With 5 days to go, are the Yes side confident?

thebigcheese22

Considering its T-minus 5 days until the Lisbon Treaty referendum, are Yes people reasonably confident in it passing? Judging by the Irish Times poll and the most recent one today in one of the newspapers (forget which one) is it a foregone conclusion or do we still have to keep campaigning hard right up to Friday?

Towards the middle of the campaign I sensed a bit of complacency creeping in but the last week has put that to bed and I am reasonably confident of a YES vote on Friday What say you?

Jk_Eire

Confident Yes. Cocky no.

I do think the opinion polls are reflecting how close it will be. I'd say 55% yes.

MrMatisse

i think it will be closer then the papers say.

Hopefully a NO!:D

ei.sdraob

I dont know

but i enjoy clicking Coir adverts on top knowing every time time they have to pay for it

K-9

More confident than a month ago. I think the don't knows will swing to the No side, but I don't think it will be enough.

amacachi

I'm getting the same awful feeling I got about 10 days before the last one.

Johnboy1951

amacachi wrote: »

I'm getting the same awful feeling I got about 10 days before the last one.

So am I, so hopefully it will be a similar result.

ParkRunner

8/1 on Paddy Power for a No Vote. Worth a punt

ei.sdraob

EF wrote: »

8/1 on Paddy Power for a No Vote. Worth a punt

what are the odds for a yes?

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ParkRunner

ei.sdraob wrote: »

what are the odds for a yes?

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1/25

It's a foregone conclusion it will pass from their perspective

shano1888

My lil bro works in a bookies and he just rang me to say that a fella wanted €4,800 @ 1/16 on yes.

thebigcheese22

EF wrote: »

This poll has no at 59%! They asked more people too than a Red C poll would

http://www.teameurope.info/node/603

Thats proven to be false, they didn't random sample and went to NO strongholds.

Clutching at straws springs to mind...

Rb

I'm pretty confident that it will go through this time, looking forward to it too just to see the reaction here and elsewhere from the lunatic No voters.

moondogspot

thebigcheese22 wrote: »

Considering its T-minus 5 days until the Lisbon Treaty referendum, are Yes people reasonably confident in it passing? Judging by the Irish Times poll and the most recent one today in one of the newspapers (forget which one) is it a foregone conclusion or do we still have to keep campaigning hard right up to Friday?

Towards the middle of the campaign I sensed a bit of complacency creeping in but the last week has put that to bed and I am reasonably confident of a YES vote on Friday What say you?

If you think those polls count for something then more fool you.;)

Dave!

Not confident at all...

thebigcheese22

moondogspot wrote: »

If you think those polls count for something then more fool you.;)

I'd rather believe them than those bull**** Gael Poll/Coir ones TBH

turgon

I was going to put a few euro on a No side victory a few weeks ago, but I had lost my Visa card. I'm not as put out now as I was then, although Im still not confident it will pass. The No campaign postering really had me down and out because it seemed to be very effective.

It will be a bad day for Ireland if its a No vote. The same old hacks - Coir, Libertas, Socialist Party, Eirigi, Eire go Brath - will be at the referendum result shouting and cawing about their "victory." Their victory. Not Irelands victory. The victory of a group of Catholic extremists who are willing to make up any lie as they fear their potential stranglehold on you may loosen with Lisbon. The victory of a multi-millionaire who for some reason is voting No despite that fact that 90% of Irish employers and 91% of Irish economists say Yes. A victory for similar agenda driven campaign groups.

Ask yourself - what do you have in common with these people? How is it that the future you ordain for this country is the same as extremist Left-wingers and Right-wingers whos only interest appears to be themselves? They say they are fighting for Ireland and for you but theirs is a selfish battle. Theirs is a potential selfish victory.

Rb

turgon wrote: »

I was going to put a few euro on a No side victory a few weeks ago, but I had lost my Visa card. I'm not as put out now as I was then, although Im still not confident it will pass. The No campaign postering really had me down and out because it seemed to be very effective.

It will be a bad day for Ireland if its a No vote. The same old hacks - Coir, Libertas, Socialist Party, Eirigi, Eire go Brath - will be at the referendum result shouting and cawing about their "victory." Their victory. Not Irelands victory. The victory of a group of Catholic extremists who are willing to make up any lie as they fear their potential stranglehold on you may loosen with Lisbon. The victory of a multi-millionaire who for some reason is voting No despite that fact that 90% of Irish employers and 91% of Irish economists say Yes. A victory for similar agenda driven campaign groups.

Ask yourself - what do you have in common with these people? How is it that the future you ordain for this country is the same as extremist Left-wingers and Right-wingers whos only interest appears to be themselves? They say they are fighting for Ireland and for you but theirs is a selfish battle. Theirs is a potential selfish victory.

Absolutely.

It will be a horrible day for Ireland if the vote is No. Christ, what are we going to do when the EU asks why and we can't return one geniune reason that actually has to do with the text?

We might even be forced to stick Coir & Co infront of the EU and explain themselves. That'd be reasonable actually, although it would be an embarrassment for the country and its membership.

GroundHog

Not at all confident.

Polls are one thing, people going to the booth another.

If anything all the "done deal" type coverage is going to play to the no side of the debate - that and the continuing linkage of this referendum as a general election won't reflect these polls when it comes to exit results.

To paraphrase the line from the We Belong advert with Cody

"Let's stay in the game"

K-9

Rb wrote: »

Absolutely.

It will be a horrible day for Ireland if the vote is No. Christ, what are we going to do when the EU asks why and we can't return one geniune reason that actually has to do with the text?

We might even be forced to stick Coir & Co infront of the EU and explain themselves. That'd be reasonable actually, although it would be an embarrassment for the country and its membership.

Jaysus, I remember them in front of the Oireachtas committee after the last Referendum. That was bad enough. They just did their usual shouting at people. They don't really stand for anything.

Ganley, Mary Lou and Gerry in front of the cameras getting all the limelight and credit.

SF drew up a back of the envelope list of concerns to be changed and Libertas was supposed to do that on their site. Still waiting.

The problem is, I don't think any of the main No campaign groups represented the majority of No voters the last time.

Count Dooku

thebigcheese22 wrote: »

I'd rather believe them than those bull**** Gael Poll/Coir ones TBH

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yhN1IDLQjo

Count Dooku

turgon wrote: »

I was going to put a few euro on a No side victory a few weeks ago, but I had lost my Visa card. I'm not as put out now as I was then, although Im still not confident it will pass. The No campaign postering really had me down and out because it seemed to be very effective.

It will be a bad day for Ireland if its a No vote. The same old hacks - Coir, Libertas, Socialist Party, Eirigi, Eire go Brath - will be at the referendum result shouting and cawing about their "victory." Their victory. Not Irelands victory. The victory of a group of Catholic extremists who are willing to make up any lie as they fear their potential stranglehold on you may loosen with Lisbon. The victory of a multi-millionaire who for some reason is voting No despite that fact that 90% of Irish employers and 91% of Irish economists say Yes. A victory for similar agenda driven campaign groups.

Ask yourself - what do you have in common with these people? How is it that the future you ordain for this country is the same as extremist Left-wingers and Right-wingers whos only interest appears to be themselves? They say they are fighting for Ireland and for you but theirs is a selfish battle. Theirs is a potential selfish victory.

If Lisbon pass, only corrupted political establishment will win.
There is no difference between Labour, Fianna Fail and Fine Gael now.
They want to keep their nice paid jobs in Leinster House. Nothing else.
If Ireland will say NO, they will take hit. Nobody will respect them in Europe.
Everybody will ask them - do they represent somebody else or they represent just their backbenchers?
NO Supporters are not best people in the world, but they are idealists. They have ideals. Political establishment doesn’t have any ideals, only deep pockets.

turgon

It would take a proponent of the No side to say that vpoting Yes to Lisbon means TD's get to keep their jobs. Really Count D, what are you on about?

MyPeopleDrankTheSoup

Not confident after last night. I was in pubs in ennis, chatting to boggers with their smug faces giving me reasons to vote No that they all got off the posters around town.

'Did you know our voting rights will be 0.8%, Germany's will be 12.3%, do you want to be controlled by Germany do ya?'

'What's to stop Germany with higher voting power to force us to raise our tax rate?'

'We'll be drafted into a EU army, fcuk that'

And so on. I just kept my mouth shut mostly, no talking to these fools. The NO side posters are genius, just planting doubts everywhere, they really work.

Going to put a few bob on a No result with PaddyPower now.

Martin 2

thebigcheese22 wrote: »

Considering its T-minus 5 days until the Lisbon Treaty referendum, are Yes people reasonably confident in it passing? Judging by the Irish Times poll and the most recent one today in one of the newspapers (forget which one) is it a foregone conclusion or do we still have to keep campaigning hard right up to Friday?

Towards the middle of the campaign I sensed a bit of complacency creeping in but the last week has put that to bed and I am reasonably confident of a YES vote on Friday What say you?

Not taking anything for granted, 5 days to go and 19% DK’s according to the polls so most of the campaign groups (incl' ours) will be canvassing right up to the end.

Kalashnikov_Kid

Last time, a week before the election Paddy Power had yes at 1/3...

heyjude

I hope they are really really really confident, believe what they deem 'credible' opinion polls, bookmakers odds and party straw polls.

Toiletroll

ei.sdraob wrote: »

I dont know

but i enjoy clicking Coir adverts on top knowing every time time they have to pay for it

You are wasting time you silly eejit. Google only charges once per IP address... LOL

tonycascarino

I wouldn't be too confident if I was on the Yes side. Here are 2 articles from 28/09/09 in the Irish Times well worth a look :

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0928/1224255367811.html

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0928/1224255368185.html

nesf

Rb wrote: »

I'm pretty confident that it will go through this time, looking forward to it too just to see the reaction here and elsewhere from the lunatic No voters.

You bunch of culture swapping sodomites?

marco_polo

tonycascarino wrote: »

I wouldn't be too confident if I was on the Yes side. Here are 2 of 28/09/09 articles in the Irish Times well worth a look :

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0928/1224255367811.html

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0928/1224255368185.html

Some more corkers in there.

“I didn’t vote last year but I will vote No on Friday. I don’t know much about the treaty but my mother voted No last year and she told me I should vote No."

"“I voted No last year and I’ll be voting No again this week. I have a lot of worries about how the Lisbon Treaty is going to affect our tax rates and the minimum wage – it’s bad enough as it is."

“The way I see it the bureaucrats over there are just making jobs for themselves. They’re all in collusion with each other like the Government here. I think the No vote will carry again this time but it won’t be as big as last year.”

Pull_a_tition

Count Dooku wrote: »

If Lisbon pass, only corrupted political establishment will win.
There is no difference between Labour, Fianna Fail and Fine Gael now.
They want to keep their nice paid jobs in Leinster House. Nothing else.
If Ireland will say NO, they will take hit. Nobody will respect them in Europe.
Everybody will ask them - do they represent somebody else or they represent just their backbenchers?
NO Supporters are not best people in the world, but they are idealists. They have ideals. Political establishment doesn’t have any ideals, only deep pockets.

You can voat out the FF/FG/Lab in the next General Election.

This election is about wither IRL stays with GR/FR/IT/UK/SP/PL....

Rb

nesf wrote: »

You bunch of culture swapping sodomites?

Hah, yes, that kind of thing It could be the most entertaining evening of the year, but of course it would be important to contain their ramblings to the Irish public and not let Europe know we're housing such lunacy.

The Volt

Oh my..

PAT LYONS (67)
Taxi driver

“I’ll be voting No because I think the Government is selling us out all the time in the EU. I have voted No in all previous EU referendums but I’m not against the EU per se.

“The way I see it the bureaucrats over there are just making jobs for themselves. They’re all in collusion with each other like the Government here. I think the No vote will carry again this time but it won’t be as big as last year.”

moondogspot

Pull_a_tition wrote: »

You can voat out the FF/FG/Lab in the next General Election.

This election is about wither IRL stays with GR/FR/IT/UK/SP/PL....

I can see why some will use their vote as a vote against the government. Why would they wait

until 2012? By then Fianna Fáil will have completely destroyed the country as if they haven't

done enough already. However, there is no guarantee that Fianna Fáil would call a general

election if Lisbon failed but their position would almost be untenable. By the way if Britain got

their way they would probably leave the EU.

The Volt

moondogspot wrote: »

I can see why some will use their vote as a vote against the government. Why would they wait

until 2012? By then Fianna Fáil will have completely destroyed the country as if they haven't

done enough already. However, there is no guarantee that Fianna Fáil would call a general

election if Lisbon failed but their position would almost be untenable. By the way if Britain got

their way they would probably leave the EU.

I said this in another thread:

Basically voting no just to piss off the Government is almost like saying okay mister, you're after punching me so the best way to get you back is to punch myself in the face.

Agent Smith

thebigcheese22 wrote: »

Judging by the Irish Times poll and the most recent one today in one of the newspapers (forget which one) is it a foregone conclusion or do we still have to keep campaigning hard right up to Friday?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGscoaUWW2M

I'll be out untill the bitter end.