No Confidence

Nozebleed

reading trough the many threads on the lisbon treaty..it's surprisinig how deeply divided the people of this country are in relation to the document. im not sure anyone on either the yes side or no side actually understands it...there not been a face to face debate by our political leaders and those who are calling for a no vote...i wana see a US presidential style debate..face to face. thrash talk n'all...if cowan and co are right, i wana see them screaming and shouting how right they are..if he's 100% correct in his belief he should be happy going live on air and engaging in a war of words..to protect his people. why has this not happened?
im voting no...why? well anything that could split/divide the country like it has cant be good. Im voting no...as a vote of no confidence in our government. they are out of touch with the people of this country..over paid out of touch.
it dosn't matter what people say about this thread whether they think my vote is right or wrong...there simply has to be change in this country. political reform,law reform and the rest....we should be on the streets protesting..we should have been on the streets ages ago.

oscarBravo

Nozebleed wrote: »

Im voting no...as a vote of no confidence in our government.

While you're at it, you should throw a brick through your own window as a vote of no confidence in the government. In fact, don't just stop at one window: break them all.

That'll show 'em.

ei.sdraob

Nozebleed wrote: »

reading trough the many threads on the lisbon treaty..it's surprisinig how deeply divided the people of this country are in relation to the document. im not sure anyone on either the yes side or no side actually understands it...there not been a face to face debate by our political leaders and those who are calling for a no vote...i wana see a US presidential style debate..face to face. thrash talk n'all...if cowan and co are right, i wana see them screaming and shouting how right they are..if he's 100% correct in his belief he should be happy going live on air and engaging in a war of words..to protect his people. why has this not happened?
im voting no...why? well anything that could split/divide the country like it has cant be good. Im voting no...as a vote of no confidence in our government. they are out of touch with the people of this country..over paid out of touch.
it dosn't matter what people say about this thread whether they think my vote is right or wrong...there simply has to be change in this country. political reform,law reform and the rest....we should be on the streets protesting..we should have been on the streets ages ago.

if you think a NO or a YES vote

would result in a change of government or cause riots

you are only fooling yourself and have no grasp of the matter (despite accusing others of that)

:mad:

The Volt

Nozebleed wrote: »

reading trough the many threads on the lisbon treaty..it's surprisinig how deeply divided the people of this country are in relation to the document. im not sure anyone on either the yes side or no side actually understands it...there not been a face to face debate by our political leaders and those who are calling for a no vote...i wana see a US presidential style debate..face to face. thrash talk n'all...if cowan and co are right, i wana see them screaming and shouting how right they are..if he's 100% correct in his belief he should be happy going live on air and engaging in a war of words..to protect his people. why has this not happened?
im voting no...why? well anything that could split/divide the country like it has cant be good. Im voting no...as a vote of no confidence in our government. they are out of touch with the people of this country..over paid out of touch.
it dosn't matter what people say about this thread whether they think my vote is right or wrong...there simply has to be change in this country. political reform,law reform and the rest....we should be on the streets protesting..we should have been on the streets ages ago.

hence these referenda are illegal in some countries. We shouldn't have to vote on this because it gives a window of oppertunity to the loony left, loony right etc to mess severely with people's minds.

Nozebleed

yep thats it lads...hurl the abuse. that'll teach me. maybe i'll change my mind now? im definately voting no now.

Sam Vimes

Nozebleed wrote: »

why has this not happened?

It has. Not Cowen personally but Micheal Martin has been involved in several televised and radio debates.

The problem with it is that someone on the no side tells a lie and all you can say is "that's not true". It takes 5 seconds to tell a lie but could take half an hour to properly refute it and people get bored. The snappy slogan wins the debate, not the person who's telling the truth

Nozebleed wrote: »

im voting no...why? well anything that could split/divide the country like it has cant be good. Im voting no...as a vote of no confidence in our government. they are out of touch with the people of this country..over paid out of touch.

Will you be voting no on the upcoming children's rights referendum as a vote of no confidence in our government? Or course not because it has nothing to so with them, just like this treaty. This treaty is bigger than petty Irish politics, it will effect the lives of 500 million people and they (and we) should not be denied the benefits this treaty will bring because our politicians are crap.

Nozebleed wrote: »

it dosn't matter what people say about this thread whether they think my vote is right or wrong...there simply has to be change in this country. political reform,law reform and the rest....we should be on the streets protesting..we should have been on the streets ages ago.

And that's what a general election is for. Brian Cowen is doomed regardless of how we vote on this treaty.

oscarBravo

Nozebleed wrote: »

yep thats it lads...hurl the abuse.

Sam Vimes

Nozebleed wrote: »

yep thats it lads...hurl the abuse. that'll teach me. maybe i'll change my mind now? im definately voting no now.

If you voice an opinion and the opinion is ridiculed, I think you should examine whether the opinion is valid. From where we're sitting, a no vote to spite the government will harm the country more than it will harm our politicians. You would be cutting your nose off to spite your face.

And voting no because people on the internet were mean to you is even worse. If anything you should look at the manipulative lies from no campaigners and decide to vote yes to spite them

Rb

Any debate on this treaty involving the two sides will only result in one thing:

The Yes side debunking the bullshit and lies spouted by the No side. It's something worth considering, but the No side have nothing to bring to the table, nothing, so there's no point in debating a treaty that they know nothing factual about, with a group of people who are capable of believing their own lies in the face of the truth.

ei.sdraob

Nozebleed wrote: »

yep thats it lads...hurl the abuse. that'll teach me. maybe i'll change my mind now? im definately voting no now.

if you want to bring down the current government (so do most of us here btw)

go hurl bricks at the Greens, they are the ones keeping FF in power

tho that has nothing to do with Lisbon, the fact that you cant see that is worrying

PopeBuckfastXVI

Nozebleed wrote: »

im definately voting no now.

I like you Nozebleed, you're a fine upstanding gentleman, and I wouldn't have a word said against you. Tis a crying shame of the other posters to treat you the way they have, when you deserve so much better. You're the finest man ever stood on two legs in the whole of Ireland, and I wish you and your progeny every success in future life.

Any chance of an auld, yes vote now, yer honour?

rebelmind

Nozebleed wrote: »

reading trough the many threads on the lisbon treaty..it's surprisinig how deeply divided the people of this country are in relation to the document. im not sure anyone on either the yes side or no side actually understands it...there not been a face to face debate by our political leaders and those who are calling for a no vote...i wana see a US presidential style debate..face to face. thrash talk n'all...if cowan and co are right, i wana see them screaming and shouting how right they are..if he's 100% correct in his belief he should be happy going live on air and engaging in a war of words..to protect his people. why has this not happened?
im voting no...why? well anything that could split/divide the country like it has cant be good. Im voting no...as a vote of no confidence in our government. they are out of touch with the people of this country..over paid out of touch.
it dosn't matter what people say about this thread whether they think my vote is right or wrong...there simply has to be change in this country. political reform,law reform and the rest....we should be on the streets protesting..we should have been on the streets ages ago.

Remember when you were in the school yard & you stood up against the Big Thugs?
Good on you, fight the good fight

ei.sdraob

rebelmind wrote: »

Remember when you were in the school yard & you stood up against the Big Thugs?
Good on you, fight the good fight

ah yes David vs Goliath

dont get all religious on us now :rolleyes:

The Volt

rebelmind wrote: »

Remember when you were in the school yard & you stood up against the Big Thugs?
Good on you, fight the good fight

Give me your lunch money.

Rb

Voltwad wrote: »

Give me your lunch money.

He doesn't have any, it's a race to the bottom remember.

rebelmind

Hey!
Why not make him an offer he can't refuse?

roosh

Nozebleed wrote: »

reading trough the many threads on the lisbon treaty..it's surprisinig how deeply divided the people of this country are in relation to the document. im not sure anyone on either the yes side or no side actually understands it...there not been a face to face debate by our political leaders and those who are calling for a no vote...i wana see a US presidential style debate..face to face. thrash talk n'all...if cowan and co are right, i wana see them screaming and shouting how right they are..if he's 100% correct in his belief he should be happy going live on air and engaging in a war of words..to protect his people. why has this not happened?
im voting no...why? well anything that could split/divide the country like it has cant be good. Im voting no...as a vote of no confidence in our government. they are out of touch with the people of this country..over paid out of touch.
it dosn't matter what people say about this thread whether they think my vote is right or wrong...there simply has to be change in this country. political reform,law reform and the rest....we should be on the streets protesting..we should have been on the streets ages ago.

That is just one of many reasons to vote no, and there are an abundance

P. Breathnach

mangaroosh wrote: »

That is just one of many reasons to vote no, and there are an abundance

How about some good ones?

Nozebleed

Nozebleed wrote: »

yep thats it lads...hurl the abuse. that'll teach me. maybe i'll change my mind now? im definately voting no now.

in a huff like a child and using zero logic in your vote. infant.

Nozebleed

is that it lads? nobody's gona try talk me round to voting yes?....so i am right about the yes side not understanding the treaty either..not knowing exactly why they are voting yes..just voting yes because it kinda makes sense. that its the right thing to do..for ireland.
there's a vote up for grabs here guys. do you want to make a difference or not?

ei.sdraob

Nozebleed wrote: »

is that it lads? nobody's gona try talk me round to voting yes?....so i am right about the yes side not understanding the treaty either..not knowing exactly why they are voting yes..just voting yes because it kinda makes sense. that its the right thing to do..for ireland.
there's a vote up for grabs here guys. do you want to make a difference or not?

why dont you read past threads?

instead of trying to raize a ruckus? im surprised this is not locked yet

Sam Vimes

mangaroosh wrote: »

That is just one of many reasons to vote no, and there are an abundance

Yes there are many reasons to vote no, not one of them with any basis in fact

Nozebleed

Nozebleed wrote: »

is that it lads? nobody's gona try talk me round to voting yes?....so i am right about the yes side not understanding the treaty either..not knowing exactly why they are voting yes..just voting yes because it kinda makes sense. that its the right thing to do..for ireland.
there's a vote up for grabs here guys. do you want to make a difference or not?

are you old enough to vote?

Sam Vimes

Nozebleed wrote: »

is that it lads? nobody's gona try talk me round to voting yes?

I tried, see my post on the first page which wasn't flippant

Nozebleed wrote: »

....so i am right about the yes side not understanding the treaty either..not knowing exactly why they are voting yes..just voting yes because it kinda makes sense. that its the right thing to do..for ireland.

what actually happened was that you suggested that it would be a good idea to vote no to spite our government and that idea was rightly ridiculed because:

• It won't get rid of the government
• The treaty has nothing to do with the government
• A no vote for that reason will be far more damaging for the country than it will any politician

Here are ten reasons to vote yes to Lisbon
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=61327732&postcount=1

Nozebleed

ahaha....i look forward to the big day....you lot are a bunch of sheep. do what you're told. just like school! the sooner you wake up the better..fools.



NO! MEANS NO!

ei.sdraob

Nozebleed wrote: »

ahaha....i look forward to the big day....you lot are a bunch of sheep. do what you're told. just like school! the sooner you wake up the better..fools.



NO! MEANS NO!

did you read the linked threads you ask for

its obvious now why you started this thread

reporting...

Rb

Oh dear. Talk about throwing one's toys out of the proverbial pram.

Sam Vimes

Nozebleed wrote: »

ahaha....i look forward to the big day....you lot are a bunch of sheep. do what you're told. just like school! the sooner you wake up the better..fools.



NO! MEANS NO!

Step 1: Ask for reasons to vote yes
Step 2: Ignore those reasons when they're given
Step 3: Insult people and give nonsense slogans

Check mate, well played sir

schween

OP get off your ass and find out yourself why you should vote yes or no. Don't expect someone else to do it for you. And grow up before you vote, please.

Sam Vimes

Sam Vimes wrote: »

Step 1: Ask for reasons to vote yes
Step 2: Ignore those reasons when they're given
Step 3: Insult people and give nonsense slogans

Check mate, well played sir

He sums up no voters to be fair.. It's good to have a chance to encounter one in the wild.

bonkey

Two warnings issued for name-calling.

Please stop.

sceptre

As I've said before, I don't see the practicality in my answering a question in the voting booth that I'm not being asked. That would be silly. I don't care what way you vote. But unless you're going to scrawl out the question being asked and write in your own question, it's going to be hard for people to realise you were actually answering a different question.

TallaghtD24

ei.sdraob wrote: »

if you want to bring down the current government (so do most of us here btw)

go hurl bricks at the Greens, they are the ones keeping FF in power

tho that has nothing to do with Lisbon, the fact that you cant see that is worrying

My father is a green party member and how dare you suggest people throw bricks at the Greens! Violence has no place in modern society. You should be ashamed of yourself. :mad:

Mrmoe

I think this is a valid reason to vote no. I believe that having the current government in place for a longer length of time would be more detrimental than voting no. I realize that the majority of our elected representatives are campaigning for a yes vote but I think it is more closely associated with the government than the main opposition parties. I have a sense that Fine Gael/Labour are almost holding back to a certain extent in order not to be tainted with the stench of failure coming from the government. Chances are that the Yes side will win, however if Brian Cowen resigned tomorrow morning and took that shower of incompetents with him it would guarantee 100% a Yes victory. I do not think any one can deny that there is a least some chance a No vote would cause the collapse of the government, the main difference being that some people will weight the chance of this happening as minuscule or high.

ei.sdraob

TallaghtD24 wrote: »

My father is a green party member and how dare you suggest people throw bricks at the Greens! Violence has no place in modern society. You should be ashamed of yourself. :mad:

wheres your sense of humor? i was paraphrasing the OP

Why dont you tell your father, to get his party to grow some balls and bring down this failure of a government

everyday that the green party continues to support FF is another nail in the coffin of that party and what remains of this country