PSN deleted my DLC

Dues Bellator

i got mp 1,2, and 3 from my mates system with his log in and password , everthing was fine for about a month when i went to play one day they were gone, so i tought nothing of it , (tought i might of done something stupid after a heavy nightout * previous *)so i got them again, then 4 weeks later same again DELETED so i emailed sony , apparently as i didnt purchase them myself they were illegally obtained , WTF . first up i was given permission, second what gives them the right to steal my software , plus i was told in uncertain terms my account will be deleted if i take this any further , wow im totally shocked , considering half there customers gameshare thats alot of deleted accounts by my reckoning.hurry up with the psn cards thats what i say sony , incompetent idiots,

CombatCow

Im pretty sure it's up to sony/the developer how much you can share out the content, if at all. Im not sure how it works with DLC but psn games usually have a limit of 5 downloads iirc.

Why are you complaining you got it fro free from your mate neway.


CC

DemoniK

Game sharing isn't permitted, and is illegal if your read the not-so-small print.
The 5 PS3s per PSN is to limit gamesharing, but at the same time they realise that defective hardware could cause you to lose your downloads.
Speaking as a ex-YLOD sufferer, having those 5 is a life saver.

Anyways - doubt if they deleted your data. Am guessing you probably deleted the account for your friend with which you downloaded. This effectively deletes the activation key for that game for your PS3 - hence it won't appear in the game. You then need to redownload to get a new activiation key.

AND you told Sony?!?
Fool - kinda walking into a Garda station and admitting doing 200kph in a 50kph zone - you deserve whatever Sony do for being stupid.

Super Sidious

I saw PSN cards on sale in gamestop... only €50 available at the mo I think!

projectmayhem

almanu wrote: »

i got mp 1,2, and 3 from my mates system with his log in and password , everthing was fine for about a month when i went to play one day they were gone, so i tought nothing of it , (tought i might of done something stupid after a heavy nightout * previous *)so i got them again, then 4 weeks later same again DELETED so i emailed sony , apparently as i didnt purchase them myself they were illegally obtained , WTF . first up i was given permission, second what gives them the right to steal my software , plus i was told in uncertain terms my account will be deleted if i take this any further , wow im totally shocked , considering half there customers gameshare thats alot of deleted accounts by my reckoning.hurry up with the psn cards thats what i say sony , incompetent idiots,

First off, calm down on the insults towards Sony. You effectively obtained goods that you didn't pay for from someone elses account. This is tantamount to stealing in the eyes of the law, regardless of whether or not you've gotten permission from your friend or not.

Next up, I'd like to see where you got your stats from. I would imagine the vast, vast majority of PS3 owners DON'T gameshare, and thus why Sony allows it to happen. If 50% of all PSN titles ended up on 5 systems from 1 payment, you can be damn sure they'd shut that idea down because developers would be making diddly squat and only release on the 360.

Second last point, you did not gameshare at all. Most of the time gamesharing is when people swap titles of equal value (so I buy Trine and share with you for something worth €20). What you did was a one-way transaction, which means money didn't exactly swill around PSN.

Final point would be that gamesharing indicates just that - sharing games. Sony have been lenient on it because a lot of the content on PSN is distributed/published by SCE rather then third parties. When you start messing with DLC, that (so far) has been infringing on developers as most DLC is there to claw back development costs. On top of that, DLC is never that expensive, so why not just pay for it and stop moaning?

Rev. Kitchen

First up While Sony may frown on it, its not stealing not in the slightest, It may break terms of use but is no different than me giving my rock band 1 disk to my friend now that i have the songs imported into rockband 2.

They are closing this up a bit now, i know with the last 2 betas i got MAG and Uncharted 2 i downloaded them onto my PS3 then later downloaded them onto my new slim ps3. But when i tried to use them on the slim i was told that i couldnt use them for 24 hours after they where used on the other machine.

still silly to ring sony to complain.

Dues Bellator

WHOAH cool the jets here lads , before i get flamed anymore im not moaning , if what i done WAS illegal how come this isnt made fact , you know like warn people ,also if i was as informed on copyright laws as you seem to be id know what the hell i was doing , as im not you will have to excuse my ignorance , also driving at 120 in a50 zone IS ILLEGAL and very dangerous ,also take your head out of the sand EVERYBODY IS doing it, i just didnt think i was doing any wrong , so chillax

wcarey1975

almanu wrote: »

WHOAH cool the jets here lads , before i get flamed anymore im not moaning , if what i done WAS illegal how come this isnt made fact , you know like warn people ,also if i was as informed on copyright laws as you seem to be id know what the hell i was doing , as im not you will have to excuse my ignorance , also driving at 120 in a50 zone IS ILLEGAL and very dangerous ,also take your head out of the sand EVERYBODY IS doing it, i just didnt think i was doing any wrong , so chillax

Everyone is not doing it as firstly I dont but I have had 3 requests from my 'friends' list asking if they could use my download for MP3 COD5:W@W and have said no to 2 of them and the third I just didnt answer. I wouldn't use somebody elses and I'd expect others to do the same. But as I paid for the addition why should I give others a free ride. It's not the same as giving a lend of a one of your games as in effect there is still only one game and either I play it or he/she plays it. Using someone else's download and sharing means that there can be up to 5 different peolpe using it.

DemoniK

fair enough maybe illegal is a bit strong., but by doing it with paid content you are effectively breaking your terms of service that you agreed to when you signed up.

BUT you were moaning :P
Also - do know of 2 ppl now who have gotten banned for sharing, so be careful.

On speeding thing - I was just trying to make the point, that it was a little silly on your part to admit to Sony. Nothing else...

AND not everyone is doing it, so don't generalise.

Gummy Panda

I wonder do they track my console ID. I have content bought on US store that I use on EU account.

I haven't had any problems yet though it might not being flagged cause only one user is using it.

Dues Bellator

RikD wrote: »

fair enough maybe illegal is a bit strong., but by doing it with paid content you are effectively breaking your terms of service that you agreed to when you signed up.

BUT you were moaning :P
Also - do know of 2 ppl now who have gotten banned for sharing, so be careful.

On speeding thing - I was just trying te pat it was a little silly on your part to admit to Sony. Nothing else..
AND not everyone is doing it, so don't generalise.

ok point taken , well i didnt realize i was doing any wrong so thanks for the headsup. i certainly wont be doing it again, also its about time they pulled the finger out with the psn cards . not everyone has a credit card sony.

Dues Bellator

wcarey1975 wrote: »

Everyone is not doing it as firstly I dont but I have had 3 requests from my 'friends' list asking if they could use my download for MP3 COD5:W@W and have said no to 2 of them and the third I just didnt answer. I wouldn't use somebody elses and I'd expect others to do the same. But as I paid for the addition why should I give others a free ride. It's not the same as giving a lend of a one of your games as in effect there is still only one game and either I play it or he/she plays it. Using someone else's download and sharing means that there can be up to 5 different peolpe using it.

the friend i got them off is a REAL friend if you get my drift, lives around the corner , know him 22 years, i wouldn't give any psn "friends" any sort of details , nor would i have the down right cheek to ask them for theres either .just tought id point that out , thanks

Mossy Monk

I don't game share either. People who send me an online message via the PSN asking annoy me.

almanu wrote: »

also its about time they pulled the finger out with the psn cards . not everyone has a credit card sony.

They are out aren't they?

wcarey1975

almanu wrote: »

the friend i got them off is a REAL friend if you get my drift, lives around the corner , know him 22 years, i wouldn't give any psn "friends" any sort of details , nor would i have the down right cheek to ask them for theres either .just tought id point that out , thanks

No worries was just saying. But just be careful cousin of mine was banned for same, though I did warn him. He never paid for anything and had downloads for dozens of games.. Some people

noodler

I think Game Sharing is great. I am not getting into the moralty of it but it hs actually made me buy more in a way - I buy some stuff my mate dosn't have in order to make sure the transaction is 2-way.

Its something Sony may go FIRMLY against in the future but for now I see it as a grey area and a good way to get around some of the more ridiculous PSN prices.

Varik

just want to ask how do you deactivate a download to get your 5 downloads back
will be changing my hdd and want to do this before i do.

CombatCow

Thats the whole point of it, if you use up the 5 downloads, you will have to pay for it again, you cant get them back.

CC

jomz27

Varik wrote: »

just want to ask how do you deactivate a download to get your 5 downloads back
will be changing my hdd and want to do this before i do.

try this if this will goin to work if you already change ur hdd sign in your psn account the one that you use (when you download your 5 previous thingy) go to psn store and on the top right go to my downloads and it will show up all your previous downloads then click the thing that you want to redownload that's what i did on my uncharted 2 beta...

projectmayhem

almanu wrote: »

WHOAH cool the jets here lads , before i get flamed anymore im not moaning , if what i done WAS illegal how come this isnt made fact , you know like warn people ,also if i was as informed on copyright laws as you seem to be id know what the hell i was doing , as im not you will have to excuse my ignorance , also driving at 120 in a50 zone IS ILLEGAL and very dangerous ,also take your head out of the sand EVERYBODY IS doing it, i just didnt think i was doing any wrong , so chillax

You WERE moaning. And illegal things aren't made fact every time they happen. No one pops up to tell you not to rob that kinder egg in a shop because it's illegal, the same way nothing pops up to say it's illegal to download music from a torrent site.

And everybody ISN'T doing it. I asked a few lads here in front of me and not one even knew you could do it. All are "proper" gamers with launch PS3's. Out of 5 only 1 knew of it.

Because you are doing it and a google search turned up results does not mean everyone is at it. They're not.

Gummy Panda wrote: »

I wonder do they track my console ID. I have content bought on US store that I use on EU account.

I haven't had any problems yet though it might not being flagged cause only one user is using it.

I would imagine they do track console ID's but the fact that you're paying for the content in the first place means you're not exactly high on their priority list...

DemoniK

Varik wrote: »

just want to ask how do you deactivate a download to get your 5 downloads back
will be changing my hdd and want to do this before i do.

You don't need to deactivate when changing HDD - just use the same PSN and PS3 and all is ok.

For future, you can only deactivate a system that you are on. so if you have game shared you will need to ask them to deactivate on their system.

To do so, it's under account management.

Just to be clear - the limit is 5 PS3s per PSN. It is NOT 5 PS3s per game that many think.

Dues Bellator

projectmayhem wrote: »

You WERE moaning. And illegal things aren't made fact every time they happen. No one pops up to tell you not to rob that kinder egg in a shop because it's illegal, the same way nothing pops up to say it's illegal to download music from a torrent site.

And everybody ISN'T doing it. I asked a few lads here in front of me and not one even knew you could do it. All are "proper" gamers with launch PS3's. Out of 5 only 1 knew of it.

Because you are doing it and a google search turned up results does not mean everyone is at it. They're not.


as i said before TAKE YOUR HEAD OUT OF THE SAND , everyone i know and i mean everyone on all my friends lists on all my profiles have done it at some stage, now im not going to get into the similarities of SHOPLIFTING and game sharing , but i think your waaaay of the mark.

Dues Bellator

projectmayhem wrote: »

You WERE moaning. And illegal things aren't made fact every time they happen. No one pops up to tell you not to rob that kinder egg in a shop because it's illegal, the same way nothing pops up to say it's illegal to download music from a torrent site.

And everybody ISN'T doing it. I asked a few lads here in front of me and not one even knew you could do it. All are "proper" gamers with launch PS3's. Out of 5 only 1 knew of it.

Because you are doing it and a google search turned up results does not mean everyone is at it. They're not.



I would imagine they do track console ID's but the fact that you're paying for the content in the first place means you're not exactly high on their priority list...

as i said befor take your head out the sand everyone IS doing it , and your comparison of shoplifting and game sharing is both llaughable and waaay of the mark.eh and dont shops have signs up EVERYWERE shoplifters will be prosecuted , mmmm just tought id leave that with ya

Mossy Monk

almanu wrote: »

as i said befor take your head out the sand everyone IS doing it , and your comparison of shoplifting and game sharing is both llaughable and waaay of the mark.

As people have said in this thread, not everyone gameshares. And obtaining something for free when it costs money is theft. It is you that needs to pull your head out of the sand.

Dues Bellator

Mossy Monk wrote: »

As people have said in this thread, not everyone gameshares. And obtaining something for free when it costs money is theft. It is you that needs to pull your head out of the sand.

if you read the posts leading up to that post , you would understand what i meant , projectmayhem was saying EVRYONE knows it illegal , i didnt , and have since found out its NOT illegal , but a break in terms and conditions , shoplifting pah ,so get your facts right before you jump on the bangwagon , he said it was the same as shoplifting but dont shops have SHOPLIFTERS WILL BE ARRESTED . were does it say that on the playstation store . jeez louise all im saying is if sony frowns apon it (because thats all they can do) why dont they make this obvious ,is an infringement of terms and conditions the same as theft , one last thing if you had 2 ps3s and downloaded content would you pay for it twice as not to upset multinational sony , ill leave that with ya

Mossy Monk

almanu wrote: »

if you read the posts leading up to that post , you would understand what i meant , projectmayhem was saying EVRYONE knows it illegal , i didnt , and have since found out its NOT illegal , but a break in terms and conditions , shoplifting pah ,so get your facts right before you jump on the bangwagon , he said it was the same as shoplifting but dont shops have SHOPLIFTERS WILL BE ARRESTED . were does it say that on the playstation store . jeez louise all im saying is if sony frowns apon it (because thats all they can do) why dont they make this obvious ,is an infringement of terms and conditions the same as theft , one last thing if you had 2 ps3s and downloaded content would you pay for it twice as not to upset multinational sony , ill leave that with ya

You are an angry and non sensical young man.

projectmayhem

almanu wrote: »

projectmayhem was saying EVRYONE knows it illegal

What I said was, precisely: "You effectively obtained goods that you didn't pay for from someone elses account. This is tantamount to stealing "

I did not say that "everyone knows it's illegal".

almanu wrote: »

, i didnt , and have since found out its NOT illegal , but a break in terms and conditions

What do you class a break in terms and conditions or user license then? Just bending the rules, but not enough to be done on a legal case? Does this mean it's fine to download music, movies and software from torrents then, with your new legal discovery?

almanu wrote: »

if sony frowns apon it (because thats all they can do) why dont they make this obvious ,is an infringement of terms and conditions the same as theft

An infringement of terms and conditions is that, a breach of contract you digitally signed/agree'd to at some point, which Sony can pull you up on at a later stage.

The point of downloading content to another machine is that the content isn't tied to a hardware unit, therefore you're not penalised if you buy a new PS3/have one fixed or buy a new hard drive. Sony have said this in the past (consult google). The content is tied to your PSN ID, not your console ID.

almanu wrote: »

one last thing if you had 2 ps3s and downloaded content would you pay for it twice as not to upset multinational sony , ill leave that with ya

That's Sony's point for leaving it open for use. If you own more then 1 unit, or have to get one fixed, etc. etc. etc. you can still have your content. This is why it's limited to 5, as ideally you'll never go through 5 PS3's in your lifetime.

By the way, I'm not having a go at you personally here. I think you've just completely missed the point with your original complaint.

mayordenis

projectmayhem wrote: »

What I said was, precisely: "You effectively obtained goods that you didn't pay for from someone elses account. This is tantamount to stealing "

I did not say that "everyone knows it's illegal".

You should of said that though because it's ****ing true. :pac:

I can't believe anyone is entertianing this drivel anyway, it's beyong belief childish "everyone was doing so I can too" is a child's excuse when he's caught with a cigarette.

here it is plain and simply, you are robbing the develoeprs who make the games you love - they will go out of business and it's your fault and all your cronies on the PSN.

Ignorence is not an excuse - while I doubt they'll delete your account I sincerely hope they do.

Dues Bellator

projectmayhem wrote: »

What I said was, precisely: "You effectively obtained goods that you didn't pay for from someone elses account. This is tantamount to stealing "

I did not say that "everyone knows it's illegal".



What do you class a break in terms and conditions or user license then? Just bending the rules, but not enough to be done on a legal case? Does this mean it's fine to download music, movies and software from torrents then, with your new legal discovery?



An infringement of terms and conditions is that, a breach of contract you digitally signed/agree'd to at some point, which Sony can pull you up on at a later stage.

The point of downloading content to another machine is that the content isn't tied to a hardware unit, therefore you're not penalised if you buy a new PS3/have one fixed or buy a new hard drive. Sony have said this in the past (consult google). The content is tied to your PSN ID, not your console ID.



That's Sony's point for leaving it open for use. If you own more then 1 unit, or have to get one fixed, etc. etc. etc. you can still have your content. This is why it's limited to 5, as ideally you'll never go through 5 PS3's in your lifetime.

By the way, I'm not having a go at you personally here. I think you've just completely missed the point with your original complaint.

i appreciate you going to the trouble to explaining this to me as i honestly didnt think i was doing any wrong . map packs are gone from my account now and i will be buying content with psn cards in future ,being labeled a thief can be quite aggravating when you had no idea you were doing any wrong . as far as i was concerned all i was doing was copying a mates dllc that was already paid for. obvious people feel strongly about this , im sure im not the only one who didnt realise this either.

Kinetic^

mayordenis wrote: »

Ignorence