a pay cut.

Likewise nurses and doctors and consultants, who the fook do you think you are kidding?
It's yourselves you are concerned and your well paid and well pensioned lifestyle,not the focking patients.

All the unions want to do is talk, for how focking long? Another five years while the country goes down the plughole?Five years shuffling from one meeting to another going round in circles?

Get on with what you are paid to do,and paid fcuking well, and stop trying to fool John Q Taxpayer with that "concern" nonsense.

Wake up!

antodeco

In fairness, most doctors and nurses (public sector) have really tough jobs with exceptionally tough hours. Yes, I know they chose that career route to go down, but still. The people who I think should get best paid for their jobs are nurses, doctors and firemen. They do save peoples lives. They work in tough conditions, and have a lot to put up with.

Personally, if I was told that I have to work in a hazardous/dangerous environment and very long hours, I would look for more money. Teachers, nah, dont really deserve it.

Warfi

Every time I turn on the radio or read my paper all I seem to hear or read about are, to quote, 'fcuking gimps' complaining about people who are getting paid for doing their jobs.

Change the record

Dyr

Poor old FB, Must be hard to be a Fianna Failure at the moment

Pace2008

A sterile rant about public sector professionals on AH, now there's a new one.

BrianD3

So wealthy private sector tossers don't think of themselves? Funny how they always advocate slashing the public service while at the same time saying that taxation should be maintained/reduced rather than raised. And all of that for the "good of the economy for the sake of our children". Translation: let someone else take the pain because I don't want to pay a cent more in tax.

walshb

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Every time I turn on the radio or read my paper all I seem to hear or read about are fcuking well paid gimps complaining.

Now fair enough you might say, but don't start using children or patients welfare to justify your greed.

Teachers are whining about the effect of pay cuts on "the children" when in fact it's themselves they are concerned about.If you are that concerned about "the children" take a pay cut.

Likewise nurses and doctors and consultants, who the fook do you think you are kidding?
It's yourselves you are concerned and your well paid and well pensioned lifestyle,not the focking patients.

All the unions want to do is talk, for how focking long? Another five years while the country goes down the plughole?Five years shuffling from one meeting to another going round in circles?

Get on with what you are paid to do,and paid fcuking well, and stop trying to fool John Q Taxpayer with that "concern" nonsense.

Wake up!

I have to agree, the vast majority couldn't give a flying fook about the patients or children, it's the money in their pockets that isn driving their anger. I am not saying they don't care for their patients and want to help them etc, but when the issue of money arises, it's self interest and they then use the patient of child as a bargaining tool; it doesn't fool me

sbsquarepants

I'm a little bit sick and tired of people going on about how hard doctors and nurses have it, i'm sure they're both quite demanding jobs in their own ways and all that and should be reasonably well rewarded, my problem with them is this - in the 10 or so times i've been to a&e over the years i see the undeniable ques of people waiting on trolleys and what not, i've been one of them a couple of times, but i've also seen doctors, nurses, orderlies and every other make and model of HSE employee sauntering around, yapping to their mates and generally scratching their arses. I've rarely seen anybody exert themselves and certainly never to the degree that they whine on about. We all know we need doctors and we need nurses, we also need good ones so we need to pay well to attract them, but all we have here is an overstaffed, overpaid gravy train full of whingers who know full well there jobs are among the most secure in the developed world, so shut up whinging and get on with it and maybe a bit less arse scratching would get those ques down too! You would never see a bloody macdonalds run in such an inefficient manner, why on earth should a hospital be?

TheZohanS

BrianD3 wrote: »

So wealthy private sector tossers don't think of themselves? Funny how they always advocate slashing the public service while at the same time saying that taxation should be maintained/reduced rather than raised. And all of that for the "good of the economy for the sake of our children". Translation: let someone else take the pain because I don't want to pay a cent more in tax.

It's the private sector that creates the wealth, the public sector spends it.

A lot of the private sector tossers and finding it hard to make the money so the angelic public sector workers will have enough money to spend.

Cutbacks are needed in the Public Sector, they have to happen until our economy gets back on its feet and the States borrowing gets back under control.

I'd rather see Public Sector workers suffer a 10% pay cut than lose their job. I'd rather see Public Sector workers suffer a 10% pay cut than have to close more hospital wards.

In the Private Sector any worker can lose their job at any time, and I'm sure if you ask any Private Sector worker that's been made redundant if they would have preferred a 10% pay reduction to no job they would have said YES.

ejmaztec

It makes a change for FB to post about the big sh1ts.

paperclip2

My name is Paperclip2 and I'm a public service worker.

Now the confession is out of the way I'll give you a run down on my typical work. I work in a frontline service that directs people into further and higher education and training. There are three distinct jobs outlined for these kinds of services but we have only ever been in a position to fill two of them. We work on a one-to-one and group basis with adult and further education students as well as provide tailored information packs to the general public. And for the record its not FAS .

Since March, thanks to the moratorium, I alone have been covering every aspect of the work of the service. All guidance, all information provision, all research and all admin. The demand for our service has increased stratospherically given the current climate. Govt guidelines would say that I should be seeing no more than 15-18 one to-one clients per week. Yesterday alone I saw 9, had two case conferences and worked with one group of 28 people. FAS and the DFSA account for 40% of the referrals to our service. I provide outreach services to two further education centres, two jobsclubs and all community and adult education projects run by the local VEC and partnership company, as well as having a remit to provide tailored educational information to the adult population of the county who are aged 18 and not currently in full-time education. On a some weeks total beneficiaries of our service can number over 70 people. The follow-up is a bit of a bitch some times.

Now heres the kicker. Our budget has the money in it to hire someone to help out. To do some of the admin etc, but that cant happen because of the moratorium. So in november, I will be having to spend tax-payers money on utterly non-essential rubbish just to ensure that we retain our exisiting budget for the coming year. How does that make sense? This is just one of the examples of the stupidity endemic in the current management of this country.

Hey but at least for now I have a job. :rolleyes: But thats dependent on the money not running out for this project. I'm not nicely permanent and pensionable, nor am I alone in this. There are plenty of Public Service workers also living under the threat of job loss because of the times we are in.To be honest I could live with a pay cut if I could trust that money it saved would be used effectively but I'm pretty damn sure that right now it wont.

My husband works in the private sector. Recently his pay was cut by 25% with no negotiation. His bosses justified this by saying they had taken a reduction too; they were down by 16% in their bonuses, poor things. :rolleyes: Financial inequity it seems is not just rife in the public sector.

Hail 2 Da Chimp

walshb wrote: »

I have to agree, the vast majority couldn't give a flying fook about the patients or children, it's the money in their pockets that isn driving their anger. I am not saying they don't care for their patients and want to help them etc, but when the issue of money arises, it's self interest and they then use the patient of child as a bargaining tool; it doesn't fool me

So you expect them to work for free. I mean if you were working in A&E and had to care for some scumbag who's OD'd on heroin again, píssed / crapped themselves, how much of an interest are you going to take in that patient.
Then you're told, through no fault of your own, you have to take a massive paycut... Would patient care be your first concern?
OK maybe you wouldn't just walk out of your job there and then but it would make you regret going into work every day...

Nurses, Firemen, etc.. get a lot of stick for being greedy and only concerned with themselves but the fact is the whole public sector is top heavy and the people on the bottom are getting shafted as usual.

Puddleduck

Hail 2 Da Chimp wrote: »

So you expect them to work for free. I mean if you were working in A&E and had to care for some scumbag who's OD'd on heroin again, píssed / crapped themselves, how much of an interest are you going to take in that patient.
Then you're told, through no fault of your own, you have to take a massive paycut... Would patient care be your first concern?
OK maybe you wouldn't just walk out of your job there and then but it would make you regret going into work every day...

Nurses, Firemen, etc.. get a lot of stick for being greedy and only concerned with themselves but the fact is the whole public sector is top heavy and the people on the bottom are getting shafted as usual.

I regret going into work every day but a jobs a job regardless of what you do. We all need money, pissing and moaning about earning less money while still earning a very decent wage is rediculous.

Long Onion

paperclip2 wrote: »

My name is Paperclip2 and I'm a public service worker.

Now the confession is out of the way I'll give you a run down on my typical work. I work in a frontline service that directs people into further and higher education and training. There are three distinct jobs outlined for these kinds of services but we have only ever been in a position to fill two of them. We work on a one-to-one and group basis with adult and further education students as well as provide tailored information packs to the general public. And for the record its not FAS .

Since March, thanks to the moratorium, I alone have been covering every aspect of the work of the service. All guidance, all information provision, all research and all admin. The demand for our service has increased stratospherically given the current climate. Govt guidelines would say that I should be seeing no more than 15-18 one to-one clients per week. Yesterday alone I saw 9, had two case conferences and worked with one group of 28 people. FAS and the DFSA account for 40% of the referrals to our service. I provide outreach services to two further education centres, two jobsclubs and all community and adult education projects run by the local VEC and partnership company, as well as having a remit to provide tailored educational information to the adult population of the county who are aged 18 and not currently in full-time education. On a some weeks total beneficiaries of our service can number over 70 people. The follow-up is a bit of a bitch some times.

Now heres the kicker. Our budget has the money in it to hire someone to help out. To do some of the admin etc, but that cant happen because of the moratorium. So in november, I will be having to spend tax-payers money on utterly non-essential rubbish just to ensure that we retain our exisiting budget for the coming year. How does that make sense? This is just one of the examples of the stupidity endemic in the current management of this country.

Hey but at least for now I have a job. :rolleyes: But thats dependent on the money not running out for this project. I'm not nicely permanent and pensionable, nor am I alone in this. There are plenty of Public Service workers also living under the threat of job loss because of the times we are in.To be honest I could live with a pay cut if I could trust that money it saved would be used effectively but I'm pretty damn sure that right now it wont.

My husband works in the private sector. Recently his pay was cut by 25% with no negotiation. His bosses justified this by saying they had taken a reduction too; they were down by 16% in their bonuses, poor things. :rolleyes: Financial inequity it seems is not just rife in the public sector.

I think it's bang out of order to openly admit to spending tax payers money on useless rubbish just to keep a budget. If all depts stopped this crap, the budgets could be better allocated next time around. I am sure that you personally are hard working (when not on Boards;)) but your managers are obviously incapable.

By persuing this plan you just help paint yourself in a bad light when the stories come out about such a group spent €100k of taxpayers cash on luminous paperclips etc. etc. If you can't spend it, give it back.

Warfi

Long Onion wrote: »

I think it's bang out of order to openly admit to spending tax payers money on useless rubbish just to keep a budget. If all depts stopped this crap, the budgets could be better allocated next time around. I am sure that you personally are hard working (when not on Boards;)) but your managers are obviously incapable.

By persuing this plan you just help paint yourself in a bad light when the stories come out about such a group spent €100k of taxpayers cash on luminous paperclips etc. etc. If you can't spend it, give it back.

I'd say the reason paperclip2 (or any other public workers) wouldn't give the money back would be because of the possibility of losing his/her job as a result. I know I wouldn't.

Would you give the money back if you knew that down the line it would lead you to losing your job?

Wossack

paperclip2 wrote: »

My name is Paperclip2 and I'm a public service worker.

had ta stop right there - public sector and on boards at 11:30? :pac:

Warfi

Wossack wrote: »

had ta stop right there - public sector and on boards at 11:30? :pac:

You're right, public sector workers are paid to work 24 hours a day, 365 days of the year, even when sick .

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Won't someone think of the Children? (H. Lovejoy, Springfield, USA, 2003)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh2sWSVRrmo

Kipperhell

After working in the public sector for a while all I can say is some are over paid wasters and some are underpaid hard workers. The majority have a large chip on their shoulders when it comes to work. A private company could not function with the waste PS have.

Considering the SIPTU offices use contract cleaners they are hypocrites.

I worked on part of a software system where the software was made have less functionality in order to keep a position open rather than just improve the process. Saw this once in the private sector but they were only doing so for a year and had it so it was configurable once the person in question retired.

My wife works for a state agency so if there are cuts I am likely to feel the effects. My wife works very hard and has a stressful job so she doesn't think she should get a cut and while I support her there needs to be reform.

Warfi

Kipperhell wrote: »

After working in the public sector for a while all I can say is some are over paid wasters and some are underpaid hard workers. The majority have a large chip on their shoulders when it comes to work. A private company could not function with the waste PS have.

Considering the SIPTU offices use contract cleaners they are hypocrites.

I worked on part of a software system where the software was made have less functionality in order to keep a position open rather than just improve the process. Saw this once in the private sector but they were only doing so for a year and had it so it was configurable once the person in question retired.

My wife works for a state agency so if there are cuts I am likely to feel the effects. My wife works very hard and has a stressful job so she doesn't think she should get a cut and while I support her there needs to be reform.

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paperclip2

Long Onion wrote: »

I think it's bang out of order to openly admit to spending tax payers money on useless rubbish just to keep a budget. If all depts stopped this crap, the budgets could be better allocated next time around. I am sure that you personally are hard working (when not on Boards;)) but your managers are obviously incapable.

By persuing this plan you just help paint yourself in a bad light when the stories come out about such a group spent €100k of taxpayers cash on luminous paperclips etc. etc. If you can't spend it, give it back.

I can spend it if I was given the freedom to spend it on what we actually need i.e. staff resources which would result in an increase in productivity.
If this money is unspent then the budget is reduced by that amount the following year and we will not be able to provide the requisite level of service.

If I do not spend it I will be held accountable by my line managers, there will be no kudos for having handed it back. Just vilification for not utilising it creatively. What would you do?

Wossack wrote: »

had ta stop right there - public sector and on boards at 11:30? :pac:

And? So far today I have submitted three reports, updated a month and a half of client data and responded to four client queries, two email and two on the phone. I have arranged a further three one-to-one appointments and secured personal counselling services for another two people. I feel no guilt at being on Boards at any time because I am just that fooking good at what I do.

Long Onion

Warfi wrote: »

I'd say the reason paperclip2 (or any other public workers) wouldn't give the money back would be because of the possibility of losing his/her job as a result. I know I wouldn't.

Would you give the money back if you knew that down the line it would lead you to losing your job?

Yes of course, the only way to ensure you keep your job in the public sector is to spend taxpayers money on useless unnecessary crap. Hell if you do it well enough they'll even let you retire early with an enhanced pension, boosted ex-gratia and a car.

Warfi

Long Onion wrote: »

Yes of course, the only way to ensure you keep your job in the public sector is to spend taxpayers money on useless unnecessary crap. Hell if you do it well enough they'll even let you retire early with an enhanced pension, boosted ex-gratia and a car.

Most workers, private or public, are very good at what they do. They also have bills to pay. I don't think they're trying to hatch a grand plan to cheat taxpayers of money. So, literally down to the brass tacks, would you give money back if you knew it would lead yout to losing your job somewhere down the line?

orourkeda

Warfi wrote: »

Every time I turn on the radio or read my paper all I seem to hear or read about are, to quote, 'fcuking gimps' complaining about people who are getting paid for doing their jobs.

Change the record

What record do you play?

Long Onion

paperclip2 wrote: »

I can spend it if I was given the freedom to spend it on what we actually need i.e. staff resources which would result in an increase in productivity.

You are spending it - on crap you said so yourself.

paperclip2 wrote: »

If this money is unspent then the budget is reduced by that amount the following year and we will not be able to provide the requisite level of service.

You can obviously provide the requisite level of service without it if you are reduced to spending it on crap just to get rid of it. This also means that you were given too much this year.

paperclip2 wrote: »

If I do not spend it I will be held accountable by my line managers, there will be no kudos for having handed it back. Just vilification for not utilising it creatively. What would you do?

You line managers are immoral and bad at their jobs, doing the right thing should not be motivated by kudos. I would give it back, hope that my peers would do the same and thank myself for avoiding an increased levy/salary cut

paperclip2 wrote: »

And? So far today I have submitted three reports, updated a month and a half of client data and responded to four client queries, two email and two on the phone. I have arranged a further three one-to-one appointments and secured personal counselling services for another two people. I feel no guilt at being on Boards at any time because I am just that fooking good at what I do.

You could have done more - P.S. you are still online, do you really need an assistant?

Long Onion

Warfi wrote: »

Most workers, private or public, are very good at what they do. They also have bills to pay. I don't think they're trying to hatch a grand plan to cheat taxpayers of money. So, literally down to the brass tacks, would you give money back if you knew it would lead yout to losing your job somewhere down the line?

Generalisation in the extreme - many of my colleagues are not particularly gifted at what they do, nor are they motivated to better themselves, many will admit this.

As to your point about the job loss, I never said that it was a scheme to waste taxpayers money, it's jus irresponsible strategy borne from being self serving. If all depts returned unused funding, they would get the correct amount the following year, the underfunded depts would get an increase and there may not have been a levy imposed. If you are reduced to squandering it on crap, you didn't need it in the first place. Spending it just to get more next year is plain greed.

Warfi

orourkeda wrote: »

What record do you play?

I don't play the record, our wonderful government plays it (and plays us people against each other quite efficiently too, I must say)

frman

paperclip2 wrote: »

My name is Paperclip2 and I'm a public service worker.

Govt guidelines would say that I should be seeing no more than 15-18 one to-one clients per week. Yesterday alone I saw 9, ..................

.....................So in november, I will be having to spend tax-payers money on utterly non-essential rubbish just to ensure that we retain our exisiting budget for the coming year.

Why do Govt guidelines say 15-18 per week when you are capable of seeing 9 in one day ?

Also, Don't waste the money. Why is it deemed essential that you retain the existing budget next year when you don't have to spend it this year ?
Save money ffs and the cuts might just be less.

Warfi

Long Onion wrote: »

Generalisation in the extreme - many of my colleagues are not particularly gifted at what they do, nor are they motivated to better themselves, many will admit this.

As to your point about the job loss, I never said that it was a scheme to waste taxpayers money, it's jus irresponsible strategy borne from being self serving. If all depts returned unused funding, they would get the correct amount the following year, the underfunded depts would get an increase and there may not have been a levy imposed. If you are reduced to squandering it on crap, you didn't need it in the first place. Spending it just to get more next year is plain greed.

I think the people I work with are fantastic....maybe you should change your job, or your outlook.

You still haven't answered what you would do if your job was on the line. Are you expecting public sector workers to be martyrs?

Puddleduck

Warfi wrote: »

I think the people I work with are fantastic....maybe you should change your job, or your outlook.

You still haven't answered what you would do if your job was on the line. Are you expecting public sector workers to be martyrs?

I dont get how they are martyrs? By artifically expanding their annual budget theyre keeping the money from another department. If a person sits there all day and does nothing at all and is paid for it then yes, they should bring it up and be reasigned. If they have a budget of 5k for stationary and are only spending 3 of it, why should they keep doing it?

Warfi

Long Onion wrote: »

You line managers are immoral and bad at their jobs, doing the right thing should not be motivated by kudos. I would give it back, hope that my peers would do the same and thank myself for avoiding an increased levy/salary cut

Sorry, just saw this answer.

Well then, you're a better person than I!