Great Interview with Marius Bakken

tergat

RML: Let's start with your marathon training plan. Tell me briefly about it. What differentiates it from the thousands of other books and plans flooding the market out there? Why would someone want to start it and choose it over another program?





Bakken: I originally started this plan back in 2005. When I was preparing for the World Champs in Helsinki, a friend of mine approached me. He had booked the ticket and lodging for the NYC Marathon, but had done very little training for it. So I wrote him a plan based on Kenyan intensity variations and Italian periodization. It worked extremely well. In fact, he went from being a casual jogger in his first marathon to a 2:56 with this plan. Since then, I've used it with a number of other runners across practically all levels. Because it has clear periodization and plans around the way intensity is done, it gives the runner better results. Now, it’s worth noting that the plan works for 2:30-40 marathoners and upwards. For faster times, you'll have to do take a whole lot more individual things into account. What most marathon programs for the "average" marathoner do today is to start of with specialized long marathon sessions almost from day one. This increases the risk of injury while at the same time causing the runners to level off their performance after about 6-8 weeks. With a much more clear periodization and progression you can instead continue to improve over 15-18 weeks, like most elite runners do. So the plan basically applies the top marathoning principles to the average runner.





RML: What do you mean by Kenyan intensity variations? What are these?





Bakken: I noticed this the first time I went down to Kenya. I did quite extensive testing on the Kenyan runners there and to my big surprise they almost all seemed to run at almost exactly the same intensity for their workouts. Bear in mind that this is without a watch and without a heart rate monitor. I checked this using lactate acid blood samples from their fingers. From a 13:30 5K runner down to mid-12:50s. And they were all running right around the anaerobic threshold (that term is correctly no longer used as much as a scientific term - but I am referring to it here as more of an intensity level). Back in Norway, I did the same on Norwegian runners and they were all over the place. This intensity is right around 86-87% of maximum heart rate, with variation from around 80 up to around 88.





RML Interesting. So what were they doing that made them so consistent?





Bakken: You cannot get around raising your anaerobic threshold pace (pace at around 87 % of max HR) if you want to run fast, no matter what level you are at. And one of the most effective ways of doing this is training right around that intensity. But you also need to be running below this and above this. The point is that at any time in your training cycle, you must KNOW where this pace is (in terms of speed) and never get too far away from it. I tend to say that during winter training, it is a matter of knowing how much of this work you can do without letting too much of the muscular training/speed/float at higher speed suffer. You need both. In the summer however, it is the opposite, it is a matter of how little of this work you can do without going too much down at your anaerobic threshold speed. Either way, you need this as a reference.





RML: How did the Kenyans figure this out and the Norwegians (or other non-Africans) not? What went wrong with Norwegian training along the way?





Bakken: Couple of things I think. I don't think the Kenyans actually figured it out - they just felt it naturally. One thing is the altitude. At altitude, it is easier to feel the difference when you start going a bit over 87-88 % of max HR. So it is easier to distinguish. Another factor is that Kenyan runners have a different way of looking at things: Instead of "no pain, no gain," it’s, "You have to work hard, but not against your body. You have to work with it." I guess it is a combination of those things.





RML: Interesting point. So would you say Kenyans/East Africans know the right intensity and know when to back off, but that, generally speaking, non-Kenyans tend to believe that the harder things are, the better it is for the body and so maximize the hard workouts as much as possible?





Bakken: It certainly seems this way. I've trained a year in Kenya in total, spread over 15-20 stays in addition to a year in high school (York) and college (Indiana University). Beyond a doubt, the intensity level on average was higher in the U.S. But the mileage much higher in Kenya of course.





RML: Now to the second part of your program: You talk about Italian periodization. Why do you talk about periodization specific to a country? I thought Lydiard mastered periodization and used it to with great success for the athletes he coached—-athletes like [Lasse] Viren and of course New Zealanders. Why did you choose the term “Italian periodization?” Is that different than Lydiard-esque periodization?





Bakken: If you look at Italian "school" of marathon training, they seem to cycle the training in a different way. In the Lydiard approach, it’s high mileage first, then faster, then tapering. In the Italian way, they introduce some faster 5K/10K training earlier in the cycle before going up to half-marathon-specific work and then not too many weeks with marathon-specific workouts. This is a general way of looking at it. To me, and from the results I'm seeing with the average runner taking this approach works a lot better.





RML Can any of your principles apply to non-marathoners? How about a person training specifically for the 5K or a 10K?





Bakken: To a certain degree, probably. My philosophy for the 5K is a bit different, though. I still believe in cycling the training, but when you are training for the 5K, you must never get too far away from a little bit of speed work even though you are constantly trying to raise your anaerobic threshold. So it's more of a constant mix of different training stress that matters.





RML: I want to stay on that topic. Is there any high-level advice you can give to someone who's training for a marathon and doesn't have access to the science—the blood testing, the HR monitors etc.? How can someone know during a workout that they are training and not straining; that it's ok not to experience that certain level of pain?





Bakken: The best is to use a heart rate monitor. Though not 100 % accurate, it will still do for most.





RML: What happens if I can't afford one or that chest strap thing drives me crazy. Can I get by doing the finger-to-the-neck method after the workout?





Bakken: It’s hard to rely entirely on how you feel if you want optimum performance. I've done over 6000 lactate tests and it was still a great help all the way. You can run on how you feel, but you want some kind of control at least for parts of the training. But it is all a matter of how thorough you want to do things to perform the best.





RML: I'd like to change gears now, literally. Is it true that your program advocates walking?





Bakken: Yes, it does. But keep in mind that this is for 2:45 to 5:00 marathoner. You can discuss the use of this for faster runners. There are pros and cons. But for the slower runners, this benefit is huge. You can get in loads of duration in there - and mechanical-type stress without risking injuries. And it seems that combined with high-intensity interval work (and some core marathon workouts) the combination gives the runners what they need for the last 10-15K of the marathon. But let me make an important disclaimer: I’m not just prescribing walking; I’m talking mixed running and walking. And only for the long-duration work (up to 3:30, where you run 70 %, walk 30 % - for example 7 min run, 3 min walk, 3 min run, 1 min walk)





RML: So you aren't advocating walking during the actual marathon--Gallowalking, as they call it? You are saying only walk in training, correct?





Bakken: Correct.





RML: What does walking do for the 2:45 runner and why is it 2:45 and not 2:40 or 2:50? What goes on at 2:45?





Bakken: 2:45 is only referring to the "fastest" program I've written that isn't individualized. When you get down to 2:35+ faster races, you probably have so much running in you already that there isn't the same need. That time is only approximately where I find the benefits.





RML: so walking is a way to safely build up the muscles/tendons/capillary system by minimizing stress to the body. Did I get that right?





Bakken: Not capillary system - only mechanical: tendons and muscles





RML: Why not the capillary system?





Bakken: Well, the total effect of this is likely much more prominent in the long repeat endurance work. In the "walk/runs," the intensity is too low. It will help a bit of course, but that is not the main point of it.





RML: Where did you get the idea about walking? I know the Flying Finns of the 20s---Nurmi etc.--incorporated long walks in the winter. Did you get this idea from that or are other programs/coaches advocating the walking concept and that got your attention. Did you ever walk as part of your training?





Bakken: Just from watching what happens after the 25-30K. I kept seeing that the "endurance" results of the many average runners did not seem to match their finishing times, meaning that they were over-performing in harder workouts and under-performing in the marathon. A 2-hour easy run is simply not enough if you have to be out there for 3:30 on race day. So the walk/runs is an easy way around this. So these runners would break for mechanical reasons and not for endurance reasons.





RML: Are you then advocating over-distance runs or just being out there in training for a longer period than the goal race time?





Bakken: The latter. But for marathoners from 3:30 and down, I also believe in very hard, long sessions leading up to the marathon. Many do these too early in the training though instead of doing only a few at the right time.





RML: So you are saying get out there on the roads for a longer period of time than your goal marathon time. And not go run 43K or 45K in training?





Bakken: About the same time as your goal time if you are 4 hours or faster. If your goal is 5 hours, then 3:30 to 4:00 is enough, yep. And this is only a very few times in a total training cycle--only during the marathon-specific period and only well placed in with the rest of the training.





RML: You come from a nation that just dominates the Nordic skiing world. Cross-country skiing is probably one of the hardest total-body sports there is. All that being said, I have two questions: First, why doesn't Norway produce more top-tier distance runners; does the brutal winters have something to do with that? Second, in your career were you ever pushed into moving out of running and doing cross-country skiing instead?





Bakken: We are a country of 4 million people. In the 2005 World Champion 5K final only three nations had both female and male runners: Kenya, Ethiopia, and Norway. In addition to this, Ingrid Kristiansen had the 5K, 10K, and marathon world record. We have Grete Waitz as well as the 1996 800-meter champ, Vebjørn Rodal. So it isn't too bad for such a small country. To answer your second question: no, never. I used to do lots of cross-country skiing when I was younger, but it is about talent as everything else is. Bjørn Dæhlie and Thomas Alsgård, two of the best Nordic skiers of all time (around 15 Olympic Golds) ran an 800-meter run against each other at the Bislett Games about 10 years ago at the top of their skiing career: they did about 1:57 and 2:00. So it has to do with talent for a sport like everything else. As for the winter running, I have done 100 % of my interval runs on a treadmill the last 10 years. Which is a huge benefit vs. running outdoors, so no problem at all. Plus running on snow is very comfortable and not really a problem - and I did about 50% of my time in Kenya anyways.





RML: Back to the subject of intensity. There's this famous picture of you--I like to reference it a lot--you are flat on your back after a race utterly spent. To me, that is the definition of someone who gave 100% in a race. Can you describe that moment/race?





Bakken: Yes, it is after the World championship 5K final in Edmonton where I finished 9th - and I was in the best shape of my life. I have respect for intensity control during workouts, but I also have a strong mind when it comes to races. I believe in the ability to control yourself in training, but absolutely push yourself to the limits and beyond in races is a key element to success.





RML: Is there any way to teach people that? If someone is holding back a bit in workouts and then is told to give 100% in a race, how are they conditioned mentally to do that?





Bakken: You have to know your internal motivation I think. In addition to that, the better prepared you are, the easier it is to recruit everything in you to get to that state. I believe the body has "internal limits" (read Noakes’ Central Governor) and that training optimal makes those limits the body sets out there stretched. So "mental strength" is built through better physical training as well.





RML: As a competitive runner, before the start of a race, as you were standing there on the start line looking down the track, did you ever say to yourself or think that in, say 13 minutes, you were going to be looking and feeling like that picture? Did you ever fear going through all that suffering?





Bakken: Yes, every time. But you have to look at it as a strength and not as something to fear. You have to build your training well enough so that you know, not think, that you can deal with it. The rational approach is the best.

pgibbo

Intersting article. Have you seen or used any of his training plans tergat? if so, would you rate them and where did you come across them? Cheers.

mithril

tergat wrote: »

Bakken: If you look at Italian "school" of marathon training, they seem to cycle the training in a different way. In the Lydiard approach, it’s high mileage first, then faster, then tapering. In the Italian way, they introduce some faster 5K/10K training earlier in the cycle before going up to half-marathon-specific work and then not too many weeks with marathon-specific workouts. This is a general way of looking at it. To me, and from the results I'm seeing with the average runner taking this approach works a lot better.

I believe P&D and most of the popular marathon training programs work on a Lydiard approach? P&D has worked well for me in the past but always keen to experiment. Are there any programs based on the Italian periodization approach which you can refer me to either on the web or a book?

TFBubendorfer

mithril wrote: »

I believe P&D and most of the popular marathon training programs work on a Lydiard approach? P&D has worked well for me in the past but always keen to experiment. Are there any programs based on the Italian periodization approach which you can refer me to either on the web or a book?

No, P&D do not follow a Lydiard approach. They get most of their ideas from Jack Daniels. I believe JD was Pfitzinger's coach at some stage during his career, but that may be wrong. The Italian periodization approach I presume refers to Renato Canova and Gabriele Rosa.

tergat

pgibbo wrote: »

Intersting article. Have you seen or used any of his training plans tergat? if so, would you rate them and where did you come across them? Cheers.

pgibbo,

I havent seen the plans but you can find info here www.marathon-training-schedule.com. I found his ideas of walking for Marathon runners 3hrs+ a great idea. I have always advocated doing long runs and long runs (with quality inc in them) as the way to go for the marathon. Walking will allow average runners to do this without breaking down from high mileage running.

Tergat

tergat

mithril wrote: »

I believe P&D and most of the popular marathon training programs work on a Lydiard approach? P&D has worked well for me in the past but always keen to experiment. Are there any programs based on the Italian periodization approach which you can refer me to either on the web or a book?

mithril,

In a rush now but will reply later and try and find you some info from my files. Italian marathon school of thought based on Renato Canova and Gabriele Rosa's theories and is very successful.

Tergat

mithril

Thank you. You have at least 2 months at least before I do any serious training again so no rush:)

"it’s high mileage first, then faster, then tapering". Thats what I am basing my comment above on which appears a reasonable description of the P&D schedule. Maybe not derived from Lydiard but appears to suggest a similiar training program.

tergat

mithril wrote: »

Thank you. You have at least 2 months at least before I do any serious training again so no rush:)

"it’s high mileage first, then faster, then tapering". Thats what I am basing my comment above on which appears a reasonable description of the P&D schedule. Maybe not derived from Lydiard but appears to suggest a similiar training program.

mithril,

Next time try getting 5km/10km fir then introduce HM & Mar paced workouts during long workouts and I bet you will improve that PB. See below some Renato Canova Marathon ideas.

Tergat


Marathon Training Methods
by Renato Canova (Italy)
The author of this article is based in Italy and during his more than 20 years experience in coaching the marathon he has produced numerous champions. In 1998 he attended one of the Nairobi RDC’s High Altitude Training Camps as a Coach and Lecturer. The article is reprinted from the bulletin of RDC Nairobi.

BASIC TRAINING
I will begin by skipping over those training methods which, although they have their own importance, we can consider as complementary, and in some cases interchangeable, with other middle distance specialties related to the improvement of muscular efficiency in its various forms. Instead I would like to describe those methods which are able to influence the metabolic bio-energetic systems the most, and how we usually use them in unison.
Essential training points for the marathon are based on two fundamental concepts. One is the increase of the AEROBIC POWER LEVELS, identified more or less by the ANAEROBIC THRESHOLD and its extensive use, so that we are be able to run for a long time at the highest percentage possible.
It’s therefore evident that, even if done at different times, it is absolutely necessary to perform workouts which aim to improve the aerobic capacity and raise the anaerobic threshold value (that of 4 mmol/l of lactate). Following workouts which aim to extend one’s AEROBIC POWER ENDURANCE we can also identify the extensive AEROBIC CAPACITY.
TRAINING AEROBIC CAPACITY
In order to raise the ANAEROBIC THRESHOLD we have to work above the threshold itself, since by only slightly stressing this mechanism we can adapt to a higher level. Therefore during workouts, we should reach paces that go from 5% to 15% beyond race pace (e.g. from 2.55 to 2.45 1Km. for a 2:08 male marathon runner, and from 3.25 to 3.10/Km for a 2:28’ female runner). Then hopefully the central and peripheral components of the aerobic motor will be involved more and more, partially stimulating the production of lactate.
Running faster than the speed that corresponds to 4 mmol/l, we will work a slightly higher percentage of fast twitch fibres (generally speaking FT - type IIa) and can therefore improve the aerobic characteristics of these fibres. This allows the muscles which are involved in running to use greater quantities of oxygen in the same period of time, and this will in turn raise the anaerobic threshold.
At a methodological level, the intensity of the run depends on the total volume of the workouts, or on the total distance covered in each single workout, if they are workouts which are split up. On table 1 some methods and their quantities are indicated, as well as some examples of training aerobic power and elevating levels of anaerobic threshold.
In order of increasing importance, we first consider the FAST CONTINUOUS RUN (or FAST LONG DISTANCE) done at threshold pace for 20 - 40 mins. (7-14 km). Similar objectives are used for the FAST PROGRESSIVE RUN, in which the athlete starts out slow but finishes with a faster pace, influencing in a more massive sense the area above the 4 mmol/1 mark.
METHODS QUANTITY - EXAMPLE (2H.08 M/2H.28’W)

FAST CONTINUOUS RUN
Time: 20’-40’ Speed: 104-107% M.P.R
10km. (29’2920”) 10km. (33’/33’30”)

FAST PROGRESSIVE RUN
Time: 20’-40’ Speed: 102-108% M.P.R
12km. (35’/20”) 10km. (9’05”/8’45”/8’35”)

LONG SPEED VARIATIONS
Distance: 5000/7000m Volume: 15-21 Km Speed: 103-107% R.M
3x5000m. increasing speed (17’15”/17’/16’45”) rec. 3’

MEDIUM SPEED VARIATION
Distance: 3000/5000m Volume: 10-12Km Speed: 105-108% R.M
5000/4000m/3000m.
(14’30”/11’25”/8’20”) rec.3’

SHORT SPEED VARIATIONS
Distance: 100/5000m Volume: 10-12Km Speed:106-110% R.M
10 x 1000m at 2’45” rec. 2’ 5 x 2000 at 6’30” rec.3’ 3000 (8’15”) rec.4’+

MIXED SPEED VARIATIONS
Distance: 400-3000 Total volume:10-12 Speed107-112% R.M
2000 (5’25”) rec. 3 +10x400m (1’02”) rec. 1’8km. even paced with heart rate

CONTINUOUS UPHILL RUN
Distance: 6-10Km Grades: 3%-6% Distance: 6-12
Equal to that of the fast continuous run

COMPETITION
Cross/Road/Track
10.000m track in 28’15”
5.000m track in 15’45”
Table 1.
TRAINING AEROBIC POWER (Methods, - quantities workload examples)
On a practical level, this type of workout is generally done on a Sunday so that it can be substituted at times with cross country or road races. In fact, what could be better for a marathon runner training his aerobic capacity than a 10 or 12 Km. race? This period dedicated to short distance races is obviously related to the marathon distance. We then have different types of CONTINUOUS RUNS WITH VARIATIONS. In this case the intensity of the pace will be determined by the total volume of the workout and the distance to run: Shorter distances have less total volume of the workout and the distance to run, and vice-versa for the longer distance. We then move slowly from the longer variations to the middle and then shorter distance. Due to the increase in speed during these tests we move into the anaerobic area even more, with consequently more lactic acid production and accumulation. Over a period of time the ability to reduce the length and increase the pace during intervals in the different tests means a growing ability to get rid of the lactate that forms, which is an essential stage in the training of AEROBIC POWER ENDURANCE.
Another type of workout that we often do for the development of aerobic capacity and strength resistance is the FAST CONTINUOUS UPHILL RUNS - done at an even pace and in progression. We choose grades that are not excessive (from 3% to 6%) and over a distance of 6 -10 km. Based on what we have seen in the past few years, this type of workout has always given excellent results in all the athletes who have used it, since it combines a muscular and organic physical workout together. It thus represents one of the most accepted workouts for improving aerobic capacity.
Training Aerobic Resistance
If AEROBIC POWER makes up the quality base for marathon runners, AEROBIC RESISTANCE can be considered the quantitative base for this speciality. The continuous increase in the number of kilometres run, be it in the first years of one’s career or those run in a season, is essential for improving the resistance to the aerobic mechanism, i.e. the capability to last longer. It is however important to consider the following:
Once it was thought that running a lot of mileage at a slow pace, ending up with the so called capillarization’ , was an essential passage towards developing quality workouts. Instead, today we believe that running at very slow paces, those slower that the marathon race pace, do not actually mean training to improve aerobic resistance. It is only a general ‘base’ from which one can start to develop workouts for SPECIFIC RESISTANCE or AEROBIC POWER ENDURANCE, muscles and joints to work together for long which have proved to be the real key to middle distance running in the last few years.
It is still important with the young athlete however, to do a fair amount of mileage at low intensity, as they do not as yet have a solid work base. But when we are dealing with highly developed athletes, resistance in terms is a big misunderstanding. With a highly developed athlete, running at a pace 25 - 30% below aerobic threshold (2mmol/I) means that absolutely no resistance is developed.
There are, however, many kilometres the athlete will run at a low intensity, but these will be more concerned with regeneration and are not part of the real resistance workout They are, in fact, what we normally call ‘recovery runs’ and which are placed among those workouts with more particular demands. Another time when the highly developed athlete runs at low intensity, usually far from the special periods when the athlete trains the muscles and joints to work together for long periods of time (up to 3 hours), usually when he is alone so that he can ‘listen to his body’, and concentrate without waste of energy. This a type of workout was considered necessary for Gelindo Bordin (1988 Olympic Champion), Ornella Ferrara (bronze in the ‘95 World these Champs.) and Franca Fiacconi (2nd in New York in ‘96). But it was not favoured by Stefano Baldini (Champion in the half-marathon ’96 and 2nd in London ‘97 with 2:07.57), Giacomo . Leone (NewYork Marathon ‘96 winner), Danilo that Goffi (4th in ‘97 World Champs.) and Maria Curatolo (silver in ‘94 European Champion- ship). This last group are, co-incidentally, runners who were less able to concentrate for long periods. Methods, proportions and respective examples are given in table 2. . The first method examined is the MEDIUM PACED PROGRESSIVE RUN, which is done in a time limit of 1 hr. to 1 hr. 30’ at a speed relative to marathon race pace (M.R.P) which varies from an initial 85% to the final 100%. This workout, good - even if not high in intensity of effort, is done at around the same level as the anaerobic threshold. The ‘medium paced progressive workout’ therefore is an adequate support to workouts of ‘special endurance at marathon race pace’ and are done in the following period.
METHODS QUANTITIY - EXAMPLE (2h.08’M/2h.28’W)

MEDIUM PACED PROGRESSIVE RUN
Time: 1hr-1h.30’ Speed: 85-100% M.P.R
1h.30’ (30’ at 3’30” + 30’ at 3’20” + 30’ at 3’10”)

MEDIUM-FAST PROGRESSIVE RUN
Time: 45’-1h ’Speed: 95-105% M.P.R.
55’ (20’ at 3’40” + 20’ at 3’30” + 15’ at 3’20”)

MEDIUM EVEN PACED CONTINUOUS RUN
Time: 1h 1h 30’ Speed:90% M.P.R
1h.30’ at 3’20”/km1h.30’ at 3’50”km

LONG RESISTANCE RUN
Time 2h.15’-3h. speed: 80% M.P.R.
2h.45’ at 3’45” (44km)2h50’ at 4’15” (40km)

LONG RESISTANCE WITH SHORT VARIATION
Time: 1h.45’-2h.15’
variations: 500-1000m
Base speed: 80% M.P.R.
variations speed 100% M.P.R.
1h even paced +10 x 1’30” rec. 1’30” +30” Even paced

LONG RESISTANCE WITH LONG VARIATION
Time: 1h.45’-2h.15’
Variations:3-7Km
Base Speed: 80% M.P.R.
Variation speed: 100% M.P.R.
30’ even paced +7000/5000/3000m recovery 10’slow paced running +20’/40’ even paced

CONTINUOUS ROLLING HILL RUN
Distance: 18-30Km Grades: 3%-6-%
2h running with 3-4 long and continuous uphill and downhill
Table 2.
TRAINING AEROBIC RESISTANCE
(methods– quantities, workload examples)
If they are done for a reduced amount of time, but at a slightly higher intensity, the running pace is close to that of a fast distance run. Then the workout is modified into a MEDIUM-FAST PACED PROGRESSIVE RUN - which is similar to the medium progressive, but shifting towards more intensity.
With the MEDIUM PACED CONTINUOUS RUN lasting between 1hr and 1hr 30’ and run at an even pace, the athlete has to work more at a high level of his extensive mental concentration. The pace will be approximately 90% of race pace. It is not a difficult workout, but it still has its importance in certain periods.
The so called LONG RESISTANCE RUN (specific for marathon runners), done at a pace equal to 80% of M.R.P., is essential from both the point of view of mental concentration and the adaptation of the muscular structure, tendons and joints to long distance running. It is a workout that the athletes love to do in a natural setting, without any particular controls, and which usually creates a feeling of well being and relaxation for the marathon runner since it is not very difficult to do on a bio-energetic level.
With the intention of preparing the body better to training its resistance to the race pace, it is advisable to do a few trials ahead of time at different distances and varying intensities. This can be done at a similar pace as the ‘LONG RESISTANCE RUN’. in order to stimulate the metabolic and biomechanical components towards running at race pace. This is the purpose of the ‘LONG RUN WITH SHORT OR LONG VARIATIONS’ which are performed for a rather 10mg period of time and which represent a first approach to a special workout inserted in a general context.
Finally, great importance is given to the continuous ‘RUN ON ROLLING HILLS’. These have the purpose of increasing muscular resistance and strength. At the same time this method works the muscle fibres in a more complete way since the type of eccentric muscular contraction that is used in running downhill tends to increase muscle strengthening capabilities.
Training of specific endurance in the Marathon.
‘The Specific Preparatory Stage’ in the strct sense of the phrase lasts for about 6-8 weeks as illustrated in Table 3. In this space of time, which may vary depending on the type of athlete and the type of work done prior to this period, the athlete must intensify the quality of the work previously developed, trying to bring his SPECIFIC ENDURANCE at marathon pace to the highest level.
The concurring development of aerobic capacity and aerobic resistance in the previous phase, must now be finalised. Considering both of these, neither is completely indicative. In fact an elevated aerobic power does not mean that the athlete is able to run a fast race. It will therefore be a matter of developing in the last phase the characteristics of EXTENSIVE AEROBIC POWER (if the athlete starts off from a high anaerobic threshold level) or INTENSIVE AEROBIC ENDURANCE (If the athlete starts from a high level of general resistance).
METHOD QUANTITY - EXAMPLE (2h. 08’ M/2h. 28’W)
MARATHON PACED RYTHM
Distance :18-25km
Half - marathon race At M.P.R.

SPECIFIC EXTENSIVE ENDURANCE
Distance: 19-30km
Systems:Long Repeats (2-7km)(100-102% M.P.R.Rec. 1 km (85 -95% M.P.R
4x5000, at l5’ rec. 1000m at 3’10”/3’15”
3 x 7000m at 24’30’ rec. 1000m at 3’ 48”/3’55”

SPECIFIC INTENSIVE ENDURANCE
Distance: 15-23km System Short Repeats (0.5 - 1 km) (103% MPR) Rec. 0.5-1km (97% M.P.R)
8x1000m at 2’55” rec 1000m at 3’05” (16 km) 20 x 500m at 1’42” rec.
500m at 1’55” (20km)

SPECIFIC ENDURANCE LONG RUN
Distance: 30-35km Speed: 98-100% M.P.R
32KM AT 3’06” (1h 39’)35KM AT 3’40” (2h.08’)

SPECIFC MARATHON PACE BLOCK
Distance:10km (85% M.P.R) +10-15KM (100-103% MPR.)System:Morning workout Repeated in the afternoon
10km at 34’ + 12km at 36’ (AM + PM)
10km at 40’ + 15km at 52’ (AM + PM)
Table 3.
TRAINING SPECIFIC MARATHON ENDURANCE
(methods - quantities, work load examples)
This can be identified, in the end, also under methodological aspects. In short it means, to extend one’s own capacity to withstand a fast race pace.
In this period the term ‘race pace’ becomes of fundamental importance. Everything rotates around this one element: the body must learn to use an even lower quantity of glycogen, so as to give the possibility to last longer at this correct pace.
The first method that we use is ‘MARATHON PACE’. As the name implies, it is the
most specific type of workouts used for acquiring a correct rhythmic sensitivity, which is of utmost importance for improving the initial phase of the race. It is performed at exactly the pace the athlete will use in the marathon, at an exact distance of 12 Km. Participation in a half marathon race run as a ‘passage race’ takes on exactly this meaning.
One of the methods used most in the modern methodology consists of a workout of ‘SPECIFIC EXTENSIVE ENDURANCE’.
This type of workout has today achieved great significance in our methodology. Two such examples are given in the boxes at the bottom of the page.
Usually, in terms of time, the development of ‘specific extensive endurance’ begins with a reduced mileage (e.g. 5 x 3000m with a recovery of l000m for a total of 19 km), and to then extend both the number of repeats (6 x 3000m, - rec. l000m) and the total distance to 23 km) This continues with variations such as (4 x 5000m - rec. 1 000m or 3 x 7000m - rec. 1 000m, ending with 5 x 5000- rec. 1000 m)
A more intense method which we use is the ‘Specific Intensive Endurance’workout. With this type of workout the total distance is slightly reduced, while the pace is much faster. The workouts given below for (1) Stefano Baldini, (2) Giacomo Leone (before winning the New York Marathon) and (3) Maria Curatolo, illustrate this:
1. 10x1000in2mins.53-recoveny
1000 in 3mins. =19 km. in 56mins.
23” (average of 2’58”/km)
2. 6 x 3000m in 9:12, 9:06, 9:01,8:55,
8’49, 842” - rec.l000m in 315”!
3’18’=23km.in l h.10’ 12”
(average of 3’03”/km)
3. 20 x 500 in 139.5”- rec. 500 in 151”
to 1’52” =19 km. in 1:1022”
(average of 3’31”/km)
The ‘Specific Endurance’ workouts make up an extension for aerobic power. On the contrary, the ‘SPECIFIC ENDURANCE LONG RUN’ can be considered an intensive qualification of the aerobic resistance. Before a marathon, this method is not used for more than three workouts, with ample recovery time between each session. In fact, if it is to be utilized correctly, this type of workout requires a well-rested physical condition (it must therefore be done after adequate ‘tapering’ with particular attention paid to recovery. For the analogy at a bio-energetic level with the marathon, it is utilized as a simulation of the race, using all the most important particularities during the race (from the hyper glycogen diet in the last days to getting the athletes used to drinking often). Usually, for ease and comfort we do this test in an actual marathon race.
Not everybody uses the so called ‘SPECIFIC MARATHON PACE BLOCK’, which is a special type of work out in running the first part with a distance of 12 Km. at 85% of race pace. The second part is followed with a 10-15 km run at marathon race pace or slightly above it. This type of workout is repeated twice in the same day (morning and afternoon) which is why it is considered a ‘Specific Block’.
The genetic differences between various athletes and their level of preparation allows them to use different types of ‘Specific Blocks”, depending on the effects it was desired to obtain, either with the extension of aerobic power’ or the ‘aerobic resistance’.
At the top of the next column there are three examples of Specific Blocks which were used with different athletes for different purposes.
Even with variations made according to personal characteristics, it is evident that our concept of specific workout is meant more for ‘extending’ the ability to run at lengths of time at race pace for shorter distances. So, it is the concept of ‘AEROBIC POWER ENDURANCE’ that can be fully applied to the ‘SPECIFIC MARATHON STAGE’
As the race period slowly approaches, we prefer to define the pace that the rest intervals should be run, to bring it as close as possible to race pace as the event approaches, rather than emphasizing a faster pace. This strategy aims at piloting workouts towards ‘SPECIFIC ENDURANCE’.
This type of session has a great importance, apart from helping the metabolic changes, since thy help the athlete to know and feel and then interpret more precisely different paces relative to his own sensations to the different levels of difficulty.
Therefore, they also assume an important technical importance, preparing the athlete for eventual accelerations during the race, either from adversaries or course changes such as uphill, or downhill and favourable or unfavourable wind conditions which he must know how to deal with. He has to learn that he is running at a pace which is faster then what he can handle, and he must be able to make up for it during the race without having to pay for it later.
Rhythm exercises are essential for two basic reasons: one is biomechanical in nature, so that the athlete can find the correct balance between the necessary muscle tension and the most economical technical movement, in order to expend less energy in the action of running. The other is of a bio-energetic nature, since muscle fibres have to adapt themselves to ‘building’ and by best utilizing the optimal fuel by a mix of sugars and fatty acids in order to finish the race without a drop-off in performance.
Some athletes (like Gelindo Bordin and Ornella Ferrara) feel the need to run, at least once in the month that precedes the race, a distance superior to that of the race at a relatively fast pace (92%-94% M.R.P.). Before Seoul, on September 14, 1988, Bordin ran in Tirrenia for 46 km in 2hr. 41’ with the last 10km covered in 31 mins. Similarity, 19 days before Goteborg, Ornella Ferrara did a ‘long run’ of 45km with rolling hills in 2hr. 51’, passing the marathon mark in 2hr. 40’. Also Maria Curatolo, before the Seoul Olympic Games where she came in 8th, did two long runs of 45km. with the first finishing in 2hr. 59’ and the second in 2hr. 56’. This type of workout cannot be considered an habitual method of preparation, and it can not always be used, since often the negative implications are greater than the eventual benefits.
In conclusion, we believe that the objective in marathon training can be summed up in the following points:

Reduced glycogen consumption at race pace.
Increase the speed at which muscle
Lactate is assimilated.
Improve bio-mechanical efficiency and consequent performance.
Prepare body and mind to be able to last for the necessary amount of time at race pace.
To achieve these objectives identified, above, it is necessary, however, to be able to manage well the PERIODIZATION and the strategies for approaching the race.
PERIODIZATION
When we start the preparation for a marathon, we usually set up the workouts following a consolidated scheme that will utilize three differentiated cycles. These cycles take into consideration both the objectives and methods used, depending on whether the athlete has not run a marathon for a long time, or whether he has run one at a good level more recently. In the second case, it will be appropriate to skip over the first cycle, which is of introductory in nature. Usually we can identify three periods (or stages) as follows:
1. GENERAL PREPARATORY STAGE
2. FUNDAMENTAL PREPARATORY STAGE
3. SPECIFIC PREPARATORY STAGE
In the General Stage that lasts from 6-8 weeks we work towards increasing muscle efficiency through running technique exercises and gym sessions. In the sessions we pay particular attention to muscular extendibility and joint movement, and by increasing aerobic resistance through various types of continuous runs, whether they are at slow, medium, or progressively performed pace.
In the Fundamental Stage which lasts from 8-10 weeks we introduce the concept of Aerobic Power Endurance reaching a high volume of mileage, emphasizing lasting muscular efficiency, and beginning the preparation for the distance at a physical and mental level. The ‘internal load’ is observed with more care through clinical controls and field evaluations. We tend to prod the organism with a series of stimuli, often mixed together, to provoke a general reaction on a compensation level. The training does not appear to be too modulated, but consistency and continuity in the workload is important. Often the athlete will reach a general state of fatigue that will prevent muscular freshness, but this is a normal passage during this phase, and should not be considered a sign of poor conditioning or, on the other hand, over training.

mrak

tergat wrote: »

pgibbo,
I found his ideas of walking for Marathon runners 3hrs+ a great idea. I have always advocated doing long runs and long runs (with quality inc in them) as the way to go for the marathon. Walking will allow average runners to do this without breaking down from high mileage running.

Interesting.. I'd tend to agree - last year I used to do my long run on a sat morning and it was usually followed (after porridge) by mowing the grass. I have a pretty big lawn so that was a 2 hour walk - I always felt it was doing me good!

mithril

Thank you for the detailed response. I will try this approach for my next marathon.

meathcountysec

mrak wrote: »

Interesting.. I'd tend to agree - last year I used to do my long run on a sat morning and it was usually followed (after porridge) by mowing the grass. I have a pretty big lawn so that was a 2 hour walk - I always felt it was doing me good!

My lawn is available for training sessions:D

happygoose

Anyone ever download this? I'm interested in the 100 day training plan, I might buy, at €34 its a bit pricey but there's 108 days to go to the Limerick Marathon!

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